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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Nokia's Elop: Android is killing us in China, Europe

By | May 31, 2011, 12:38pm PDT

Summary: Nokia’s biggest profit margin killing headaches appear to be Android, China and Europe and the company is getting hit by smartphone and feature phone pricing and volume.

Nokia’s biggest profit margin killing headaches appear to be Android, China and Europe and the company doesn’t have any answers.

Speaking on a conference call, Nokia CEO Stephen Elop said that the company was getting whacked in China due to “mismanagement” and high inventory levels. Simply put, Nokia can’t move phones in China. The story in Europe didn’t revolve around mismanagement as much as competition from Android. In either case, Nokia is taking some major body blows and can’t even provide an outlook for 2011.

Regarding China, Elop said:

As it relates to competitive challenges, it is the case that certain competitive forces, particularly Android, are really gaining momentum in certain regions. For example in China, there’s an indication of some very substantial movement in the growth of market share for Android, particularly in some technology areas where Nokia today with our current portfolio doesn’t compete.

A good example of this is the CDMA technology in China, where that technology has seen quite an increase in market share in China. And as you know, we don’t currently have CDMA products, but clearly, that’s something that we’d be considering in the future. So there’s some dynamics like that that we have to deal with.

And in Europe, Android was also routing Nokia. Elop noted:

In Europe, that’s not the case on the management perspective. It’s very much about competitive pressures. We’re seeing, for example, a large volume of Android devices really coming into the market. They’re largely undifferentiated from one another, which is putting pricing pressure thereupon, which in turn affects the overall ranging decisions of the operators; so there’s definitely pricing pressure going on.

Meanwhile, the problems in China revolve around smartphones primarily. However, Nokia is getting whacked on feature phones too. Elop said:

Overall, it is worth noting that the impact here is both smartphone and feature phone. So this is — even though a lot of the news has been about Symbian and so forth, we face very specific competitive pressures on the feature phone side as well, and face some of the same portfolio challenges here.

Now that being said, on the feature phone side we are just in the last couple of days beginning to ship in our dual-SIM products into emerging markets, which we have great hopes for. So there’s a lot of positive things happening there, but there’s definitely a situation here where it’s not only the Symbian range of devices but also feature phone devices that are under competitive pressure.

Given those problems, Nokia has a rough road ahead before it gets to Windows Phone 7 devices. The big question is where Nokia’s market share will sit once the Android onslaught subsides.

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RE: Nokia's Elop: Android is killing us in China, Europe
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OK
Hasam1991 31st May
So you know this and you selected Ballmer and WP7 as your savior... wtf were you thinking??
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The asnwer: $
DeRSSS 31st May
@Hasam1991

Talking seriously, there are lots of cheapo Android phones in Asia, and this is how Google gets 400 000 activations per day number. Galaxy S, HTC Evo, etc is only part of these activations.

These Asian featurephones have resolutions like 400x240 or 320x240 and no access to Android Market, but they still make the volume on cheap segment, which is Nokia's main playground.
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Resolutions and ...
Economister 31st May
@denisrs

app market access will change/improve over time. This is precisely why Android may be unstoppable, unless Google REALLY screws it up. Asia will be flooded with cheap Android phones, which will slowly get better. Local app markets will appear. Volumes will go sky high and the manufacturing costs will drop fast.

Even Apple is not safe long term.
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@denisrs Your guess is incorrect. Google only counts activations of devices with a license to use Google services. That does not include all the cheap Asian devices.

So the overall numbers of Android activations are larger than what Google reports. And yes, that means mostly higher end devices are in the reported count.
@denisrs How do you figure? Where is the data to back up these cheapo handset claims? In the USA the majority of handsets chosen are EVO, Galaxy, Droid X, Thunderbolt and the like!

This just pisses you off because you need to justify backing the iPhone.
@denisrs I can't remember the name of the site now but they seem to do a lot of anti-Android analysis work and they were the ones that started spreading this. Well don't fall for it. As others have pointed out Google only counts phones that are actually licensed to use Google services.

The cheapo argument is really just a big sham over all. All these so called cheapo phones don't usually have Android 2.1 or 2.2 or get updated so there wouldn't be something like 80 - 90% phones on 2.1 or 2.2 but thats exactly what the OS distribution chart shows for devs. Also ask any dev. They'll tell you most of the phones they see accessing their apps are Evo's, Incredibles, Droids etc. Its not all the little cheap phones. As much as some want to believe cheap phones are what give Android its bulk you'll find most people are buying high end phones when they DROP.....BEFORE the discounts.
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SoYouSaid Updated - 1st Jun
@Hasam1991 Yes teaming up with the world's largest OS developer. What was the alternative - becoming another "me too" Android hardware provider with no control? Meego?
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So are you suggesting they ....
Economister 31st May
@jgm@...

have control with MS and WP7?

Besides, being out of options and being forced to "marry" MS can hardly be called a good option.
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@jgm...

Excepting the matter of a few hundred millions in licensing fees, Mr. Elop's choice was simple.:

1. Bring to bear Nokia's considerable acumen in technical innovation and carrier relations to produce desirable, differentiated handsets running the most popular mobile OS.

...or...

2. Bring to bear Nokia's considerable acumen in technical innovation and carrier relations to produce desirable, differentiated handsets running a mobile OS practically nobody wants.

Like I said, it was simple...and he blew it.

Why? Because he bent over backward, catering to his European supporters...mobile network operators plus their friends (read: EuroZone politicians) and investors. The carriers were already fearful of Apple's growing power in their industry and Android's remarkable rise gave them even more reason for concern that both they (the carriers) and Europe in general would cede control to American interests.
I've been a nokia user all my life (basic phone only devices), but the new android devices may bring a change. Samsung galaxy mini may be my next phone. You've made your bed, now sleep in it!
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What is this guy smoking? All he seems to have right now is a wish and a prayer. Why would anyone buy a dead end dual SIM phone unless it is almost free?
@Economister : what do you mean dead-end? Nokia's feature phones(s40/s30) are not going away anywhere. And thier build quality is the, Toyota like, benchmark for phones in that segment.
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@marees

And who cares about "Toyota like" quality for a disposable item?
@marees
Toyotas are trash, remember the recalls? I'd never touch one.
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Hey, Wild Bill, wait for me!
Robert Hahn 31st May
The big question is where Nokia?s market share will sit once the Android onslaught subsides.
What reason is there to believe that the "Android onslaught" will ever subside? Does Elop expect his competitors to stop and wait for him to catch up?
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@Robert Hahn

that the onslaught will end once Android has captured virtually the entire market, with Apple taking the rest. I guess we can try to calculate what Nokia's market share would be at that point. wink
@Economister I would say 93% would be reasonable.
@Peter perry

Probably closer to 80%. Apple still makes a very nice device.
@Robert Hahn It isn't going to subside and before too long it will have the tablet space too!

Google wanted to be Microsoft and within the Mobile / Tablet Space, they just might succeed!
@Peter Perry And a few years ago you would have said the iPhone onslaught wasn't going to subside and it was going to own the cell phone market! (Denisrs would still say that.) This is still a market in flux and to claim that Google will capture the entire cell phone market is remarkably premature.
@jgm@... Thats true. Many thought Apple was going to run away with the market. However I don't think the iPhone ever had the growth rate of Android. The iPhone still hasn't topped BlackBerry has it? I've forgotten now. Meanwhile Android has topped all other platforms coming from behind. I'd say at this point everybody else should be worried. Google isn't even trying. Remember they just wanted a seat at the table to keep everybody fair. I think Apple and MS will force Google to go for it all if they threaten to take them out of the loop on services.
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Don't burn your bridges...
guihombre 31st May
... till you've CROSSED the damn bridge!
Nokia needs a killer product fast.

For too long it has focused upon the mid/low ends of the market.

Apple lead the way with products that went beyond a mere phone and Nokia allowed Android to follow.

Nokia's brand is now too cheap.

Nokia needs to fight for the top end.

After the N95/N96 Nokia lost its WOW factor.

First Japan then North America and now Europe. These are markets that Nokia handed over to the competition.

Too much R&D went in developing too many low cost models.

As Apple have shown a few show stopping products are more profitable than many low margin ones.

WP7 will not save them as these are just more mid/low tier devices sold at low margins.

Until people, in large numbers, pick-up their phone and say ?Wow Look At My New Nokia? they are sunk . . .

Their current top models are not suited to today's western markets. Good feature phones (N8, E6) but poor smart phones.

They forgot the BMW segment of the market who use luxury brands as an extension of themselves.

My message to Nokia ?STOP PLAYING SAFE? and start being aggressive. Brand chasers don't care if the battery last a month if it doesn't make them look COOL.

People like leading edge technology (that sometimes breaks down). That's why we moved from the horse to the petrol driven motor car.

So NOKIA stop thinking ?horse and cart? and start thinking ?ROCKET SCIENCE? . .
If Nokia can just hang in there until they get their WP7 phones ready then they should be all set. There won't be any more killings, but more of a company being reborn.
@LoverockDavidson Thats a pipe dream. Theres nothing about Nokia thats going to save WP7 any more than any of the other OEMs have and vice versa. What MS has got to do is come to grips with the fact that they've made a VERY sleek UI thats just not very useful for a phone when phones are expected to be mobile computing devices thanks to Android.

Talk as folk may about so called simplicity or clean UI over being packed with features and functions but the people are speaking every day 400,000 at a time. People want features and customization and they don't need a kindergarten interface to be able to use their device.
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Elop's history of failure
YuYo0 31st May
"mismanagement" is the problem, but the top guy (Elop) is the one responsible. To be losing in Europe is a huge warning sign, because Nokia is a badge of pride in Europe. They are kind of like what American cars are to Americans.

Nokia is burning money and has no competitive products. They killed symbian(their real source of income), They made a deal with microsoft that is taking far too long to implement, and they strangled their die-hard fanbase of Meego fanatics by not releasing a product.
There is still hope for nokia. Wp7 may only be a niche device, but they should still sell a large number of them with their brand equity.


The bet I would have taken were I in the nokia shoes would have been to skin android in such a way to keep my brand equity and run android apps. They let hubris get in the way.
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Does anyone know? It seems like Nokia is in a double bind - even after their WP7 products ship, they'll either still be competing with Samsung etc., or the other vendors will have dropped product plans, ceded the space, and they'll lose the indirect marketing benefit of having multiple companies talking up WP7 -- instead those vendors will be focusing even more of their marketing $$ on their Android product lines.

Nokia has bet so so much on the value of an "exclusivity" agreement with MS ... no matter how you paint the numbers, they HAVE to end up with not just majority, but vast majority share of WP7 devices, or they are a small, niche player. Even if WP7 ends up with 40% marketshare (which is generous), they need > 50% of that to be anywhere near the level of dominance they once held. And let's be honest - just how much differentiation is possible via this "exclusivity" deal?

The whole thing just seems like an irresponsible use of shareholder resources. Hubris, like hoaxoner said. They could have so easily diversified into both Android and WP7, with so much less risk.
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