Nokia's Elop: Android is killing us in China, Europe
Summary: Nokia's biggest profit margin killing headaches appear to be Android, China and Europe and the company is getting hit by smartphone and feature phone pricing and volume.
Nokia's biggest profit margin killing headaches appear to be Android, China and Europe and the company doesn't have any answers.
Speaking on a conference call, Nokia CEO Stephen Elop said that the company was getting whacked in China due to "mismanagement" and high inventory levels. Simply put, Nokia can't move phones in China. The story in Europe didn't revolve around mismanagement as much as competition from Android. In either case, Nokia is taking some major body blows and can't even provide an outlook for 2011.
Regarding China, Elop said:
As it relates to competitive challenges, it is the case that certain competitive forces, particularly Android, are really gaining momentum in certain regions. For example in China, there's an indication of some very substantial movement in the growth of market share for Android, particularly in some technology areas where Nokia today with our current portfolio doesn't compete.
A good example of this is the CDMA technology in China, where that technology has seen quite an increase in market share in China. And as you know, we don't currently have CDMA products, but clearly, that's something that we'd be considering in the future. So there's some dynamics like that that we have to deal with.
And in Europe, Android was also routing Nokia. Elop noted:
In Europe, that's not the case on the management perspective. It's very much about competitive pressures. We're seeing, for example, a large volume of Android devices really coming into the market. They're largely undifferentiated from one another, which is putting pricing pressure thereupon, which in turn affects the overall ranging decisions of the operators; so there's definitely pricing pressure going on.
Meanwhile, the problems in China revolve around smartphones primarily. However, Nokia is getting whacked on feature phones too. Elop said:
Overall, it is worth noting that the impact here is both smartphone and feature phone. So this is -- even though a lot of the news has been about Symbian and so forth, we face very specific competitive pressures on the feature phone side as well, and face some of the same portfolio challenges here.
Now that being said, on the feature phone side we are just in the last couple of days beginning to ship in our dual-SIM products into emerging markets, which we have great hopes for. So there's a lot of positive things happening there, but there's definitely a situation here where it's not only the Symbian range of devices but also feature phone devices that are under competitive pressure.
Given those problems, Nokia has a rough road ahead before it gets to Windows Phone 7 devices. The big question is where Nokia's market share will sit once the Android onslaught subsides.
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The asnwer: $
Talking seriously, there are lots of cheapo Android phones in Asia, and this is how Google gets 400 000 activations per day number. Galaxy S, HTC Evo, etc is only part of these activations.
These Asian featurephones have resolutions like 400x240 or 320x240 and no access to Android Market, but they still make the volume on cheap segment, which is Nokia's main playground.
Resolutions and ...
app market access will change/improve over time. This is precisely why Android may be unstoppable, unless Google REALLY screws it up. Asia will be flooded with cheap Android phones, which will slowly get better. Local app markets will appear. Volumes will go sky high and the manufacturing costs will drop fast.
Even Apple is not safe long term.
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RE: Nokia's Elop: Android is killing us in China, Europe
This just pisses you off because you need to justify backing the iPhone.
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The cheapo argument is really just a big sham over all. All these so called cheapo phones don't usually have Android 2.1 or 2.2 or get updated so there wouldn't be something like 80 - 90% phones on 2.1 or 2.2 but thats exactly what the OS distribution chart shows for devs. Also ask any dev. They'll tell you most of the phones they see accessing their apps are Evo's, Incredibles, Droids etc. Its not all the little cheap phones. As much as some want to believe cheap phones are what give Android its bulk you'll find most people are buying high end phones when they DROP.....BEFORE the discounts.
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RE: Nokia's Elop: Android is killing us in China, Europe
So are you suggesting they ....
have control with MS and WP7?
Besides, being out of options and being forced to "marry" MS can hardly be called a good option.
When you get right down to it, Elop had just two choices...
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"great hopes" = "positive things happening"
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They are Symbian phones are they not?
And who cares about "Toyota like" quality for a disposable item?
RE: Nokia's Elop: Android is killing us in China, Europe
Toyotas are trash, remember the recalls? I'd never touch one.
Hey, Wild Bill, wait for me!
What reason is there to believe that the "Android onslaught" will <i>ever</i> subside? Does Elop expect his competitors to stop and wait for him to catch up?
I guess you could interpret that to mean....
that the onslaught will end once Android has captured virtually the entire market, with Apple taking the rest. I guess we can try to calculate what Nokia's market share would be at that point. ;-)
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Probably closer to 80%. Apple still makes a very nice device.
RE: Nokia's Elop: Android is killing us in China, Europe
Google wanted to be Microsoft and within the Mobile / Tablet Space, they just might succeed!