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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Now Wave is dead, here are 10 more projects Google should kill

By | August 5, 2010, 2:30am PDT

Summary: Props to Google for ditching efforts that fall flat. But since we’re housecleaning at Google, here are a few more projects that should be put out of their misery.

Google has killed off Wave despite initial buzz that the experiment was going to change communication. The problem: Wave just didn’t garner much of a following.

Props to Google for ditching efforts that fall flat (Techmeme). But since we’re housecleaning at Google, here are a few more projects that should be put out of their misery.

  • Buzz: Annoying and just not quite right. Like Wave, it had some early juice and then just sort of fell flat.
  • Orkut: AOL had Bebo. Google has Orkut. Perhaps, there’s a following here, but at the risk of sounding downright anti-social I’d nuke Orkut too.
  • Friend Connect: Build a real social network or go home. Google is still trying.
  • Google Desktop: Can be handy, but mostly it’s a resource hog.
  • Google Base: You’d be surprised to hear that’s still around (and in beta of course).
  • Google Checkout: Is Checkout a mere distraction? It’s a valid question considering there are other dominant payment forces out there like PayPal. Update: A few folks pointed out that Checkout is important to Google’s mobile ambitions. Knol got a write-in vote to replace Checkout on the kill list.
  • Google Toolbar: Why? Toolbars suck—all of them.
  • Google Latitude: A few folks seem to like it, but the product inflates the search giant’s creepiness factor.
  • Google Pack: If we want a Google app we’ll download them individually.
  • Photo Screensaver: This screensaver is part of Google Pack, but can be downright annoying.

Honorable mention: Picasa. Jason Hiner suggested this one and Sam Diaz and I shouted him down. Who’s right?

Related: Google kills Wave and chance to reinvent online communications

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RE: Now Wave is dead, here are 10 more projects Google should kill
tomlin21-24319035676893835085146735905770 11th Oct
Odd but only 50% the short mulberry bag sale article is opening up for me. Is that this the world wide web web site or my on-line browser. Will should I restart my internet browser?
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WAW.
fwed 5th Aug 2010
Never read such a bad article on ZDNet. No justifications through affirmations. Next time please just save us from your poor subjectivity about Google services.
@fwed

Lighten up already, a straight kick in the butt is almost always a good idea. If I were Google I'd say thank you and address the mentioned projects as critical as possible.
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DONT READ BLOGSITES
its that easy
@fwed - Generally agree...

Google Base is useful for those wanting to index their products to Google's shopping search. Why remove it unless there's something better?
@fwed I agree. Never read a bad article on ZDNet
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Larry is usually on the mark! But... way off here!
i2fun@... Updated - 5th Aug 2010
@fwed Someone with brains speaks up. Thanks!
1. No one is forced to use any of these products. I have many friends using Orkut in South America. It's one of Google's longest running betas. Longer than gmail! ......and it just plain WORKS! So strike that argument in 5 milliseconds or less Larry, because half the World uses it! lol... (maybe not in your World of MSN Messenger)

2. Every Photo Screen Saver can be downright annoying (including M$'s) and it really makes no sense to run a heavy duty process when you're not using your computer. But you have a choice as with all of these on Larry's/your asinine list. Unless..... you're into that sort of thing or YOU do what I do which I pipe my Desktop to my 65" HDTV with monitor off. Then when commercials come up (up to 6 in row these days) I simply click on a remote button that switches my Screen feed to my PC Screensaver slide show w/ music no less (putting the cable feed in a PIP in a tiny box). No harm no foul. With Google Screen Saver (choice is #1) so you can even stream web feeds off your Picasa account (that's IF you're not as close minded as YOU/Larry). You can actually stream most anything, including FLASH content....haha. I have a Box.net account and store FLASH videos and music there. They can also be streamed into a Google Screensaver App! Larry, better hunt for better reasons to hate Google and Adobe!!!

3. I just love BUZZ and it's getting better all the time. Google just got some new acquisitions that are going to make BUZZ even BETTER than FACEBOOK! (remember you fools here too, you do have a choice. If you actually have a gmail account and use it. Which Larry doesn't). So come on Larry just admit YOU HATE GOOGLE, BECAUSE YOU LOVE Microsoft and Facebook soooooo..... VERY MUCH! (yes we all know M$ and Facebook have a Strategic Alliance)
http://www.facebook.com/press/releases.php?p=8084

4. You must run a dinosaur of a computer without Microsoft's (errr... Google's) Sidebar running in Windows 7! lol.... I'll keep my widgets and sidebars in both Windows 7 and Linux, thank you! For YOU..... hey buddy you've always got a choice to live in poverty on your wank powered PC... Larry!

5. Check Out.. huh? How dare you threaten one of my favorite new features. That will never happen FOOL! ...it's how they pay me into my separate bank account deposit on my YouTube AdSense and how we who are not all wigged out and freaky pay for many things on the web now just as securely as PayPal. Including extra Google Voice features. YOU NEED To SERIOUSLY GET A FREAKING LIFE ASIDE FROM HATING ON GOOGLE..... LARRY! ....AND I'M SERIOUS HERE. This is all just so much, just a ridiculous Google HATE Story. GROW UP!

btw... I could go on, but why waste my time. I respect most of what you post... Larry, but your Google and Adobe HATE are just plain Asinine and pathetic!!!
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Just as secure as PayPal
Bruizer 5th Aug 2010
@i2fun@...

Now that was funny.
@i2fun@...
Lol! That was funny, especially towards the end where you whinge like a 5-year old not getting his way:
"YOU NEED To SERIOUSLY GET A FREAKING LIFE ASIDE FROM HATING ON GOOGLE..... LARRY! ....AND I'M SERIOUS HERE. This is all just so much, just a ridiculous Google HATE Story. GROW UP!"
Waaaa!! Hehe!
Sure, the story is silly filler, that is pretty much what I expect from these blogs. They have so much space to fill on a deadline.
And the concept of a wank-powered PC is interesting, I expect your average teen boy could power the whole house that way.
But seriously, how old are you?
@msandersen Yeah I know you and your two stooge brothers, that's how old I am. You guys were funny losers back in the day. haha.... Now you're all just LOSERS! grin

Come on loser throw some more ignorance & hate my way, I love it. But we know who YOU really love..... lol You're the CrAppleTastic Stevie (Jobs) Wonder Shoe Shine Boy!

btw if any of you idiots actually use your Credit Cards on line.... do I have a Magical Special Deal for YOU. Seriously though.... I've not lost a penny using Google Check Out since it came out buying/spending $$$1000's$$$ (YouTube Adsense Income haha) of things from sites such as Buy.com, TigerDirect.com, etc and I've saved a ton w/discounts, at that. While you morons pay full price and go around handing your credit info to 50 sites and trust them all. How foolish is that? haha..... and YOU msandersen actually Trust CrApple iTunes and Safari Browser (Apple PDF Reader lol) with any information about YOU?.... A Complete FOOL! wink

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/07/06/apple-addresses-another-problem-provides-unrelated-fix/
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@i2fun@...
Google fanboys are so silly. Give them all your info. Bank account, Buying habits, Buzz them your every move for tracking... The same company that can't keep spyware out of 50% of the search results, (what the company is best known for), you'd let them run your life?
Most of what they offer is duplicated/redundant on everyone's system so there isn't even a need for argument.
You must like going to Super Wal-Mart as well. It is all that 1-stop shopping. Milk, Chips, bag of tube socks, get the oil changed in the Tercel, and get new eye glasses VS Online Shopping, Buzz about what you did after lunch, listen to NPR podcast, Watch a 47" picture of monkeys at the zoo scrolling by on the TV, and reading a Google hating blog all from your recliner.... hmmm... that does sound nice.
@dbisse@...
I'm no die hard Google fan, but they do just as well at keeping spyware out of their search results as anybody else, and better than most. Of course, search is the only thing I use Google for.
@fwed I agree with author Google has too many incomplete projects. The only successful product is search and Google ads everything else is just fueling them or not popular. And I must say that google is already in danger, its search results are already disappointing, it takes me a lot of time to find what I am looking for. Rich Content web sites are not search-able at all, so I don;t use google for a number of purposes anymore. Search spam floods search results.
Being web site developer I don;t see any value in maintaining my web sites structure convenient for indexing by Google, I already don;t see any value in being index-able at all. I'll better build 100% Flash or SilverLight web site and use regular means of marketing, instead of wasting my time on compliance to Google requirements. HTML is obsolete technology, and Google would obsolete pretty soon as well. They would end up as a school library search engine...
Eh, gotta have a "light" opinion article every once in a while... cant all be in-depth stuff... and Picasa's good, I say keep it.
@Wodenhelm I agree, PICASA IS FANTASTIC.
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jivester 5th Aug 2010
Picasa, latitude, checkout rock. Personally, I love having all my photos accessible from any desktop. I dont use latitude with a lot if people, but my family is an Android family and when we are traveling it is nice to check in with eachother. For example, my wife found me a hotel from home while I was driving using latitude. And being able to buy stuff easily just using my google id its incredibly easy.
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information
banned from zdnet 5th Aug 2010
@jivester
and you probably also love google collecting all that sensible personal information about you and your family to sell it to the highest bider? the transparent android family: google's wet dream.
@banned from zdnet
I got no problem with it. Should I?
@banned from zdnet

Who cares? They use that data to make my life better. Not as if any of the data they gather is very sensitive. For that matter I can't think of any data so sensitive that I'd really care about them gathering.

I guess so long as they aren't selling my passwords and credit card numbers I don't care.
@jivester

"My family is an Android family," just struck me as funny when I read it. Is that like in "The Stepford Wives"?
Picasa and Buzz are keep'rs... I agree with the rest...
@ocmokumr Buzz is a privacy joke.
orkut is having large number of users in indian sub continent and brazil than facebook. So killing orkut is not a wise idea if you consider these market.
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Picassa is HOT!
tonyhunterajh 5th Aug 2010
Period!
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Picasa should just be a website...
nix_hed 5th Aug 2010
and Google should spin the client off for external development.
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Disagree re Picasa, Latitude, Desktop, Orkut
Daniel Breslauer 5th Aug 2010
I don't use Picasa myself, but it does have a real value.

And Latitude I do use quite a lot - from my Nokia E72 (that's E73 Mode in the US) and my wife's Samsung i7500 Galaxy.

As for Desktop, I don't use it, but I know many people who do use it at work.

Orkut is quite popular in many areas of the world.

Toolbars - agreed, kill it, kill them all, make it fast and painless.
Kill orkut? Hahahaha, you have no idea how big it is in Brazil, do you?

Maybe you guys should start the trend by killing the register obligation to comment on this site.
@stebidri
There'd be 10x the number of spammers without the requirement. Keep it. If anything kill the "page loading" ads instead.
@jlongino@...
Then we'd have to pay for access to ZDNet.
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Larry,
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 5th Aug 2010
Competition is a good thing. Your basically saying that no one else should try to enter a market because, there may be a good product out there. Like your Google Pay and Pay Pal example.
@JM1981
I totally agree, can't see why the writer wants ebay/Paypal to have a monopoly. My opinion of ZDnet just dropped a few points.
It's a real shame. The real-time multi-user apps supported by wave have a great future. We have a Google Wave travel-planner called "Travel WithMe", and people love the real-time experience.

Sensing that wave might not be going places, we've put it on facebook now as well, but still with Google Wave's realtime features. It's at apps.facebook.com/travel-withme.
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... MS, yet no one makes a big commotion when this happens. Google cancelled its Nexus One smartphone, and hardly anyone said anything. MS cancelled the Kin, and the practically the whole blogosphere warned of MS' demise in the smartphone market. Google is still a one trick pony with a long string of product failures. (God forbid MS should have 1/5 th the product failures of Google. Apple fanbois, and the whole cadre of MS haters would start a new round of demands for Ballmer's resignation.) My point is that many companies (including Intel, HP, and Dell) in the computer industry, introduce products in the market over time that bomb. This is not unusual.
@P. Douglas
But the only way to find out what works is to introduce many new products, many of which will fail, but at least they try. And pretty successfully for the most part. We could start discussing the MS lame attempts at doing anything without security issues, but that would be another book... ;-\
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@mounces

Not Apple, not Google, not Mozilla, not Facebook......

It is in the nature of the digital world.
@Lester Young Don't you know that MSFT is uniquely horrible in security?
Orkut is BIG in Brazil, India and many other countries, bigger than Facebook.

Google should take it out of Beta, and improve it, like removing the bugs. IT has too many bugs, and for a product from the search giant, the search in Orkut is pathetic.
@rdsm - maybe we should kill Facebook happy That would save about a kazillion people hours and hours every day!!
Buzz absolutely sucks, and I hate that it takes up space in my email application! As for the rest, you are mostly spot on! I LOVE Picasa; it's the best photo app, easy and total! As for tool bars.... KILL THEM ALL!!
@mounces
If you don't like Buzz, just turn it off in your settings (I did). I DEFINITELY agree about Picasa. I am a Photoshop user for web and illustration work, but for family photos nothing I've used beats Picasa. Its pared-down editing interface makes for quick photo touch-ups, and I'm amazed at how good (and automatic) the red-eye removal tool is.
Viva Picasa!!!
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GOOGLE APPS WORLDWIDE...
mounces 5th Aug 2010
Apparently there are other parts of the world that use technology. We frequently forget that! Keep the apps that you use, don't use the ones you hate. Pretty simple.
Love picasa, never heard of latitude until your article. Couldn't get an invite to Wave, but we really wanted to try it in my company.
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US is not world
p.vinnie@... 5th Aug 2010
Most of suggestions are based on local US based situation. You have no idea how popular Orkut is outside US.

Same goes with iPhone; it may be number one in US but Nokia is number one worldwide, it sells more phones worldwide than all other competitors combined. Very few people care about iphone outside US.
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Orkut outside the US.
Palmetto_CharlieSpencer Updated - 5th Aug 2010
How about, instead of killing it, turn it over to its user community and let them support it?

And yes, all toolbars suck. All third-party desktop search engines suck too. Replace Picasa with Google Earth; now there's a time waster.
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Kill Google Base?
Li1t 5th Aug 2010
I both use Google Base (now known as product Search) on a regular basis and work as a developer on a number of e-commerce sites that list their products on Google Product Search. The number of sales referenced from Google Product Search is surely an indicator that it's a worthwhile venture for businesses to list their products on. I've probably saved a fair bit of money and, more importantly, saved myself time by using it.

By all means, ditch Buzz. Wave had positive publicity and failed miserably. I've only ever known Buzz to have bad publicity.
@Li1t Thank you! I develop websites for several people, and we use Base to insert their products into the Google Product Search database! How are we supposed to do that without Base??? Also the Google Toolbar has the handy feature of showing PageRank, also a handy feature if you're a web developer. There are a few of us out there you know. Typical closed-minded ZDNET drivel..."I don't use it, it must be junk!"
Google's latest flop, "Wave", is particularly embarrassing when the launch was so over-hyped, and so soon after the launch.

http://twitter.com/timacheson/status/20386969587
wouldn't want to be without it. But the other projects listed in the article don't seem quite as essential (with the exception of Orkut, which as others have here pointed out, is very big in such places as Brazil and India - the article authors seem to suffer from an embarrassing case of provinciality) ; I use Buzz, but more as an afterthought and could very well do without it. What is important is that Google make use, as they say they will, of the technological expertise gained in these experiments and that they continue to be willing both to engage in them and to kill them off in the event they don't work out. As for the firm being a one-trick pony, perhaps certain posters to this forum would be advised to do their homework before posting. But that would require a certain effort, would it not ?...

Henri
Picasa? Are you just typing words on the page to fill in empty space?
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RE: Now Wave is dead, here are 10 more projects Google should kill
tomlin21-24319035676893835085146735905770 11th Oct
Odd but only 50% the short mulberry bag sale article is opening up for me. Is that this the world wide web web site or my on-line browser. Will should I restart my internet browser?

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