Oracle-Google jury close to verdict; 'impasse' on one question
Summary: The jury has come to unanimous decisions on all questions but one in the copyright segment of Oracle v. Google.
SAN FRANCISCO -- Just before going home for the weekend on Friday afternoon, the jury almost came back with a partial verdict in the copyright phase of Oracle v. Google at the U.S. District Court.
However, we won't know what they're thinking until at least Monday.
The jury sent a note to Judge William Alsup just after Noon PDT, informing the court that they had come to a unanimous decision on all questions but one -- on which the jury said they were at an "impasse."
Along with Judge Alsup, both Oracle counsel Michael Jacobs and Google attorney Robert Van Nest were eager to move on with the case and hear the partial verdict.
Thereafter, Judge Alsup called for the jury to come back into the courtroom, although the courtroom waited in near silence for several minutes before the five male and seven female jurors entered.
However, it turns out this was more of a boy-who-cried-wolf scenario.
When Judge Alsup asked the jury foreman if they were ready, the foreman replied that not everyone actually wanted to send that note, explaining that the problem was the "timing" of sending it. Only a majority of the jurors believed they were at an impasse, but a few others think that if they wait until Monday, they could reach a unanimous vote on all counts.
The foreman also nearly gave away which question it was that the jury cannot reconcile a unanimous answer, but the judge cut him off just in time.
Judge Alsup looked unsure on how to proceed, calling Jacobs and Van Nest into a sidebar conference while the courtroom waited for a few minutes.
In the end, Judge Alsup said that "experience" had taught him that it would be better to let the jury go home and come back on Monday to vote again. If they are still at an impasse then, it is likely a partial verdict will be read.
However, Judge Alsup sternly reminded the jurors that they are not allowed to do any research of any kind while on the jury.
After the jury had departed the room, Judge Alsup apologized to the courtroom for suggesting that if the jury's partial verdict was read today that the court would be on recess on Monday.
"I'm sorry I brought up the idea of a 3-day weekend," he concluded.
Jury Deliberates for Five Days
To recall, the jury began deliberating on Monday afternoon after lawyers from both Oracle and Google offered their closing statements for the first segment of this trial.
On Tuesday, both legal teams met in the courtroom for a one-hour conference at 10AM PDT, debating answers to jury questions concerning Google’s use of Java APIs from Apache Harmony as well as Oracle’s proposed witness list for the next segment of the trial, which will focus on patent infringement.
On Wednesday, the jury returned with more questions that pointed towards copyright infringement. Although the answer didn’t entirely please Google’s lawyers, Judge Alsup instructed the jury that they could consider both direct and indirect streams of revenue related to Android.
On Thursday afternoon, the jury returned with the eighth note issued during the deliberation period, which asked, “What happens if we can’t reach a unanimous decision and people are not budging?”
At an 8AM hearing on Friday, Judge Alsup asked attorneys from both Oracle and Google for their thoughts about where to proceed from here. While neither side was entirely in favor of a partial verdict, Jacobs acknowledged that could be a potential path. Van Nest was resolutely against the idea, preferring a completely unanimous verdict or a mistrial for the copyrights segment of the case.
Nevertheless, in the afternoon, Van Nest concurred with Jacobs and Judge Alsup to move the case along and hear the partial verdict.
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Talkback
I'm sure that the verdict will be favorable to Google
FOSS interests are a public interest and should come ahead of oracle's selfish greed!
We'll surely find out
Geeks truely represent their loser lifestyles to the fullest!!!!
Google knew they needed licenses. They ignored the fact. NOW they must pay for their evil!
That's you opinion
Talk about 'your opinion'...
That's hilarious that you say "that's your opinion," yet you yourself have your own opinion yet trot it around like fact.
Either way, how can you say the 'court seems to show differently'? We have no idea what they are thinking, not until Monday.
We Who Have Created
People who create don't really care... They are wired to create regardless of "compensation" or luck of any compensation for that matter. Besides, whatever they created belong to a "corporation", not to a person who actually "created". Those creative individuals just collect their salaries, maybe small bonuses and just move on.
They just no more than slaves of modern system of "exploitation of creativity". So, please, don't talk on behalf of "people who have created". Lots of those people will be happy to share their work with others
Please go away
"WHO HAVE CREATED"
By the way, I am concerned you are going to use up all of your capital letters and exclamation points posting like that, so I am giving you some of mine. JLPOUJFPOHSOAYOFQWEP IFPQEQWERITO AKLDSALFJKLDACV KCLANMCZXMCVLDSARFIO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope that holds you over.
No innovation is the public interest and stealing ip stifles it.
what IP?
Selfish greed is what makes America great.
You never know...
Henri
Ok and did you know the sky is blue???
Even if google was the primary cause for the holo.caust ... the android religious fanaticism geekdom would still want google to win!
GOOGLE IS EVIL!
THEY DESERVE PUNISHMENT!!!!!
I'm sorry I responded
Congratulations
Linux Geek doesn't understand the GPL
Linus released under GPL. No other.
So, the SF Chron says it is Q1 which is two part
A. Has Oracle proven that Google has infringed the overall structure, sequence and organization of copyrighted works?
Yes __________ No __________
(IF YOU ANSWER ???NO??? TO QUESTION 1A, THEN SKIP TO QUESTION NO. 2.)
B. Has Google proven that its use of the overall structure, sequence and organization constituted ???fair use????
Yes __________ No __________
Oracle Wins!!!!!
Google is EVIL and they deserve to be punished!
If it were up to me, I would find google guilty of every accused violation, force them to pay A MINIMUM of $1 BILLION..... AND pay royalties for every dollar that inj revenue that comes from android!
Google thought they could sidestep legal requirements just because they were bigger than Sun, they didnt count on Oracle to step in.
NOW they must pay for their bullying!!!!!!!
Seems to be "Fair Use" Question! Good Work Rachael!!!
But the attorneys will still be working hard this weekend, answering the Judge's questions pertaining to the recent EU Court of Justice's decision as to languages and SSO's (including API's) not being "Copyrightable". If this judge decides to make new case law that goes against this Internationally held wisdom, it'll result in a deluge of Copyright Lawsuits stuffing our court system and the mass exodus of Developers to the Safer grounds of the EU.
Not to mention that all the millions of Applications developed using those assumed Sun owned API's (even though many have been contributed or ported by 3rd party devs into Java) will have to be removed and all our Android devices could become worthless here in America overnight. Imagine just how angry this would make over 300 Million of Android owners and developers Globally?
Oracle would then be responsible for being an Indian Giver in the Open Source Community. Where they fought so hard to help in getting Unix API's open use into Linux. How about BSD and their own Solaris? They also use the Unix API's Structure, Sequence and Organization. Not to mention Apple's own OS-X Unix derivative cousin's use of the same "overall structure, sequence and organization" that could now be declared copyrightable works"!
......oh boy it's going to be an even worse slug fest in courts across America than Software Patents ever thought of being. It'll be Oracle's Java suffering the worst.... first with the Developer Community in mass migration to a safer language to code in. Right back into Google's hands with the far friendlier Developer confines of truly FREE to Use API's and programming languages. So...Oracle's about to pull off a Global Jonestown Massacre if this judge decides for them and they'll hate themselves in the end for doing so!!! Well at least until this decision is appealed and rescinded!