Reverse DRM: Verizon phone defeats MP3 playback

Reverse DRM: Verizon phone defeats MP3 playback

Summary: Engadget: ...users who choose to "upgrade" their handsets to support the Verizon Wireless music store are doing so at a tradeoff: you'll no longer be able to play MP3s on your phone....

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Engadget:

...users who choose to "upgrade" their handsets to support the Verizon Wireless music store are doing so at a tradeoff: you'll no longer be able to play MP3s on your phone.... [Microsoft] stipulated that if the Verizon Wireless music store was gonna fly at all, MS wanted to make sure that phones using it could only play back Microsoft's audio format.

I haven't verified this.  But I've been warning about the unprecedented levarage that the DRM patent holders will be able to apply to  content distribution channels such as the telecommunication networks. Having multiple incompatible DRM schemes out there is bad enough.  All these devices that are incompatible with each other (some from the same manufacturer like Motorola)? Being forced to match devices to content sources on the basis of DRM compatibility?  It's ridiculous.  But disabling MP3? If it's true, this crosses the line. (note: the Engadget story says that customers who speak up can get a new phone that allows MP3s).

Update 1/10/06: Microsoft's Robert Scoble got to the bottom of this.  It's not true.

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  • Motorola E815

    As for Motorola and depending on the model and reseller, some features are 'toggled' via 'seems'.

    My E815 has its Bluetooth OBEX disabled by default, as sold by Verizon, which would allow for file transfer to and from the phone.

    One can find a 'hack' by googling to edit the seem so as to enable OBEX, but that would potentially void your purchase agreement.

    The phone also has bluetooth CDMA DUN vzw 'National Network' dial-up capability disabled, again by Verizon as sold, but a hack is available to turn DUN on so as to avail yourself to the EV-DO CDMA 2.0 download rate (600Kbps average download as tested at www.speakeasy.net)

    Not too shabby--great for Laptop remote internet dialup--especially here in the Adirondacks.

    OK then!
    D T Schmitz
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    JohnLane
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  • MS as usual

    Well...I think they (MS and most of the other companies trying to sell DRMed-media) still don?t get the picture.

    MP3 is the audio format of choice, trying to force another format onto the enu (enduser) will just lead to the tech being ignored/unused by the majority (unless u put it in a white tin box, slap a circle at the front and suffix the name of item with an ?i?).

    Actually, I was thinking...why would I want things downloaded onto my phone, like music, etc? Currently, my mobile/cell of choice is an iMate JasJar. Ok, so it?s really big but it?s got everything I want, can watch my divx movies, play music, etc with my 4gb mem card...why would I want to go to another phone that does not even play mp3?
    If like me your still waiting for the 5 0 (police/lawyers/solicitors, etc) to knock down ur house so they arrest you for the 10s of gigs worth of music u downloaded while u were blind to spyware and praised kazaa to the skies?then why would u pay for music. I am still trying to get it into my head, why? Are people really that lazy or so far removed from the unavoidable mass tech culture to even drag and drop?

    Well, I think it?s a good thing companies are going there own way with music formats?gives the crackers out there something to do when there bored;-)

    Look what happened to Sony with the aac or whatever format? Note that the recent models by said maker are really good but 'i' still takes on all comers (sales wise anyway). Some people might point to the Asian markets like Japan/Korea where the supposedly iconic ?i? is not held in the same esteem as Euroca markets. As always, the Asian markets have always been about technology, more cutting edge and problematic it is then the better it will sell?sorry?was thinking too far ahead?sorry PS3.

    What was I talking about?ah..music?on cell/mobile phones...DRM. I am still trying to remember, I don?t think I have ever bought DRM protected content. Maybe, I should not even be writing these coloured pixels?hmmm?does CounterStrikeSource count as drm? Just had a look on my PC and I have several drm enabled app?its just missing the content. Oh?and the iTUNES generation?they are soooo out of date it?s not even funny anymore.

    (Must stop going off in tangents?take ur time, breathe in?breathe out?.ok?I am ninja in the night?)

    After all my incoherent ramblings?bottom line?

    Let them do what they want, there will always be another way. If the way is blocked, well then some people have gift of unblocking it, after all it?s all 1s and 0s blocking it.

    JenBell?aka?Jbell

    PS: I do not condone piracy, unless u met me a few years ago. If ur wondering what possessed me to by a jasjar, I was thinking the same thing until someone tried to steal my handbag, I managed to knock him out with my phone and call the police afterwards?all from the same device?thanks HTC. Think all women should get one of these, best thing since Sony released the very expensive mirror?sorry?my white psp (see, I am not anti apple or MS at all, just misguided and uninformed:-)
    JenBell
  • &#50504;&#45397;&#54616;&#49464;&#50836; &#50500;&#46308;

    Well...I think they (MS and most of the other companies trying to sell DRMed-media) still don?t get the picture.

    MP3 is the audio format of choice, trying to force another format onto the enu (enduser) will just lead to the tech being ignored/unused by the majority (unless u put it in a white tin box, slap a circle at the front and suffix the name of item with an ?i?).

    Actually, I was thinking...why would I want things downloaded onto my phone, like music, etc? Currently, my mobile/cell of choice is an iMate JasJar. Ok, so it?s really big but it?s got everything I want, can watch my divx movies, play music, etc with my 4gb mem card...why would I want to go to another phone that does not even play mp3?
    If like me your still waiting for the 5 0 (police/lawyers/solicitors, etc) to knock down ur house so they arrest you for the 10s of gigs worth of music u downloaded while u were blind to spyware and praised kazaa to the skies?then why would u pay for music. I am still trying to get it into my head, why? Are people really that lazy or so far removed from the unavoidable mass tech culture to even drag and drop?

    Well, I think it?s a good thing companies are going there own way with music formats?gives the crackers out there something to do when there bored;-)

    Look what happened to Sony with the aac or whatever format? Note that the recent models by said maker are really good but 'i' still takes on all comers (sales wise anyway). Some people might point to the Asian markets like Japan/Korea where the supposedly iconic ?i? is not held in the same esteem as Euroca markets. As always, the Asian markets have always been about technology, more cutting edge and problematic it is then the better it will sell?sorry?was thinking too far ahead?sorry PS3.

    What was I talking about?ah..music?on cell/mobile phones...DRM. I am still trying to remember, I don?t think I have ever bought DRM protected content. Maybe, I should not even be writing these coloured pixels?hmmm?does CounterStrikeSource count as drm? Just had a look on my PC and I have several drm enabled app?its just missing the content. Oh?and the iTUNES generation?they are soooo out of date it?s not even funny anymore.

    (Must stop going off in tangents?take ur time, breathe in?breathe out?.ok?I am ninja in the night?)

    After all my incoherent ramblings?bottom line?

    Let them do what they want, there will always be another way. If the way is blocked, well then some people have gift of unblocking it, after all it?s all 1s and 0s blocking it.

    JenBell?aka?Jbell

    PS: I do not condone piracy, unless u met me a few years ago. If ur wondering what possessed me to by a jasjar, I was thinking the same thing until someone tried to steal my handbag, I managed to knock him out with my phone and call the police afterwards?all from the same device?thanks HTC. Think all women should get one of these, best thing since Sony released the very expensive mirror?sorry?my white psp (see, I am not anti apple or MS at all, just misguided and uninformed:-)
    JenBell
  • This Is Why MS and Apple Want DRM

    The tech companies want DRM becuase it allows them to lock out the competitors. This is MS goal in paticular. It has little if anything to do with respecting IP or enforcing copyright.

    The media companies want it as it allows them to make up their own rules with regards to what the end user can do with copyrighted material and even to some extent the length of time protection exists with no regard to what copyright law says. Copyright law is a ballancing act in which before DRM ballance several stake holders by limiting the authors rights to allow for certain means to broadcast, compulsory license, and rights of the consumers/researchers/scholars/libraries EG; Fair Use, Doctrine of First Sale, The decriminalized/restrictions on infringement claims on non-comercial consumer copies clause in the AHRA, Library exemptions. DRM plus the work for hire cluase and current traditional distribution chanels ownership/control in effect gives all the control to the Labels/*AA.

    The winners with the DRM are the tech companies, mostly MS and Apple as they can use DRM to keep content away from competing players/OSes, and the Labels.

    The losers are everyone else and society as a whole.
    Edward Meyers
    • multiple competing DRM

      quote::The losers are everyone else and society as a whole.::quote

      This is precisely why we need as many competing DRM formats as possible. It's only then that people will finally wake up and realise they are being screwed that something will get done about this scam.
      tracy anne
      • I Agree

        There needs to be 1,000s of DRM Schemes. It isn't until it gets much much worse that Joe Q Public will smell the burning corn flakes.

        Also a note here- If MS really required that they not include MP3 playback in order to use their format then that violates the Clayton Act (antitrust law). The judge already chastized them late last year for trying to do something simular with CDs. It is against the law to make a contract where in order to purchase or sell a good you don't buy or sell the a competitors. It is therefore plausable that this is really the case as MS already got caught trying to do this and we all know what high regard MS has for the law.
        Edward Meyers
        • DRM Proponents Need To Be Careful

          It will be interesting to see how all of this pans out. It appears that most people who are knowledgeable about computers do not like the invasiveness and restrictiveness of DRM. However many regular computer / device users don?t see a problem with it. The thing is, when most people (including computer enthusiasts) buy a car, or a washing machine, or some other consumer item, they don?t really look closely at the long-term implications of certain internal designs of the item. They buy trusting that their investment is good, and will last a fair length of time. When people en masse start finding themselves hitting into the DRM walls, this can provoke a strong reaction from consumers. I think people involved in DRM had better be careful. There could be a severe backlash on the part of consumers, when they inevitably learn how restrictive DRM really is.
          P. Douglas
  • Clarification

    The following is from [url=http://www.pcsintel.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1194&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0]this article[/url] which was referenced in the 3rd comment on the [url=http://engadget.com/2006/01/07/microsoft-blocking-mp3s-on-verizon-wireless-phones/]Engadget article[/url]:

    [i][b]Update:[/b] Many are sending in a Verizon claim that MP3s are supported. However, you need to read the statement carefully. The statement says that [b]MP3s are supported provided you use Windows Media Player 10. What is actually happening is WMP10 is converting the MP3s to WMA, much like WMA files are converted to MP3 when sent to the iPod via iTunes.[/b] However, unlike the iPod and iTunes, there is no such solution for VCast Music phones on Mac or Linux.[/i]
    P. Douglas