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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Samsung vs. Apple fans: Nice Galaxy ads, but will they work?

By | November 23, 2011, 8:45am PST

Summary: Samsung is trying to do to Apple what Apple did to Microsoft: Make the other guy look a lot less cool.

Samsung is taking the gloves off in its smartphone battle with Apple in a series of quirky ads that do make you chuckle. The big question is whether lines like “dude you’re a barista” and shots at iPhone 4S battery life can sway smartphone fence sitters.

In the world of tech you sometimes get the impression that there are no Apple fence sitters. People love Apple or they hate it. The reality is that most of us are more agnostic. Samsung’s ads mock the fanboys and tout the Galaxy key strengths: 4G, large screen and style.

Apple would obviously counter with Siri, a more integrated OS and a more powerful ecosystem.

You get the idea: There isn’t one phone to satisfy everyone. That’s what makes Samsung’s ads, which have pretty much gone viral today, so interesting. Samsung is trying to do to Apple what Apple did to Microsoft in its “I’m a Mac, I’m a PC” commercials. The goal is to make the other guy look a lot less cool.

Matthew Miller noted:

This Galaxy Nexus ad seems effective to me and gets away from comparing specs or scaring the heck out of you (Why would you ever want a Motorola Droid robot weapon?) and does what Apple has effectively done by showing how seamless things just work without detailed explanations.

Samsung doesn’t go behind the scenes too much with its press release on its “the next big thing is already here” campaign, but the company is going all out. Samsung said:

A 60-second television spot will also air during the Thanksgiving-day NFL games on FOX and CBS, with kick-off times at 12:30pm ET and 4:15pm ET, respectively. The ad will also run on Saturday during televised college football. 15- and 30-second versions of the ad will run on the major broadcast and cable networks from now until Christmas Day.

CBS owns ZDNet so we’ll gladly take the ad revenue, but the bottom line is that Samsung is punching back at Apple. Nice to see a few punches thrown outside of the courtroom and patent lawsuits.

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meh...it's got Android....Add WP7 or iOS to that slick hardware and now we're talking.
@cmasak
Definitely WP7. Good call!
@matt_whalen_@??? Windows on it would be the nail in the coffin. when the Nokia acquisition is finished, Microsoft will dump the OEMs (just like they did with the zoon) wink
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Windows Phone 7... yeah right...
cosuna Updated - 23rd Nov
@matt_whalen_@... : add WP7 and voila , see the magic go (away)...

Just witness what happened with Nokia's N9 when they switched, even though N9's MeeGo was rushed onto production (according to internal sources):

"The differences between the Lumia 800 and Nokia N9 include the processor (1.4 GHz vs 1 GHz), screen size (3.7 vs 3.9 inches), RAM (512 MB vs 1 GB), NFC (not included in the Lumia 800), wireless radios (Lumia 800 is quad-band and N9 is pentaband), internal storage (Lumia 800 is 16GB only while N9 has a 64GB option), and front facing camera (Lumia 800 doesnt have one). So as you can see the N9 best (sic) the Lumia 800 in most every specification..."

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phones/nokia-lumia-800-and-n9-same-form-factor-different-audience/6870
@matt_whalen_@...
once those partners earned Apple enough revenue to open their own stores and then "kicked their 'valued partners' to the curb"?
plain
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Check out the Samsung Focus S
palmsolo (aka Matthew Miller) 23rd Nov
@cmasak I had a chance to use the Focus S at a recent Microsoft event and it is basically the Galaxy S II with Windows Phone 7.5 on it and IMHO the best of the new WP devices.
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Have you ever tried one?
rhonin 23rd Nov
@cmasak

The SGS2 is a seriously good phone.
Android is good.
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It worked for me.
WinTard Updated - 25th Nov
@rhonin
I have a Samsung Galaxy S2, and just love it.

I had an iPhone 3G

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@cmasak

Absolutely right. The one thing that the Samsung has that neither iOS or WP7 have is integrated Google spyware. If you don't want to be part of the biggest spynet in the world, avoid any Android device using Google Android. We now have to differentiate since Amazon Android and B&N Android probably eliminate the Google spyware for their own.

Yes, Apple and Microsoft also spy on you, but their business model is not based on spying on you. Only Google does that.
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...everybody pays....
Cayble 24th Nov
@jorjitop

...somehow...
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Are you mentally deficient or just .....
rhonin Updated - 26th Nov
@jorjitop
Ignorant?
They all do (spy and use).
Android = Google
iOS = Apple
WP7+ = Microsoft
etc....

So what exactly is our point?


turn the knob, your bulb is uber dim.... .
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@ rhonin

There's a price for iOS or Windows Phone OS (or whatever it's called), which is paid by end users, as part of the device price, and Apple and Microsoft also collect a share of app revenue. There's no price for Android -- Google dump it onto device manufacturers for free -- and nor do Google collect any share of app revenue.

With positive revenue from iOS and WPOS, and the apps that run on them, Apple and Microsoft can make money from their mobile phone systems without relying on adware/spyware. Google can't. Google will always lose money on Android itself, and on the Android app ecosystem, which means the only way Google can profit from it is via adware/spyware.

Whether Apple and Microsoft do spy on their end users isn't something I know enough about to comment on. In Google's case, it's obvious: the only way they can make money from Android is via adware/spyware, so of course they do it.
@jorjitop
Only Google does that? Well... that's not quite correct. Do you use Facebook?
Zuckerberg - called his users "...dumb f**ks"
@cmasak Our family has two iPhones and two Samsungs. The Galaxy S2 is definitely the best performer, but if you're happy with your Apple stuff, stay with it.
My next phone will be the Galaxy Nexus - nothing comes anywhere near it.
But like I say, if you're happy with what you chose a few years ago, don't change.
@myself Oh, and my wife's HTC Aria (Android). She loves it
@freetulisten Nice to read a sensible response vs. the flamming type comments that some people post. I am trying to make a decison soon about a smartphone (time to upgrade my old Blackberry). I have come to the conclusion that RIM's smartphones and operating systems are not cutting it. I am truly open to suggestions on the merits of an iphone vs an Adroid. I dislike the silly disputes between Apple and Android followers. A little common sense comparision is what I really need.
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I got a chuckle out of this. I liked the, "I could never get a Samsung....I'm creative."
@SmoothDouglas my favorite line was the response to yours "Dude, you're a Barrista..."

I don't pay much attention to phones, I have an Android that I love and my husband does the phone research/choosing. But I do find the "Apple attitude" in general mildly annoying and ridiculous on several levels, so the commercial definitely amused me.
@LLL3 I couldn't agree more!
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Same ol', same ol'
rhonin 23rd Nov
@dderss

Anything NOT Apple annoys you.
So what?
@rhonin

touche.. lol!
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chuckle ...
thx-1138_@... 24th Nov
@LLL3 ... yeah, he probably does mocca and chickory.
Siri, although new, represents a huge paradigm shift that is coming in mobile devices...what is the Android or Windows response to the introduction of AI to a broad audience? I had an iPhone 4, and bought the 4S to get Siri. Prior to Siri I used my phone as a phone, I now use it dozens of times a day to help organize my life. As these capabilities mature, I will use it more, not less. So...forget the hardware comparison, forget the social manipulation, compare the overall benefit of the two devices. One man's opinion...
which is "testware" or beta?

No counting Siri, most of what the iPhone 4S does, could have been done with the regular iPhone4, and still, neither of them do 4G.

It doesn't make any sense for anybody to pay for beta software, or for any company to sell beta software as its main new feature on a smartphone. You've been had. But, there's a sucker born every minute.
@adornoe@...
Then you evidently haven't tried Siri. I've been experimenting off and on (usually off) with voice recognition software since the 1990s. Until Siri, it was all basically useless (including the iPhone voice recognition). You had to say the exact commands, and even then it often didn't get it. If you were dictating text, you spent more time correcting than you would have typing.
I was deeply sceptical of Siri until I tried it. Now I use it every day. It is like nothing that has gone before (rather like the iPhone touch-screen when it first arrived). I suspect that, a year from now, all phone manufacturers will be putting something of the kind on to their premium phones.
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@adornoe@??? why companies like Microsoft have made a good living, by selling betaware.
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Siri is in beta, and beta should not be a paid service, and it shouldn't be used as the main feature in a marketing campaign to sell the "new" 4S version of the iPhone.

It doesn't matter how good or bad the service is, it shouldn't be getting charged for, or used as the main feature to garner sales. People should be told, up front, that Siri is still in test mode, and that it will not be getting charged for.
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Rick_Kl: Oh, grow up already!
adornoe@... 23rd Nov
By your silly definition of beta, software would always be in beta mode, and neither Microsoft nor IBM nor Google nor Apple, would ever be able to sell software that is "ready" to power anything.

There comes a time when the beta label needs to be removed so that people can begin to feel comfortable with using it. Even if Siri seems to be quite capable, the beta label is the disclaimer that Apple could use to defend against somebody claiming that it doesn't perform as expected or as advertised. But, if Siri is being paid for, then the beta label should be removed. Apple is selling millions of iPhone4s because of Siri, but, if Siri were removed, then the millions of those who "upgraded" would not have had a reason to do so, and the iPhone4 sales would have continued at whatever pace it had been at, or perhaps slower.
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@adornoe@... try a windows phone 7. Voice features cannot be beat. It does all the same stuff without the hassel of explaining things to your phone... it retreives what you ask for all the time.
smartphone which carries voice recognition.

My argument has been against using beta software, in this case, Siri, to sell a product. That, to me, is a sin against the consumers, who are paying for software which isn't really ready for regular use and to charge money for it, as can be witnessed by it's beta label.
@MartinMTurner
...you must haven't tried speaktoit on androids. same thing but better than siri!
@adornoe@...

"...most of what the iPhone 4S does, could have been done with the regular iPhone4..."

That same statement is applicable to pretty much any new Android phone. What exactly are you doing with a brand new Android that couldn't be done with last year's model?

So what do Android OEMs sell as their "main new feature" on new models?

You knock iPhone 4S for not having 4G, but I'd say the spotty 4G service in many areas and horrific battery life makes it the equivalent of beta. Yet I hear plenty of Android OEMs tout 4G in their ads. And by the way, at least some carriers charge more for 4G service.
@JethroTull77
I can see why Apple's kool aid/social manipulation gets to you. WP7 has TellMe and Android has Google Voice and Vlingo way longer than Siri but you doesn't seems to know that. I guess it wasn't a paradigm shift until Apple told you so?
@Samic
I've tried Vlingo and I've tried Google Voice (and Iris), and also Dragon Naturally Speaking, and various others right back to IBM ViaVoice.
The difference between Siri and the others: Siri actually works, and is actually useful. Just because another product has a feature which is superficially similar doesn't mean anything. Remember resistive touch-screens? They were still 'touch-screens', but the user experience was unbelievably poor compared to the iPhone screen. Same with Siri and the others (and I include in that Apple's earlier iPhone and Mac voice recognition).
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@MartinMTurner you're making stuff up now! VLingo was even more accurate than Siri and more integrated on Android than it ever was on iOS.

As for Google Voice, That isn't voice recognition! Nice try with the stories though.

I can sit there with my wife's android phone and say the same sentence with both phones listening and a good 30% of the time Android gets it right when Siri does not. The rest of the time it is pretty much a toss up!
@MartinMTurner

Google siri doesn't work reveals 52,700,000 results, the first one from Apple Support Communities.

Weird how perspective differs?

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@JethroTull77
Siri was an app. Apple bought the app, then made it exclusive to one model (when previously it worked on all models). Why support that business model? In addition, what makes you think another app maker won't make a better version of it, that works on phones AND on the desktop (where it would be more useful, in my opinion)?
@JethroTull77 Apple doesn't actually own the technology behind Siri and Iris needs work but could easily serve the same function on Android as it uses the same technology.
@JethroTull77

Another man's opinion:

It won't be long before someone develops an Android app with Siri capabilities shows up, so that's not the kind of paradigm shift I look for.

Instead, when it comes to phones, it's hardware and network support. You don't spend the length of a contract buying a phone that does not support LTE right now.
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rhonin 25th Nov
@CyberGuerilla

So agree and a big reason I went from the iphon4 to a SGS2.

NEED THE SPEED!!!
@JethroTull77 "what is the Android or Windows response to the introduction of AI to a broad audience?"

Siri is a response to the speech capabilities that were already offered on both Android and Windows Phone. Microsoft's TellMe service already has AI capabilities and are used for many automated telephone systems. Siri's functionality far exceeds the competition, but that should be expected since they're platform has already matured. Microsoft has had other things to focus on and while speech functionality is cool and very useful, most people don't care about it right now. As the capabilities expand, I could see this changing. Nonetheless, Siri is a great feature.
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It is
rhonin 25th Nov
@WixosTrix

But not a driver as the reason to buy the 4S.
@JethroTull77 Some folks seem to make Siri as the one leading point for Apple. I admit, Apple does tend to come up with the 'cool' features first. But let's face it. These things that Apple does can be done by other companies; it's only a matter of (not much) time. I believe that Siri is basically software, albeit a sophisticated one, which is something that can be done by others as well. By then you will only have the real specs to compare the two, which is where you will find Apple's shortcomings.

I mean, no 4G? Come on! I don't even have use for 3G but I can easily imagine what kind of difference it would make for some people. I like 'hard' hardware; you never know when they might come in handy in the future (and with a fairer price).
@JOB83

What flavour of 4G? Around here, LTE is not available yet though Rogers has made noises about 150 Mbps LTE in 4 major cities in 2011. So far, it would appear that only three have been lit up by the end of October and coverage is spotty at best in those cities.

Personally, LTE is not a deal breaker. With all the limited data plans, LTE simply looks like a better way to burn through your allocation faster -- hmmm... 150Mbps so about 15MBps. With a 4GB month data cap, it would take about 266 minutes to hit that limit assuming you ever saw a 150Mbps connection. Even with HSPA+, I tend to hit my limit before the end of the month.

I looked at one vendor whose "unlimited" data plan has a limit buried in the fine print -- it's unlimited but once you go over 2GB in a month, your data connection slows to 256Kbps or lower.

And should we open the battery life can of worms? "But I carry a spare battery", "I plug my phone in at work, in the car and at home, so battery life is not a worry." seem to be popular comments. Or the sites with pages of advice on extending your battery life using an LTE phone -- often including "turn off 4G" as part of the advice.
@DNS8

Bitter? Wow

Sounds like you are trying to justify a reason you didn't get 4G.

BTW: just because I have 4G does not mean I download more.
The objects load way quicker and I will take that anyday!

Don't like it or want it? Go cry in your Corn Flakes.

@JethroTull77
WP7 has has the 'talk to me' feature since release 1. It's basically the same thing as Siri. Blame Microsoft for bad marketing yet again. No one even know the feature exist. To access hold down the home key for 2 seconds...
@JethroTull77

Unfortunately, Siri doesn't work without network connectivity, since all the processing is done in the cloud.

So what's so different here than any cloud based service such as Google Translate or midomi.com, which uses far more sophisticated algorithms to recognize musical patterns? i.e.: whistling a tune, then getting matches to real music? Real quick.

I wouldn't discount others potential yet. Nothing breakthrough or revolutionary here as far as Siri is concerned.

Apparently the Android version, Iris (Siri backwards) will do the same or better?

Heh.

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Until Samsung gets something lthat functions as well as Siri, they will be in second place for a lot of people.

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