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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Symantec gains amid McAfee's pain

By | May 7, 2010, 3:00am PDT

Summary: Symantec’s first quarter results were stronger than the financials from McAfee, which is recovering from a Windows XP update debacle and struggling to get its sales ducks in a row.

The security industry has two big dogs: Symantec and McAfee. But with No. 2 player McAfee struggling Symantec is showing strength.

The earnings reports tell a tale of rebounding PC demand, distribution partnerships and how they can pay off.

Symantec reported earnings excluding items of 40 cents a share, three cents better than expectations. Revenue excluding deferred revenue from acquisitions was $1.53 billion. Overall, Wall Street was happy with Symantec’s results on Wednesday.

Last week, McAfee’s earnings missed expectations and shares hit a 52-week low. McAfee reported first quarter earnings of 60 cents a share on revenue of $502.7 million, up 12 percent from a year ago. Analysts were looking for 63 cents a share on revenue of $513.1 million. McAfee had trouble closing deals.

The battle is playing out on multiple fronts.

On the consumer side of the house Symantec reported revenue of $483 million, up 9 percent from a year ago, as the company focused on inking OEM deals. Symantec CEO Enrique Salem said:

We focused on replacing the competition, and structuring positive financial deals for both Symantec and the partner. We entered into significant new partnership with Samsung, shipping Norton Internet security on their netbooks, and Norton online backup on their netbooks and notebooks worldwide. In addition, Fujitsu signed an exclusive agreement to ship Norton products globally on their consumer and commercial PCs. We now have partnerships with nine of the top 10 OEMs with our security products. We continue to expand our partnerships with our online backup offerings, and have partnerships with six of the top 10 OEMs, five of which we signed during the last year.

McAfee’s consumer business delivered first quarter revenue of $190 million, up 11 percent from a year ago. McAfee has focused on teaming up with Internet access providers. However, McAfee took a perception hit over the recent Windows XP update debacle.

Ed Bott: McAfee admits “inadequate” quality control caused PC meltdown

McAfee’s second quarter earnings will be cut 1 cent to 2 cents a share due to the fallout from that update.

CEO Dave DeWalt said last week on McAfee’s earnings conference call:

While responding to a new global threat to Windows PCs that attacks critical operating system components, an error, specifically, the release of a faulty .DAT file, caused some of our customers’ computers to be rendered inoperable. As a result, we expect some negative impact resulting from getting our customers back up and running. I’m extremely proud of how the McAfee team responded and contained this issue, and it’s largely behind us today.

While we’re pleased with the performance in many parts of our business, we are taking measures to correct our execution challenges including aligning our business operations and our cost structure appropriately.

Barclays Capital analyst Israel Hernandez said in a research report:

The primary reasons for the (earnings) miss were execution related, resulting in the delays of several large deals and weakness in the SMB channel. As this represented the second miss in three quarters for McAfee, the results suggest to us that McAfee is struggling to maximize sales efficiencies from its recent string of acquisitions, despite a strengthening macro (economic condition). We believe the broadening portfolio, which is increasingly hardware dependent, is causing digestion pains in both the sales organization and the indirect channel, resulting in contract delays and revenue recognition issues. The miss in the SMB channel also raises questions regarding share shifts and competitive pressures given the relative maturity  of the segment, as McAfee, historically has been a net share gainer.

On the enterprise side of the equation, Symantec’s security and compliance business had first quarter revenue of $364 million, roughly flat with a year ago. Storage and server management revenue was $578 million, off 4 percent from a year ago. Overall, Symantec said it continues to land deals topping $1 million since it can sell security and storage bundles.

Indeed, Symantec signed 87 deals in the first quarter worth more than $1 million and is still beefing up with the acquisitions of PGP and GuardianEdge for $370 million. McAfee said it signed 19 deals topping $1 million. McAfee’s corporate revenue was $312.5 million in the first quarter, up from $275.9 million a year ago.

What remains to be seen is how long McAfee takes to get its sales mojo back. As Hernandez noted, McAfee is a more complex company these days and it needs to forge hardware partnerships like its alliance with Riverbed to land the big deals.

Another loose thread McAfee needs to clean up has to do with its reputation. The Windows XP update problem affected about 100 enterprise customers. These companies may have long memories the next time McAfee comes up for renewal.

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RE: Symantec gains amid McAfee's pain
mamanga 20th Dec
@Dr. John yep i am first http://www.khg.galeon.com
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Mike (not Cox) 7th May 2010
Good for them. Symantec have really cleaned up their act with their Antivirus and Internet Security offerings since 2007. I remember the product being so slow and bloated that it rendered my computer unusable. Since NIS 2007, it's been a pretty smooth ride.

At work we recently switched from the corporate Symantec antivirus offering to McAfee's. We're in hell. I assume that, as usual, this was a lowest-bidder win (that's how it works here - it's not the best product, it's the cheapest.) McAfee slows down our machines to a crawl, and a lot of time has been wasted with false positives on our own in-house applications.
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@Mike (not Cox)

We've moved from all of the above to MS Security Essentials here. All the systems are quicker, and are well protected behind the firewall.
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jscott418 8th May 2010
I agree, I really like Security Essentials and these days unless your awful about not having a NAT or a Firewall with a up to date OS. Your really spending too much on those security suites.
@Dr. John I will say on one of my home machines I have dumped VS Enterprise 8.0.i as it has let too many bad things past & replaced with MSE. So far on other machines that has worked well. (and not nearly as bad of a resource hog either)
@Dr. John I used to be a big fan of Symantec's Norton SystemWorks Pro software package, but ever since they replaced that with their Norton 360 package, I think Symantec's software offer has just fallen apart. Norton 360 doesn't come with as many features as NSW used to, one great missing feature is good drive imaging software. Plus, NSW didn't have this "ONLY ONE COMPUTER" limit stamped on it, so you could install it on a couple home computers, if you needed it for more than one.
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Good for them. Symantec have really cleaned up their act with their Antivirus and Internet Security offerings since 2007. I remember the product being so slow and bloated that it rendered my computer unusable. Since NIS 2007, it's been a pretty smooth ride.

At work we recently switched from the corporate Symantec antivirus offering to McAfee's. We're in hell. I assume that, as usual, this was a lowest-bidder win (that's how it works here - it's not the best product, it's the cheapest.) McAfee slows down our machines to a crawl, and a lot of time has been wasted with false positives on our own in-house applications.
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edward polling Updated - 4th Jul
Symantecs first quarter results were stronger than the financials from McAfee, which is recovering from a Windows XP update debacle and struggling to get its sales ducks in ipad bag blog sutudeg education news and pclos hwdb a row. k l
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Linux Love Updated - 15th Sep
Symantec on Thursday said it will acquire privately held Clearwell Systems in a move to better tap into the e-discovery riotfest know of knoledge netzaesthetik good of the joysoft laptop keyboard that calciofc apple orange connectechporthuron this is market.
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With the move, Symantec plans to combine Clearwell with its archiving and backup software.
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Symantec has e-discovery software called Enterprise Vault, but aims to use Clearwell to offer a larger suite.
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The e-discovery market is expected to be a $1.7 billion market in 2014, according to Gartner.
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Symantec is best known for its security software, but has a sizable storage and information management unit.
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Symantec said the purchase will shave 1.5 cents a share from its fiscal 2012 earnings.
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Linux Love Updated - 20th Jul
The deal should be accretive for fiscal 2013 earnings. Symantec recently reported its fourth quarter riotfest know of knoledge netzaesthetik good of the joysoft laptop keyboard that calciofc apple orange connectechporthuron this is results.
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Linux Love Updated - 4th Jul
The e-discovery market is expected to be a $1.7 billion market in 2014, according to Gartner. Symantec is best known for its security software, but has a sizable storage and information management unit.

Symantec said the purchase will shave 1.5 cents a share from its fiscal 2012 earnings. The deal should be accretive for fiscal 2013 earnings. Symantec recently reported its fourth quarter results. The company handily topped estimates with fourth quarter net income of $297 million, or 22 cents a share, on revenue of $1.6 billion. Non-GAAP earnings were 38 cents a share, two cents ahead of ipad bag blog of best sutudeg community the modern education news and country and estimates.
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arabaoyunlari@... 11th Aug
@Dr. John That is really a big question. Google's servers are the heart of Google's business. And it has long been a FEATURE, a FEATURE, not a LOOPHOLE, that one could privately modify the GPL code they use to run their business. Of course web applications are obviously SaaS. But where does one draw the line between those applications and the servers that host them? For example, take an insurance company running open source on their back end servers. At some point they decide to put a customer facing front end on those servers so that customers can access their accounts over the Net. Does that suddenly make that whole kaboodle Saas? If so, I am not sure I am comfortable with AGPL. In fact, I am not sure I am comfortable with this concept anyway since it undercuts one of the few provisions that make GPL software highly attractive to businesses that are not engaged in reselling the software itself. It really compromises the spirit of the GPL in some ways
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sashamart Updated - 2nd Sep
Used to be a proponent of Symantec's Corporate AV (NEVER Norton EVER again), and Endpoint Protection has its good points. What has long been a bug-bear however, and what finally drove me away was the lack of control over quarantined false-positives. A file quarantined or removed by Endpoint and as such reported, is as good as gone; try sacramento massage and undo and you get an error message stating action can't completed (forget the exact words). Simply not good enough!

As to McAfee... don't even get me started. Was utterly FURIOUS when the wife got a new ACER Aspire notebook last year, with McAfee bundled in - minus any uninstaller! Took me two damned hours to san francisco chiropractor hunt down an obscure uninstall app from McAfee themselves just to remove the blasted thing.

Found Comodo almost by accident whilst taking Win7 RC's through its paces last year, and have been pleasantly surprised at how mature I've seen it become since then... and it's FREE (and unlike AVG, NOT crudware). In this household, BOTH the two top-tiers can take a hike!
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@Dr. John yep i am first http://www.khg.galeon.com
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@RahinBen Good for them. Symantec have really cleaned up their act with their Antivirus and Internet Security offerings since 2007. I remember the product being so slow and bloated that it rendered my computer unusable. Since NIS 2007, it's been a pretty smooth ride.

At work we recently switched from the corporate Symantec antivirus offering to McAfee's. We're in hell. I assume that, as usual, this was a lowest-bidder win (that's how it works here - it's not the best product, it's the cheapest.) McAfee slows down our machines to a crawl, and a lot of time has been wasted with false positives on our own in-house applications. pembe maske energy balance oyna oyunu moliva orjin krem tutune son nanomatik complex 41
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@Mike (not Cox) I can see someone writing their own, non-funded project uninterested in writing a manual for it.

My guess would be that many programmers would rather spend that time coding and perfecting the app then getting it out the door as the end result is much more fulfilling then writing a manual.

How many people say "decent app, yet look at the awesome manual that came with it!"
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I noticed that Comcast switched from offering a free McAfee suite to a Symantec suite to customers. That had to hurt.
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I noticed that Comcast switched from offering a free McAfee suite to a Symantec suite to customers. That had to hurt.
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Neither Deserve a Break
Lampoon 7th May 2010
I've got a long memory. Over the years I and people I know have had too many machines ruined by Symantec and McAfee. I don't care how good they are now I would never trust either of them within two barge poles of any machine I was responsible for. I love Kaspersky. They have by far and away the best support and the best products. I don't know of any machine demolitions they have caused. Sure conflicts but that is par for the course and they are fixed pronto. I hope McAfee and Norton both go to the wall.
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djmik Updated - 7th May 2010
@Lampoon
Agree completely. If you are an IT pro and consider that these two big players are the only show in town, maybe another career is in order. There are a few solutions out there that are far better. You mention Kasperski which is good. I personally like Vipre Enterprise. No bloat, great support.
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Larry Dignan 7th May 2010
@djmik I run into a lot of people that would agree with both of you.
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Ludovit Updated - 8th May 2010
@Lampoon
I've been looking for an article posted on ZDnet about two years ago but I can't find it ... it was a study done by one of the top 10 AV providers (some one like Kapernsky or AVG) ... they pumped 300 viruses through systems running different anti-virus software - Symantec may slow the system down, but it stopped TWICE as many viruses as the second place product, which was McAfee ... the reason these products may slow systems down is because of mis-configuration on the users end - I have some 800 installations of various Symantec products ... I never have any issues once I've configured it properly.

Ludo
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If mis-configuration tis the main issue
kaninelupus 12th May 2010
Then maybe it says something about Symantec's ease of use in terms of their software. Best to keep the the "KISS" theory; Keep It Simple Stupid!

AV's, as with any core piece of software, needs to keep as primary directives, TWO premises; Efficacy and Efficiency. In the real world, any AV which fails in the latter will frustrate to the point of shedding their user-base, no matter what their score in the former. The best AV's score points in both departments, and are easy to configure and use to boot!
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xpsb733r@... 7th May 2010
From my experience, McAfee has always been problematic. It always seem to be a major resource hog. But then again, Symantec has had it's ups and downs as well. I think we all bounce around from product to product based on many factors, some of which are not in our control. No one product seems to be "the one".
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osoz Updated - 15th Apr 2011
@xpsb733r@... I've got a long memory. Over the years I and people I know have had too many machines ruined by Symantec and McAfee. I don't care how good they are now I would never trust either of them within two barge poles of any machine I was responsible for. I love Kaspersky. They have by far and away the best support and the best products. I don't know of any machine demolitions they h orjin krem altin cilek tutune sonave caused. Sure conflicts but that is par for the course and they are fixed pronto. I hope McAfee and Norton both go to the wall.
Install either McAfee or Symantec suites! Not only that,
trying to uninstall either can be a royal pain. Much easier
to use your firewall and one of the free offerings, such as
Avira, Microsoft Security Essenstials, or AVG.
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Mike (not Cox) 7th May 2010
@wizard57m@... Symantec's current offering isn't nearly a drain on resources as it used to be - it's actually pretty light on resources. AVG? Been there, got bitten, no thanks.
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Wolfie2K3 7th May 2010
@wizard57m@... Avast - maybe... AVG fuggedaboudit..! Seems to me that AVG pulled something similar to what McAfee recently did a while ago (removing legit Windows files with a false positive).
@Wolfie2K3
Broken record maybe, but discovered Comodo last year while testing Win7 RC's and have seen it blossom into a fine package... worth looking at.

What I find most ironic about AVG is where they bought up an awesome antimalware provider (Ewido), and TOTALLY stuffed it up! Says it all really
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@wizard57m@...
Thats funny,I'm running Symantics 2010 and not 1 single problem. Ive been a customer since 2002 and quit happy with them,except for when they removed the ad blocking features,which were outstanding.
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As a Comcast customer where they were giving away McAfee security products for free as a service has now been replaced by Norton!

Dang, I guess McAfee really scr3w3d the pooch! (just glad none of my XP systems were cought up in the mess)

I will say on one of my home machines I have dumped VS Enterprise 8.0.i as it has let too many bad things past & replaced with MSE. So far on other machines that has worked well. (and not nearly as bad of a resource hog either)

Still use others as a double check on the systems from time to time.
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docplaster 7th May 2010
I have had the misfortune to have used Trend Micro, Symantec, and now, McAfee. Each one had some type problem. Is it asking too much for a supplier to do the job they are paid to do? Appears that, like so many companies, once they get enough customers "hooked", they can relax and rely on past performance. It is very discouraging to PC used who have to rely upon those people charged with securing our machines.
David Freer (VP, Symantec Consumer Business Units - Norton, APJ) is a BIG LIAR! He lied to me for more than two and half years for my true feelings, time, and money. Also kept saying I am the only one in his life. Even this year on Feb. 2, he used company line to lead me to have phone sex with him. Until I found out there??????s some other woman, he made up another lie and finally admitted he??????s been living with her for a year. Later, I realized they were all lies. He actually has married March 2009. And now he just totally disappeared and not answering any phone calls, acting like ??????hit & run?????? irresponsible baby. Can you trust someone like this, with no ethics and integrity? The more unbelievable things are David Freer newly-wed wife - SUZY WALSHAM, she shamefully admitted she was the third person who broke up David Freer & his ex 12 years relationships, and mocking at me as the 3rd "unsuspected" person, as she agreed with his husband??????s behaviors!!!!!! SHAME ON both of you, DAVID FREER & SUZY WALSHAM!!!!!!! (THEY BOTH WORK FOR SYMANTEC)
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alwyn@... 7th May 2010
Both suck so who cares?
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Avira AntiVir 10 rocks!
maxtheitpro Updated - 7th May 2010
I wasn't too impressed with Avira a few years ago, but man, they've really turned into the Fiery Phoenix over the past year and a half. Just peek the web for reviews of Avira and you'll see what I'm talking about. And this is the FREE version! As such, I now install this version on all my pal's desktops. No problems EVER.
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maxtheitpro Updated - 7th May 2010
BTW I usually use Linux Mint 8 which is based on the fantabulous Ubuntu 9.10 release. What a pleasure to NOT have to worry about viruses/trojans/malware/worms etc.
Anyhow, I'm now dual-booting with Windoze 7 and Avira Antivir 10.0 was the first thing I installed.


As for Norton & McAfee, I loath both of them. They've gotten too big and are now making lots of money. Plus their apps are BLOATED and use so much system resources. Good riddance!!
For a good 7 years of so, AVG, Panda, Kaspersky and NOD32 really started to eat into the boy's lunch. I actually was a die hard AVG user, but Avira detects things that AVG never noticed.

Avira, keep up the great work!!

- Max "The IT pro"
http://MaxTheITpro.com
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viruses, lovelife & ********
ronangel 7th May 2010
What a fantastic board.. not only do we learn about problems with anti virus programs (I use zone alarm pro no problems apart from auto updates of definitions sometimes do not work but ok when done manually) But we get to know where to buy the latest designer ********,and learn all about the alleged love life of company directors....an added bonus for the lawyers of all involved making plenty money when the defamation writs start flying around! cant wait for the next episode of this soap(grin)
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Never had a problem with...
bobavery 7th May 2010
Kaspersky, both at home and enterprise.
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CharlesEtheridge@... 7th May 2010
I really don't see why either Symantec nor McAfee is of any concern. I use and am very happy with the performance of Windows Security Essentials, so the helll with the others.
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Each company has goes through it "bad times" and McAfee is in one now. Symantec and other vendors will go through one and it is the hope that the vendor learns from this lesson and not to make same mistake or other mistake from other vendors.
I just want to have diversity of vendors since monopolies suck and harms all of us.
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It was the first Antivirus I tried, and at that time it didn't even detect a few known virii I had isolated on a disk for 'testing' purposes. Then ended up having to fix a number of machines in it's early hayday where users had installed it, and suddenly their games, or what have you, wouldn't work properly anymore. Made quite a few bucks back then removing their product, (only thing I have to thank them for, but hey, it's sincere thanks at least heheh).

Now they're in pain? Heh, fade, McAffee', your day isn't coming, indeed, it never really 'arrived'. Your product won't be missed, (save by a few old techs who earned a few bills the way I did from your products deficiencies).

Symantec lost me as a customer with it's bloated 2002 and 2004 editions, if they've managed to go lean and mean again, well more power to them. They were my favorite AV, (system utilities too back in those days). I'll stick with Avast for now, and keep my browser firmly sandboxed. One can never be too careful.
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Norton
jimsing59 7th May 2010
Norton is rated higher than McAfee. See statistics on my website jamesmsingleton.com
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Symantec lost too, long ago
Crash2100 7th May 2010
I used to be a big fan of Symantec's Norton SystemWorks Pro software package, but ever since they replaced that with their Norton 360 package, I think Symantec's software offer has just fallen apart. Norton 360 doesn't come with as many features as NSW used to, one great missing feature is good drive imaging software. Plus, NSW didn't have this "ONLY ONE COMPUTER" limit stamped on it, so you could install it on a couple home computers, if you needed it for more than one.
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douglasac10 7th May 2010
@Crash2100 Although I will agree it lacks proper imaging software in it, most (if not all) copies of Norton 360 I see in stores have 3 PC's or 5 PC's on them... so I'm not sure where you're looking.
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Crash2100 7th May 2010
@douglasac10 I think you're right, I guess I was looking at the Norton Anti-Virus package when I saw a 1PC offer.

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