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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

The curse of popularity: Hackers love Apple's iPad, iPhone, too

By | August 3, 2010, 11:28am PDT

Summary: For a long time, hackers didn’t bother with Apple and its niche audience. But now that the iPad and iPhone have gone mainstream, hackers have their eyes on iOS.

One of the greatest things about being a Mac instead of a PC is not having to deal with all the headaches of viruses, adware, trojans and all of the other havoc that hackers have been placing on Windows users for more than a decade.

Of course, that’s not to say that Macs have never been vulnerable - it’s just that hackers tend to go where the masses are, where their chances are greater that someone in the pack will click on the bad link or open the bad attachment.

Now, as the popularity of the iPhone and the iPad - both of which run iOS - has gone mainstream, the hackers are tapping iOS. And surely, they’re counting on users - who have long known about vulnerabilities to computers - to be naive about the vulnerabilities that are possible in the mobile world.

Also see: Your iPhone, iPad and iPod touch devices are all wide open to hackers

Today, Gizmodo posted an unsourced report about a security breach in iOS products that are being pushed through PDF files and the Web pages that load through the Safari browser. Gizmodo calls the vulnerability “easily exploitable” and explains that unsuspecting users who could be giving “total control” of their iPhones, iPod Touches or iPads to hackers. The blog reports:

It just requires the user to visit a web address using Safari. The web site can automatically load a simple PDF document, which contains a font that hides a special program. When your iOS device tries to display the PDF file, that font causes something called stack overflow, a technical condition that allows the secret ninja code inside the font to gain complete control of your device. The result is that, without any user intervention whatsoever, that program can do whatever it wants inside your iPhone, iPod touch or iPad. Anything you can imagine: Delete files, transmit files, install programs running on the background that can monitor your actions… anything can be done.

Again, the Gizmodo post is unsourced, though it does link to a couple of other blogs that offer more technical details about what’s at work here. [Macstories and Digdog] Still, it’s important for iPhone and iPad owners to recognize that the invisible Apple security blanker that once came with being an Apple customer is going away.

The company is quick to boast the number of iPhones and iPads out there - now in the millions. And market tracking firms are also quick to note how the iPad has given Apple a huge head start in the tablet market and how the iPhone - even though it doesn’t have the largest market share - is the smartphone that competitors are targeting. But competitors aren’t the only ones placing that target on Apple’s back. Hackers are apparently eyeing it, too.

The Gizmodo post includes some information about a product that warns users when dangerous PDFs are about to be installed - but that requires you to jailbreak your device, which will void your warranty. It also notes that Apple has not yet responded to its inquiries about this particular vulnerability.

Hopefully, that’s because the security team is working double time to address the breach - and looking for ways to deal with breaches that are sure to surface in the future.

Related coverage: Forrester: Apple’s iPhone, iPad secure enough for enterprises, but RIM rules security roost

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RE: The curse of popularity: Hackers love Apple's iPad, iPhone, too
tomlin21-24319035676893835085146735905770 11th Oct
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Truth, its only just begun.
NoAxToGrind 3rd Aug 2010
Watch what happens in the next year.
Your Ministry of Truth reminds you: in order to be safe, everyone should buy and install Microsoft Windows.
@Robert Hahn - The Ministry of Truth just issued a new advisory: Install the Ministry of Truth's "Ultimate Security Monitor" program. If you choose to not install this program, then you must immediately disconnect all your computing devices from any networks and data plans.
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But iPhone runs OS X...
NonZealot 3rd Aug 2010
and OS X refuses to run "bad" code unless you type in your administrator password. This makes iPhone invulnerable to all malware. Or so we are told.
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OS X is immune!
honeymonster Updated - 3rd Aug 2010
@NonZealot

OS X is immune! to Windows viruses! Always will be. It is true!
@honeymonster The last 2 posts sound tongue-in-cheek, but sometimes you can't tell, sometimes it is trolling.
@honeymonster Not if you're on an Intel box ... PPC's are immune, but not the others.
@NonZealot

OS X asks you for your password - and according to some bloggers this is security.

But how do you compare OS X's multi user features with iOS's single user features?

They are both basically the same OS, but one of the differences is that iOS is not designed to have the multi-user interface features because an iPad/iPhone/iPod is a single user tool, and a desktop or laptop is a mulit-user tool.

Or so we are told.

Not by anyone who has used an iPhone, iPad or iPod you aren't!!!
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@NonZealot
Looks like this affects only Safari. I tried to jailbreak using TabBrowse [http://itunes.com/apps/tabbrowse] and the jailbreak failed. Guess we are safe to use this browser on iOS. Safari has vulnerabilities, so what, every piece of software does. It must be that Safari runs as root while other browsers such as tabbrowse are sandboxed. Oh! dont you love the app store!
Had nothing to do with popularity, had everything to do with just how easy it was to attack these Apple platforms.
@Loverock Davidson Yes, just as it is easy to attack a Windows platform. Wait until Windows 7 Phone is out..you'll deny when it's being attacked from all sides...but that's just your normal response to everything anti-Microsoft..you're in denial, just like you refuse to show me your credentials. You have none and you have no credibility.
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@cyberslammer What a clown troll comment. I suppose you're a gypsy fortune teller by trade? haha...

Microsoft has been successfully running a Garden Walled Network of 40 $$$Million$$$ users now since 2001 in Xbox Live with few problems. They had an App Market before CrApple stole the idea, in Xbox Marketplace 2005. They've been running a Fire Walled Secure Hyper Tunnel Environment before CrApple even knew what that was. As they simply ripped off AOL HELL to Create iHELL in their garden walled iPlatform network! ....their App Store is a disaster with App Farms all over and all HELL breaking lose while users are getting ripped off to the iTunes of $$$1000's.

Meanwhile Marketplace has been handling MILLIONS of transactions without any major blowups whatsoever in it's 5yr history. That in a Garden Walled environment now near 10yrs old!

WP7 phones will be on that exact same secure environment and although users won't have direct access to the web (just like on CrApple's iHell) the Hackers won't have direct access to them either. Because they first have to hack the SSL Servers and that hasn't been done. Not only that, but they'd have to do it every single time since M$ runs remote authentication like what Adobe now runs in FLASH 10.1 content.

When you open a PDF it has to be not only signed now, but remotely authenticated before it can be opened. Hackers can't duplicate remote authentication and I doubt that they will be able to, anytime soon. Spoofing and Hacking on WP7/Xbox Live Garden Walled networks will be impossible. So what are Hackers going to do? Stick with CrApple's revolving door way into their wHollier than iThou spoofable and hackable platform. You know..... thieves have always liked going through unlocked front doors over breaking down walls or going through broken windows since eternity! .....CrApple gives them just that!!! wink
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@cyberslammer Nice deflect... except Windows phone 7 isnt even available yet, so any talk of security vulnerabilities is pure speculation. The iSheep will just have to come to terms with the fact that they have a bit of a bullseye on them now.
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They perpetuate the myth
rag@... 4th Aug 2010
@Loverock Davidson No disagreement here. But the Wintards have to keep focusing on market share - like that has something to do with it.

It's all about how the operating system is designed and has NOTHING to do with market share.
@rag@...
The 3rd paragraph of the article begins with:
Now, as the popularity of the iPhone and the iPad - both of which run iOS - has gone mainstream, the hackers are tapping iOS.

The author, Sam Diaz, for what it's worth, is a Mac fanboy. He'll be the first one to tell you that himself. Allow me to translate the above clip.

The iPad/Phone/Pod has hit critical mass. It's now OPEN SEASON on all iOS devices. Hackers are now taking notice and will be writing more and more crapware for it.
@Loverock Davidson

are ready for the enterprise? I'm told that RIM is dead, get rid of the 'Berries and usher in iPhones; meanwhile, Saudi Arabia is banning Blackberries because there encryption is too strong

And to all you idiots about to say "well...'windoze'...you allow windoze on your network"...um, yeah, i can manage windows to the T. Appearantly the only people who are allowed to manage the iDevices are Apple or hackers.

It's funny...when someone with a Windows box goes to a website and it installs an o/s changing app, we call it hacked or pwned. but when the same thing is done on an iPhone, it is called jailbreaking.

I guess that NonZealot fellow is on to something with the 'double standards'
@SonofaSailor

Saudi Arabia is banning blackberries because the messaging traffic is handled in the US and outside of their control.

It's funny...when someone with a Windows box goes to a website and it installs an o/s changing app, we call it hacked or pwned. but when the same thing is done on an iPhone, it is called jailbreaking.

No - if someone disables the security on Windows, and also removes the code signing checks, you'd call it pretty darn stupid.

If someone disables code signing on the iPhone, enables SSH login without setting a password, and disables features designed to stop the OS being messed with, and at the same time stops the system for keeping the user within the contractual agreement they entered with the phone carrier, as the phone carrier paid for part of their handset, then you call it jailbreaking. And those that call it jailbreaking are in fact hackers - and why do you glorify their actions by using their word?

Some people call theft 'lifting' or a '5 finger discount', doesn't make it right.

Jailbreaking in itself is not a breach of copyright - and I for one never even imagined it was.

Jailbreaking to break an agreement to use a carrier's network in return for them paying part of the handset costs is breach of contract. The latest ruling did not touch on this.

Besides that factor jailbreaking your own phone is legal - but for many people simply misguided. If you need to do it because you need certain software, and you are not under contract with a subsidised handset, then go for it!!!

when someone with a Windows box goes to a website and it installs an o/s changing app, we call it hacked or pwned. but when the same thing is done on an iPhone, it is called jailbreaking.

Are you dumb?

If someone goes to a website and chooses to install an app which changes the OS then we call that many things - but not pwned.

If someone goes to a website and without their knowledge or consent the website modifies their OS, we call that hacked, pwned, hijacked or botnetted - very common.

If an iPhone goes to a website and the website modifies the OS without the users knowledge or consent then we call that hacked, pwned, hijacked or botnetted - just like any other platform.

The double standard is your attempt to pretend something about the iPhone because it is not part of your team - and to pretend duplicity on the part of others out of either ignorance or in fact duplicity on your part.

I guess that NonZealot fellow is on to something with the 'double standards'

I guess he is participating in double standards - but is he onto something? No
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I want to clear up some misconceptions here
Pete "athynz" Athens 4th Aug 2010
@richardw66

If someone disables code signing on the iPhone, enables SSH login without setting a password, and disables features designed to stop the OS being messed with, and at the same time stops the system for keeping the user within the contractual agreement they entered with the phone carrier, as the phone carrier paid for part of their handset, then you call it jailbreaking. And those that call it jailbreaking are in fact hackers - and why do you glorify their actions by using their word?

Jailbreaking is the act of modifying the iOS to allow non-Apple authroized apps to run on the iPhone. And HOW is "...disables features designed to stop the OS being messed with..." a bad thing? While Apple does have certain rights the do NOT have the right to mess with apps I install on a device I paid for. Also enabling SSH on the iPhone and not changing the default password is not jailbreaking, that is lack of common sense. Jailbreaking does NOT automatically enable SSH, that has to be done via user interaction.

Some people call theft 'lifting' or a '5 finger discount', doesn't make it right.


THIS is the asinine argument that amuses me the most... tell me HOW is jailbreaking the iPhone theft? In and of itself it is not - there ARE ways to get hacked and cracked apps on the iPhone but that is something that most people who jailbreak do not condone... including me.

Jailbreaking in itself is not a breach of copyright - and I for one never even imagined it was.

Jailbreaking to break an agreement to use a carrier's network in return for them paying part of the handset costs is breach of contract. The latest ruling did not touch on this.


Jailbreaking in and of itself is NOT going to break an agreement with the carrier - please tell me what part of the contract says I cannot modify the OS of my device? If it is not in the contract as saying I can't then jailbreaking is not a breach of contract... Now perhaps you are confusing jailbreaking with unlocking the latter of which is the process where one can unlock the device to be used with any compatible carrier (i.e. unlocking the iPhone in the US to be used with T-Mobile) but once one is out of contract then there is no issue and if one terminates the contract early they are charged the ETF which allows the carrier to reclaim the portion of the cost of the device they subsidized.
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Thank you for arguing semantics...
SonofaSailor 4th Aug 2010
@richardw66

instead of addressing the point of my post which was these devices just may not be ready for enterprise

But, in Apple fashion, you skirt the issue and try to explain to me what the definition of 'is' is.

Well done.
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@SonofaSailor AT&T did not want to willingly set up Apple's Garden Walled environment or setup the Video/Voice Mail Servers for them either. They didn't want to do the separate network just for Apple's devices. Because they had just quit their own Garden Walled environment and now most networks have gone away from them. Including AOL and Verizon as service providers.

But they do serve a purpose if they are run properly. For instance Microsoft's Xbox Live is a Firewalled environment since it's inception in 2001. It was developed for all the right reasons though. To protect it's users and keep anyone else from getting in and attacking them.

Apple created theirs originally for these same reasons. But when they made their App Market on their AT&T Garden Walled networks (copy of MS's Marketplace) they began to take advantage of this control scheme to the detriment of their users. Who #1 were prevented from changing to other service providers. #2 from installing applications they wanted. Because of the Exclusivity Contract signed with AT&T in order for them to recoup the server and Garden Walled Network setup costs to run Apple's separate Mail & App Store on. That without getting any direct returns of profits off the App Store.

That contract is debatable for sure. But it is not still in effect or Apple would have, at least put iPhones and iPad on other providers in America. There are rumors of that contract being extended as of the one year anniversary of iPhone by Mac insiders and system engineers in convo's in Apple Fed Talk mailing lists:

http://lists.apple.com/archives/fed-talk/2008/Jul/msg00157.html


But who really knows. Has AT&T yet recouped the costs of setting up separate billing and services for iPhones and iPads? Who knows and even if they have that wouldn't break the 5yr exclusivity of the their contract. It seems to me that AT&T holds all the cards, because Apple would have to supply all the those services in other ways on other providers and I don't think AT&T would let competitors here do that here in this country. In England alone, their are 7 wireless providers selling iPhones. AT&T is one of them there too. But they allow those competitors to access Apple's Video Voice mail and App Market Server networks because they have a lock on American iPhones and iPads for at least 2 more years (2012)!

Do you really think AT&T Cares (or any service provider in the World? they still get monthly service fees and they remain locked to that carrier), if users Jail Break iPhones and iPads in America? I don't think so, now that there is no unlimited service and they make more when you use more bandwidth.

Simple legal Jail Breaking:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7922135/JailbreakMe-Apple-iPhone-4-hack-released.html

Facetime now available via Jail Broken iPhones along with FLASH if you want and people seem to be grabbing both by the bucket load all over the World since Jail Breaking is basically been declared Legal in EFF decision!

http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2010/08/02/facetime-over-3g-becomes-a-jailbroken-reality/

FLASH on iPad if it's Jail Broken (which it has been)!
http://www.gaj-it.com/20473/unofficial-flash-workaround-coming-to-jailbroken-ipads/
sounds like retaliation to me, much like Apple software for windows is well known to let malware creep into windows.

But contrary to what the zealots want you to believe this has absolutely nothing to do with popularity. When an operating system is weak it does not put in place measures to deal with insecure software and things like these are bound to happen sooner or later. The opportunity is there and someone will seize it, inevitably.

Well designed Operating Systems, like Ubuntu Linux, include software like Apparmor that provide a last line of defense by effectively protecting the OS from poorly written or malicious software. Unfortunately neither windows nor OS X have effective security mechanisms in place leaving their users completely exposed to malware operators and their evil intents.
@OS Reload:
These threads always descend into trolling My OS is Better Than Yours zealotry. Apart from the sadly misinformed heading, if you knew anything about Unix or OSX you would know that FreeBSD has extremely good security credentials, but it is vulnerable to the exact same types of things that Linux is. Any computer system connected to a network like the internet is. OSX (being a FreeBSD variant) makes use of technology developed for SELinux, as well as Access Control Lists and Mandatory Access Controls as developed under the TrustedBSD project, along with the usual Unix security and not having root enabled by default. Linux as a whole is a dog's breakfast on so many fronts it's not funny. And yes I've used Linux since Caldera OpenLinux, and running Ubuntu now. See, you even got me doing it now.
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You are in Dire Need of Re-Education!
i2fun@... 4th Aug 2010
@msandersen OS-X does not utilize SELinux. SELinux was written by the NSA specifically to address the Linux Kernel's Security concerns. It is now part of the Linux Kernel. Now TrustedBSD project borrowed some of it's concept's but the last I heard the Linux code is like night and day to BSD. Further more, this TrustedBSD Access Control Lists must (just like SELinux) be manually CLI'd into the OS on every installation. You tell how many Mac users are even capable of doing that let alone on their phones?

Whereas Linux on Desktop uses App Armor with a graphical interface setup that requires far less supervision and even simpler activation. While Android has been written from the ground up with a system that not only layers processes for security like OS-X, but fully Isolates (like App Armor does on the Desktop) each process from every other process and specifically to keep the kernel safe. iOS with Safari doesn't do this. It layers processes but doesn't isolate them and that's why it's more vulnerable as proved in PWN2OWN when it both Safari and iPhone were the first to fall in minutes!!! .....and Android still never did this year or last!

So with TrustedBSD, you may see Corporations putting in techs to set it up and run it, but all you have on Macs is it's heritage from Unix and some OS protections. Safari is still a mess even on iOS!
@i2fun
Re-read my first line about zealotry and stop trolling.
I didn't say OSX utilise SELinux, now did I? I said OSX via TrustedBSD use code ported from SELinux, specifically the Flux Advanced Security Kernel (FLASK).
Why get into a pissing contest about which system is the more secure, it doesn't matter; the point is the OP was wrong in his assertions of OSX being inherently insecure and badly designed, with ineffective security measures.
As for the ACLs, they are on by default in OSX 10.5 up without consumers needing to know they are there, no setup required. Messing with them is generally not a consumer feature, more for system administrators if needed. And yes, there is easy GUI administration of it as part of the Server Admin tools, a matter of drag-and-drop and ticking boxes, as well as having the CLI way. So no need to blow smoke.
Indeed Chrome is currently the safest browser, and Safari, being the portal to the web on OSX, is a prime attack vector, in particular with plugins like Flash which has had a bad security record. Webkit2 is implementing the same kind of split process model and sandboxing which Chrome uses, which incidentally as you know also uses Webkit, with the difference it is now in the framework itself (http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/WebKit2). The current version of Safari has sandboxing for plugins, like Flash, which of course Apple choose not to support on their mobile devices. I'm sure you are aware Android also uses Webkit. And yes Android phones have been hacked through Flash.
You don't seem to realise that exploits for PWN2OWN are written beforehand, and take a long time to research and develop, with exploit websites and attack code ready to run, so saying something was hacked in minutes or seconds belittles all the months of prep work that goes into it. Also the same exploit cannot be used twice, so if there is a specific PDF or Flash flaw, it can only be used against one target, and OSX and iPhones are a higher-value target. The iPhone hack used a vulnerability in Safari code signing.

You are a fool if you think that Android is any safer, especially considering their unregulated marketplace where there has been several instances of malware to date, the latest affecting many millions of users who downloaded a fake wallpaper app which also stripped the phones of personal data and sent it to a site controlled from China. Oops. A phishing app called First Tech Credit Union stealing banking details have been found on the Android marketplace. Backdoor software has been found allowing remote control of the device. Flash has been used to hack droids. Spyware to monitor users. Android phones has been shown by researches to be easily infested with botnets. The Droid Incredible takes periodic screenshots of the browser which may contain sensitive data and cannot be deleted by the user. There are rootkit proof-of-concepts. There are Android hack tools in the wild. The fake weather app WeatherFist created a bonnet of thousands of Android phones. Mobistealth is a fake GoogleVoice app which is really spyware taking control of communications. HTC Android phones have been shipped with malware, distributing Windows viruses and trojans like Conflicker and a Mariposa botnet client to PCs it is plugged into. And that is not the full list either. To paraphrase the heading: The curse of popularity: Hackers love Google's Android.
Now what malware is there for the iPhone? The only one I am aware of was a prank targeting jailbroken iPhones where users had installed SSH with the default password as part of the jailbreaking.

Now who needs re-educating??
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You're full of it!
i2fun@... 5th Aug 2010
@msandersen FLASH 10.1 has not been touched fool! .... and link it if you can prove Android has been attacked through FLASH! It hasn't been attacked period. So that's a Bold Faced lie! and that's any version of flash but I hope you realize that 10.1 is about as close as you can get to unhackable. It uses remote authentication coupled with multi layered security and on Android it is sandboxed like in AppArmor! So sorry hackers can't do shizt with it!

Android hasn't lost $1000 to App Farmers and the fiasco Apple still refuses to admit exists. iTunes security is horrendous and you have Apps buying Apps along with a myriad of problems Apple isn't talking about. At least Android has never had anything like what happen over the 4th and the stuff is still going on. If anyone is a Troll and lame for believing you're safe in Apple's hands it's YOU! Sorry!

Dream on buddy Android is 10 times safer and better than iOS will ever be!
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@OS Reload

But why would you let petty facts get in your way?. PDF is (now) and open format. Apple has for a very long time used their own PDF renderer.

If apparmor is oh so great, why isn't it enabled by default for the bundled browser (Firefox) on the most popular distro (Ubuntu)?
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So Simple I Can't Believe You Can't Figure it Out!
i2fun@... Updated - 4th Aug 2010
@honeymonster App Armor is a proprietary program that on many other distros comes pre-setup. But Ubuntu goes strictly by the rules and just as you must click to apply a 3rd party proprietary driver (like Nvidia or ATI GPU), you must click to apply and accept the terms for Novell's App Armor for a browser that isn't supplied by Ubuntu!
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@OS Reload

You are mostly right, this is about the OS.

I would give those claiming this is about popularity one point on this though:

At the moment the iPhone & iPad are the hot new things.

Many pirates do their evil work for the glory of suceeding, they are very much ego driven. This is not unusual for criminals anyway.

Whilst the iPhone/iPad are the new frontier that everyone wants and have such a high profile, they attract those needing an ego boost by the win of hacking them.

Security is always about what is a target, as well as about the apparent security prevention.

No system is going to be 100% secure.

And no - I am not agreeing that Mac OS X is not breached only because it is not so popular, it is still regarded as a valuable target due to it's not being hacked so often, so the Ego factor is in fact higher for OS X than for Windows.

(Had to put that in before NonZealot and his ilk managed to miss the point and cry double standards and logic failure, sometimes it would be nice if they could understand logic without needing these things spelled out to them.)

What matters now is are these reports genuine, are they widespread or blown out of proportion?

What also matters is do these holes, that is any real ones, get plugged?

What does not matter is the market share of the device, security is security.

What also does not matter is does the UAE not ban them due to the messaging server's location!
@richardw66 Hackers and their malware are driven by profit, not ego.
What is worrying about this is this, IMO: In Windows and Linux (and I'm unsure about OS X, but it's probably also true) - in which via the system update the manufacturer or distributor can patch specific parts of the OS to plug security holes and vulnerabilities. Not so with the iPhone. Everytime there's an update, Apple pushes the entire OS via iTunes. That's over 250 each time there's an update. I know my dad almost NEVER plugs his phone into his computer just because he forgets/doesn't care/whatever. I'm betting a lot of people don't either. So what happens if/when Apple gets into the situation Microsoft was in 5-6 years ago, with XP (remember *that*?) I'm wondering if they'll be willing to: 1) Admit there's a problem and 2) commit resources to building an infrastructure and process for vulnerability detection and correction. Apple's "patch tuesday". And not only that, how many horror stories will people suffer before Apple even gets to that point. Will we see a market for "security" software for the iPhone (antivirus, anti-malware, etc)? If the platform gets popular enough to be a juicy target for hackers, I think karma will come and bite Apple in the ass as they start suffering from most of the problems they so happily made fun of for years on the Win platform.
@fer.paredesb@...
Oh I remember XP :P Still the majority platform after all this time of it supposedly being deprecated, and still the prime attack vector for malware, esp as the default browser on XP is still IE6, which enterprise has standardised on. Yes, OSX has the same automatic update mechanism. It is an interesting point, maybe Apple has to have a reminder notice pop up on users' phone telling them to plug it into the computer to update the system, persistent enough that they eventually do it within a reasonable time. It is not currently feasible to update via 3G with the prices carriers charge for data, even running as a background process when the network isn't in use, unless the carriers make exceptions for system processes. The issue of security on phones in general is becoming more of an issue the smarter they get and the more common smartphones in general get. Android has had some issues due to their unregulated marketplace, with one malware app stealing all the users' personal information.
@msandersen
Verizon pushes updates to my Motorola Droid (albeit full OS upgrades) over 3G as they do with BlackBerry devices. I am not required to EVER attach my phone to my computer.
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@msandersen

Wait till the hacker's use that push OS capability - wow that will be fun for you!!!

What I have found out from my investigations into the use iPhones is that many users never hook their iPhones to their computer.

This means they do not get updates - so there are quite a few users out there running the iOS they got at purchase.

Jailbreaking adds to this effect as those who jailbreak tend to avoid updates - which is why I recommend against jailbreaking.

I am not required to EVER attach my phone to my computer.

No neither are iPhone users apparently.

I used to get over the air updates for Ericsson phones, they stopped that years ago, I wonder why...
@richardw66

"No neither are iPhone users apparently."

Pretty sure activation requires itunes and a pc
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@rtk
Pretty sure activation requires itunes and a pc


It might if one bought it online and had it shipped to ones' home but buying it in an AT&T store (and perhaps the Apple Store) it is already preactivated - no iTunes needed.

Personally I do plug my iPhone in every evening to charge and to sync so I keep my appa and iOS up to date.
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The emperor's new clothes
tonymcs@... 3rd Aug 2010
That invisible security blanket turned out to be non-existent too?

Marketing and design are no substitute for programming and testing. Next time they could try left-handed people with an iPhone as well wink
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Hmmm
Fred Fredrickson 3rd Aug 2010
That invisible security blanket turned out to be non-existent too?

Security by obscurity was never a good idea. Apple has been told that lots of times, seems they haven't taken that advice yet.

Next time they could try left-handed people with an iPhone as well

Urban myth. The iPhone 4 antenna issues had nothing to do with whether the user was left or right handed. If the issue had been restricted to lefties, then only 7% of customers would have been affected (assuming an even distribution among the population) unless an unrepresentative number of lefties bought iPhones. Or righties prefer some other phone.
@Fred Fredrickson
Well, a greater proportion of creative people are lefties :P The Mac has had a history with the creative industries, like design and music. Apart from that, the way right-handed people might use a phone with a keyboard might be to hold it in their left while using the right hand on the screen, tho once calling, you'd assume they use the right. Why phones don't have this area on the top I don't know. The issue has been shown to affect most modern phones with internal antennas, including android and windows mobile phones and 'dumb' phones like the Razr. But none of those are restricted to an overloaded AT&T network in America. I wonder if it will even be an issue overseas where hey don't have the same reception issues??
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Not true necessarily
Michael Kelly 4th Aug 2010
@Fred Fredrickson

I'm right handed but I almost never use my right hand to hold a phone. I like to keep my right hand free to do other things, and holding a phone in the other hand isn't all that challenging.

Plus I have seen studies long ago that show that right handed people tend to see and hear better out of the left eye and ear (and vice versa), because that's what they lead with (check out a baseball batter's and pitcher's stance).
@Fred Fredrickson

Enough already - the iPhone antenna issue is actually an urban myth - it is just like my Sony-Ericsson K750i - which is a damn fine phone!!!

The number of user complaints is very small, smaller than any other phone.

The issue is blown out of proportion thanks to the wonder of blogging, and the people who make their money out of attacking Apple, yes they do exist!!!

Also the best way to get readers is to put the word Apple in any negative computer story headline - it happens time and time again.
@richardw66

"The iPhone antenna issue is actually an urban myth"

Not even close to an urban myth, there is an actual issue. Vista being a failure is an urban myth.

The iphone has a design failure, Vista had compatibility issues very early in the release. Both have been blown far out of proportion.

It happens to all the major players, Apple best get used to it.
@Fred Fredrickson
I'm right handed but I've always held a phone in my left hand, I also write with my right hand, a useful combination.
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Get a Life
tomogden 3rd Aug 2010
Geez, Sam. For someone who care for Apple, you sure get a kick out of persecuting the company.

All you're doing is spreading the word that it's now cool and popular to break the law and pick on Apple.
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Pick on Apple?
rtk 3rd Aug 2010
@tomogden You can't actually believe that the big bad guys out there are just picking on poor little Apple?
@rtk

Oh yes you can!!!

There is heaps of crap out there.

Look at the stories before the launch of each of the iPhone models declaring it dead!!!

Same for iPad.

Read the ZDNet stories also - lots and lots of crap - most of it didn't even make sense.
@richardw66

Boo Hoo, welcome Apple to the big leagues. They get no sympathy since most of the heaps of crap about Windows issues came directly from Apple.
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Yet another file format from Adobe that causes Apple a problem. Time to ban it Mr Jobs?
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Or alterratively.....
Lester Young 3rd Aug 2010
@Agnostic_OS

....they could patch their own PDF rendering code. Naaah, too much work. Better just to point the finger.
@Lester Young
Oh you can bet they are working on patching it, and they aren't the ones pointing the issue out, they would rather no-one knew :P PDF has had a lot of attention lately from security researchers, and some scary issues uncovered affecting all platforms.
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@Agnostic_OS

Mr Jobs will not ban PDFs

Mr Jobs has never banned a file format.

Apple's refusing to allow really, really buggy code from Adobe is by no means the same thing as this issue.

Buffer overruns and stack overflows are common security holes with code accepting outside data. I remember my servers used to get 500+ URLs a day each thrown at them in an attempt to overrun the buffer of Cisco's own iOS.

There was nowhere near the level of stupid postings about Cisco having a vulnerability in the routers that were universally deployed throughout the internet.

Yes, that is old news - not a current Cisco issue.

My point being that the Double Standards are very much alive.

Yes any iOS security breaches should be reported.

Yes it is fair to relate these to the uptake of the platform, no problem there.

Yes it is important for users to be cautious, and yes it is important for users to know that iOS is not 100% secure.

But the bloggers and their whining and wild claims are just ridiculous.

And your reference to banning is just plain spin and BS!!!
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RE: The curse of popularity: Hackers love Apple's iPad, iPhone, too
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