Trial: Former Sun CEO gets into catty fight with Oracle lawyer
Summary: Oracle's lawyers tried to redeem their case after the former Sun CEO's initial testimony in the IP case against Google.
SAN FRANCISCO -- In less than an hour, former Sun Microsystems CEO Jonathan Schwartz probably did more for Google's case than its lawyers have been able to do in the last nine days of the trial.
See also: Former Sun CEO: We would have paid Google for Java phone
During cross-examination, Oracle counsel Michael Jacobs questioned Schwartz about what he knew about Google's implementation of the 37 Java APIs in question in this lawsuit -- especially comparing the Android-Java case to Apache Harmony.
Schwartz explained that if the Apache Software Foundation wished to release a product, even if it implemented Java APIs through Apache Harmony, it could do so without a license -- so long as it does not call it Java.
"The Apache Foundation is totally free to ship their code into the market place," Schwartz said. "The only thing they can't do is call their product Java. We weren't going to give them a hall pass."
Continuing on, Jacobs showed emails to Schwartz written by Google senior vice president Andy Rubin in 2005 to other Google executives, reading that Google needed to get a license for Java.
Although Schwartz saw the emails for the first time on the stand, Schwartz remarked that Rubin "was inflating the right to implement those APIs and call them Java." Basically, Schwartz thought Rubin was making a big deal out of nothing, adding that the TCK was only necessary to label a product Java.
Yet, the cross-examination reached a heated impasse between Jacobs and Schwartz, to which Jacobs sternly concluded to the jury that Schwartz wasn't talking about Sun's legal position, but rather its business agenda.
Schwartz responded, "I don't think I'm qualified to speak as a lawyer," and he added that his point is that "we did have a business agenda."
Although he looked more agitated than Schwartz did, Jacobs pressed again firmly if Schwartz was focusing on "requirements for the brand -- not a view of Sun's legal position."
With more of a perturbed than flustered disposition, Schwartz replied, "I'm there to define our business strategy -- not to write our contracts."
When further interrogation over license issues didn't go anywhere, Jacobs and Schwartz entered into a more catty dialogue.
Essentially, Jacobs tried to takedown and discredit Schwartz's testimony by describing the end of his tenure -- or his downfall, depending on your perspective in this case -- at Sun when it was acquired by Oracle in 2010.
Jacobs asked if Schwartz was called to the stand on behalf of Google because its legal team thought it would help them. Schwartz replied with a slight smile that he was waiting for Oracle to invite him.
Furthermore, Jacobs asked if upon the closing of the Sun-Oracle merger if Schwartz had been terminated as CEO.
Switching from a frown to a faint grin, Schwartz replied, "I believe I resigned. They already had a CEO."
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So...
Basically, Oracle's lawyers have got a bridge to sell us...
That would be perfectly valid. Just because sun didnt want to because it
Actually,
Sun made everything but TDK freely available to lure developers in
The personal attack against Jonathan Schwartz was uncalled for
Better to bring in former Sun managers (e.g., Rich Green, executive vice president of Sun's software) who held a different view towards Google's Dalvik.
Schwartz was a great CEO and a visionary
So google not opening their search algorithm is best FOSS practices? Or
Have you heard the last minute news? ...
Johnny, no point in appointing yourself the moral judge of these companies
This is the heart of all software development. For example, anyone should be able to come up with their own version of a Postscript file viewer.
Poor Java.
But Florian Mueller says this doesn't matter!!!
FM is dead wrong
His latest lies at http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/04/open-sourcing-of-java-and-api.html have been debunked at groklaw here: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120426122828498
Actually, I hate to admit it, but I side with Florian on this
Florian has all the creditibikity of Lyndon Larouch
Darn editor. The gentleman has the credibility of Lyndon Larouch.
Oh.....
I'd like to see yuou show me where Oracle AND Microsoft paid anything. Once again you are full of s?it.
After you do, you can go back and recompile your Linux binaries for the 2,565,434 time.
ORACLE PAID APACHE TO BUILD HARMONY AND THEY USED IT THEMSELVES!
That tells me several things, two of which are:
1. Oracle had a very different opinion until the chance came to sue Google and fish for billions. Had they been asked if the API's were protected prior to the Sun purchase, they'd have had to say No otherwise they would have been guilty of infringement themselves. (see point 2.) for financing and using Apache Harmony.
2. Oracle are guilty of the same copyright infringement they are accusing Google off. (Wonder if that means Mcneally and Schwarts can retroactively sue Oracle for Copyright infringement for being part of Harmony :-) )
Oracle's case took a huge hit...
http://www.tech-thoughts.net/
schwartz
his blog was sun's policy? that blog that nobody read, and if you did, you were an idiot too. bigger tent? wtf is he talking about.
he cares about one thing: himself.
Java GPL or not ?