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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Ubuntu splits from GNOME UI: A good, pragmatic move

By | October 25, 2010, 10:53am PDT

Summary: Canonical’s Mark Shuttleworth detailed how Ubuntu will split from the GNOME user interface for Unity, which is its netbook approach. Simply put, Ubuntu will have a custom user interface.

Canonical’s Mark Shuttleworth on Monday detailed how Ubuntu will split from the GNOME user interface for Unity, which is its netbook approach. Simply put, Ubuntu will have a custom user interface.

Unity interface on Ubuntu 10.10 Light

Unity interface on Ubuntu 10.10 Lite

The reaction to various press reports from Computerworld, Ars Technica and others has gone to extremes:

  • First, Canonical could be portrayed as evil because it’s flipping its middle finger to the open source community.
  • Others say that GNOME was hard to work with.
  • And then you get your Unity sniping.

Don’t expect much unity in the open source community over Ubuntu’s very significant change.

The reality: If Ubuntu really wants to be a player on the desktop it will have to have more control over its user interface. Meanwhile, it makes no sense to have a UI for netbooks and PCs. In fact, the UI is everything. And as Apple has shown you can’t really do interface by committee.

Gallery: Ubuntu 10.10 ‘Maverick Meerkat’ released: What’s new (and improved)?

Now Shuttleworth acknowledged Ubuntu has a lot of work to do. Ubuntu OS needs to rethink everything from windows management to what the interface should look like. Ubuntu’s decision to go to a UI over GNOME (GNU Network Object Modeling Environment) is risky. However, if you can take a shot at broader adoption you do it. The Ubuntu interface (right) isn’t going to get the masses excited.

In other words, this split from GNOME looks like a solid decision to me. Dell is selling Ubuntu laptops and if Ubuntu wants other PC makers to follow it needs a hot interface. Let’s face it: If the best thing Ubuntu can do is mimic the interface of Windows it will never get beyond the enthusiasts. Show us something innovative via the Unity pragmatism and maybe you’ll sway others to Ubuntu.

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People 25th Oct 2010
It took this long to figure this out?
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Let?s face it: If the best thing Ubuntu can do is mimic the interface of Windows it will never get beyond the ipad bag blog of best sutudeg community the modern education news and enthusiasts.
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@raimu koyo asu I'm keeping an open mind about Unity. If it winds up blowing snot, then back to Xfce I unitedcms from this we can blueampu than modern s-aquarion so that it soshaiti2008 from thos iPad asyouare of go.
@raimu koyo asu I'm the same way, I do my best to remain neutral. It's hard, if you communicate with the person the other person dislikes, then you fall out of favor with them! I simple can't dislike a person, just because someone else does, I just can't.
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@People One major point with Microsoft's approach, is that they always assume that there will be a lot of people out in the world, who do work, -that Microsoft wants to happen with a relationship to Microsoft products. This does not go for Apple (except for skin/case manufacturers etc. for ipod), or for Google. In other words, there are millions of people for whom choosing Microsoft's attitude will benefit them. aref ghafouri kral oyun
@People Yeah, people love to repeat that "competition is good for users" mantra but it's not true when half of the players in a given market are phoning it in (so to speak.) The half-baked crap being dumped into the market by most of these companies will actually hurt users when they get suckered into buying them. At this point, there are only one or two phones I'd want to own. If there were indeed true competition, with a batch of companies truly trying to compete, not just dumping beta products into the bargain bins in the hopes of snagging the profits of 2-year contracts, then the consumer would benefit. As it stands, not so much.
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Took them long enough
Cylon Centurion 25th Oct 2010
Maybe they'll take a play from Microsoft and get rid of those god-awful drop down menus.
@Cylon Centurion 0005 : the same ones that appear every time you hit ALT on Windows 7.

Or you mean the Office 2007 interface that changed with Office 2010 and landed (sort of) in Win 7 Notepad and Paint.
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@Cylon Centurion 0005
Gee, I still see drop down menus in IE8, Office 2007 and Office 2010 using the ALT key. Not that that's a bad thing.

Once again, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Linux's UIs were a bit of a pain. They embraced the concept that customization was a substitute for good UI design, and it didn't work.

Sorry, but good UI design can't take second place to customization - the UI has to be a good design to begin with. "But you can customize it!" is a crutch, not a solution.

The two bars was a bad idea - it violated KISS and gave the user too many controls. I'm sure the power user loves staring at dozens of controls, but the average user only really needs a small subset of them.

Thankfully, they've changed the horrible brown of the previous versions, but they still need to work on getting the BEST theme to be the default, rather than something tossed together by somebody who just found the gradient tool in the GIMP.

Of course, some of the best themes in Linux are replicas of Aero anyways, so I'm not keeping my hopes up.

A single gradient for the bars isn't exactly professional artwork IMO.

"It doesn't offer all the features that most other Windows-based applications has, like Windows Live Photo Gallery or Paint.NET (still my favourite photo editor)"

Umm - Windows Live Photo Gallery is great for the vast majority of people, but I'd say that it's the minimum of what photo editing should be. If Linux apps aren't even that good, I'll pass, thanks.
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Sadly...
Peter Perry 26th Oct 2010
@CobraA1 Sadly you're right about several things... The UI doesn't need the stupid Mac induced menu bar (that thing makes my brain hemorrhage it is so often inconvenient)... Also, the UI doesn't have a polished look like Windows and OS X have... Going even further the color scheme was just incredibly crappy!
@Peter Perry I never chose a tool based on the color of the handle. Never made much sense. My Gnome background is basic black - in other words "none". I'm no artist, I guess, but I feel like art belongs in the eye/ear of the beholder, not on the deskop distracting attention from my work.
The two bars was a bad idea - it violated KISS and gave the user too many controls.

A lot of people like the top bar. You can eliminate (or add) that top bar if you want to. Are you complaining for the sake of complaining?

I'm sure the power user loves staring at dozens of controls, but the average user only really needs a small subset of them.

Well given the mess I've seen inhabiting many a windoze taskbar, that statement of yours is specious at best.
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@ahh so these wars never produce positive result...see it definitily effect these both tooo
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Why Windows-like UI?
CyberAngel 25th Oct 2010
It should Mac-like
and underneath of Mac+Linux is kinda-unix(TM)
@CyberAngel
Hell no!
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Desktop Linux - What a joke
jackbond 25th Oct 2010
I'm sure the serial killers are delighted by the news.
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@jackbond
Watch out for those serial killers.
I like the gnome desktop, will have to see with Unity.

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I'm keeping an open mind about Unity. If it winds up blowing snot, then back to Xfce I go.
Jeez, what a bunch of bureaucrats. The good news is that if they succeed in creating a user interface that the masses will want to use once they get over having a ego problem the remainder of the open source crowd can switch over to the Ubuntu model.
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Honestly!
Peter Perry 26th Oct 2010
@balsover I tried this interface on a netbook and My thoughts literally were, why don't they use this interface in Ubuntu? It isn't really better looking (they will need to work on that) but it does flow much better and it eliminates the me too approach that Linux has been using for years.
fall under the GNU license?
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@frgough I'll bet whatever you like:
https://launchpad.net/unity
"Licenses: GNU GPL v3, GNU LGPL v3"

Now how much do folks want to bet that frgough is just a troll? wink
@balsover I will not be convinced "they succeeded" until they reach about 10% or so on desktops. Until then, I consider Linux on the desktop to be a niche market.

The Linux people themselves have pretty big egos - take a look at how many times they "predicted" they'd take over the desktop, but failed. Maybe once they get over their own ego problems, they'll start designing stuff for people besides themselves.

"We're just doing this in our spare time for ourselves, not for you" is a mantra I've seen repeated across many open source projects, including popular ones like Pidgin. The result is a UI designed by techies, for techies, and completely out of touch with what most people want.

It's not really a big mystery why Linux doesn't take off on the desktop. Linux devs tend to explain away UI issues ("but you can customize it") rather than deal with them directly.
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Not surprised!
Alex Costa - http://itechlog.com Updated - 29th Oct 2010
@balsover The problem is that Ubuntu is already known for its practice of taking when it suits them and not contributing much. Breaking up with Gnome is just adding insult to injury.
I think they are basically sticking to the old gnome interface. Unity is little more than a gnome interface with a dock on the side. I don't see the great advantage of gnome shell (3.0). Gnome shell won't support compiz, which many users have come to like. Furthermore, they probably fear a debacle of the initial gnome release, remember KDE?

I really don't think the desktop must be reinvented. This is a good move.
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It can't be like Microsoft
Yagotta B. Kidding 25th Oct 2010
because that's "me too:" derivative, boring.

It's can't be different, though, because users (and especially reviewers) get hives when computers [1] don't work as expected.

[1] Apple excepted, of course.
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Not true
Peter Perry 26th Oct 2010
@Yagotta B. Kidding Unity works and it actually has that iOS appeal to it in that you have to be an idiot if you have trouble using it.
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The only hope for Ubuntu
tonymcs@... Updated - 25th Oct 2010
is to copy the Win 7 UI down to the smallest detail. If it looks like a real OS, it may have a chance of actually being used, which by any measurement, it's not at the moment.
@tonymcs@...
hardly anyone runs Windows because its a great UI... its not very good... they run Windows because the software they want to run usually requires Windows, so they have no choice.
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Actually...
Peter Perry 26th Oct 2010
@doh123 I stuck with Windows over OS X because of the UI but Balmer and company have taken the old familiar look from me in Windows 7 and that has been one of the biggest complaints about the OS.
foists on them at work, and they need to have one at home for compatibility when their boss makes them work on a weekend.
@doh123
Not true, because compatibility becomes a problem with each new major Windows upgrade and always has been. People use Windows because it is the best and most user friendly OS -- period.
@frgough

90% of people in the world run Windows because they use it at work? What a load of absolute rubbish!

We can disprove this through some simple observations. A typical manual worker has what contact with Windows at work? 'None' I hear you say? So what is his rationale for buying a Windows PC as his home computer? Does he have no alternatives? Has this person never heard of Apple, or Linux? Hardly! Everyone, including the media and their pet cats are bleating about Apple all the time. Linux is too difficult to install, use, configure, so it is not a viable alternative for a typical home PC.

What about the fact that many OS's are free? Doesn't seem to help much does it? - everyone still uses Windows, including the budget concious enterprise.

We use Windows it because it just WORKS with the widest range of quality apps and games, supports the widest range of hardware and provides the most intuitive user experience.

Apple popularity has surged, but Apple OS is a novelty - Apples are like a rubbish action flick - full of special effects, with no substance. Linux on the other hand is full of substance, but is really a toy for those of us who like to play with something techie. If you want to actually do something useful, you need Windows.

The 'I am forced to use it at work' lie is getting really boring...
Ubuntu will do just fine.

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Finally! Someone in the Linux Realm Gets It!
jpr75_z Updated - 25th Oct 2010
I have been reading articles recently reporting the utter failure of Linux as a desktop OS. And they are right. Linux is dull, boring, derivative and still too complicated for the average user. Perhaps Canonical finally gets it and will give Linux the UI it deserves. Even as a die hard Windows fan - I can't wait to see what they come up with.
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@jpr75_z
You and others have given the best advertisement for Linux. Linux is a lot less complicated than you think.

Its nice that we have the Freedom to chose what OS we run.
Thanks again for your advertisement.

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Its nice that we have the Freedom to chose what OS we run.

I'd like to see that freedom be offered pre-installed on new laptops instead of having to erase the windoze cabal everytime I want to change. Right now, only Dell takes it half-way seriously.
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It's Got To Be Easy To Use For Grandma
ggodwin@... 25th Oct 2010
The value of any UI is how intuitive it is-

Intuitive = easy to use

Easy to use = ubiquity

Windows however flawed is ubiquitive because it is the easiest OS to learn for most people. Don't blame this on the customer- it is the responsibility of the writer(s) of the
OS to make it intuitive.

I want an open source alternative to Windows that is at least as intuitive as Windows- there is a huge opportunity for the open source community to fill that void- I suspect the Ubuntu community will eventually get there.
@ggodwin@... Windows rose to fame because it was cheap and easy to use compared to using DOS... or OS/2... etc...

Then Windows got so large, most all of the good software required Windows, so people starting using Windows because they had no choice... the software they wanted to use required Windows.

Windows is still giant, not because its good... not because the UI is pretty, not because it works good, not because MS has made it better... but because most all the software people want to run still requires it.... and that its the only thing most people know how to use.... and it comes on almost all the computer sold. People don't often choose Windows because its Windows, they choose it because its either on the computer already, or they have no choice because of the software they need to run.
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mandated it in the workplace.
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You can repeat it as much as you want
Michael Alan Goff 26th Oct 2010
Even without corporate, Linux would have never taken off. OSX would still be overpriced (at least to the majority). What does that leave? Yep. Windows.
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Cut the crap, @geoff999
ahh so Updated - 27th Oct 2010
It's all about Micro$oft and it's illegal behavior and the feeble legal wrist slap they got in return.
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Been saying it since forever.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 25th Oct 2010
Ubuntu has the biggest community, the most enthusiasm and I have tried every Ubuntu since probably 2005. I have been (and install for anyone who wants Linux) PCLinuxOS, Mandrake, Suse (before they dumped KDE) and for the last two years, Mandriva. It is, imho, a much easier UI. Kubuntu was (said this for years), a great effort but always felt kind of like a kludge. When you look at KDE with two one stop shopping sessions (Configure desktop and Configure Computer) with everything easy (KDESU has always been what I think is a great solution).

If you love Ubuntu, that's great, but again, KDE has always been my newbie choice because it is so easy to teach and just let users loose on.

TripleII
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Ubuntu Nextbook Remix
PlayFair 26th Oct 2010
I have had nothing but trouble so far with install Linux on my old Dell D600 laptop. With Fedora 13 (Which works like a gem in Virtualbox on my i7 Quad core Sony laptop) the laptop crawls, especially if I open Firefox. Chrome was 100% better (exactly why I switched on Windows), but still there would be these ridiculous slowdowns. I installed Ubuntu Netbook Remix and it is faaaar better, but I have a few huge issues. 1) Mutter crashes every single time I so much as highlight an icon in the menu. The top menu bar is not as finnicky. 2) The 32 MB Video care seems to be insufficient or too old, but I can't find a way to turn of the effects.

Anyone have any ideas?

I'm almost on the verge of giving up and just reinstalling XP, which ran quite well.
@PlayFair They are porting Unity to Compiz.
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Yeah
Peter Perry 26th Oct 2010
@PlayFair Get a better laptop! We used those laptops like 8 years ago.
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Yeah its easy. . .for you!
awildthingy 26th Oct 2010
Is ubuntu easy to learn, well I agree and disagree. See, we (all who bother with tech news) have foundation of knowledge that has built up over the years of dealing with computers. We know when to cut instead of copy, if someone deletes a shortcut off the desktop we can fix it or find any of the other places where the program is referenced too and if we don't know the answer we know how to find the right one. We dont even have to think about it.

Pulling out Ubuntu (even the newest ver) on your own, especially with only a limited understanding of windows, I just don't see that happening well. Now Microsoft has a strong suit in the area of low-level computer users because if that person has a problem or question he can ask around and find the answer fairly quickly, when in ubuntu he would have to find the one guy who knows (likely the one who installed it for him in the first place. . . I've gotten that a lot)

A new clean interface really could be the holy grail. They have already mostly solved the application installing/uninstalling pitfalls (apple even copied some of their ideas on it). Fix the UI (no one should need to know how to create a launcher) and I think the seas will part.
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