Was Apple right? Adobe Flash crashes twice during mobile demo
Summary: With the spotlight on Adobe Flash for mobile, thanks to Apple's distaste for it, an onstage demo of Flash crashing twice doesn't help the cause.
updated below with response from Ryan Stewart
Nothing sucks more than being on stage in front of a bunch of techies and having your demo crash on you twice. Actually, the only way that sucks more is if you're Adobe and it's Flash that's crashing on a mobile device, forcing folks to wonder if Steve Jobs was right about the stability of Flash.
This incident happened last week at FlashCamp Seattle, according to a blog post by Jeff Croft, a Seattle developer who also moderated a panel at the event. Flash Platform evangelist Ryan Stewart was demoing Flash Player 10.1 on a Nexus One phone during the opening keynote when things went bad and then got worse. Croft wrote in his blog:
Here’s what happened: On his Mac, Ryan pulled up a site called Eco Zoo. It is, seemingly, a pretty intense example of Flash development — full of 3D rendering, rich interactions, and cute little characters. Then, he pulled up the same thing on his Nexus One. The site’s progress bar filled in and the 3D world appeared for a few seconds before the browser crashed. Ryan said (paraphrasing), “Whoops! Well, it’s beta, and this is an intense example — let’s try it again.” He tried it again and got the same result. So he said to the audience, “Well, this one isn’t going to work, but does anyone have a Flash site they’d like to see running?” Someone shouted out “Hulu.” Ryan said, “Hulu doesn’t work,” and then wrapped up his demo, telling people if they wanted to try more sites they could find him later and he’d let them play with his Nexus One.
Ouch.
To be fair, Croft notes that the problem with Hulu may not be the fault of Adobe and may be more with Hulu - but no one knows for sure. Also, he notes that Flash on Android is beta, which means it's expected to be "crashy and buggy" at this stage.
Still, the natives are getting restless, he says, and are anxious to see a full Flash player that works well on mobile. A demo that crashes does little to help build confidence around a product or to prove that it's almost ready for prime time.
Under normal circumstances, a crash at during an on-stage demo at a techie conference might have been no big deal. But the public sparring between Adobe and Apple over Flash has put the topic into the spotlight.
The pressure is on for Adobe. Croft is right in suggesting that Adobe avoid any more demos until it's really solid.
Update: Ryan Stewart posted a comment on the talkbacks that's worth reading. In addition, he also posted a response about what went wrong and an update - as well as a video - on how it's supposed to work. That, too, is also worth checking out.
Related coverage:
- Microsoft on Adobe: Flash has "issues" but remains important
- Adobe CTO: Apple trying to wall off the Web; Jobs as railroad baron?
- Apple vs. Adobe on antitrust: Should regulators dictate what's in an SDK?
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To be fair, maybe you should have skipped this article, since no one knows
Knows what?
That Adobe Flash crashed repeatably when demoed on a "super phone" by an Adobe employee?
Or that Flash has yet to run successfully on a mobile phone?
Either way, Adobe screwed the pooch on demos. Always know what you are going to demo and make sure it works; be ready for crashes and have a good backup plan.
RE: Was Apple right? Adobe Flash crashes twice during mobile demo
This is the same kind of issue Flash has had ever since Adobe's purchase of Macromedia. Until Adobe fixes that problem, they don't stand a chance.
Spot the Apple troll....
Your last point is relevant and we need to assume that the guy was fairly confident, but something went far more wrong in real life.... otherwise they've been real dumb. Then again we all get complacent from time to time.
RE: Was Apple right? Adobe Flash crashes twice during mobile demo
RE: Was Apple right? Adobe Flash crashes twice during mobile demo
RE: Was Apple right? Adobe Flash crashes twice during mobile demo
Sam Diaz in classic form.
A Beta that is over a year late.
Flash has slipped and slipped and slipped again. By the time Flash is kinda working on a mobile platform, the iPhone (if we take it as the first smart phone to ship with a pretty capable browser) will be 3.5 to 4 years old.
There will be 100's of million of smart phones that will be left out of Flash since it is looking like a 1GHz processor and 256MB RAM will be minimum. This will include WinMo 6.5 phones, phones like the Motorola Droid and the first 3 iPhones; all phone simply lacking the hardware to run Flash.
Flash on mobile has lots to concerned about.
Facts mean absolutely nothing
RE: Was Apple right? Adobe Flash crashes twice during mobile demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpI6gA9cuME
RE: Was Apple right? Adobe Flash crashes twice during mobile demo
Here's the thing: if you're going to demo something on stage at a conference, I would hope that you put the demo through many practice runs before doing it in front of a crowd. Assuming that was done, it's unfortunate that the crashes happened during the demo because it lends to the argument about the platform being unstable.
That's all I'm saying. It's not necessarily an endorsement for Apple's position.
RE: Was Apple right? Adobe Flash crashes twice during mobile demo
So mostly just a presenter fail. I upgraded my Player version after getting home and reading Jeff's post and recorded on the newer build. Stay tuned for Google I/O.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y7XJI4NN7k
=Ryan
ryan@adobe.com
Stuff happens
Looking forward to Flash 10.1. Hopefully full support for CrystalHD on Linux. We need it:-)
RE: Was Apple right? Adobe Flash crashes twice during mobile demo
Upon reading this blog post, I opened the link to Eco Zoo in a new tab on my MacBook Pro 10.5.8 with Flock. I have FlashBuilder installed on my machine so I got 3 scripting error, which I "continued", and got a blank screen. A refresh started the site.
RE: Was Apple right? Adobe Flash crashes twice during mobile demo
RE: Was Apple right? Adobe Flash crashes twice during mobile demo
BTW most users have no idea if they are running current flash player versions or not nor any understanding as to why keeping it up to date is important. I frequently see people still running Flash 6!
Hard to believe??????
?????? that this hadn't been tested before hand. You showed the same demo at SXSW and it crashed there as well. I really hope Adobe can work things out before the "flash is too buggy" stigma grows any further.
Flash is a buggy security nightmare
RE: Was Apple right? Adobe Flash crashes twice during mobile demo