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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Why Motorola is open to Windows Phone 7: Cutthroat Android competition

By | August 9, 2011, 1:16pm PDT

Summary: Motorola Mobility’s chief is open to Windows Phone 7 and that’s a good idea. Here’s why.

Motorola Mobility CEO Sanjay Jha indicated that he was open to Microsoft’s Windows Phone 7 operating system and there are a bevy of good reasons why such a move may make sense.

Fierce Wireless reported that Jha was “completely open” to Microsoft as a platform. Jha has to be open to Microsoft. Why? Motorola Mobility will have to diversify at some point because the Android device market is hyper competitive. Think you can sell an Android device for $299? You can, but the window is pretty short. Motorola’s Atrix is in AT&T’s bargain bin now for $99.

Every day Jha is in a dogfight with HTC and Samsung for Android market share. This Nielsen graphic tells the tale.

Now Jha barely thinks three smartphone operating systems will survive, but if Windows Phone 7 proves viable Motorola Mobility will see it as an option. Here’s why:

  • Android devices can’t hold pricing and that will kill Motorola Mobility margins over the long run.
  • The challenge to come up with differentiating features for Android devices will be tricky. Motorola Mobility has been playing to the enterprise.
  • Motorola Mobility will need to diversify at some point.
  • Intellectual property issues could also hurt the Android cost structure. Motorola Mobility’s patent portfolio is strong so it’s unlikely to be targeted like HTC, but there may be some unknown costs ahead for Android device manufacturers. With Microsoft, you’d at least have your patent ducks in a row.

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RE: Why Motorola is open to Windows Phone 7: Cutthroat Android competition
Damien_666 2nd Nov
@paul2011
Bingo !
Windows Phone 7 is fast but it is like taking the Windows XP / Vista / 7 start menu and making a phone UI out of it... That is literally all there is to it and it really isn't all that attractive either.

Personally, I think Ms needs a better theme before the phone becomes attractive to many peole.
@Peter Perry
If Windows Phone 7 is like Windows XP start menu then iOS is like Windows 3.1 program manager.

I think that WP7 is awesome. People just do not know. They think about windows mobile or do not think at all.
@paul2011 Actually, iOS is more like a Palm Pilot Knock Off.
@paul2011
I like WP7 because I understand the interface.
Other people don't like it therefore they don't understand the interface.
Yeah...makes sense???
@Peter Perry

iOS is exactly like a Palm Pilot knock off.

It's just one heck of a knock off -- better than the original in almost every way (although there are still quite few things the Treo can do that an iPhone can't).
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@paul2011 : Windows 3.1 put Microsoft where it is now... with all it's shortcomings...

There are several problems with Windows Phone 7 and not all are technical at all.

From a purely technical standpoint, WP7 is a great interface but with an extremely difficult to maintain framework. Contrary to Apple, which uses it's own APIs to create any new app (including Game Center, iMessage, etc.) and thus is in a level ground with it's app providers, Microsoft does not use either XNA nor Silverlight to create the core WP7 "experience". That is mostly C++ under Silverlight for Windows Embedded. This makes it hard for Microsoft to keep the APIs up to date and add new functionality. Two teams. Two separate problems.

From a pure commercial point of view, Windows Phone 7 has a key problem. You need to *USE* it to convince yourself it is worthwhile. The problem is that tens of thousands of cell phone kiosks only have non-functional dummies and since most people need no demo for iPhone and Android has grown by word of mouth, there's no way this kiosks can lure people into WP7. Larger outlets (like Verizon stores) get higher margins on other phones, so that makes that even tougher. Only great looking Nokia phones could turn the tide, but we know Nokia is MIA in the U.S.
@Peter Perry You couldn't be any MORE wrong. Have you even LOOKED at the damned thing? I actually own a Windows Phone and NEVER could I EVER compare it to any variant of a Windows desktop Start menu...absolutely NONE of the aforementioned start menus display anything that REMOTELY looks like the tiled Metro UI of Windows Phone 7.
@MediaCastleX Really? The tiles are the only part of the first two screens that are remotely different...

With the Window 7 Start Menu you have two halves... the left half can be used for items you pin to the Start menu like it is on the phone... the right half is for settings, media access and applications and this is much like the screen to the right of the start screen.

As for themes though, I think they really should look at a Monochrome High contrast Theme for the Tiles and backgrounds... This would make the content and images standout quite a bit.
@MediaCastleX
I have (and love) a Windows phone, too. But when you're on your start screen on your WP, click the start button in your W7 installation. See all those "quick links" to the things you use most? Now, look back at your tiles on your WP. Next, click the "all programs" link at the bottom of the start menu in W7 and tap the arrow on your WP. See those alphabetical list of programs?

Sorry, but WP7 is almost exactly like the start button.

However, unlike @Peter Perry, I don't consider than a slam. The start button and WP are both awesome.
@Peter Perry look I'm sorry! but you're just WRONG...
@MediaCastleX I can't be too far off if you felt the need to respond 2x.
@Peter Perry just by your comment i can tell that you're a windows phone 7 hater cause anybody who uses windows phone 7 whether they hate the experience or love it, they will tell you that the phone is very modern, sleek, intuitive, attractive and elegant those types of descriptions so for saying what you said i can tell that you never even tried wp7, I own Dell venue pro and its by far the best phone ive ever used it makes the previous Android and my Iphone 3gs feel like stone age devices. im looking forward to the Mango update and i love the fact that its so different from anything else out ther but in a good way.

wp7 is by far the most modern and attractive OS out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZML1LzClT4&feature=relmfu
@bxbbrian Actually, you couldn't be more wrong... I don't hate any of these phones, not even the iPhone (don't care for Apple's policies with it).

Now ask yourself this, would I have bothered to compliment it on the speed of the OS if I hated the thing?

Seriously, there's a reason it is still losing market share and that reason has to do with its looks.
@bxbbrian

If you say so. Attractive is subjective. I, for instance, don't find it attractive. Modern? Well, that's can have more objective parts, but what exactly makes it more modern?
@Peter Perry

WP is drop-dead gorgeous. Its troubles have nothing to do with its looks.

The phones are 1-2 year old tech, there are only a few models, there haven't been ads for any of them in months, and the OS can't do simple and absolutely-necessary-to-compete things like multitask. Multitask (my old Palm Treo multitasked worlds better than WP)!!! Or browse modern Websites. Or send video MMS messages. Or send multiple documents in an attachment -- or even receive documents any way other than by email (or off the Web). Or run native code. Or support synchronous multiplayer gaming. Or allow 3rd party applications access to your contacts. Or do descent instant messaging. Or support augmented reality (or any other camera function). Or tether. Or do HDMI out. Or support a front-facing camera. Etc.

Most of these issues will be fixed with the fall update -- but not all. There will still be shortcomings, but WP will be a lot more complete. Right now, it is only for enthusiasts and really not usable by those without a lot of patience. This fall, WP will be a viable option for the masses. In other words, it will (only finally) be "good enough."

As a user of WP who sees its many virtues -- and they are many -- I think it has a very bright future.
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Maybe, Maybe not. One thing is certain
William Farrell 9th Aug
@Peter Perry
that Android is being thrown onto some pretty low-end (read "not the greatest") hardware as it sounds like it's the only way to make a decent profit margin.

All three platforms will survive, the problem is how many cell phone manufactures will if left with only two OS?
@William Farrell I am not saying kill it, I am saying refine it. The very fact that you cannot use full custom themes without hacking the phone is a real issue to me as I really do not want teletubby accents.

The speed of the OS however is enough to have anyone wanting to give it a shot but you have to pull them in somehow and that somehow is presentation.
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@Peter Perry

"Windows Phone 7 is fast but it is like taking the Windows XP / Vista / 7 start menu and making a phone UI out of it.."

Hugghhh?????? Really?????? I mean Android is a poor quality knock off with no originality but WP7 has some very unique design goals with their various hubs. The design is very clean and well thought out.

Some of the things Mango brings to the table are darned impressive when compared to either iOS or CopycatOS (Android).
@Bruizer Keep dreaming man... You just hate Android and Love Apple so it is any chance to knock it.
From a design and implementation standpoint. Chief among them is the single worst implementation of multi-tasking on any resource limited mobile device. YOu seem to have no idea just how bad Android's multi-tasking is. It is the chief reason battery consumption can be anywhere from unusable to great; on the same device.

It has serious usability issues with the biggest one being getting media on and off the device. Gingerbread has started to address this but even the dual mounting of SD card shows lots to be desired.

Cut/Copy/Paste is horridly implemented with different behaviors across different applications. Contacts different than the browser different text edit fields... Gingerbread helped this a bit but not lots.

The browser is so so and is anything but smooth. It is OK on Tegra II class hardware but way behind the responsiveness of iOS devices. Enable Flash and it is a RPITA to use.

What is the obsession with having to manage what radios are turned on to get any reasonable battery life? Any decently designed OS is smart enough to do that part for the user. Oh wait. Decently designed.

Android is thrown together and hacked together and it really feels like it. WP7 actually has some sweet design aspects and Mango raises the bar for every one. Even for Apple's iOS but especially for Android.

Android is great for people that want to tinker and geek out and spend all day flipping hundreds to configuration switches. If you want 50,000 different animated wall-papers it is great as well.

If you want to actually get something done and use your phone as a tool. Consider something else.
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@ Bruizer

I absolutely agree that Android's multitasking is crap. My Android mobile becomes so slow and unresponsive when it's downloading/installing app updates (which are rather frequent) that it's effectively unusable -- rather inconvenient if someone's trying to phone. I've also noticed that I have to manually turn various radios on and off to get good battery life -- quite a joke on a 'modern' device, especially when Windows notebooks have been effectively managing that sort of thing for years.

Linux power management is always dismal on PCs, and can never even come close to Windows, but you'd think Google and their partners would invest sufficient resources to add decent power management to Android devices. Apparently not. It's more surprising that the scheduling is so bad (e.g. allowing background tasks to make the UI so unresponsive), since a well configured Linux PC typically multitasks reasonably well.

When it comes to mobile operating systems, I suppose the hardware vendors get what they pay for. I've never used Windows Phone 7, but I'd be amazed if it's close to being as bad as Android.
@Peter Perry You Sir are an Idiot! Live tiles, Metro UI is not Windows Desktop. Iphone/ipad with its gris of icons looks dated!!!!!!!!!
@jatbains The tiles are the only real difference on those two main screens. Boy you guys are Rabid... I noticed the similarities of the main screens and you guys act like I slapped your mom for having you!
@Peter Perry

You really haven't used one have you Peter.

Using the current Mango release and it should be marketed with the phrase

"You don't need an app for that"

as its integrated features far outshine the patchwork apps of Apple and Android. Seriously, spend 3-4 hours with the phone, see what its like to use a tool that is a product of research and design, rather than copying the sad, old, crowded desktop approach.

Apart from the obvious better functionality of WP7, you can put an iPhone down next to my HTC Mozart and my phone looks more modern, is slimmer and lighter and it doesn't need a case and while there are over 27,000 apps available, I don't need to download ones for basic funcitonality such as local scout, vision and audio search as well as bar code and text recognition etc etc - I even have a camera button that works immediately.

Really Peter, try and use one for a while before you make such ridiculous claims.
@tonymcs@... I have used one, I was thinking about grabbing the Trophy as it is the only version on Verizon... Anyway, can you really deny that the two screen layout is reminiscent of the Windows Start Menu?

Here's a clue man, it was the same company that made them and it is called Windows Phone.
@Peter Perry
Since when does the Outlook icon in the XP Start Menu display the number of unread e-mails and the next couple of appoitnments? Must have missed that...

The hubs are also an excellent idea, although protectionism from brands like Flickr mean they haven't shown their full potential, yet...

I just hope that Microsoft do a better job of mutli-tasking / app switching than Apple did with the iPhone... That crippled performance and killed battery life.
@Peter Perry

...it is like taking the Windows XP / Vista / 7 start menu and making a phone UI out of it

After decades of operating system UIs being simply application launchers, I can see how you could draw that comparison. In fact, iOS and Android are simply extensions of this paradigm to the phone form factor. Admittedly, you *could* use Windows Phone this way, but it is analgous to using the command-line to launch all of your applications in Windows.

The power of pinning things to the start screen is difficult to convey. First and foremost, the idea is to show the information that you need without ever launching an application. For instance, i have 8 people pinned to my start screen. I can see if they have updated Facebook, posted a new picture, or sent me a messsage (text, email, Facebook, or otherwise). This is baked into the operating system. It doesn't require 3rd party applications and does not tax the battery. And yes, it is a much, much better experience than Android widgets.

Neither the Windows start menu nor taskbar convey this kind of information. If anything, the Windows 8 start screen resembles Windows Phone, not the other way around.
@Peter Perry

???? Your thinking windows mobil 5.x-6.x

why dont you go to a phone store and see a new model?
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anybody remember how many OEM's went under during those heady days? To many to count actually and so it will be again with Android. I think the same thing will eventually happen to Android tablets as well. Depending of course that they eventually get off the ground in terms of sales that is:)

Pagan jim
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@ James Quinn

Apple were blindsided by the rapid fall in Wintel PC prices, and Spindler's attempt to compete on price (abandoning Gassee's 'premium' strategy) to preserve/gain market share is what nearly killed Apple.

Apple may have an advantage against Android, however, compared with Wintel PCs. PC margins were thin, but Microsoft and Intel made (and still make) enormous profits on Windows and x86 CPUs, respectively, which allowed them to continue to develop the platform (and they developed it so effectively that even Apple eventually adopted PC hardware, and nearly adopted Windows NT at one point too).

With Android, it doesn't look like anyone's really making much money on it. It's essentially crapware Google are dumping on the market to protect their advertising business from potential challenges (from Apple, Microsoft, etc.). If Apple can collect the bulk of the profit from the smartphone market, they may be able to stay ahead (not in market share, but in the value of their smartphone business versus the overall Android business) and avoid a Mac-like fate for the iPhone and iPad.
The time for Motorola to get on board with WP7 is now. IF they don't want to find themselves in the middle of a lawsuit they need to get WP7 on their phones.
Aren't Motorola and Microsoft having a legal discussion about patents? Becoming a WP7 licensee would clear that issue up for them as well wink
some serious software and services differentiation. They are stuck on the tracks and the Nokia freight train is barreling down on them. They are going to get slaughtered if they haven't already started their WP compete initiative.
Android is in big deep legal sh*t and there would be nothing left after all those 40 or so lawsuits is settled. MS is 'licencing android' every week to different firms. Motorola is smelling trouble in android ship and is trying to warm up with old pal MS before the pirate ship sinks.

Man... wondering who will have the last laugh.
@owlnet
Probably Apple as they continue to make more and more money while MS and Google fight it out.
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Microsoft is extracting payment from Motorola, so as a result despite Google giving Android away free, Microsoft has done deals to make Windows Mobile is similar or cheaper for Motorola produce. Combine this with many Android handsets out and Microsoft has got another win on their. Just the news today that the Microsoft contract with Nokia has no stopped Symbian in the US, Nokia going all the way with Windows Mobile. Microsoft's power in full view.
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crazy..
reviewsgirl 9th Aug
Why would they do that?
The only problem I have with my WP7 is that everyone ask me if it's an Iphone. They see me talk to it and it looks stuff up and they want that ap! (It's the Bing search). I am very much looking forward to text to speech and other voice features. (Android already has some now and I'm jealous.)
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Wow...
dcristof 22nd Aug
Lots of dipstick analysis by those who haven't even used it.

Windows phone will be a force at one point or another. It will just take time.

Remember, iPhone 1 came out with no Exchange support and no 3G; I passed and stayed with my Treo.

Mango with good hardware (fast processors, good cameras, hi res displays and good thin form factors) will be a hit. MSFT has the money to burn to bring it to top of mind.

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