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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Windows 7: A sound of thunder

By | January 15, 2009, 7:00am PST

Summary: The amazing thing about Windows marketing is that everything a user might want is always available in the next version. Try and ignore the marketing thunder and check out a version of Linux. You might just find it gets you off the Windows upgrade treadmill for good.

Windows 7: A sound of thunderI didn’t want to write this column. I live as Windows-free an existence as most people can these days. Of course I have to run Windows as part of my job, in order to make sure that Samba, the software I write, will interoperate correctly with all the multiple Windows versions out there. I also have to install some Windows applications using the Open Source Wine project, which emulates Windows on Linux well enough that some binary Windows applications will install and run straight off the DVD. Like most people, there are some Windows applications I just can’t do without, although in this case it’s my three-year-old son who finds an amazing amount of joy in his toddler games, none of which have yet been ported to Linux. Wine works amazingly well these days for this sort of thing, well enough that my wife no longer complains about the computer “being hard to use”.

However, Windows hasn’t been my desktop environment for about seven years now. I have found I have no need for it; a Linux desktop does everything I need to do very well. That’s not easy to do, as I’m not a casual user. I do tend to have  rather demanding requirements for my desktop, as regular readers of this column might note.

Yet Microsoft’s recent announcements about “Windows 7″, the new version of Windows, find me sitting here feeling I have no choice but to discuss it, or be drowned out as a hopelessly irrelevant columnist. This is the power of the marketing megaphone of the monopoly player on the desktop, even though it isn’t my desktop.

According to Microsoft, Windows 7 is the version of Windows everyone has been waiting for. According to the “What’s New” section of the Windows 7 website  it will be “Faster and Easier”, it will “Work your way”, and give you “New Possibilities”. I must confess it sounds less than thrilling to me, but these are the things the Windows marketers thought it was worth pointing out about the new “center of people’s technological solar system” — to quote Steve Ballmer.

But wait a minute. Let’s get in the time machine, go back a few years and take our foot off the crushed butterfly of Windows Vista and look at what was promised for the previous version of Windows. Windows Vista is “safer and more reliable” and there were “dozens of wonderful new features”. Dozens! After five and a half years in development, there are dozens of new features.

Of course I’m being overly critical here — more than a touch of sarcasm — but I’m sure you get the point. The amazing thing about the world of Windows marketing is that everything a user might want is always available in the next version of Windows. Up until the time that version is released, then after a year or so of the reality of the software sinks in, and the upgrade drums start to beat about how wonderful the next version of Windows is going to be.

I’m reminded of the fictional TV show “Treadmill to Bucks” invented by Stephen King in his wonderful Science Fiction novel The Running Man (Don’t confuse this with the Hollywood movie of the same name. Just read the book. In fact, try and
forget the movie ever existed, for all Hollywood adaptations of Steven King except “The Shining”.)  Destitute patients with a heart condition are “invited” to answer questions on camera whilst walking on a treadmill of ever increasing speed to try and earn money for their relatives. This Windows treadmill never stops, and the endless stream of bucks being spent are those of Microsoft’s customers, forever on the road to upgrade nirvana.

I got off this ride some time ago, but surely this must be irritating to customers who just want a version that doesn’t become considered obsolete junk as soon as the next version is discussed in the press.

But Windows 7 does seem to be different. The main difference is that it is being massively rushed out the door of Redmond, in rather an unseemly haste. The reason of course is the disaster that was Windows Vista. The marketing hype for Vista is barely dry on the page and yet we’re being told Windows 7 is the version everyone has really been waiting for. It does seem that Windows Vista was a failure of epic proportions for Microsoft and the job of the marketing people is now to convince their customers to skip Vista and move directly to Windows 7. A more honest assessment of the Windows 7 hype might be “forget Vista, this is the Windows you really want to upgrade to!”

Yet don’t think this means customers have switched to alternative systems — the lock in effects of the monopoly are far too powerful for that. Both MacOS X and Linux do seem to have enjoyed some modest gains in popularity on the desktop, Linux mainly outside of the USA where disposable income is less, but the majority of desktops are still firmly Windows. No, Windows 7 isn’t competing against Linux, Windows 7’s main competitor is Windows XP.

Windows XP was so successful, so widespread, that the desire of most customers would be to keep that version around for a much longer time, with updates and security patches as needed, but no radical new version to install. No forced upgrades.

The irony of course is that this is exactly what most modern Linux distributions provide. Yes, they churn new releases out every six months, a change rate much faster than that of Windows. But, unlike Windows, this is a treadmill where the customer — not the vendor — has their hand on the speed control. Customers can and do decide to get off the exercise machine, and stay on a particular release that meets their needs and upgrade at their own pace, not at the requirements of a third party. Because the code is Open Source, even if the vendor does not support an older version anymore, there are third parties who can be contracted to maintain versions indefinitely. I know this works as there are companies who do this work for my own project, Samba. When the security patch stream runs out from the code creators there are people who will work for hire to take fixes and back-port them to versions we no longer support. We don’t mind, it takes a support load off the Samba Team. Everybody wins.

All of this doesn’t help Windows desktop customers, though. The lock-in means that not only does Linux have to be better than Windows, it has to be a better Windows than Windows, and run all the custom applications that customers have come to depend on over the years. This is a hard job for any operating system, especially when the target to be emulated is as deliberately baroque as the Windows application environment.

Coming at the time of an economy in recession, it looks like Microsoft might actually be  scared that customers might not spend money on a Windows upgrade. There’s no way to go back in time and prevent the damage to Microsoft’s credibility done by the Windows Vista release; we’ll just have to wait and see what the future actually holds for Windows 7. In the mean time, try and ignore the marketing thunder and check out a version of Linux. You might just find it gets you off the Windows upgrade treadmill for good!

See also:

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes: Is Ubuntu becoming the generic Linux distro?

Christopher Dawson: How to switch to desktop Linux

Linux: The Joe Sixpack Strategy

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RE: Windows 7: A sound of thunder
gm52 25th Aug 2009
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Windows 7: A sound of thunder
Loverock Davidson 15th Jan 2009
I didn?t want to write this column.

And you shouldn't have. All your accusations are false. Windows Vista was not a disaster, you may think it was because you stick to reading sites like slashdot who would never print anything good about Microsoft. Even the Microsoft team debunked the Vista being terrible myth with the Mojave experiment.

Then you went on about an upgrade treadmill. Microsoft in no way forces you to upgrade. It is better if you do for the new features and enhancements with each new version of Windows. Customers can upgrade if they want, they have the choice not to and its done every couple of years which is about hardware upgrade time anyway. Compare that to the every 6 month upgrade of linux and daily patches involved with it. In fact each new version of linux doesn't offer anything new. Its just upgraded packages that still keep the same functionality as before. Nothing new, no new features, no new enhancements. Nobody cares if your grep was version 2.53 and is now version 2.54.

The bottom line is people are choosing Windows based on its technical merits and how it allows them to be productive. You can't get that kind of satisfaction from linux.
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Don't you bore yourself being such a fool?
InAction Man 15th Jan 2009
For Christ's Sake, wise up man!
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How about you debunk his arguments then?
Sleeper Service 15th Jan 2009
Hmm?

Talk is cheap, son.
Either he comes up with some fresh ones or stay silent to avoid making a fool out of himself.
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No he brings up valid points
JT82 15th Jan 2009
I am a technical user and I have tried installing Fedora 10, Mandriva 2009.1 (Powerpack), and Kubuntu 8.10 on a 2006 Dell XPS 400 - with hardware upgrades that bring it to 2008, and nothing uber propreitary to Windows.

- With Fedora? EPIC FAIL. Wouldnt even tell me why honestly...

- With Mandriva? It worked - more or less, but it has NOTHING on Windows Vista Ultimate x64. I tried upgrading Flash on Mandriva, using their package manager- EPIC FAIL. I couldnt even uninstall Flash, somehow the RPM says its there..but its not.. Plus World of Warcraft - for the most part works, but has glitches under WINE (latest version).

- With Kubuntu? Again it kind of worked, except I couldnt get WINE to run correctly and detect the hardware, which was a show stopper because I want to run World of Warcraft.

Now everything I need to do, on this 2006 computer, under Windows Vista Ultimate x64 works FLAWLESSLY - with the current SP1 and all updates applied. So how has he been debunked?
Some of the problems afflicting those distros you mention are caused by their choice of letting the Windows way influence them.
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Wow....
OhTheHumanity 15th Jan 2009
After repeated calls for you to debunk the guys assessment you still ignore. This is my biggest beef with people on here. They play politics and throw cheap shots with no debunks to be found. Maybe you are not educated enough to do so or maybe you just can't come to grips with reality? Why can't you bring some detail and some experience to the table, instead of your childish ways of throwing stones. I see this everyday and it never seems to get any better, only more vicious and childish.
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or you're just in denial.
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Hrm..i'll buy that....
JT82 15th Jan 2009
Yea it wasnt but so bad - after i did a bunch of research and found out i could "manually" install the Adobe Flash 64 (Alpha) - I couldnt get the 32-bit plugin to work at all on a 64bit installation. I read soemthing referencing NDISWRAPPER, but decided it much too complex. My point being Linux is difficult enough for the advanced/patient user and way too difficult for a regular user.

but I also have to ask, WTF? "Some of the problems afflicting those distros you mention are caused by their choice of letting the Windows way influence them"... Um how does placing a DVD into the drive and trying to run it (in the case of Fedora 10 - I was using both the 64 bit AND 32 bit live media) and it failing to run have to do with anything? If Linux was so viable, it would just "work", now wouldnt it?
For legal reasons flash cannot be shipped with regular open source packages, that's the reason it usually goes into the extras section together with acrobat, java, etc. I can't rememmber where I picked it since it was so fast and easy but I suppose it was directly from adobe. Im no fundamentalist so I mix plenty of proprietary packages with open source ones.
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Ok now you went from annoying to clueless
JT82 Updated - 15th Jan 2009
See thats the typical Linux Fanboi response...attack the user, not the OS. However, if you read what i wrote i said i READ soemthing about using NDISWRAPPER NSPLUGINWRAPPER to get 32-bit plugins to work on a 64-bit distro of Linux. I honestly have no idea - i didnt do it and have no intentions. Also if you read what i wrote earlier, i said i was using Mandriva 2009.1 (Powerpack) - MEANING it comes with the proprietary drivers/apps loaded into it because its being sold as a commerical version. So who is the clueless one now?

Also for your viewing pleasure I'll link to the talkbacks where i Posted the issues with Flash... http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12554-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=56338&messageID=1065623

Read through that thread and you'll see what im talking about. So lets try and not attack the user and look at the process. Thanks.
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re: Hrm..i'll buy that....
none none 15th Jan 2009
I read soemthing referencing NDISWRAPPER, but decided it much too complex.

It's not that hard but I take your point. It should be unnecessary in an OS that claims to have mainstream aspirations.

But does it have? I'm not sure. Obviously some people care a great deal that Linux "wins" over Windows. I'm not one of them. It works so well for me it really doesn't matter what its market share is. (And Windows' market share is unpersuasive as a reason to use it, too.) I don't care if it stays "niche" or whatever. As long as Patrick Volkerding is developing Slackware I'll be happy.

BTW one solution to the 32-/64-bit issue is to run native 32 bit unless you need >4G ram.







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Sounds Like You Didnt Try...
GameOvR 16th Jan 2009
Ubuntu. I didnt care much for Fedora or some of the other Distros, but Ubuntu for me works right out of the box on a 2006 machine. Also if you are trying them with Live CDs and expecting full functionality, its not going to happen.
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Vista flawlessly?
Pug466 16th Jan 2009
So in other words you got Kubuntu to work but you wanted Windows software to run under Linux and since you had problems you call Linux a failure. Gee I have Linux software that I can't run under Windoze so I guess Windoze a failure, too. I had Vista 64 Ultimate and it never work flawlessly even with SP1.
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re: Vista flawlessly?
WaruiKoohii 20th Jan 2009
This is the response that I'd expect from a person with the username "LinuxandMacforlife".
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I want YOU to debunk them.
Sleeper Service 15th Jan 2009
So put up or shut up.
could step in and find them yourself, them we could all debunk them together.

If you can't then just put up or shut up!
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Summary: You can't.
Sleeper Service 15th Jan 2009
OK
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Oh, you have none!
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Flounder. It's not just a fish.
Sleeper Service 15th Jan 2009
{NT}
Try harder. I'm betting on you!
I put up what I feel is important.


On an anecdotal level, i have used many systems and have found that Windows AD/GP domain and MS app servers, IIS and .NET, SQL server cannot be beaten for a company network. and Windows Vista is the best client I've ever used. As said those who replied to the Gartner poll that did roll out Vista.



...anyway when you can explain why Linux can barely be given away, without the old and tired and completely false "you are forced to buy Windows" routine, then you might have an argument. In the meantime, you are arguing a system used by less than 1% of the population.


No tired "monopoly" excuses or forced to buy myths from the 90s. What is the reason people and companies would rather pay for windows than use free software. OSS zealots have told us for many years how switching to Linux is a breeze, so that can't be it. In fact there are open source devotees that have said on zdent that if MS pulled entirely out of the EU, there would be no downtime because they could replace their windows systems easily.

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Same old same old but REAL
Mectron 15th Jan 2009
Linux at least 10 years behind for ease of use
Vista work JUST FINE. But of course Lintard and Mactard will always argue that their OS is way better...

Lintards and Mactards always seem to "need" to defedn their OS, just like some widespread religion (who shale remain nameless) need to be defended at all cost or it's felower will trash a country or two.


When is the day Linux will work out of the box?
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And...
SimonUK Updated - 16th Jan 2009
Wintards always feel the need to apologise for theirs...

Look, at least be constructive. Disagree by all means, but
petty
name calling is pointless and just starts flaming... Unless
you
are trolling of course.

Oh, btw, Ubuntu worked out of the box on both my Acer
Aspire One and Dell Vostro 1700. Neither Windows Vista
or XP do. Case in point, literally the other day I
brought a new hard drive for the Vostro. I decided on a
clean install rather than imaging the HDD, and obviously
the restore partition was no longer available to me. I
Installed Windows Vista, OpenOffice (piracy is bad kiddies,
even if you can acquire Office gratis, you really
shouldn't),and various other pieces of software/utilities. It
took the best part of a day to do, even with the Dell
driver disk for Vista and the specific model. Ubuntu, with
the same amount of extra software, took 35 minutes
including a full update to a fully useable state. No CLI
fiddling required, and 2 restarts (1 after the initial install
and 1 after the update). Vista restarted 3 times during the
install!!!
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Oh my gosh!!! Now there are two of them!
linux for me 15th Jan 2009
Loverock has a twin! Now there are two of them posting the same Microsoft butt kissing FUD and degrading much superior OS's such as linux and OSX.

Just do like I do, don't reply to them and scape them off the bottom of your shoes.
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Or in other words...
Sleeper Service 15th Jan 2009
...fail to have a convincing argument.

Oh yeah, and I actually do use Linux so your argument fails on two levels.

Sort of like Linux really. happy
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and now you claim you know something about Linux.
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He's a troll...
storm14k 15th Jan 2009
...its too easy to debunk his args.

The dumbest one however is updated packages. Updated packages include new features.
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It's too easy?
Sleeper Service 16th Jan 2009
So why hasn't anyone?

Really. I'm interested.
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Are you still living in the 1990s?
InAction Man 16th Jan 2009
Helloooo, we're in the 21st century already. All that has been thoroughly debunked more than a decade ago.

Get on with the times.
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I guess you were born yesterday.
storm14k 16th Jan 2009
If you can't see through them for yourself....

Vista was a flop...thats why 7 is in Beta right now.

How much do you want to bet 7 or at least Vista only software starts rolling out forcing you to upgrade? Remember DirectX10? http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=370

Now of course you'll go hunt for some older version of a Linux distro that won't run a current application without upgrading. But I thought the upgrades were just changing package numbers and they weren't really upgrades...so figure out which it is before you do.

Of course he doesn't really believe this stuff. I just get a kick out of those that do.
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Are we talking about...
Sleeper Service 16th Jan 2009
...the same Vista that was released 2 years ago that has about 30 to 40 times the market share of Linux which has been around for decades when we use the word 'flop'?

Just askin'.

So anyway, are you going to debunk his arguments or what?
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I just did...
storm14k 16th Jan 2009
...you just read what you wanted to read.

Yes I said flop. Last time I checked Linux was doing very well everywhere else besides the desktop. When it started it was not aimed at the desktop. In the last 4 or 5 years the desktop seems to have become a target and look at what happened. It went from something unusable as a daily PC to sparking flame wars anytime its compared to Windows. If it were still in its original state it wouldn't garner any discussion.

Vista on the other hand....well 7 is all you really have to say. If Vista was not a flop I wouldn't be able to have the 7 beta running on my next virtual desktop.
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Two points...
Sleeper Service 18th Jan 2009
1) The article is about Windows 7 which is a desktop operating system. That's why we're talking about desktops. Sure, Linux is doing mighty fine in server land but that's a different subject.

2) So if the release of Windows 7 two and a half years after Vista means the latter is a disaster what does that say for Leopard and Snow Leopard not to mention the constant iterations of desktop Linux?

Just askin'. happy
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I would have to be a fool first
Loverock Davidson 15th Jan 2009
But since I'm not I don't get bored by bringing out a logical discussion on a technical forum. Do you ever have anything constructive to say or just spend all your free time insulting people? Heh, and you wonder why people don't use linux.
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I'm your fan #1, remember?
InAction Man 15th Jan 2009
By the way, is your list of fans still growing?
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Yes it is
Loverock Davidson 15th Jan 2009
people love me here happy
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Okay, that makes one fan.
Letophoro 15th Jan 2009
He might even have another one someday. I wouldn't place any bets on it, but it could happen.
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Technical forum?
kozmcrae 16th Jan 2009
You are mistaken oh delusional one. This is where the politics of the singular proprietary business method and the organic let-your-spores-fly Open Source reality come to clash. And I see the words are accumulating like raindrops in a tropical downpour.
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great article
bishofthedump 15th Jan 2009
Excellent breakdown of the Microsoft Media Machine, highlighting mistakes which would be fatal if it weren't for the fact that Win7 actually is better than Vista and XP. As is, Microsoft will probably get away with it.

Personally, in the recent years I've gone from XP to Linux (Ubuntu) to OSX (Tiger) to Vista to Kubuntu before finally settling with OSX Leopard. The most incredible thing (bearing in mind the dark days of near-total incompatibility) was that I managed to make those transitions without any loss of data. The second most incredible thing was that the process of switching systems only impacted as a couple of weeks loss of efficiency, as it was relatively quick and easy to relearn how the new OS and software handled the same tasks in subtly different ways.

Initially, it's easy to be frustrated as you struggle to work out where they've hidden 'that' function, but across all OS's I found that Help files are increasingly well written, and most important tools are now so standard the only appreciable difference is the look of the relevant icon.

To be honest, these hoards of people pledging their unfaltering allegiances to one particular flavour of OS bewilder me. The simple fact is, no one OS is perfect, so highlighting the flaws of the ones you've chosen not to like proves nothing. What works for you is best for you, and I've found, given a little open-mindedness and a dose of patience, most OS's will work for you.

So the main complaint to be leveled at Microsoft (and, indeed Apple) is - as the article points out - the relentless media carrot and stick. The consumer keeps chasing the carrot, but never quite gets it, but is all too happy to keep on chasing it. Unfortunately, the inevitability of software for old versions of Windows (and other OS's, sometimes even Linux) becoming unsupported leaves them no choice but to keep chasing the carrot. But then, that's how the computer industry works, isn't it?
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Well said
fawlty70 15th Jan 2009
This is exactly how I feel too.

And you nailed it in the last paragraph - the problem is NOT really that MS releases new OSs, hell, doesn't the fact that so many still use XP prove that? The problem is that they drop the support for the old software. This, however, still doesn't FORCE anyone to upgrade - most users can go for ever with the same software if they choose to.
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Re: chasing the carrot
Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 15th Jan 2009
But then, that's how the computer industry
works, isn't it?




Actually that's how all tech works, heck life in
general is about chasing that damn carrot.... wink
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ROTFLMAO @ Mojave
itanalyst2@... 15th Jan 2009
Yes, the "Mojave" experiment...machines with fresh installs of Vista rigged with so much hardware it would be next to impossible to make anything crash on it because only tested software that Microsoft knew would run fine on Vista was on it.

Take your FUD elsewhere loser boy.
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Mojave was intended to show negative bias
Missing Matter 15th Jan 2009
The Mojave experiment was meant to show a negative bias existed in the marketplace against Vista due to hearsay.

The people were asked what they thought of Vista, ranked it on average a 4.4/10, then were shown "Mojave" and they ranked it 8.5/10. This shows they had never even used Vista (they couldn't even recognize the new UI), and yet formed a very negative opionon.

This experiment was not intended to show Vista is an amazing perfect OS. Vista has problems with old hardware and software, it also had some poor performance due to shoddy drivers, and still has poor performance on weak machines. All of these negatives are becoming increasingly irrelevant.

When I tried Windows 7 Beta, I was suprised how similar I found it to Vista in terms of performance. And yet, everywhere on the internet you're hearing "This is what Vista was supposed to be" coming from people who haven't taken the time to actually use Vista. This is the kind of bias Mojave was supposed to expose.
When I tried Windows 7 Beta, I was suprised how similar I found it to Vista in terms of performance.

As this has been my experience too (on a 3GHz P4, 1GB RAM system).
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There are a couple notable exceptions
Missing Matter 15th Jan 2009
Boot performance in Beta 1 is stellar. Also RAM usage is down, but I was never concerned with that since my system has 3GB. I think what a lot of people view as a speed increase is actually increased interface responsiveness.
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I think what a lot of people view as a speed increase is actually increased interface responsiveness.

I don't trust people when they say "feels more responsive". If they can't quantify it, which typically they cannot, then it's a non-starter.

I have noticed a decrease in RAM consumption as reported by Task Manager. However I have not noticed a translation into increased performance over Vista as a result. Perhaps it would be noticeable on systems with less than 1GB of RAM. Maybe something to try.
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Responsiveness - quantified...
Wolfie2K3 15th Jan 2009
I think part of the issue with "responsiveness" has to do with Vista's eye candy. When you open an app in XP or any other previous version - the window just popped up and there it was. With Vista, it just sort of fades into view. That slight delay may be what people are referring to when they say it's slow...

Just my 2 cents worth.
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Adrian got it right
daengbo 16th Jan 2009
You should re-read Adrian's blog where he benchmarked the Win7 pre-Beta against Vista and XP. Win7 won virtually every test. It will even run in my VM in 512MB RAM.

Win7 has reduced resource usage while staying competitive with Vista and XP (since they both benchmark virtually identically). That's a good thing.

This all stems from the growing netbook market and Microsoft's desire to EOL XP so that they can improve security.

I know all this, and yet, like Jerry Allison, I exclusively use Linux on the desktop, both at home and at work, and on servers.
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