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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Without Klout, Google+ is dead to me

By | August 2, 2011, 11:28am PDT

Summary: Google+ is an interesting new social medial tool. It can be great. It could be a lot of competition for Facebook but it has no Klout. And, for me, Klout is more important.

If you have anything to do with media and you haven’t discovered Klout yet, you’re behind the curve. Klout is the measure of your online influence. Media types (writer, on-air personality, podcaster, videocaster, celebrity), need to check your Klout score immediately). Very low scores (<30), need help fast. But, you won’t be able to pump it up with Google+ because they’re not connected. So, for me, that means I’m not posting anything to Google+ until it is. Twitter, Facebook, Foursquare and LinkedIn are all Klout connected. Google, if you want more acceptance, you’re going to have to have Klout or you’re dead to me.

I like Google+. I really do but it has got to get plugged in to compete with or usurp Facebook as the “Go To” Social Media outlet for users. Adoption by users will be transitory unless Google moves fast in the social media networking circles. So far, the adoption of it is slow.

The Significance of Klout

Your Klout score is kind of like your credit score: You don’t care about it until it limits you in some way. Media people may find that editors who pay attention to Klout scores will shun them if their scores aren’t high enough. Let’s face it, if you can’t influence a lot of people, you just aren’t worth as much as those who can.

I foresee a time when your Klout score will mean so much to those who pay for influence will have a sliding pay scale depending on that all-important score. Mine is pretty low today (41) because I was on vacation for eight days and didn’t tweet, didn’t post to Facebook and didn’t contribute to LinkedIn. My bad.

My score fell about one point per day. That’s a pretty tough hit on someone who needs to influence a lot of readers, advertisers and editors. I need a high score but it’s a part-time job to keep it high. We, as media folk, don’t have the advantage of a paperboy who stands on the corner shouting, “EXTRA, EXTRA, read all about it, Google+ is dead without Klout.”

Our circle of influence has replaced that paperboy with his digital equivalent: Social Media.

Joining the “Old Media” Pity Party

Many old school media moguls don’t “get” social media or services like Klout. Too bad for them. A lot of people didn’t think they needed the shouting paperboy either. Some of my non-ZDNet colleagues bemoan the use of social media for content promotion but that’s their problem. They will be left in the carbon-dated strata of the Paleozoic Era where they belong.

Things change, Times change and people must also change.

I don’t care to listen to the naysayers and grumblers about “new-fangled” this and “back in my day, we…” Who cares? Get with it or get out of the way.

And Now, Back to Google+

When I tweet, it raises my Klout score. When I Facebook and friends comment, my score goes up. Same for LinkedIn and Foursquare. Google+ gives me nothing. What’s my motivation to use it? Not much from a Klout perspective.

But, I’m motivated to acquire more friends on Google+ to help boost my score should Google decide to connect to Klout. So, if you’d like to connect, hit me up and I’ll gladly add you. Follow me on Twitter too (@kenhess). I could use the associated Klout boost.

I’d gladly use Google+ but I have so little time for social interactions that I need to maximize my influence when I do. For me, social media outlets are for promoting my writing work that I do here at ZDNet and at other places. I will carry on conversations with Twitter followers on occasion. I’ll engage you on LinkedIn on a mutual topic of interest. Heck, I’ll even jump in on some Facebook wall discussions but I’ll be darned if I waste a bunch of time on Google+ just yet.

Google+ needs Klout.

Google+, without Klout, you’re dead to me.

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Biography

Ken Hess

Kenneth 'Ken' Hess is a full-time Windows and Linux system administrator with over 15 years of experience with Mac, Linux, UNIX, and Windows systems in large multi-data center environments.

Ken writes on a variety of topics including interoperability, virtualization, data center operations, databases, and open source software. He has written and co-written books on Linux, databases, and virtualization. He currently writes a System Administration column for Linux Magazine and is a regular contributor to Linux User & Developer magazine, ServerWatch.com's Trends and InfoStor. He often contributes to other online and print publications as well.

His first computer was a Commodore VIC-20, which he purchased because William Shatner was in the commercials.

In his limited spare time, Ken enjoys painting, drawing, and flinging angry birds at fortified pigs.

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RE: Without Klout, Google is dead to me
aiellenon 6th Aug
never heard of it
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So, what you're saying is that there's this thing called "Klout" that only media types care about. The rest of us, who haven't heard of it, don't care - and don't care that you do!
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@rick1947 I've heard of "first world problems", but "talking head problems" - that's a first for me! Speaking of which, the page is serving me a political campaign ad right now... Google must agree with my description. happy
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@rick1947

Anyone remember GearScore in World of Warcraft? Told you what people were wearing, but nothing about their knowledge and skill. I can see similarities already wink
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@tonymcs@... nice -- sounds like a very potent example.
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@tonymcs@... :))))))) Nice one
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And if you keep posting outrageously vapid articles like this, ZDNet will be dead to me... Millions of people are using social media right now to network, make money, etc without any regards to "Klout." Their work and real world reputation can speak louder than some random website that you think everyone should care about.
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RE: Without Klout, Google is dead to me
Cyberpyr8 Updated - 2nd Aug
I checked my score (19) and I was much higher until Google+ came out. Since that point I have plummeted to this point because I almost completely stopped posting on Twitter and Facebook. Klout needs to add Google+ into their scores in my opinion.

If I have to like your page on Facebook I will not follow you and I will only follow you on Twitter if you are relevant and not just spamming the channel with blind links to stories. I have started dropping people on Twitter that I was following and adding them on Google+ instead. I did this because the content is so much better. I dropped 53 people last week on Twitter and added most of those people on Google+. I now basically get traffic reports and other miscellaneous information from Twitter and Facebook has become the Classmates.com for me.

I know as a writer you care about the scores and would use the media that they follow to help raise your score, but look at the people on Google+ right now. A majority of the tech people that influence readers are on Google+ already. The ones that aren't I am not paying attention to. As a writer you need to be anywhere you can to get views and with 18+ million users you need to get on board or you will be left behind.
@Cyberpyr8
Well said. Klout tries to measure influence, but it only measures connections, not the weight of the connections.

What matters is the weight of connections. In many things, I can basically control the outcome of some of my friend's decisions... that's influence weight, but it's not high in number. The automated processes can't track/determine that kind of weight, and so, they miss a lot of value.
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3brian Updated - 3rd Aug
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Klout? Never heard of it. Probably rigged like everything else and those who have "Klout" I probably wouldn't care one iota about their opinion.
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RE: Without Klout, Google is dead to me
eighties.kid@... 2nd Aug
Klout, Klout, what the hell is klout!!!
I think Klout is the one that's dead not
google+ happy
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I'm a nobody and my Klout score is 51 (@mightysquid). I'm a Klout OG since I am just interested in media and will sign up for whatever new thing that comes around just to check it out.

Having used it for a long time I do have issues with what factors affect your score. For example my "true reach" has been in updating status for about a month. They have some growing pains with pages being down ect. They aren't far enough along to be constantly obsessed over. Maybe someday.

Also why am I supposedly influential about the Minnesota Vikings? Can someone explain this to me? I don't even know what they are.
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Be Social, dont DO Social
robertholf 2nd Aug
I am a huge fan of Klout (I have a 70 and even launched a ranking board http://klokal.com which shows all the top Klout scores in an area) but we should not allow a measurement to dictate our actions. Do you pay your bills ontime because you owe the money or because it will help your credit score?

I guess the point I am trying to make is two fold:
1. Klout will only get more recognized and we SHOULD be aware of it.
2. We should be social in an authentic sense and not pollute the Twitterverse and Facebook Walls in the name of a higher Klout score.

Aloha, Rob
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@robertholf

I'm Klout-driven. Klout is the all-powerful. I submit to its greatness.
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@khess
Yes ... all hail Klout ... all-hail Klout ... Sorry, what is Klout again?
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@robertholf
How silly. All this social networking stuff is ignored by people worth hearing from, use of things like Facebook and Klout scream "wannabee".
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@robertholf

I know what Klout is, and I care about it, but it doesn't drive my online actions. It can't, or I will be a slave to the technology and instead, the technology should be a slave to my needs. (Isn't that why we invented it, or are we all just trying to build Skynet?) You are completely right in your assessment.

It would be nice to see Google+ integrated with some of the social media tools (like Hootsuite) to help those who are too busy to spend time on the media directly, but the whole point of social media is to BE social.
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Why are you berating Google+ for Klout's shortcoming?
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You have it backwards
StacyNelson 2nd Aug
Your logic is all backwards... and it will help your Klout score significantly to remember these words: SOCIAL ENGAGEMENT.

Social media is most effective when you are engaging with your audience, connecting with people on a real level. Klout is a flawed algorithm that attempts to measure your influence and how you are engaging with others. But the effectiveness of your posting isn't about a number but by how many people respond to you.

That said, the engagement level on Google+ is the highest I've seen on any beta site. While it doesn't change my Klout score it changes the number of hits I'm getting on my sites and helps cement many of the relationships I've forged on other networks.

If you really just care about your Klout score then good luck with that. Your score of 41 is ok... not a beginner but certainly not an expert yet.

-Stacy Nelson (Klout=66)

P.S. I found this article shared on Google+
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RE: Without Klout, Google is dead to me
khess Updated - 2nd Aug
@StacyNelson

All I care about is that all-important Klout score.
And, who the heck has time for all that "engagement?" Not me.
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Herr Hess

"When I tweet, my Klout score raises."

After apparently flunking Grammar 99, did you ever pass Freshman grammar?

Your current score with me is *unemployable*!
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@ASceptic

What's wrong with that sentence? Should I have said, "increases?"

And, if you're an expert, you misused the exclamation point.
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@khess your grammar was fine there, but is this article a joke? G+ dead to you because of Klout? At least put a reason instead of "klout, klout, klout."

Anyway to have somewhat of an opinion, you should have at least mentioned Klout Perks or the growing # of businesses using guests' Klout scores for upgrades/freebies.
@khess

Increases would have been better. Another correct verb would have been "rises". Rise is intransitive, raise is transitive (in non-dialectal prose).
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@khess
raises should have been rises. Raises (transitive verb) would be an action you perform on something (needs an object), rises (intransitive verb) is an action (doesn't need an object).
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I just signed onto Klout and they ranked at 1. I'm actively engaging in conversations but limit them to those that are more relevant to my friends / followers. But Klout doesn't see me as an influencer.

Being in online marketing I wanted to know what social implications Google+ was bringing to the industry, and found many people commenting on www.googleplusforums.com.

Facebook vs Google+, and now I'm seeing LinkedIn getting into the social space as well. But do you want random posting to really bring up your score, or would you rather have relevant posts? I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts.
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@divgplus

If you start Tweeting, your score will "increase."
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I'm confused...you are ignoring a community that has grown faster in 3 weeks than Facebook or Twitter did in nearly 3 years?

A Klout score is only one measure and as so many pointed out it's not even one that many have heard of (my score runs between 49 and 54). But to be so focused on that score ignores so many other important places to reach audience.

Additional eyeballs, enhanced discussion (i.e. social engagement), greater reach through SEO and +1, ability to poll readers...the list is a long one on why you should care about G+.

I too found this article on that network that is dead to you. Odd that Klout had nothing to do with that!
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@crystallyn

I love Google+. I just wish that Klout and Google+ would connect.
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It feels like you're putting way too much into Klout and missing the point. If you only tweet/post updates/otherwise engage in order to raise your Klout score, your content will suffer and people will stop listening to you. Also, when is a job ever going to put more into your Klout score than into actual examples and results of social media engagement?
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Are you serious?
jgibbard 2nd Aug
If this article is supposed to be read as satire I'll forgive you, otherwise I'd have to say that you are a moron.

If you think you "get" social media because you fixate on Klout you are sadly mistaken. Klout is a measurement of various sharing metrics and network size. Combine that with the Klout scores of your network and you get one thing only: a number to make yourself feel good.

Seriously. Do you really think that your Klout score has anything to do with your influence? OK, here's a good example, you have a Klout of 41 by "influencing" a network on Linkedin, Facebook, Twitter and Foursquare. Well here's a twitter account that I created to autopost from my favorite tech blogs, it's called @mytechbuddy, Klout score 42. No Foursquare, no Linkedin, No Facebook, just an autoposted Twitter account. So according to you, my autofeed is more influential than you and I've never sent a tweet manually.

Klout is a game and if you are playing it, you're playing the wrong game. I'm sure that the network you are foregoing on Google+ could be 100x more valuable for you personally and professionally than any meaningless Klout score. And yet, somehow you influenced someone to let you write this ridiculous article.
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RE: Without Klout, Google is dead to me
OffsideInVancouver 2nd Aug
@jgibbard

Totally agree.
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RE: Without Klout, Google is dead to me
khess Updated - 2nd Aug
@jgibbard

There are those who value Klout. If I want to work for those people, I have to value it too. It's no sillier than Twitter, Facebook or the zillions of other social media outlets.

And, it (the article) does have a satirical flavor to it.

And, yes, I'm also a moron.
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@khess don't you think you should in fact be asking those people why they value Klout? Twitter and Facebook can have measurable ROI, so can LinkedIn and Foursquare (all dependent on business objective obviously). What does Klout offer you? (barring an occasional perk at the palms, Las Vegas). It's pointless, you'd be better served spending your time educating people on why it shouldn't be a deliverable, rather than begging for an increased score on ZDNet.
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No offence, but Klout is an utterly arbitrary, worthless figure, based largely on frequency and follower ratio. anyone using at as a metric is seriously misguided. Influence is contextual, and cannot be defined by a simple figure. Klout's only possible use is in providing an (extremely) top-level view of Twitter users with a large following. Put it this way: Bieber has lots of followrs. Now, you want me to buy a car. You ask Bieber to tell me I should buy your car. Do I? You also ask my best friend, who happens to know a ton about cars, but only tweets to 14 followers once a month, to recommend your car to me. Who has greater influence over my decision? That's how valuable Klout is.
Google+'s value (so far -it's still very early days and there isn't a first mover advantage here) is in referral traffic and apparently in SEO, with +1's now making it into SERPS.
Klout are slowly improving their measurement algorythms, but it's utterly ridiculous to think of it as a useful measurement.
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uhhh... check Klout
roniweiss 2nd Aug
I mention it in my post, on "Connect Networks" Klout has Google+ listed as "Coming soon!"

http://roniweiss.com/2011/08/02/in-defense-of-klout/
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@roniweiss

Good stuph. Thanks for the link.
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Google Trolling...
Quasii 2nd Aug
Has trolling Google+ increased your Klout score? I hope for your sake it has, because I for one won't bother reading any of your articles again.

PS - can I please have that 30 seconds back.
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@Quasii

I'll give you 27 seconds back. I charge a 10% restocking fee.
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Until 5 minutes ago, (that's how long it took to read this story) I never heard of Klout, really now, does my score on social networks matter, let me think, no. Does my score on my website matter, yes. kittgagnon.com/
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Sorr, but this is nonsense. Klout is a measure of the noise you make, not your influence, despite the owners' claims. If you really think it matters that Klout does not yet "score" you on Google+ then you are putting the cart before the horse. People don't care whether your Klout score is high, they care whether you are worth listening to.
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Sorry, but this is nonsense. Klout is a measure of the noise you make, not your influence, despite the owners' claims. If you really think it matters that Klout does not yet "score" you on Google+ then you are putting the cart before the horse. People don't care whether your Klout score is high, they care whether you are worth listening to.
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Sloppy arguments...
bcnelson831 3rd Aug
"Why are you berating Google+ for Klout's shortcoming?"
Exactly.

Also your judgement of those who are willing to question new technologies is absurd. I don't know why anyone would adopt any new technology without considering its merits and faults. If the cons outweigh the pros, you shouldn't bother using a new social network. Just because a social product is new and other people are using it does not mean that you have an obligation to use it. You are not a better or more relevant writer because you use 20 social networks.
I understand this is his opinion, but this is the article of a tool. Grow up. Klout is BS.
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Wow, talk about missing the point. Klout only exists because of other social networks andnot the other way around. You get Klout by having built up a following and engaging on those networks. By ignoring G+ and waiting until they get added the service is pretty stupid, as you won't actually have built a network that will boost your score on Klout when that day does come.
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In my opinion. Klout is a joke. I understand the value for some, but I own a Social Media company and my clients don't care about their Klout scores. They care about the quality of the interaction throughout the various platforms as do I. I would rather real responses to fanpage posts than a ton of "LOLs", wouldn't you?
I was at a local get together where, I kid you not, I was leaving and one person said to me "Tweet me sometime, I need to raise my Klout score". Are you serious?!
Not Tweet me so we can say in touch, see what's going on, but rather so he can raise his Klout score.
Klout is a fancy popularity tool at best. I choose to use ones that focus on the real data at hand.
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The headline of this article would discourage someone from even considering G+. Not good. I love G+ and want it to be well received - to grow.

Now, as for the content of your article. Here's my first reaction:

What!?? When you tweet, you raise your Klout score!??? Seems Klout is doing a disservice ... possibly encouraging people to tweet without really having anything worthwhile to read. Tweeting just for the sake of raising a score.

Not Good! Not Good at all!
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never heard of it

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