Flash coming for WiMo, Android, ... iPhone?

Flash coming for WiMo, Android, ... iPhone?

Summary: Apple isn't exactly known for bowing to pressure, but Mr. Jobs had to be sweating just a little under his turtleneck Monday when Adobe demonstrated Flash Player 10 running on Nokia's Symbian operating system, Microsoft's Windows Mobile, and Google's Android.

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Apple isn't exactly known for bowing to pressure, but Mr. Jobs had to be sweating just a little under his turtleneck Monday when Adobe demonstrated Flash Player 10 running on Nokia's Symbian operating system, Microsoft's Windows Mobile, and Google's Android. Real Flash, not Flash Lite. That leaves the Blackberry and iPhone platforms as the major holdouts in the Flash-free zone.

Adobe reportedly has an iPhone port pretty much completed, but Apple is so far refusing to let it see the light of day. This causes a gap both for users, who can't view some of their favorite sites as intended, and for developers, who can't use Flash as a run-anywhere platform for mobile like they can on the desktop. The status on the Blackberry is less clear, as Flash requires a native API but there is no native API on current models.

An Adobe spokesman said that they needed to work with Apple "beyond what is available through the SDK, its emulation environment, and the current license around it" to bring the full capabilities of Flash to the iPhone. Translation: Ideally Adobe wants to plug it into the browser but Apple isn't providing hooks for that, and the Apple license doesn't allow Adobe to try and work around it themselves.

Brian X. Chen suggests that Apple will never permit Flash on the iPhone, saying it would compete with the App Store and iTunes. In response to this, the Android guys make a good point: "Google could care less if that were the case with Android.  Getting more people using mobile internet is their primary concern."

Topics: iPhone, Apple, Enterprise Software, Hardware, Mobility

Ed Burnette

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Ed Burnette is a software industry veteran with more than 25 years of experience as a programmer, author, and speaker. He has written numerous technical articles and books, most recently "Hello, Android: Introducing Google's Mobile Development Platform" from the Pragmatic Programmers.

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  • Well if Brian X. Chen is telling the truth...

    With this statement
    "In response to this, the Android guys make a good point: ?Google could care less if that were the case with Android. Getting more people using mobile internet is their primary concern.?

    Then why does it appear I can not download MP3's from certain sites (They will play but not let me download)

    NOTE: These are not illegal downloads.



    NOTE2: These files will start the mp3 player on the phone and work, but I want to download them for later playback.



    This site works
    http://podcast.dslextreme.com/kfi/TTG20080209-429.mp3

    This one does not
    http://media.grc.com/sn/sn-169.mp3
    mrlinux
  • Pull Your Head Out Your Butt Jobs

    The entire PC world is using Flash, but you aren't allowing it for IPhone.

    Who is the idiot?
    itanalyst2@...
    • Jobs is on the record

      as stating the reason Flash is not on the iPhone is because Adobe doesn't have a version that works elegantly with multitouch.

      Conspiracy theorists notwithstanding, I see no reason to not take this reason at face value for the time being.
      frgough
      • I see no reason to not take this reason at face value for the time being.

        Yeah and we do not need firewire either on the macbooks
        mrlinux
        • Non-sequitir

          look it up.
          frgough
          • You look it up...

            It is a reply to the first poster silly idea that just because it is a phone and someone spent money developing the hardware, that no one should try to load some other OS on it.
            mrlinux
      • Pretty Lame Statement

        If Flash is going to be supported on Android and other touch devices, Jobs had better come up with a better excuse than this.
        itanalyst2@...
        • Why?

          Multitouch is a huge differentiating feature between iPhone and other touch screen devices. Want an example? Watch someone trying to navigate a web page in Opera on an Android phone. Have fun tapping the little magnifying glass...
          frgough
          • Doesn't Matter

            It's 2008, people want the same ability on a mobile device as they have on a PC.....if IPhone can provide it by adding flash, then they need to do it, otherwise they will start seeing IPhone sales declining and people going elsewhere for their mobile needs.
            itanalyst2@...
          • You haevn't watched yourself...

            ...at least not someone browsing on Android. I browse just fine without EVER needing to zoom. The default zoom level combined with Androids ability to magically make sure the main text fits the screen allows me to quickly get around to any part of the page I need.

            All that zooming in and out is a solution to a problem that I simply haven't had on Android.

            Next..
            storm14k
          • Thank You!

            Apple knows this is functionality that they can provide in the IPhone, I think it's ridiculous that they are too lazy to implement this. Just as ridiculous as they are to not support Opera for the IPhone, which everyone knows is now working and Apple refuses to allow to be downloaded.

            Fix the problems and quit beating around the bush Mr. Jobs.
            itanalyst2@...
    • flash is crap

      and the "PC" world is nearly full of idiots.
      You get no respect from me itanalyst2 'n' I ain't no idjut.
      harryxebec@...
  • RE: Flash coming for WiMo, Android, ... iPhone?

    The Question that keeps coming to my mind is we get more and more applications developed that work well on "mobile" devices with limited CPU and Memory etc. Why do we have the "Standard" applications that are Memory Hogs, Sluggish, filled with junk that no one uses but take up processor time, loading time, etc. on regular machines? What would our High End machines be able to do speed wize and all if we would just run windows Mobile, or some other mobile operating system with mobile applications installed? For that matter why have "Software" on diskettes, wouldnt it be great to have the operating system on a chip that when It got corrupted or attached from malware, viruses etc that we could push a button and have it reloaded as from the factory? I did that to my Mobile phone windows mobile system the other day.
    Senior Program Analyst
  • Flash is Becoming Obsolete

    A big part of what Flash does now (video) could always be
    done much better with other players like
    Divx...QuickTime..AVI. Has anyone noticed that the quality
    of Flash video is nowhere near what these other formats
    are and the playback is very processor intensive? What
    Flash has going for it is a massive install base and a stealthy fast installer.

    And now even the stuff Flash does well (interactivity) is
    been challenged by Web 2.0 and HTML 5. We are coming to
    a relatively pluginless non proprietary internet. If you think
    the Flash part is just going to continue forever the way it is
    then you aren't thinking ahead. Conceiving and building
    Flashless now is extremely smart. We don't NEED Flash to
    have beautiful compelling websites.

    Have a look at a video website made for iPhone/iPod. The
    quality and user experience is awesome. None of this
    blocky-audio out of sync-buffering forever, smeg people
    seem to be happy with.
    CowLauncher
  • RE: Flash demo at iphone boot camp

    I'm studying a the iPhone Boot Camp
    http://www.meetup.com/The-New-York-iPhone-BootCamp/

    and the instructor showed up as a hack on the iPhone that
    got it to use flash so it's not coming. It's already here.
    Jonathan Sarno
    • LOLz .....Awesome! Then haters have been RickRoll'd! ;0

      That's pretty awesome, I knew it was being worked on
      for Android/iPhone didn't know that anyone had a
      running version yet! Thanks!!!
      i2fun@...
  • Never have, never will need flash

    There will always be enough people who will never ever
    use any site or app supporting flash to keep Apple in
    business. I don't think Jobs is worried.

    If you want everything like a PC, why bother with an Apple
    product? Google has enough muscle and is so far ahead in
    online app offerings not built in flash and number of users
    that it does not have to worried about Adobe. Apple does
    not own 60% of all online search business. Applying
    Google's business logic to the iPhone makes no business
    sense.
    g15host