ie8 fix
madison

Hands-on with the Nokia N8, a smartphone Symbian fans will love

By | October 4, 2010, 5:23am PDT

Summary: The highly anticipated Nokia N8 is now shipping to customers who pre-ordered them and if you are a Nokia or Symbian user you will appreciate the device. Can it bring in outsiders too?

A couple of days ago, the Nokia N8 started shipping and evaluation units were part of that initial rollout. The Nokia USA team sent me a blue Nokia N8 to try out for a couple of weeks, which is perfect timing as I wait for my own pre-ordered dark gray unit to ship, hopefully sometime this week. I have had the N8 for a couple of days and wanted to give you all some of my first impressions and take you on a walk around the device. You can check out my image gallery, video, and thoughts below.

To give you a sense of my take on the device and what you can expect below, let me state that the N8 is clearly the best Nokia Nseries device ever made and is the Nseries device that Nokia and Symbian users both deserve and will appreciate. I honestly doubt that many iPhone or Android owners will be switching to the N8 because the Symbian^3 OS is not familiar to them and is not as intuitive as either of these new flashier operating systems. MeeGo may serve the role as the new OS to take these one, but the N8 should keep all of the existing Symbian owners satisfied and the hardware is so good that others may actually give the device a chance.


Image Gallery: Check out photos of the blue Nokia N8 Symbian^3 device. Image Gallery: Camera on the N8 Image Gallery: Nokia N8 in hand

In the box and first impressions

Nokia’s Nseries packaging over the last couple of years has been some of the best of any smartphone and it keeps getting slimmer and more stylish. The N8 comes in a blue box that is just over an inch thick and about 7 inches by 7 inches. There is a N8 outlined in blue glossy finish (matches actual size) on the front. Opening the first flap reveals another embossed N8, this time showing the back, and then opening that flap reveals the Nokia N8 itself in a plastic fitted compartment. There is a small card with the N8 that shows the doors for the SIM card and microSD card. Under this plastic tray is where Nokia places all the other goodies to get you hooked up out of the box.

You will find an A/C adapter, USB to microUSB cable, wired stereo headset, USB-to-Go adapter cable (about 6 inches long), HDMI adapter cable (about 6 inches), and some pamphlets for the device.

No matter what you think about the Symbian^3 OS or software, no one can argue that the Nokia N8 is one fantastic piece of hardware. Most of the device is wrapped in cool aluminum (available in 5 colors of silver, dark gray, green, blue, and orange) with end pieces of plastic to match. The controls on the right side feel great and around the buttons and switches you can see a shiny finish adding some styling. The weight feels just about perfect in your hand with a width that makes it feel like a phone and a beautiful 3.5 inch display. Compared to many other Nseries devices I have tried, the N8 stands out as the best.

Specifications

Specifications for the Nokia N8 include the following:

  • Symbian^3 operating system
  • 680MHz ARM 11 processor along with a 3D Graphics HW Accelerator with OpenGL-ES 2.0 support
  • 256MB SDRAM and 512MB of NAND memory
  • Quad-band GSM and penta-band 3G (850/900/1700/1900/2100 MHz)
  • 3.5 inch (640×360 pixels) capacitive AMOLED touch display with support for 16.7 million colors
  • Integrated 16GB flash memory and microSD card
  • 12 megapixel camera with Carl Zeiss optics and Xenon flash
  • Dual microphone
  • VGA front facing camera
  • Proximity sensor, light sensor, accelerometer and digital compass
  • Integrated GPS
  • Wi-Fi (802.11 b/g/n)
  • Bluetooth 3.0
  • FM radio and FM transmitter
  • 1200 mAh integrated battery
  • 2mm Nokia charging port
  • 3.5 mm headset jack
  • Dimensions: 4.47 x 2.32 x 0.51 inches and 4.76 ounces

The Nokia N8 has a couple specifications that stand out from the pack, including the 12 megapixel Carl Zeiss camera with Xenon flash and penta-band WCDMA radio. The camera has the largest sensor ever seen in a camera phone and should allow me to leave the point-and-shoot at home while recording 720p video. The penta-band WCDMA radio is a feat that no other manufacturer has yet been able to make happen and smartphone enthusiasts like me appreciate the ability to pop any SIM card in that we want and get connected via 3G data speeds.

The aluminum body and cool colors are also quite attractive and give the device a look and feel of quality.

Walk around the hardware

The front of the N8 is dominated by the 3.5 inch display. Even though the resolution is 640×360 pixels, it still looks quite good with clear text and beautiful colors on the OLED display. Above the display you will find the front facing VGA camera and proximity sensor. The front microphone is below the display on the right and the single hardware button for the N8 is found on the lower left. There is a light around the button that serves as the notification light that pulses.

The 3.5mm headset jack, HDMI port, and power button are found on the top. The 2mm charging opening is on the bottom with a lanyard opening towards the right.

If you look to the right you will see volume button, lock switch, camera button, and Torx screw. Ports for the microSD card and SIM card are found on the upper left with the charging indicator light, microUSB port, and second Torx screw.

The back is dominated by the 12 megapixel camera protrusion that includes the Xenon flash, camera lens, second microphone, and mono speaker. The camera lens has no physical shutter, but the glass face is inset a bit with a shiny bezel around the opening. The words Nokia Nseries are attached to the back of the N8 in brushed silver finish that adds a bit of classiness to the device.

Walk through the software

As you start up the device you are asked to enter in your Ovi account information or setup a new account. I entered my account settings and discovered that this sign takes care of your connection to Ovi Maps, Ovi Store, and Ovi Sync. I do not actually use Ovi Sync so did not try out this capability.

You will then be taken to the home screen where you will find default widgets loaded up in some of the six openings on each of the three home screen panels. You have the ability to customize the background image on each of the three home screens as well as the 18 total widget areas. I have an Android device with seven home screens and only live in two of them so having three is just fine with me. The home screen is very similar in appearance to the S60 5th Edition screen, but there are some nice improvements. One in particular that stands out to me is the contact widget that lets you add several contacts and then slide the widget side to side so you can have more than the four limited on S60 5th Edition.

Pressing the menu button once takes you the menu screen that is all to familiar to S60 users with the same icons and ability to customize folders and placement of the shortcuts. While many unfamiliar with S60 may find the menu screen confusing and not understand that it can be fully customized, existing S60 owners will likely appreciate the familiarity.

While there are hundreds of improvements in Symbian^3 over the S60 5th Edition operating system a couple of the most apparent improvements can be found in the music application and task manager. When you rotate the N8 into landscape orientation and launch the Music application you will see an amazing display of cover art with 60 frame per second animations allowing you to fly through your music collection.

The task manager is activated by pressing and holding on the menu button. You will see a window pop-up with live thumbnails of your running apps appearing in a visual history/coverflow type of view. You can slide your finger right and left to switch between apps and tap on the X in the upper right corner to close down the selected application. I admit I was a bit worried about the N8 ability to run several high powered apps at once after seeing some warnings appear on prototype devices, but I was able to experience running Gravity, camera app, web browser with full ZDNet site loading, Angry Birds, Galaxy on Fire, Ovi Store, music player, email app, phone dialer, Ovi Maps, and calendar all at once without pause. On the E73 and N97 I could run just a couple and then if I started the camera or web browser the low memory error would appear so this is rather a breath of fresh air.

Pricing and availability

The Nokia N8 is available for ordering on the Nokia USA site now for $549 in dark grey. The colored ones should be available for pre-order starting on 9 October. $549 is a good price for a completely SIM-unlocked smartphone with no carrier bloatware. Don’t forget you also get a full voice navigation suite with support for offline navigation around the world too.

Final first thoughts

As I stated earlier, I think Nokia and Symbian owners will love the Nokia N8, but I don’t think it will really bring in many new people to the Symbian product line. You still have to dive down quite a ways into menus and the OS is something that takes time to learn. There is a TON more that I will be testing out on the Nokia N8, but I will be posting that over on my Nokia Experts site. I plan to cover the camera, USB-to-Go, HDMI output, and much more as I build up a resource there for new Nokia N8 owners.

I look forward to seeing Symbian^4 in 2011 and MeeGo later this year too. Do you have any questions about the N8? Do you think it will win over any iOS or Android owners?

Kick off your day with ZDNet's daily e-mail newsletter. It's the freshest tech news and opinion, served hot. Get it.

Topics

Matthew Miller started using a Pilot 1000 in 1997 and has been writing news, reviews, and opinion pieces ever since.

Disclosure

Matthew Miller

Matthew is a professional naval architect by day and a mobile gadget freak at all other times. He purchases his own devices and then sells them on eBay or Craigslist to buy more. Many other devices are sent for review on a 30-day loaner basis and then returned to the carrier or manufacturer. If any are provided as “long term loaner units” this will be clearly disclosed in his reviews.

Biography

Matthew Miller

Matthew Miller started using a mobile devices in 1997 and has been writing news, reviews, and opinion pieces ever since. He is a co-host with GigaOM's Kevin Tofel on the MobileTechRoundup podcast and an author of three Wiley Companion series books. Matthew started using mobile devices with a US Robotics Pilot 1000 and has owned over 125 different devices running Palm, Linux, Symbian, Newton, BlackBerry, iOS, Android, webOS, Windows Mobile, and Windows Phone operating systems. His current collection includes an HTC Radar 4G, Dell Venue Pro, Apple iPad 2, HTC Flyer, Samsung Galaxy Nexus, Nokia N9, Apple iPhone 4S, MacBook Pro, and many more, along with tons of accessories and classic devices like the Apple Newton MessagePad 2100 and Sony CLIE UX50. Matthew can be found on various discussion forums under the user name of "palmsolo".

Related Discussions on TechRepublic

Did you know you can take part in these discussions with your ZDNet membership?
58
Comments

Join the conversation!

Just In

RE: Hands-on with the Nokia N8, a smartphone Symbian fans will love
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 11th Oct
Decent submit. I thoroughly concur with many of the stuff you football shop have built.
Coming from the n900, I'll probably hold out for the e7. But it's great to see the the faster processor in a symbian device. The smaller battery seems to be holding up well from what I hear in the twittersphere. Also excited about the future QT apps that should trickling out soon.
0 Votes
+ -
Q1) Can the Nokia N8 be connected to a NTFS USB hard drive and if so can it play MKV files which are larger than 4gb in size via HDMI?

Q2) How does the FM transmitter cope in the car with Apps for example Nokias SAT NAV OVI mpas coming out of the loudspeakers of your car for turn by turn navigation.

Q3) The same goes for listening to MP3s in your car via the FM transmitter whilst recieving a phone call. can the phone be autoanswered and does the music pause itself. How well does the phone act as handsfree, these are the sort of tests you cant actually perform until you get your hands on one.


Q5) Not sure if you have access to Android 2.2 or IOS4 but it would be nice to download opera to all 3 operating systems and test general internet usability with other operating systems.
0 Votes
+ -
At last!
drdavrob 4th Oct 2010
An honest review of the N8 with no comparisons to the other lot, just tells it how it is. Thanks.
I think I want one. I was always a nokia fan and switched a couple of years ago to one of the samsungs (touch screen). And I do like the samsung. But, I use my phone for everything now. I use it for email, web browsing, camera, phone, calander, etc and the hardware is just so awesome on the N8 I think it would be a great camera, uh, I meant phone to have in my pocket. Plus, over the years I've found Nokia to have superior reception compared to all of the others. I just wish the phone didn't cost so much. I built my last computer for about the same price, and think that even for an unlocked phone, this is a bit pricey. $400 would seem much more reasonable and at least for me would be much easier to justify purchasing.
0 Votes
+ -
How silly is it
sackbut 4th Oct 2010
to review the box it came in? Are you sure you're not a MacHead?
I'll have to skip the N8, as I'm only half way into the contract for the N97 Mini, which I'm mostly happy with. A couple of questions though (in case I change my mind).
1) Does the browser still slow down when getting past around 1 MB downloading large web pages?
2) Have Nokia resolved their QA problems with first release software? On the last few phones I've had these have been quite buggy!
I think it's time to upgrade. I'll trade you your seed N8 for my vintage cocoa E90 Communicator, savvy? happy

Nice review--thanks for giving Nokia a fair shake. They're not the overall best at everything, but they make solid devices that I love.
I wonder if those bands work with T-Mobile or would this be a case of the 5230 (unlocked) only able to use EDGE Vs the locked 5230 Nuron that can use 3G?
I've heard various things about future upgradability of the N8's software - that it will never run MeGo, that it is unsure if it will be able to be upgraded to Symbian^4, etc. What's the real scoop?
@jhoward@... :
dude, its a Phone!!! if you really want a minicomputer with phone ability, get a N900...

And dont believe *anyone* except nokia themselves.. a lot of fans are 'inventing' stuff...
dude, get to it: how much of iOS did they copy?
@cameljockey

I dunno. How much of Nokia's communication tech did Apple steal? You are aware of the lawsuits, aren't you?

Incidentally they didn't copy iOS since Symbian^3 isn't nearly the bloated pig that Mobile Os is.
@Sleeper Service : Well said..Thanks !!
@Sleeper Service
are you blind or impotent ?
you look frustrated.... everybody knows that Nokia copied android and ioas.
Insects like you should be banned from zdnet.
  • Flagged
@cameljockey
They didn't copy much at all. As stated in the article, it's still familiarly Symbian, but just better and responding very well.

Awesome feature: you can actually insert a USB-stick to the device and transfer files from/to it. (with the mini-cable that is in the package)
@jimjimmus
I know the comparisons are all very boring, but considering that even the wonderful iPad can't browse a USB stick (go figure), that is a pretty cool feature. As long as you carry your mini-cable around, of course.
@jimjimmus:
the other phone that will do USB anything, is the N900 AFAIK... Its maemo linux, but not stylish, thats the prob..
0 Votes
+ -
When Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone, he said Apple believed they were 5 years ahead of the competition. This latest offering from Nokia lends considerable proof of that claim.

But that's far less than half the story. From the size of the packaging to the hideously ugly design that's reminiscent of a cheap makeup case you might have found on a market stall 20 years ago, it's clear Nokia have learned nothing since that decisive moment on 9 January 2007.

Instead of going for the useful, yet idiot gratifying 12MP camera protrusion, with its "shiny bezel around the opening" and the words "Nokia Nseries attached in brushed silver finish" hideously misidentified as "adding a bit of classiness to the device"... and a radio, maybe Nokia should have concentrated on improving the lamentably poor Symbian OS, and found someone other than Jackie Chan's mother to design the case.

This is the N95 of late 2010. Sadly I had one before my contract situation finally allowed me to get an iPhone. It was always a half decent camera with a c r a p phone running a retarded OS attached to it.

That was also 2007. [Terrible timing for me]. Instead of 5 megapixel Carl Zeiss camera, read 12 megapixel Carl Zeiss camera, and that's the only detail worth reporting imo. Can Nokia catch up over the next 12 months? I doubt it. And crucially for them, I don't know anyone with so little self respect that they would willingly own one of these things.
@Graham Ellison i'll ignore most of your post as it's obvious Apple Fanboyism.

I'll just look at this one remark "N95 of late 2010" you do realize the N95 sold more units than the original Iphone dont you?

You do realize that the OS on the N95 offers more than even iOS offers today right?

To call it the N95 of 2010 is actually a great compliment that obviously went way above your comprehension
0 Votes
+ -
@stylinred I long ago worked out that anyone that uses "Apple Fanboyism" as an attempt at insult is an idiot. Admiring the business model employed by Apple is simply good judgement.

I've owned phones by all the top names. I've owned Nokias since the 3210 - the second best selling phone of all time - as if that matters, but since we're counting numbers...

The 6310i [had 6 of them] still ranks as the best back-up phone ever made. Battery life and signal gain make it a no brainer. I always pack one on foreign trips.

But Nokia, like all other phone manufacturers, were caught napping by Apple in 2007. That is a fact.

Another fact is that Nokia operate in just about every country on the planet. The first iPhone was only sold in one tenth of that market. So your point is relevant, but not as you intended.

But when we've thrown all these numbers about and waved our respective opinions at each other, which company has seen its fortunes decline over the past three years, losing two thirds of its stock value - to the point it's in real financial difficulty? and which is flourishing, having seen its stock double over the same period?

And while you're busy collecting sales totals, consider the value of the old adage: Turnover is vanity. Profit is sanity.

Then, to work out why Apple, who have only been making phones since 2007, has beaten Nokia who have been in mobile telecommunications since the 1960s, take a look at which has the greater number of revenue streams, the best OS, and has become the company every other is trying to imitate and beat.

It's a simple matter to make average products and gratify the masses whilst making minimum profits per unit. But every business that plays the volume game eventually dies - because they have nowhere to trade to, and it's impossible to raise the image of a volume brand. See Dell etc.

When I owned an N95, navigating the web was hell, pages and maps took 10 minutes to load, there was no navigation ability, the OS is a mess, the software was never updated, and I had to go to Ross Barkman for scripts. The entire device was a joke. Calling it a smartphone was utter garbage.

Some people say, when Apple released the iPhone, Nokia died at that moment. But that's not true, they started committing suicide when they failed to support their devices and their customers.
@Graham Ellison
"But Nokia, like all other phone manufacturers, were caught napping by Apple in 2007. That is a fact."

Completely agree with this statement. Apple did change the game as far as it comes to smartphones, and I think that we as consumers are much better off for it.

Now, you've made it quite clear that you do not like the N8. No problem, everyone's entitled to their own and all that. But I'm curious as to why you find the need to insult people who are interested in it. Why do you have to project your preferences onto other people?

I think the iPhone is a GREAT product. But it's not for me. I prefer a smartphone that has minimal control from the OEM and/or carrier; thus, it's pretty much a given that I will never own an iPhone. There are a lot of people who have no problem with that but I would never feel the need to insult them for it.

I'm interested in the N8 because I know that Nokia makes rock-solid hardware and because Symbian^3 looks like it will be an upgraded version of an OS that I am comfortable using. Does Symbian have its faults? Of course. But if I'm willing to put up with them...why do you care?
@Graham Ellison

You don't know anyone who would willingly own N8? It just happens to be the best selling phone for Nokia at the moment. Nokia has got more pre-orders than ever before. I'm sorry - it's already a success.

Also Symbian3 is success. You should try it before you judge it. It's not like the previous Symbians. It's much better.

Best camera phone, according to reviews best batterylife in smartphones, usb-on-the-go, FM transmitter, free navigation and maps... In N8 you get lots of stuff which iPhone users can just dream of. This promo video presents nicely all the features of the N8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVQzAYw9_BU
@tuomash Oh dear. You're obviously a fan and I hate to rain on your little party, but it looks like a *****'s breakfast and is crippled by its OS. You really will lose friends if you get one!

There's clearly nothing there that would make me even want to own a Nokia ever again. The case alone is embarrassingly ugly. Actually, that's such a limited statement. The case makes me want to hunt down the fool that did it and make them ingest it anally.

No, I've spent too many years trying to navigate through layers of Symbian to perform basic tasks. They don't know what they're doing, that's surely obvious to everyone by now.

I try these things out in stores all the time. But I've also had an iPhone for 2 years now, and I've been in marketing for 30 years, why would a glitzy YouTube video change my mind?
@Graham Ellison
That's pretty dull waffle for a troll?
18 months before the iPhone 4 came out I bought a Nokia 5800 for less than half the price of an iPhone. It multi-tasks. It has a front-facing camera for video calling. I can organise my apps into folders (woo!). I find the OS easy to use. I still like the phone and think it's great for the money.

Check out http://www.esato.com/phones/comparemore.php?phone=410&cp=622&cp2=604
where it's still winning on features, even before we mention the free offline navigation. Apple did some stuff first. Some obvious stuff they were late with. Deal with it.
@plasticmonkey

I'm almost speechless. You accuse me of being dull, and then offer idiot gratifying spec based stats, as if they have anything to do with why any smart person buys a smart phone. Who but an idiot looks at that list and uses the number of green ticks in any column to make a decision?

When are you going to work out that it's all about the experience?

Just one simple example is the photographic results I get with my iPhone 4. Some of them are almost indistinguishable from my Sigma SD14. How do you represent that in stats lists or specs columns?

Now, that's a comparison with an SLR. There just isn't any other smart phone camera to compare with.

The same of course applies to video, but it's the OS experience that simply kills all the others. Not needing to think about how a phone works, or where vital information is stored, means the difference between a frustrating waste of time, and just getting the job done, quickly and efficiently. If you can't grasp that, I frankly feel sorry for you.
0 Votes
+ -
@Graham Ellison

Really? You don't know many people then Graham.

As for the iPhone... boring, sterile and past it. Move on please.
@Sleeper Service

Tell that to the Chinese this week. Tell that to the staff at Covent Garden Apple Store who have hoards of scalpers queuing up from before dawn to buy iPhone 4s to sell on - at a healthy profit of course.

Name one other device that has that level of appeal.
0 Votes
+ -
@Graham Ellison

*Yawn*

Ah yes, the Chinese. Let's look at the smartphone sales figures in China last quarter shall we?

http://www.canalys.com/pr/2010/r2010081.html

Let's see... Nokia about 80%, Moto about 5%, Sasmsung about 4%... my goodness! Where is Apple?

Boring, boring, boring. Move on please.
Incidentally the amount of posts you have suggest you're a bit worried that your Apple lifestyle isn't really... well... cool anymore.

Here's a tip: It isn't. No-one cares. happy
@Graham Ellison

"When Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone, he said Apple believed they were 5 years ahead of the competition."

I beg to differ, Iphone was way behind, when it comes to hardware specs, and apps.
I phone did give us better web browsing and idiot proof navigation and of course what was already out in the market an IPOD which remains superior to most mp3 players (in my opinion).

It amazes me how Iphone users continue to be amazed with new outdated features Apple introduces into its product.

Examples:
- 1st gen iphone had its own headphone jack
(many phones including nokia already allowed you to use your standard headphone jack)
- No email client support (eg outlook) where many phones already had support for this
- Did not use 3g technology when it first came out
when many other phones already had that option
- no flash for the camera (again many phones at least had an led type flash)
- no video recording
- no mms
- still no option for additional storage
- gps
- no fm transmitter
- NO FLASH support
- the list goes on and on


What made iphone strong was its existing fan base of laptop and ipod users. (Thus the birth of so many apps) Transition was seamless into such devices which I give props to Apple.

Still one can't forget that apple played its cards correctly limiting its features so that each time they brought out a new phone it seemed as a much better device. Even though there was devices with all named features.

So please spare me your words on how far ahead iphone is from the rest. Nokia and HTC at the time were ahead of the pack. Unfortunately Nokia didn't jump on the opportunity here in the states.
@junkcorreo@...

Please, I beg you, never try to go into business. Your level of understanding of this issue is lamentably lacking and your reasoning utterly flawed.

I really don't know where to begin. You can't even decide how to write iPhone, failed to get it right despite several attempts, and then gave me an irrelevant lousy spec comparison/timeline list.

I've already coined the expression 'idiot gratifying spec lists' to accurately describe the way you've attempted to prove your point here.

In January 2007, no mobile phones looked like the iPhone. Now all mobile phones are superficial approximations of Apple's design, in terms of appearance and function.

In January 2007, no mobile phones worked like the iPhone. But many are trying and most still don't.

In terms of design, for example, Apple have actually thought through what happens if the main function button is accidentally pressed, and then the screen is accidentally touched. Have Nokia? No, of course they haven't. Apple's solution is to indent a flush button, and require a stroke across the screen to activate. Nokia has a protruding button and only a single screen touch is required to activate.

I may consider myself to be reasonably smart, but I want my phone to be idiot proof!

In terms of the OS, there really isn't any discussion to be had. It's the key to the usability of the device's functionality. Apple have iOS which is a cut down version of Mac OS X. Integration is therefore guaranteed, as is trust.

Nokia have an existing OS that is very limited in capacity, very poorly thought out and executed and barely ever updated. There's a vague possibility that this device will be compatible with the next version, and yet another OS, something called MeeGo, which I had to Google to discover is a Linux-based open source mobile operating system project. How many of these things are there?

So, is Nokia BLESSED by Jesus to have maybe three operating system options to play with? Or are they just once again still missing the point entirely, whilst making life difficult for themselves and their user base?

This just in from The Wireless Federation:

"The head of Nokia?s MeeGo device, Dr Ari Jaaksi, has resigned. According to Nokia, Jaaksi had decided to pursue opportunities outside Nokia. The company thanks him for his contribution over the years. Despite Ari?s departure, Nokia MeeGo strategy remains unchanged. MeeGo continues with its strong momentum.

Jaaksi was a Nokia experienced person, having headed up MeeGo?s forerunner, Maemo, since its first production version in 2005."

There's an old superstition about renaming ships. Maemo/MeeGo/MeGone! When the captain leaves the ship, trust me, it really is time for the band to stop playing!

And YOU want ME to "spare [my] words on how far ahead iphone is from the rest"? Suck your own eggs grandma. Just consider yourself lucky Nokia aren't reckless enough to launch this thing in the US. The regions they do launch in won't save them from the further substantial losses they're about to sustain [and their users to further misery], due in no small part to the catastrophic decisions I've highlighted here.
@junkcorreo@...
you idiot insect........
  • Flagged
@Graham Ellison, 5 years ahead of competition???

Who's the one with the tiny 5 megapixel cam with a stupid led in the name of flash?
Who's the one that requires itunes to be installed on a PC just to get connected?
Who's the one that can't even connect itself as mass storage, leave alone connecting other devices as mass storage on to it?
Now who supports Dolby Digital Plus with 5.1 channel audio support. Man I can go on and on but I won't this isn't the iPhone so you won't be interested.
@Graham Ellison
Agree
thanks for exposing dirty Nokia.
I suffered with 5800 and now people will be suffocated with this hideous N8.
@TalentSupporter
you do realize your we can tell its the same person right?
LOL HAHAHAHA
Thanks Matthew for this fair and balanced first impressions of the Nokia N8 that looked solely at the phone; nothing like the biases/lying we've seen in another prominent website review (which has ruined their credibility)
@stylinred This article has been up since October 4, 2010, 5:23am PDT and there have been just 20 comments so far. I think that tells us how popular this phone really is.

It's fine if you like it. But it's playing in a high stakes game in which it is woefully short of everything it needs other than a few idiot gratifying specs.

However, as a former Nokia owner for 10 years, and in an effort to be fair and balanced myself, I even watched the video. I started making notes of all the things I found wrong. These included the exposed switches, the camera hump, each of those horrible breakable pick-off covers for the sockets etc, the lack of a colour match between the anodizing and the plastic, and that awfully messy window view with icons of all different sizes everywhere! I stopped at 25. And I was only 11 minutes into a 27 minute 43 second video! Did I miss a free app that delivers Thai dancers to my door?

I stopped watching when I saw the calendar days marked out in white on black! W.T.F?

Oh dear, this is just all horrible design. It's not even worthy of being called design. Every calendar on the planet, unless it's hanging in a Satanist's lair, has to have the appearance of being a blank white grid - until it has an entry in a particular date space, at which time you need it to show up, relying on the maximum contrast effect. Right? I mean, that really is basic good design practice. And so when screen real-estate is limited, the use of white space becomes even more important. Stark staringly obvious to everyone, not just designers. So Nokia offer black! I've lived in Norway, and they know better than this. It's really tragic.

The smart phone has been redefined, and this is not an example of it. Get used to that reality and move on. Crawling up Matthew's trouser leg and brown nosing him for being unduly kind to this very poor tool, won't help you.
@Graham Ellison

To be honest your arguments against this phone make no sense. Don't count Zdnet as a meter of a product's popularity. Check GSM arena where the N8 has been the most viewed phone since it was announced back in April, with over 50,000 hits a day and over 15,000 comments.
@Graham Ellison
Funny that i have sign up to this site just to reply your ignorant comments

"The case makes me want to hunt down the fool that did it and make them ingest it anally"

Do you think you a smart one hah? You just an idiot isheep sucking Steve's dig all day. If you dont like this phone stop callling people who love this phone a fool. You should check your ignorant level on some mental institute. Go away Troll.. just go away..
@Graham Ellison

Oh and I beg you to never become a lawyer or politician, your lack of argumentative points would never get you anywhere! If you would stick your head out of Apples *&@%. You would understand what you read and what was being argued. AGAIN
"When Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone, he said Apple believed they were 5 years ahead of the competition."

Your so coined phrase "idiot gratifying spec lists" is the reason people upgrade to the new Iphone? In case you didn't notice its the reason why Apple announces the new features and specs, so that people can go out and buy the new version. They dont just go out and say we got a new OS coming out so buy the phone, NO! they say now it can do this and that and this etc.

To argue your futile point on everyone is copying apple, then I could say Apple is copying everyone else, by putting a front view camera, adding flash to camera, putting a non proprietary stereo jack, GPS, increasing its resolutions on the screen, and so on. Remember many other phones such as Sony Ericsson, Nokia, HTC had all so named features way before the Iphone came out.

Buddy just admit it Iphone lacks the specs, due to a marketing ploy by Apple. By coming here and stating Apple is being copied by everyone else shows just how ignorant you are.
I have nothing but six Nokias since 2000. I think my next phone (at the end of the month) will be the Galaxy S.

I have no idea yet how to do an Android app. But to get a Hello World program to my Nokia E71 is a real pain that will deter everyone but the most determined.
0 Votes
+ -
I can't believe...
robbiethe1st 5th Oct 2010
You'd actually think it better than the Nokia N900:
-640x360 screen vs. 800x480 screen(significant difference)
-No hardware keyboard.
-Only 80mhz faster clock than N900 stock(Mine runs at 1ghz, and even -that- could use a boost)
-256mb ram - It's inadequate on the N900 for good multitasking, why would it be any better on the N8?
-16GB ram, N900 has 32gb.
-Xenon flash: I'd say LED flash is better; you can use it as a flashlight(with software) as well as a flash.
-12Mp camera: I'll believe it when I see it. Whats the actual -usable- resolution, especially under lower-light conditions. Probably not too much better than a 5mp phone camera that has to be down-sampled to 1mp to remove the noise. It -can't- be too much better; the physical amount of light shining through the lens isn't increasing, at least not by much.

And of course, Maemo may have problems, but Symbian's even worse.
@robbiethe1st

No hardware keyboard isn't a disadvantage. The N900 is quite non pocketable in my opinion. 80 Mhz more plus a significantly faster GPU (one of the best on the market actually Broadcomm 2727). Xenon owns LED flash in any low light situation....period. Just google N8 photo samples and you'll see that its arguably the best camera phone on the market especially in terms of details, it even competes with DSLRs, of course it wont win but the difference is marginal.
I don't think N8 could completely defy iPhone 4 aside the slower processor and smaller RAM being used by nokia on it but also more responsive and less lag operating system. Because what really counts most is the device's ability to respond quickly with the actions of the user and if possible eliminate lag/system crash cases.

As of now, I have a N97 mini and their were times that the touchscreen function doesn't work so I need to restart my device again to fix it. Worst part is when I'm browsing the internet using opera 10 or the default web browser the browser itself always crash and my whole system needs to restart again. Sometimes I want to switch to other brand such as htc-android(google) or iphone 4.
0 Votes
+ -
Greate device
radu___ 5th Oct 2010
I own an iphone 3gs for the moment, but i just can't wait until N8 will be available to buy, and leave my old iphone behind. Except screen, i don't like almost anything at iphone.
On the other part, N8 seems to correspond perfectly at my needs.
Like someone say on other website, not everyone like same car.
Symbian OS is not like iphone OS. It depends by person to person, and is not an objective criteria to compare (here i think that both fans can come with argues about his favorite).
About HW capabilities, N8 is far ahead iphone 4, and this is a fact that nobody can contest, just look at specifications.
Design is also something that is not objective.
For me, N8 is now the perfect phone, and will be for sure, my next phone.
0 Votes
+ -
thumbs up for it
johnprise 5th Oct 2010
Nokia N8 is a superb cellphone , and nice post bro. well if you guys are interested in latest cellphones news, views, revies, games, apps, themes,wallpapers then visit http://www.futuretick.com
it is a very useful website for mobile stuff.
0 Votes
+ -
@johnprise funny guy The N8 is not a "future" but the end of Nokia's attempts at being trendy and probably the end of Nokia. Even Nokia can't make their mind up between Symbian & Linux. Nokia just can't do quality and I doubt even the new CEO has the balls to sack all the trendy people and start on employing some serious engineers. All the figures and facts here are pointless just wait to see what happens by the end of this year. The you will have the truth.
0 Votes
+ -
Great Hardware specification
p.vinnie@... 5th Oct 2010
Looking at list of specification, I believe no other phone in similar price range comes with such impressive goodies.

Offline navigation is big plus; especially when travelling to remote places where mobile broadband connection is patchy.

In think once they improve on their OS/software arena, they will raise above their competition.
Don't care how "good" it is. After I was sent a message saying there was a Nokia update for my phone and it didn't warn me it was going to delete all my contacts and photos and I foolishly said yes (updating linux doesn't erase your file system), I decided then and there I would never buy another Nokia.
@Omagus

Why do you care what I think?

Nokia don't make "rock-solid hardware". They make terrible design mistakes. And worse, they don't learn from them. For me, and I count myself as reasonably smart, that's the epitome of stupidity.

I had an N95 for 2 years. It's a disaster of a phone on all levels. The buttons are the wrong shape, the OS is so rank it's almost non existent, and nothing was updated for 18 months. Why did I buy it? Because they stopped making the communicator, and I couldn't get its replacement from my provider.

I attack the lack of thought that's involved in doing no more research into a product than looking at lists of specs and reading other people's opinions. If that's insulting, change.

But if I was that stupid, I'm sure I'd have a Blackberry! I mean, how can you not be impressed by all those rows of buttons arranged in a curve! And for what reason? Aesthetics? To fit the shape of the case?

The competition's approach was retarded, and it still is. But while there are still lazy people with low expectations about, Nokia will continue to sell units at a loss.
Graham, I like your comparison, especially about the designer.. happy
0 Votes
+ -
RE: Hands-on with the Nokia N8, a smartphone Symbian fans will love
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 11th Oct
Decent submit. I thoroughly concur with many of the stuff you football shop have built.

Join the conversation!

Formatting +
BB Codes - Note: HTML is not supported in forums
  • [b] Bold [/b]
  • [i] Italic [/i]
  • [u] Underline [/u]
  • [s] Strikethrough [/s]
  • [q] "Quote" [/q]
  • [ol][*] 1. Ordered List [/ol]
  • [ul][*] · Unordered List [/ul]
  • [pre] Preformat [/pre]
  • [quote] "Blockquote" [/quote]
ie8 fix
ie8 fix

The best of ZDNet, delivered

ZDNet Newsletters

Get the best of ZDNet delivered straight to your inbox

Facebook Activity

White Papers, Webcasts, & Resources
ie8 fix
ie8 fix