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Here is why the Nokia Lumia 800 is the first real Windows Phone

By | October 26, 2011, 8:44am PDT

Summary: Nokia Lumia 800 truly is the first Windows Phone built from the ground up to offer the best Windows Phone experience. They pulled off a great release in less than a year.

There are a couple of us from ZDNet here at Nokia World and I recommend you check out posts from Mary Jo and Larry. Similar to the feeling that many in the press seemed to have with the iPhone 4S (and we know how that turned out) I have been reading a lot of posts and Twitter updates complaining that Nokia could have done better with Windows Phone and included a front facing camera, NFC, on-device storage, etc. Actually, I think Nokia pretty much blew the lid off the current Windows Phone lineup and agree with Stephen Elop when he stated, “The Nokia Lumia 800 is the first real Windows Phone.”

There are several things to really think about before you make a decision on whether Nokia succeeded or failed here with the Lumia 800 and you may find you agree with me that they succeeded.

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Less than a year from an idea to launch

Nokia just made the announcement that they were going to put Windows Phone on their future smartphones back in February and today at the keynote we saw them boxing up retail units at the plant in Finland for availability in November (that’s next week) which means they went from public launch to phones on shelves in about 9 months. That is an incredible pace since you know they have been testing them for a month or two as well. Shoot, Nokia has announced devices (not a major platform shift) and then not delivered this quickly in the past (look at the Nokia N8). This alone is quite a feat and shows me that Nokia is serious about taking Windows Phone to the next level.

Limited by Windows Phone Mango

Mango was complete several months ago so whatever Microsoft had done just after Nokia announced their switch was what Nokia had to work with. There is no NFC support in Mango so Nokia could not add it, even though they have it in the Nokia N9 and it works well. Front facing cameras are just starting to come out on new Mango hardware, but you can’t use it for anything yet and like all the other front facing cameras and software no one ever seems to use it anyway.

I think it is actually pretty amazing that Nokia was able to get their Nokia Maps software and the Nokia Drive application, along with the Nokia Music application on these devices so quickly and am sure consumers will appreciate the ability to get a Spotify-like service for free on the Lumia 800.

Nokia has unique hardware

As much as I enjoy using Windows Phone, I have been complaining since day 1 about the rather lame hardware that had Samsung, HTC, and LG taking existing Android devices and slapping in Windows Phone. There was very little creativity by manufacturers of Windows Phone devices, which I personally think has had a significant impact on the lack of adoption by the new smartphone buyer.

Nokia changed that with the Nokia Lumia 800. I already told you how freaking amazing the Nokia N9 hardware is (I just ordered a blue one for myself on ebay) and Nokia was able to take it and put Windows Phone 7.5 inside. This is easily the most appealing Windows Phone device to launch and excites me for future devices. We always knew Nokia could make great hardware and now with Windows Phone inside we are going to see some amazing stuff in 2012 and beyond. Microsoft should be happy too since someone is finally taking advantage of their excellent camera software.

It’s not all good for the U.S. though

While I am excited for the Lumia 800 and am please people will be able to buy it in the next few weeks, the U.S. still seems to get no real attention from Nokia. I was really hoping that the U.S. would be a part of these announcements at Nokia World, but all we know is something is coming to some carrier at some future date in 2012. Thus, there is not much for anyone in the U.S. considering a new phone before the holidays to even look at here with Nokia and Windows Phone and I imagine the Apple iPhone 4S and Galaxy Nexus will be the primary hot sellers here.

I’m sure we will see some fabulous Nokia Windows Phone hardware in the U.S. eventually, but I am sad we didn’t here anything from Nokia here this week.

BTW, I am working on some other posts with hands-on experiences of the Nokia Lumia 800 and 710, but the connectivity here at Nokia World is horrid and it is a better use of my time to spend it with the devices rather than trying to beat the sites focused on posting things first.

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Matthew Miller started using a mobile devices in 1997 and has been writing news, reviews, and opinion pieces ever since. He is a co-host with GigaOM's Kevin Tofel on the MobileTechRoundup podcast and an author of three Wiley Companion series books. Matthew started using mobile devices with a US Robotics Pilot 1000 and has owned over 125 different devices running Palm, Linux, Symbian, Newton, BlackBerry, iOS, Android, webOS, Windows Mobile, and Windows Phone operating systems. His current collection includes an HTC Radar 4G, Dell Venue Pro, Apple iPad 2, HTC Flyer, Samsung Galaxy Nexus, Nokia N9, Apple iPhone 4S, MacBook Pro, and many more, along with tons of accessories and classic devices like the Apple Newton MessagePad 2100 and Sony CLIE UX50. Matthew can be found on various discussion forums under the user name of "palmsolo".
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RE: Here is why the Nokia Lumia 800 is the first real Windows Phone
tgroom@... 8th Dec
Have a Blackberry, iPhone and now a Samsung Windows 7 phone. I also carried an HTC Android phone for short periods but only for software test purposes. For the last 3 months I only use the Windows phone. Although the US market doesn't realize it yet, the Windows Mango operating system makes a great phone OS. My 17 year old daughter selected a Samsung Windows phone vs. iPhone or Andriod because the Zune music portion of it and social media integration is MUCH better than what is on iPhone and Android devices. She even said is "cooler" than the iPhone.
It is nice to see Nokia once again come out with some great hardware and this time have a modern OS to take advantage of it. I am just extremely disappointed that one again the US is left out in the cold. With the announcement in Feb I had really hoped that the US would be one of the launch countries when they did come out with WP7 devices. It seems like every other cool Nokia device in the last few years.. The US is just an afterthought. I fear that by the time they offer these (even unlocked direct) devices it will be a generation behind what even Nokia is doing. Time to look for importers.
@gshocker Once again? Goodness. How long did it take Microsoft to get the WP7 marketplace to a respectable number of countries? How many countries can take advantage of the Zune Pass? Or Local Scout? What about full Bing Vision?
Move to one of the Lumia launch countries if you want to know what it feels like to be in an afterthought market.
@AtomD .. another great example of just how most Americans don't know how good they have it at home.
@AtomD

Umm.. the US is dead. Look at your 401K, look at your benefits package, look at your optical benefits, look at your healthcare. Which one makes you feel reassured of the US economy? This, as you and I have voted for in one way or another is where we stand "today". There is no going back, no standing up and saying "but, but.. i voted..."... doesn't matter.. We are where we are. We are 'what' we are. Delude yourself longer if you must. Meanwhile, I will be buying gold or bullets. Same end.
Any company that has done any type of deal with MS eventually disappeared or became irrelevant, examples are:

a) VisiCalc
b) WP
c) Borland
d) SCO
e) Computer Associates
f) Novell
g) Yahoo

and now

Nokia.

Nokia has great hardware no doubt. But with half minded software like Win 7 o 8 on a phone, forget it. Tiles are ugly period. Make them round, make them float, but NO TILES.

Condolences to Nokia. When they announced their partnership with Windows it was clear that they were doomed. If they pull of an Apple, that will be something to be remembered.
@Uralbas

Did somebody say Apple?
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@AtomD There are a good deal of apps nowadays, but yes less than others. I see more popular apps coming in by the day so they are catching up quick. Market share is market share and who cares about that when you are buying a device. Apps yes, but not marketshare. The only app I wish I could get is Yahoo's fantasy football app. Other than that I have what I want and need.
@gshocker
Interestingly, the Nokia USA site has the 710 as "coming soon" - but no mention of the 800.
@WebSiteManager I think the 710 and a different 800 or 900 is going to be released to the US, and thats why there isn't a mention of the 800. The 710 is going to be an excellent budget minded (entry?) WP7, but the 800 simply won't offer enough to pursuade users or compete with the new Mango phones. I for one won't give a second look at something that is smaller than my current Focus' screen.
@gshocker . Nokia seems to not be currently confident in its US strategy. Makes sense seeing they have been out of the game here in such a long time. Taking more time for them to figure things out and focusing more energy to solidify their position/strategy worldwide is more efficient use of resources for a higher chance of success.
Until the US stops playing the 'fool' when it comes to sufficiently integrated phones for Zune Pass, automated backup, and fully integrated and actually 'smart' smart phones, instead of following ridiculous trends of 'lock in' provided by other mfgrs/carriers, Nokia will continue to see beyond that and provide what many (hopefully all) users will come to agree as a 'norm' for all. Nokia is just making these features stand out to spark awareness for the sleeping masses. KUDOS, Nokia, for not comprimising your customer commitment, and in many aspects, showing the unenlightened masses what they do not understand as of yet, and making it a bare minimum for your provided hardware. I for one welcome a breath of fresh air into such a stale US infrastructure of closed and non-foreward thinking architecture. This world is so much larger than the US... let loose the benefits of a world of technology into closed minds.
@gshocker Is Nokia Lumia 800 is better in performance then this phone : http://www.technologyfazer.com/apple-launched-the-iphone-4s.html Please tell me...??
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Wp7 has to few apps and games, just 1% of the market.
@Sultansulan
There are a good deal of apps nowadays, but yes less than others. I see more popular apps coming in by the day so they are catching up quick. Market share is market share and who cares about that when you are buying a device. Apps yes, but not marketshare. The only app I wish I could get is Yahoo's fantasy football app. Other than that I have what I want and need.
@OhTheHumanity

You can use Fantasty Ferret for Yahoo! Fantasy Football. Works pretty good. Give it a try.
@SmoothDouglas
I will give it a try. Thanks for the advice!
@Sultansulan So you are on a positive side today. Just the other day on the swedish Computer Sweden site you were trolling that there was NO games or apps for WP7.

Glad to se you are spreading your trolling skills outside of sweden so that everyone can se how stupid swedes are. Only crying and trolling...
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What is it missing?
A Gray 26th Oct
@Sultansulan What apps do you think are missing?
@Sultansulan I found all the apps, or good equivalents, for those I used on my iPhone, when I switched last year. Since then the number of apps has flourished...
@Sultansulan
So? Let them try and improve. It seems you have below average IQ and ambition. Yet you try to improve your life and get attention by relentless trolling all over the internet. Nothing wrong with that.
Nokia is sadly going the RIM route... These devices are DOA
@browser. Try Windows Phone, you will like it!!
@jatbains

No thx ... This device is a epic fail and the beginning of the end of Nokia! Sad, really sad ....
@Watchmen247 I switched from iPhone to WP7 last year and haven't regretted it for a second. Even the 4S, iOS 5 and Siri couldn't tempt me back.
Nokia is the company that closed their Digital Download store called Ngage and left all their customers without access to their purchases. Instead of making a transition to their newer store Ovi, they actually expected that people will pay for the same software for the same device again. They have terrible customer service and don't deserve your money. I rather buy the lame hardware from Samsung, HTC, or LG than buy anything from Nokia.
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What really amazes me
talamakara 26th Oct
Is no one at zdnet really ever says anything positive about windows or windows phone, yet article upon article blowing smoke up Apples Stem. I have a Dell Venue Pro for my current phone and it is the hardware limitations introduced by Dell, more than the OS that are the problem. If I had a HTC HD7 I wouldn't have half as many issue. I think ZDnet needs to be A LOT more neutral if they want to be taken seriously.
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palmsolo (aka Matthew Miller) 26th Oct
@talamakara All I ever write is positive about Windows Phone for the most part. However, I am also honest and even though I love Windows Phone, there are companies that mess things up and need to be called out too. I have a HD7, Dell Venue Pro, iPhone 4S, Nokia N9, etc. and am probably the most neutral person you will ever find here on ZDNet.
@palmsolo (aka Matthew Miller) that neutrality didn't stop you from slamming Android OEMs for putting Windows Phone on similar hardware only to turn around and pat Nokia on the back for doing the exact same thing but putting Windows Phone in a MeeGo device.
@palmsolo (aka Matthew Miller) I have to agree with trollCall on the Android / N9 argument (see my comment below). I also have a plethora of phones (htc Touch Pro (WM6.1), htc 7 Mozart, iPhone 3GS and htc Sensation) and I have to say, the iPhone is slipping badly.

The Touch Pro is, of course, archaic and was replaced by the 3GS, but of the "modern" phones, iOS and the 3GS is the least pleasant to use. I switched to the Mozart last year, when it was released and I love it. The only two stumbling blocks (and the reason I now carry the Mozart and Sensation - business and private SIMs) is the Mozart's inability to talk to self-signed cert Exchange Servers (it refuses point blank, even if I try and import the certs manually, iOS and Android at least tell you they are invalid but let you continue) and its lack of Audible support, currently.

I prefer the Metro interface even to Android, and I prefer both to iOS, which feels very dated now, but the Sensation is a better phone and offer the "missing" bits. I am torn, I'd love to just carry the Mozart, but it isn't an option at the moment.

But the iPhone is relegated to "testing" purposes, although I get great battery life from it, since I removed the SIM card! :-D
@palmsolo (aka Matthew Miller)

Matthew, I would say you seem quite level-headed and neutral. By the way, I've really been enjoying your N9 coverage; some good reporting there. Also, it's nice to hear yours is on its way soon. Mine too! happy
@wright_is We have an exchange server with self signed cert. I just emailed the cert to my phone, installed it and had no issues connecting. Although it would be nice to just "allow" the cert, I think for business reasons its a good thing that its not easily circumvented by a user clicking "ok".
@daler I mailed the certs as well, even the parent certs, but it just refuses to connect. I've tried half a dozen different methods, but nothing works.

I think the problem is that the cert is for "server.domain.local" and I attach to the server over "mail.domain.de", because it is self signed and for an invalid domain, the phone just seems to reject it as a security risk...
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I think it is just great ...
P. Douglas Updated - 26th Oct
... how Nokia seems so much more excited about Windows Phone, than even MS! Also the company is coming out with differentiating hardware, software, services, and branding / marketing - unlike HTC, Samsung, et al. E.g. the build of the Nokia phones set them apart from the competition. Nokia's navigation app / service is better than anything I've seen on Windows Phone; Nokia's music app / service is better than any third party music app I've seen on Windows Phone, and rivals Zune. These apps / services have some real innovations! Nokia's branding / marketing efforts look great as well! All these things are a far cry from the warmed over efforts by other WP7 hardware vendors.
@P. Douglas Nokia doesn't make any effort to keep their customers satisfied, they just want their money.
@P. Douglas

I disagree, I think HTC is probably the best phone hardware on the market, ESP if you are like me and are using 4th party apps and cooked ROMS.
The hardware must feel better than it looks, cause it looks like a toy!
@darren@...

Hmmm. Looked at an iPhone or Android device lately - they look like antiques wink
Lets call it FAILPHONE ! Micro$oft will never overtake the mobile business, like they did with desktop OS and office-SW .... hopefully!
@Watchmen247
So original man. Just let the competition play out and don't get all worried about it!
@Watchmen247 And is that the reason you don't have a Windows Phone? Because they won't overtake the mobile business? Go ahead and let your true feeling be known instead of using weak market predictions to hide your hate.
@Watchmen247

Always interesting to see MS compete on a level playing field.
@Watchmen247

You clearly have never used, seen in action, more than just saw in a store or photos online - if you have used, interacted with, demoed a WP (especially with Mango) you'd feel differently.

You can do your own Video search but there are some great videos of Iphone 4's side by side, no gimicks, no messing around, and the WP boots faster, browser opens faster, IE9 displays web pages faster, and in numerous reviews it has been noted that the Zune media player is superior to the iPhone's media player.

I suspect IOS5 will be much improved. In fact reviews I have read and demos I have seen reveal a lot of improvements such as granular control of notifications and iCloud.

WP has the SkyDrive, Zune Media services, XBox Services, and most of the apps that most people want.

There have been a couple of apps that I'd like, often related to where I work in Health Care, and my bank doesn't offer a WP7 app.

So as for Marketshare, clearly it is important to get probably to that 15 or 20 percent mark before the rest of the meaningful apps will be ported.

Bottom line though is performance, apps, stability, usability, and comfort factor.

I have the Dell Venu Pro, it is a very nice phone, and the vertical sliding kb is just awesome.

If you have not used a WP7 then you cannot possibly speak about it.

I have used Android, and I have used iPhone 4 enough (setting up, connecting to exchange, activation of course, and testing) to know that I don't like those platforms nearly as much.

Android is just a mess, hodge-podge of patchworks of puzzle pieces - that is what it feels like!

iPhone, well maybe iOS 5 is going to rock but the earlier versions simply don't stack up on UI, on performance, on UI features, and simplicity.

WP7 is very simple, very clean, very easy to use.

Just my views.
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So the last 12 months have been a complete waste of time, and Microsoft is even further behind the competition than we thought!
@ldo17

Behind the competition? In marketshare certainly but in quality, performance, features, user experience, stability, security, and overall usability - they are ahead of all.
@ldo17
Yea almost 7 million phone's sold in one year(better than Andriod in it's first yr) and it's a waste of time. SMH....
@stm24 That's right, I forgot, as far as Dimdows Phone is concerned, it's still 2008, you're not supposed to compare it to what customers are buying in 2011. Microsoft is destined to COMPLETELY CONQUER the 2008 smartphone market! Eat that, you Android players in a future that hasn't happened yet!
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Why a carrier?
wright_is 26th Oct
Why does it have to be "on a carrier"? Here, in Germany, I generally walk into a shop, select the phone I want and then ask how much it will cost on the carrier I want.

You can buy from the carriers shop, but I generally look in a general electronics store and end up with an unbranded model.

As to the Lumina 800, the design doesn't really speak to me. The curved screen is interesting, but the bezel just looks "wrong". :-S

I agree about the camera, I got my first video phone in 2002 (a Nokia) and, apart from my iPhone 3GS and my Mozart, every phone since has had 3G video - well, the Sensation doesn't do 3G video, but it does have a front facing camera. And I've never used any of them.

You also said, you were disappointed with htc, Samsung et al, because they took Android models and slapped WP7 on them, then in the next breath, you say that Nokia have taken the N9, stripped out the NFC and front camera and slapped WP7 on it; how is that different?

I do agree, I think Nokia have done a good job, but I don't see anything in the Lumina that has me clammering for an upgrade.
@wright_is HTC and Samsung do not try to undersell their android phones, do they?
Have a Blackberry, iPhone and now a Samsung Windows 7 phone. I also carried an HTC Android phone for short periods but only for software test purposes. For the last 3 months I only use the Windows phone. Although the US market doesn't realize it yet, the Windows Mango operating system makes a great phone OS. My 17 year old daughter selected a Samsung Windows phone vs. iPhone or Andriod because the Zune music portion of it and social media integration is MUCH better than what is on iPhone and Android devices. She even said is "cooler" than the iPhone.

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