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Is the Microsoft brand helping or hurting Windows Phone 7?

By | May 20, 2011, 7:28am PDT

Summary: Windows Phone 7 is a modern and functional operating system, but adoption seems to be rather slow. What can Microsoft do to engage consumers?

Regular readers know I am a fan of the Windows Phone 7 operating system and after my post yesterday on a couple new WP7 devices I received an email from ZDNet reader Brandon Murray detailing why he thought WP7 is not selling well (his email is included below) and I have to say I agree with his opinion that it may be due to the Microsoft name and branding.

I remember years ago at a Mobius meeting with Microsoft when they told us that the Microsoft brand is a trusted, world wide brand and that this brand was one major reason they were going with the Windows Phone naming strategy. I personally enjoy using Microsoft products such as Windows 7, Exchange, Word, and Excel and since they are located here in Washington State I do have positive feelings about them and their contribution to our state. I have only heard friends and family slamming Microsoft for Vista, but otherwise people do seem happy with the brand. It seems that the Microsoft name is bashed in the press quite a bit to the point they make it sound like Microsoft is some evil entity whose only desire it to take over the world and that just isn’t the case.

Back in 2000 when the first Pocket PC was launched we saw that Microsoft was trying to bring the desktop to a handheld device and for years we had devices with Start menus and a design like a small PC. The new Windows Phone 7 UI is completely different and I think Microsoft should have went with a totally new branding, as Brandon clearly points out too. Xbox is a very successful product for Microsoft, although their Zune is not so just having a different name for a product is not enough. Check out what Brandon had to say below:

In my opinion, WP7 isn’t selling because of Microsoft. Specifically, the Microsoft brand. It’s become so apparent the last few years that Microsoft might put out really cool stuff, but because they are Microsoft, those products are going to face a steep perception battle in the marketplace before they will be adopted.

Microsoft isn’t sexy. Apple is smoking. Google is kinda sexy for geeks, but everyone likes what Google does for them. Microsoft is the old has-been who hangs around the bar talking about all the great things he did back in the 80s.

That’s the perception. I think MS is doing great things even today–I’m a SharePoint architect and I love my WP7–but they have a significant branding problem because of that perception. I think MS recognizes this problem, and in order to combat it, they’ve lately been throwing the Microsoft and/or Windows name on their new, cool products: Microsoft Kin (big fail there), Windows 7, Windows Phone 7. With WP7 I think the idea is: make a cool phone OS that everyone loves, put the name Windows on it, and then the Windows brand will start regaining cool factor because of its association with the cool new phone.

The risk is obvious, though: when you try to resuscitate a declining brand by associating it with a cool new product, it’s just as likely (if not more so) that the declining brand will drag the cool new product down with it and make it less cool.

As a final example, what’s Microsoft’s most successful new product (in the consumer space) for the past few years? Xbox. Not Windows Xbox or Microsoft Xbox. It’s just Xbox in people’s minds and it’s sexy if you’re a gamer.

Compare that to Windows Phone. A great platform with horrible branding. Apple is hot! Buy an iPhone. Google is cool! Buy an Android. Windows is XP! Buy a Windows Phone?

The current Windows Phone 7 devices are not on the cutting edge with specifications and many of the devices are modified 2010 hardware. Then again, many of today’s modern smartphones are black slabs and consumers likely don’t know or care about all of the internal specs so I think there is something going on more than just having Windows Phone 7 on last year’s hardware.

If they handle the partnership with Nokia the right way they have a chance to reach millions of Nokia fans with a modern OS, but I think they need to market and sell it in a compelling manner to succeed without turning off all of these Nokia fans. So, what can Microsoft do to convince people to give Windows Phone 7 devices a try?

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RE: Is the Microsoft brand helping or hurting Windows Phone 7?
tomlin21-24319035676893835085146735905770 11th Oct
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My thoughts on lack of Window 7 adoption:
1. No Flash 10.x mobile (same as S^3).
2. The only company less "Open" over the years than MS has been Apple. MS may be trying to fix that, but Android is.
3. Multi-tasking isn't there yet on WP7.
4. No OTA updates.
5. MS typically charges a pretty penny for their Desktop Software. What makes us think they won't do the same for WP7 and beyond Apps?
6. No tethering
I understand some of these issues may be fixed in next WP (Mango) version, but I am not sure MS will be open (will they allow tethering if Verizon and AT&T tell them not to?).
The above reasons are ones that concern me. May not matter to others, but I think they may matter more to current Nokia owners and it may be problem MS has in winning over converts.
@jkohut: Windows Phone 7. Windows 7 has none of those problems.

Regarding number 5. You know how much Apple charges for it's software? A fortune. It won't happen. The market won't allow it.
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@bradavon It takes about 5 seconds to compare the price of Apple software to MS software.

I think that $29 vs $200 for an OS upgrade (retail, non-OEM) and $80 vs $400 for an office suite should give you a clue.
@wackoae You have to look at the type of OS upgrade, def between windows verisons huge, differents between Mac OS X very small like a big service pack
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browser. Updated - 21st May 2011
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Nonsense
Mister Spock 20th May 2011
@browser.
Speaking of photocopiers, I see yours is functioning adequately, as yours is just a rehash of the standard, false propaganda that those like you repeat time, and time again.
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@Mister Spock Dont get me wrong... I use all the technologies available for me. I love my Windows 7 install, like a lot of what Google does and absolutely love my Macbook pro and iPad. I dont own an iPhone just because I do not like to carry multiple phones and RIM has shoven a crapberry down my throat. But I am sure you would agree with me that MS sat on their laurels and deserve where they are with WP7. It almost makes Steve Jobs right. They were 5 years ahead when they released the original iPhone. You can see those features in WP 7 after 5 years and in a crapberry never!
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Of course...
ScorpioBlue 20th May 2011
Mr. faux pointy ears won't tell you why you're wrong. That would be illogical.

happy
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Apple was patient...
cosuna 20th May 2011
@Mister Spock :

No false propaganda. Apple was patient and slowly developed the ecosystem. They started small, but rev up as soon as they had the tools there.

Microsoft, on the other hand, first dissed Apple and sat there just watching. Then they reacted too slow with a platform that's skin deep. Only the UI (not the UX) people did their homework. Down below it's rusty and undependable. That's the real reason for the upgrades delays. Mango's gonna be even worse, as they are changing the framework to support multitasking. Combine that and a retooled browser and you have a nightmarish situation. WP8, well that's an even riskier situation as nobody has tested the Windows NT kernel with low power, low performance chips.

Trust me. This is no false propaganda.
@cosuna
Speaking of skin deep, I'm sick of hearing negative things about the pre-iPhone Windows Mobile 2003/5/6. iPhone was 5 years ahead? Don't make me laugh! As an operating system WM6.5 kicks the pants off any of the other 'modern' mobile OSes.

Multitasking - check
Copy-paste - (is that even a real feature????) check
Multimedia - check
Customisable interface - check
Task Manager - check
GPS - check
Exchange/Outlook integration - check
Network suppoort - check
Open platform - check
Touchscreen interface - check
Bluetooth Serial - check
Backwards compatibility - check

I'm tired of listing features - I'm going to stop.....

Windows Mobile ALWAYS had these things. It is the world that has gone mad - not Microsoft! They are just TRYING to give the bunch of 'know-it-all' eejits what they are clamouring for! But alas they are used to making REAL software you see.....?

You want to know why WP7 is not doing so well? Why exactly would business be interested in a toy phone with no useful features and 0 backwards compatibilty? It's gonna be Blackberry or RIM or Nokia and if you have a loud team of execs and sales force, they will probably all have iPhones (for no other reason than because it's shiny and everyone else has one).
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@ Traxxion: How can you say "all modern" operating systems? Android has everything on your list and more.

Windows Mobile always was powerful but the interface and complicated nature of it stank. Take the keyboard for example, it was absolutely minute.

Setting up bluetooth really shouldn't be that complicated, hidden or in so many menus.
@ bradavon
"How can you say "all modern" operating systems? Android has everything on your list and more."

Well Android is at least a fairly open platform and the line is fuzzier. Personally, I think Windows Mobile is better, albeit marginally and I don't accept people bashing something that they do not understand. I'm merely pointing out that there are no real advances being offered by these other OSes (especially the pathetic iPhone) and that MS do not deserve the absolute torrent of stupidity that surrounds us. Those slating Windows Mobile for being 'outdated' should take a look at their history - end of.

I was tempted to buy an Android device this time around, but after my wife bought a Samsung Galaxy, I have opted to buy a 1GHZ snapdragon WM6.5 device instead. Android is still quite buggy and does not offer me the experience I am used to. Maybe next time.....

I haven't had any real difficulties with bluetooth. I think its menu placement in Settings->Bluetooth is fairly straight forward??? On Android you have to dig through ream of icons for almost every individual setting since it does not have a proper settings menu, so I fail to see your point? or at least I beg to differ.....



Windows Mobile always was powerful but the interface and complicated nature of it stank. Take the keyboard for example, it was absolutely minute.

Setting up bluetooth really shouldn't be that complicated, hidden or in so many menus. bradavon
@browser. its hardly behind. Yes it lacks some features. After using WP7 for about half a year i wouldnt go back to Android.

Not willing to go to the iPhone cause i cant stand apple. And their whole brand image. By no means its not an old OS. It does what it says it does and does it very well. Ive use a Galaxy S for a week few weeks ago and eventually gave it away to my gf cause i still prefer WP7 because it gets things done for me faster and i prefer the sleep consistent UI
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@browser.

Hey iNaive, when Mango comes out it will blow your iOSCrap (and droid OS for that matter) out of the water. How about an HTML5 browser thats 20 times faster than your crappy mobile safari??? Yeah, IE 9.
How about a phone with a new sleek, ultra responsive, super stable, UI , and not a windows 95 set of icons like your itrash?
How about the BEST outlook/exchange experience on mobile?
How about office 365 with skydrive built into the oS ?
How about xbox game integration and awesome games?
How about tethering?
How about integated shazam (bing audio) and bing vision?
How about turn by turn voice guided gps?
How about Netflix???? (sorry Android users)
How about better multiasking than what you iphone can do?
How about easier coding for developers than what your ios has? - (which eventually will equal better apps for wp7)
How about a phone that can integrate with social networking natively, and have chat natively (no app launching required)
How about the ability to choose your hardware to suite your needs, and not be locked into one phone like your iphone???
And there are many others I can't think of right now.....

People like you are WHY WINDOWS PHONE 7 IS HAVING A HARD TIME ENTERING INTO THE CONSUMER MINDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Especially after Mango, if consumers still refuse to adopt the platform, then they DEFINITELY are iNaive, OR they have a serious perception issue. Because it WON'T be from lack of features.

I'm getting tired of the ignorance in some people.
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Please don't get tired...
cosuna Updated - 20th May 2011
@mikroland : after mango, after mango...

So you, and the WP people think Google and Apple are going to stay put until Mango.

Let's knock down all your claims:
- Fast browser. Mmmh. Not. IE9 is fast using 45W GPUs. Not on PowerVR.
- New sleek, ultra responsive, super stable UI. Nahh. Add multitasking to a sandboxed CLR framework and you'r gonna have JIT nightmares. On ARM? Yeah right. Check out the compact framework programs for Windows Mobile to get the truth.
- BEST outlook/exchange experience. Well, yes, if you have Exchange 2010. Else it's OWA, just like iPhone and Android.
- Office 365. You mean the one that was down. The one that only support OOXML and hiccups with OpenDocument. The one that depends on SkyDrive. The one that cannot open more than one document on Hotmail. The one that failed when it was called Docs.com
- XBox gaming. Wow. Using what Cell processor? Or do you mean in MANAGED XNA using the JIT. iPhone games are native C++ or Objective C. Direct metal. Even MonoTouch compiles directly. Same with Unity. Apple does not allow it any other way.

Should I go on...

Please get your Technical facts straight then post. Else, Mango is just like "Copland" or "Pink" or "Workplace OS", those wonderful follow up OS by Apple and IBM which were just vaporware.
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@mikroland
Especially after Mango, if consumers still refuse to adopt the platform, then they DEFINITELY are iNaive, OR they have a serious perception issue. Because it WON'T be from lack of features.

And that?s the way to win friend and influence people? If they don?t run right out and buy the phone you choose they are stupid? Remember Microsoft had a phone that touted it was a ?social? phone, the name was Kin. We all know how well that worked out? The one that has serious perception issues is Microsoft. They over promised, and under delivered. Is there anyone with any cognitive ability, that cannot see the reason that WP7SOS phones are not selling well? Apple activated more iPhones on Verizon in Six weeks than WP7SOS phones have since it was launched. That in itself is very telling of how the general public feels about WP7SOS phones. If sales were going as well as some on here think, Microsoft would be taking out full page ads proclaiming how great it was. Microsoft?s only safe bet is to give away free stuff, to entice people to buy the phones. Maybe give away an xbox, and a Windows 7 PC, to anyone that buys a phone.
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@mikroland
oh, so AFTER mango.

Like- "if people still refuse to vote Republican, then they DEFINITELY are iNaive, OR they have a serious perception issue. ".Imagine if a company like Chrysler said: "if consumers still refuse to adopt our car, then they DEFINITELY are iNaive, OR they have a serious perception issue. ".
in other words 'it's the consumers fault they're not buying us (they are to blame) because we did everything right (it's not our fault)'. That's great for a chuckle.
It's not our job or responsibility to buy WP7. Your brain is scattered- try to collect yourself. With WP7 zealots like yourself, I also see why the platform is having difficulty.

Like they say in sports- check the scoreboard.

Should be called WP1 since it's a brand new platform.
@browser.
"still they cannot COPY them properly"

Who cares, honestly I've had my HD7 for a month, and I've only used copy and paste feature a few times. Heck, the only time I use copy and paste is when I'm researching for something, and I'd never do anything like that on a small mobile device. Smart phones are content consuming devices not made for a computer replacement.
@mgaul
I think you missed his point. He?s saying that Microsoft didn?t copy the iPhone from 2007 in late 2010. It was the Windows fanboys that made a big deal over cut, copy, and paste. For two years they made a big deal about the iPhone not having it. When WP7SOS was released without that very same feature, suddenly it was not a big deal. In reality it was never a big deal, but that did not stop them from making a mountain out of a molehill. What you are seeing is the tables being turned on the people that companied about the iPhone. THere were people that made a big deal about jailbroken iPhone being bricked by an iOS update, yet they wanted to give Microsoft a pass when ?No Do? bricked normal WP7SOS phones. These very same people complained that it was Apple?s fault that an update bricked modified iPhones, yet it was Samsung?s fault that a Microsoft update bricked non modified WP7SOS phones.
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Choke Point.
P. Douglas Updated - 20th May 2011
@browser,

MS' main choking point appears to be sales at stores. MS needs to ensure that very slick pre-configured WP7 phones (that include full, rich information about one of several pre-set users, as well as several great looking apps) are made available to stores. MS should also have salespersons compete to sell the most WP7 every month in stores, in order to win rewards. This should not only drive sales, but induce salespersons to learn more about and better appreciate WP7 devices.
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Might not work
Robert Hahn 20th May 2011
@P. Douglas A lot of the stores won't let you spiff their salespeople. They want their employees working for them, not you. The way to get the effect you want is to bribe the end users: "buy a Windows phone before July 4th and get Windows mobile Office free".
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Microsoft Booths
P. Douglas 20th May 2011
Robert Hahn,

Well maybe MS should systematically place MS stores all over the place - from booths, to tiny stores, to large stores - and tell people to either buy WP7 phones online, or at MS stores.
@Robert Hahn
FYI, Windows Mobile Office is free with any Windows Mobile and Windows Phone 7 devices.
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@browser: The WP7 UI is quite different to iOS though.

Even if Microsoft have blatantly copied lots of Apple's ideas. In all, they know from experience fragmented operating systems cause problems. Microsoft before Android had multiple versions out in the market.

But yes I do agree Microsoft have only got themselves to blame. They literally invented the term "smartphone" and from 2001 until 2007 literally were the only smartphone OS available. Yet they did absolutely nothing with this potential.

They're now so late to the party, they've got no chance. Android has replaced Windows Mobile as the go to OS for OEMs to use and Android's free.
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Does it matter?
bmgoodman 20th May 2011
What name would you suggest, assuming that the Windows name turns out to be hurting sales? Xbox Phone? Isn't that very limiting?

What's hurting sales of Windows Phone is (A) missing features, (B) missteps like the version update debacle, (C) last year's hardware, and (D) not enough available models. Throw in lack of sizzle in the marketing and lack of communication with the Windows Phone community, and you have nearly a perfect storm of failure.

But with all that said, I think roping Nokia into this situation *will* begin to turn things around in 2012. All is NOT lost, as many people continue to upgrade cell phones MUCH more often than computers.
@bmgoodman

Really? I went from an iPhone to a Droid. Most that had iPhones went out and got an iPhone. Why? They already have the apps, have the accessores, have the knowledge of the platform.

Few are going to ditch what they have and know if it works well.

Not to mention people will go by what their friends have.
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It's 2011, not 2010
cosuna 20th May 2011
@bmgoodman : It's not last year technology. These phones are 1Ghz Snapdragons, just like the original Droid, launched in October 2009.

They don't offer tethering. No WiFi hotspot. No hot swap SD (now and never). Windows Embedded Compact 6.0 R3 can't deal with NFC. Silverlight doesn't support printing APIs (nobody has tried to print the complex renders of WPF unless its XML Paper). Last but not least, the SDK offers no native access, that means no camera (forget about WordLens or any augmented reality apps) and no compass.

With that said, they are not only feature incomplete but the SDK is just a 1.0 release.
@cosuna I rarely need to print from my PC, whey the hell would I need to print from a smartphone.

Out of the idiotic complains about the lack of this or that on smartphones, print is the most ridiculous one.
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A/B/C
jjworleyeoe 20th May 2011
@bmgoodman

A - Mango will give consumers just about everything they really need in a smartphone today. And like Apple and Google, M$ will continue to rapidly improve WP.

B - Apple and Google had the same missteps when they rolled out their first updates.

C - Apple has their own hardware. It took Google about 18 months to gain sufficient traction for the H/W manufactures to start rolling out NextGEN H/W on Google. Honestly, w/o MT why does WP need dual core processors? Well, with Mango in play, let's see what kind of H/W Nokia rolls out as well as HTC, Samsung, etc.

D - Verizon is doing everything they can to hold back WP. For example, they're launching with just one WP, which is a joke.

Lack of sizzle: Now, we're back to why Matthew wrote the article. Brandon's point is without a doubt a major problem for WP. M$ should have gone with the Zune name. Everyone with any knowledge knows the last Zune was as good or better that the iPod touch, except in two critical areas: apps and marketing.

Well, M$ is well on its way with correcting the apps problem, but the marketing remains WP's Achilles heal. Again, Brandon hit the nail on the head. Branding and marketing are major limitations for M$ and WP.

Finally, the Kin fiasco remains, for now, a major blow to WP. And, the main reason for this is that it sent M$ down a dead end for nearly two years and delayed WP by an equal amounts. Had Kin never been born, M$ easily could have been neck and neck with Android and the iPhone in terms of a much more polished and feature loaded product by this point in time. Moreover, the Zune brand and functionality could have been more quickly merged into the WP code base. In fact, we could have had all of the current functionality of NoDo in a Zune based phone at least a year ago with what by now would be probably approaching 100,000 apps.
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@jjworleyeoe
Mango will give consumers just about everything they really need in a smartphone today. And like Apple and Google, M$ will continue to rapidly improve WP.

So youre saying that Mango is what should have been released originally? Being that WP7SOS is not a new mobile OS (the Kin was the first iteration), but Microsoft doesnt want that known. Coming out three years later, with what someone else did in 2007 does not make for a compelling product.

Apple has their own hardware. It took Google about 18 months to gain sufficient traction for the H/W manufactures to start rolling out NextGEN H/W on Google. Honestly, w/o MT why does WP need dual core processors? Well, with Mango in play, let's see what kind of H/W Nokia rolls out as well as HTC, Samsung, etc.

By sometime next year HTC, Samsung, etc. might give up on WPxSOS. This may turn out like plays-for-sure, where Microsoft leaves partners stranded. IT has happened more than once in the past, so H/W manufacturers should keep a watchful eye on Microsoft.

Verizon is doing everything they can to hold back WP. For example, they're launching with just one WP, which is a joke.

What would you expect Verizon to do? After being burned by the Kin disaster, Verizon probably doesnt trust Microsoft very much. There are other reasons, like being snubbed when WP7SOS was introduced.
@bmgoodman
and the price....
All the WP7 handsets are way more expensive than equivalent (or better) Android phones, or the iPhone. WP7 is the underdog - it should be priced as such. The reason that Xbox has been so successful is the great hardware at keen prices with amazing features and software. WP7 is not exactly cutting the consumer a lot of slack on those counts.
@Traxxion
The reason that Xbox has been so successful is the great hardware at keen prices with amazing features and software.

Not really, the reason it has seen any success at all is the time advantage. It was released a year before the PS 3, and has a smaller installed user base. Sure Microsoft has shipped more, but as far as demand, I just do not see it as being there. Also of note Microsoft does not distinguish the difference between warranty replacements and new units when calculating shipped units.
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More expensive? Are you kidding?
wackoae 21st May 2011
@Traxxion They are giving them away FOR FREE (since the first month WP7 was released) and hardly anybody is buying them.

Yes, a lot of crapware Android phones are also given away for free, but at least they are "selling" ... not just collecting dust.
@wackoae
"They are giving them away FOR FREE "

Not in my country they aren't - unless you consider ?35/month to be free????? and WP7 is not half the OS WM6.5 was, so why would I pay that?

@Rick_K
"Not really, the reason it has seen any success at all is the time advantage. It was released a year before the PS 3"

Not only was it released a year before, but it is the better games machine and it has the Xbox Live service to support it. I am also counting the XBox1 as a success because it came from nothing and went straight for the mighty Sony PS2 (which was launched more than a year before it) and was clearly a well made machine. Financially Xbox1 was not a success due to the setup cost, but in terms of a brand name it did well and Xbox is now synonymous with serious gamers. I'm not bashing the PS3, but I think the Xbox360 is a far superior games machine and I'm not even a serious gamer. So in short, I disagree - the Xbox is successful, because it is excellent. Could have been better - yes, but it is still a great gaming platform.
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The Microsoft brand name is what is helping sell the WP7 products. People see Microsoft on their PCs and their applications so they are quite familiar with it. Even the games with Microsoft's name on it are wonderful. There isn't much need for a rebranding with WP7, Microsoft and Windows are synonymous. That is how they have sold 1.6 million phones thus far and the numbers are continuing to go up. Even the analysts predict WP7 to be #2 in a couple of years. A rebranding would hurt them and sales.
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@LoverockDavidson

Rebranding would be a mistake now, but I don't think they should have gone with the Windows / Microsoft brand to begin with.

The number of people that will perform a dispassionate analysis of the merits of competing products before making an informed decision is much smaller than those that think "x is cool, gimme one". I think if you did word association with most people and said "Windows" or "Microsoft" they'd think "work", not a good thing for a consumer product.

That says, Blackberry was always seen as a very corporate brand in Britain and is now mega-popular amongst younger users because of Blackberry Messenger. If MS can leverage Skype in a similar fashion it'll help a lot.
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@OffsideInVancouver
I think if you did word association with most people and said "Windows" or "Microsoft" they'd think "work", not a good thing for a consumer product.

I've been told just the opposite by the linux crowd. What people use at work is what they will use at home. So if they are using Microsoft Windows at work they will use it at home.
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The only way they get to #2
GoPower 20th May 2011
Is if Nokia keeps their market share while shifting to the WP7 OS, might not happen...

@LoverockDavidson
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@GoPower
I'm sure Nokia will keep their market share. They have a devoted fanbase that won't let a switch of operating systems make them move away.
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@GoPower
The only problem is the current Nokia user base is invested in Symbian. Nokia is losing marketshare in the ?smartphone? segment, so switching to WPxSOS will not change that. Abandoning the current developers and telling your customers they have to repurchase all their apps is not going to go over that well.
@LoverockDavidson
Then there are the bizarre people that think that first something should be corrected in the other markets where MS is active. That there should be real competition there. It looks that the mobile market is changing that situation step by step. But WP7 having a big market share may stop or slow down that evolution. And that would destroy that prospect for the user. Why is MS investing that much?
Not many consumers look that far, but those who do may be well informed people. The ones often asked for advice.
But seriously would you like WP7 have a big marked share if that is the way they realize it? If what "Barnes & Noble says Microsoft is attacking Android with its patent-infringement claims" (Mary Jo Foley April 27) is even partly true? Even with the legal style, the document is worth reading.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/54079335/Microsoft-v-Barnes-and-Noble
Should we also go in to the monopoly sleep for the mobile market ones competitions has been silenced?
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Yet Brandon Murray is also discounting
Mister Spock 20th May 2011
That Microsoft is always in the top group of respected companies, along with Apple, Google, Coca-cola, proctor and Gamble, ect.

Not 65, not 72, not 125; but the top 10-15 (depending on the survey).

XBox360 is quite popular, as is Windows7, as is Kinect. Zune? Not so much, but what other MP3 player has come close to approaching the iPod? Yet it did rise past other MP3 players to take the number 2 spot (or 3, once again depending on the survey).

The perception is that Apple is the only cool one, all else has an uphill battle; Android is not popular due to the fact that it says Google on it (as the Nexus S would be selling far and above all else, yet it is not) it's popularity is that it is all there was for those that did not wish to purchase an iPhone.

Add to that the fact that Android is placed on such low end hardware that customers purchased without he slight care of what the OS was has helped push "adoption".

It is not that is says Microsoft on the device which is hurting sales, it is that Microsoft has not done enough to let consumers know that such devices exist.

XBox360 and Kinect are Microsoft branded devices which sell extreamlly well.

They are also the only two Microsoft hardware products that I remember seeing on television to a degree approaching Apple's ads in terms of quantity.
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@Mister Spock

Respected does not equal "cool" or "fun". Who doesn't respect MS Office? But I don't turn to my trusty Excel spreadsheet when I'm looking to have a good time.

As for Xbox and Kinect, they actually strengthen my point, as I said in the email. Both are successful, and both do not have Microsoft or Windows as part of their street name. No one says, "Yeah, I just bought a Microsoft Xbox the other day, and it's awesome!" But we WP7 users do have to say "My phone is a Windows Phone. It's really cool, believe me! It's not much like Windows at all."
Hardware, hardware, hardware. Why would i pay today's prices for 2yr old technology. No multitasking, no 4g, no dual core. If MS wants to join a 3yr old market, they need to leapfrog the competition. And they aren't.

Release a half-baked OS to start (no c/p?)
update it to be still less-than-competitive (no navigation? no 3rd party multitasking?)
talk about CURRENT technology/features as "available later" - do they not realize how fast this industry evolves? by the time MS gets to where hardware/features are today, the hardware/features will have gone the next step, and again they're behind.

I fully plan on buying a WP7 but it will be off-contract and RIGHT before VZW goes tiered data. This will afford me getting one IF ms ever gets up-to-date on technology in the space, AND VZW gets its hands out of Google's pants long enough to pick up more WP7 devices.
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Michael Alan Goff 20th May 2011
You do realize that Microsoft doesn't have anything to do with the hardware, right?
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ego.sum.stig@... 21st May 2011
No one who writes software does so without regard to the hardware. So, in essence Microsoft does indeed drive the hardware requirements. On the other hand the hardware folk also do some of the driving as well.
@bc3tech I got my Focus for $50. You don't have to pay today's prices for 2 year-old technology. The fact that more people aren't buying that Focus for $50 like I did means that it's not just about the pricing.
@bran.e.murray
and see if salespeople have an incentive to push particular models. When I did retail phone sales years ago at a part time job, Verizon paid special incentives (SPIFFS) for sales of particular models, many depending on what the cell makers where offering.

Maybe Google gives an "incentive" to HTC if they move so many Android phones a month, something that NTC then passes a bit onto carriers in froms of lower cost per device.

You're so hard up to make it about branding you may be overlooking the obvious.

WP7 Trophey goes on sale on June 2nd at Verizon, Which I want to check out. I'll pick my words carefully and see what they try to lead me towards, maybe you should do the same, see if its somethig beyond the name, instead more towards something you may not be seeing otherwise.

We'll compare notes a week later here.
What's hurting WP7 is the lack of apps. I'm a big fan of iOS and Android, have had several phones on both platforms, but will also say that my favorite UI in form AND function is WP7's.

The issue though is the lack of applications that have become core to the smartphone experience. I know the argument that that iOS didn't have applications for a year, and Android didn't pick up for a year either. However, those platforms lacked applications when applications were still a novelty. Expectations today are different. The Focus I have now is one my favorite phones ever, but I'm sorely missing applications like whatsapp, groupme, evernote and the economist. Even the applications that are there are severely limited; you can't checkin on yelp, you can't get push notifications on several applications, etc. The lack of multi-tasking also hurts.

Yes, I know that iOS and Android had the same issues at launch, but they launched in 2007 and 2008. WP7 launched in late 2010, and while I do believe that they had the best launch OS, the are compared against the iPhone 4 and the HTC Evo, not the 2G iPhone and the tMobile G1.
@rohitgarewal

And this my friends is the problem.

Let me preface my post by saying I owned a iPhone 3G up until January. When it met an unfortunate end, I decided to eschew the iPhone 4 and try something different. So I got a WP7 Samsung Focus. It's a very nice phone. Easily usable in some respects.

But the lack of standard features was a bit mind boggling. Not really deal breakers. But...what was the reason for the lack of something as simple as custom ringtones?

I completely agree with the availability of some really essential apps for smartphones and to also add that the interface for the Marketplace needs to be overhauled. Its the one area I find cumbersome with the WP7 UI compared to an iTunes.

And everyone goes on about the Mango update and its features are all well in good. But whose to say we won't be subjected to the same fiasco we had to endure with the Feb and March updates?

I also know the popular argument is to say "the other guys had their mistakes too". Well, that's irrelevant IMO. Apple and Google have introduced features that should have been high on MS list to include with the phone from day one. The argument would hold weight if the WP7 was introduced around the same time as these guys. It wasn't. They had time to include them. What were they doing with that time?

I have no choice but to give my phone a chance as I don't have the money to shell for a new one and I am still early in my contract and can't afford to cancel and then commit to a new one. I am just hoping they've learned from the earlier mishaps and we get somewhat smooth sailing from here
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