Sacked for mentioning job was boring on Facebook...
Summary: Kimberley Swann of Clacton on Sea in England was fired from her job at Ivell Marketing and Logistics Limited after she wrote that her job was dull on her Facebook profile."all i do is shred holepunch n scan paper!!!
Kimberley Swann of Clacton on Sea in England was fired from her job at Ivell Marketing and Logistics Limited after she wrote that her job was dull on her Facebook profile.
"all i do is shred holepunch n scan paper!!! omg!'" ... "im so totally bord!!!" 16-year-old Swann said she never mentioned by name the company she was employed by. Her former boss at Ivell Marketing and Statistics, Steve Ivell, claimed the firing was justified as Swann 'publicly' posted comments and shared them with coworkers.
The UK tabloids have had a field day with this story (Murdoch's 'The Sun' headline 'Social not-working'...) - social networking firings due to employee indiscretions seem to sell papers in the UK, with Virgins' public firings of Facebook using flight crew last year and British Airways more recent termination of staff for calling passengers 'smelly and annoying', also on Facebook.
Kimberley's brief work saga could have been made for the comedy program 'The Office' - Ivell Marketing and Logistics Limited have done a great job of raising their profile in all the wrong ways and hopefully Miss Swann made enough for a few drinks from the tabloids. Essex BBC got a few quotes:
Her mother, Janette, 41, said: "I think she's been treated totally unfairly. She didn't mention the company's name.
"This is a 16-year-old child we're talking about. She says Clacton is boring but we're not going to throw her out of the house for it."
Mr Ivell said: "Ivell Marketing is a small, close-knit family company and it is very important that all the staff work together in harmony.
"Had Miss Swann put up a poster on the staff notice board making the same comments and invited other staff to read it there would have been the same result."
TUC general secretary Brendan Barber said employers needed "thicker skins" in relation to social networking websites.
She said: "Most employers wouldn't dream of following their staff down the pub to see if they were sounding off about work to their friends."
(The TUC is the Trades Union Congress, a federation representing the majority of United Kingdom unions).
The last comment by Brendan Barber is right on the money from a UK cultural perspective: historically a few pints, cigarettes and grumbles after work in the pub has been a popular way to unwind. Management could set foot in the same bar and eavesdrop, but they are more likely to be in a different one grumbling about their staff as well....
Forging a close knit team has to take into account these cultural safety valves, and this is clearly the way Facebook was being used on this occasion. To be fair to employer Ivell, there may well be more to this than we know. Kimberley may have been a socially corrosive team employee. Nevertheless, this does appear to be yet another fascinating cultural clash of the ages: it would be interesting to know if Ivell, who provide Asian outsourcing services, are using modern collaborative technologies internally.
I'll contact them to find out after al the excitement has died down. I've befriended Kimberley on Facebook also and will get her perspective as well. She's 'gana b on bbc look east 2nyt at 6.30' if you're in the UK and want to tune in...
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Not a big deal to me....
It's still creepy
So what do we do? Put on our happy face every second of every day because the wrong person could hear? Not ever think of blowing off steam because God forbid someone could see it? No thanks, that's a little too Orwellian to me. I like option B: everyone calming down, toughening up and growing up a bit.
As long as she wasn't posting company secrets - somehow, a 16 year old complaining that her job is boring doesn't qualify, in my eyes - then it should be no problem. And if he's going to fire her over that? Then it's a blessing in disguise anyway; who would want to work for a person like that?
Creepy is a good word for it...
Your statement is only partially true.
You need to qualify that with "as long is it's the truth." Because if she says anything untrue, and it gets back to the other party or parties, she could find herself being sued for slander, libel, defamation of character, you name it.
HUH?
Now for the other point of view...
She is 16 years old.
Reading someone's public Facebook comments is stalking?
RE: Sacked for mentioning job was boring on Facebook...
?gana b on bbc look east 2nyt at 6.30?
I'd fire her because of the atrocious spelling, if anything.
Facebook and Twitter suck...
I am thinking of getting one of those cell phone scramblers or an EMP generator to knock out the other major problem.
She used restraint enough, not mentioning the company
Her boss should have made an effort to instruct her in ways to be more involved or whatever... she's only 16. Her boss is the one who has failed and exhibited improper effort to engage his employees. Shame on him.
She didn't mention the company. That is restraint enough. Her boss is just foolishly throwing away, and punishing his own employees. Shredding paper all day long IS boring... and accusing her of not being a team player is just thin-skinned B.S. He should have given her more, varied work to do... or at least taught her the value of her work. Instead, apparently he thinks people come cheap. It simply shows that HE is NOT a team player. He couldn't work with her, she hurt his tiny little feelings and he fired her because he's not very good at managing people.
Sounds unfair, but
If she'd been overheard by her boss in the pub saying her job was boring, he'd have a hard time justifying firing her.
But as the company pointed out, had she posted that on an office board she'd have been fired as well. Much as she would have for having those comments published in a magazine.
I will point out though, that here in the UK its not as easy to fire someone as it is to hire them - you need a very good reason or you wind up justifying yourself in a discrimination tribunal. You cant just get rid of someone just because they're useless, for example...
Assuming the quote taken by Ms. Spelling Bee 2009 is accurate,
Granted, as has been said, she didn't point out the company name - that works to her advantage. But if that's her resume, she's not going to get to any jobs better than that of shredding paper. :(