Want a job? BYOD or Buh-bye.

By | January 5, 2012, 11:15am PST

Summary: Your next job might require you to bring your own smart phone and laptop. Read the ad carefully.

This could be the type of job advertisement you see in the near future where you’re required to have your own advanced phone and computing equipment. I see smart phones, laptops and other such regalia as necessities of the job. They’re tools–tools that you bring to the job so that you can perform your duties as assigned. Your employer doesn’t purchase a car for you but you need one to get to and from work. They don’t supply you a pair of shoes, yet you’re required to wear them to the office. I think we’ve evolved into a workforce of spoiled brats but that’s about to change.

Yes, spoiled brats.

Years ago, employers paid for all or part of your broadband Internet connection so that you could work from home during emergencies or on a regular basis. Almost none do it now. Why? Because you already have it. The technology is inexpensive and ubiquitous. They no longer have to pay for something that you have anyway.

Why should your employer provide basic tools to you? They don’t owe you a smart phone or a laptop. You already have a smart phone, so why not use it at work? You’ll have it with you anyway, won’t you? You have to keep up with your Facebook, Gmail and Twitter feeds because you might miss something awesome, if you don’t.

A smart phone is just another tool that you bring to the table.

Too far-fetched you say? Look at the other requirements: Certifications. Unless the ad states that the hiring company will pay for certifications, you’ll have to bring them to your job when you accept it. And, if you paid for your own certifications, they’re more expensive than the gadgets that you fidget with. Don’t forget to explain how you’d really like to have a degree but you’re expecting them to supply that for you as well. Now, we’re talking far-fetched.

There are those of you, however, who see the advantages of BYOD and are part of an intelligent and growing trend not only in the IT world but in every business niche. IT workers, traditionally, are more spoiled than most, falsely believe that they can’t be replaced and that they require certain “privileges” to employer-supplied technology. And, despite the trend, a lot of IT people will fight BYOD to the bitter end. For all of their wailing and gnashing of teeth, they’ll be assimilated or booted to the curb by this new wave of sensibility. You’d think that a group of people who love technological change (or purport to love change) would be all over BYOD. But, alas, they’re not.

To them, I say, “BYOD or Buh-bye.”

So, the question to you is, “If your employer or prospective employer requires you to BYOD, would you keep or take the job?”.

My answer is, “Yes, yes, I will.”

I have a car. I have shoes. I have a smart phone. I have a laptop. And, if I want a job, I’ll bring them all to work with me everyday.

What do you think? Would you take a job with the requirement to supply your own smart phone and laptop? Talk back and let me know.

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Kenneth 'Ken' Hess is a full-time Windows and Linux system administrator with over 15 years of experience with Mac, Linux, UNIX, and Windows systems in large multi-data center environments.

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Kenneth 'Ken' Hess is a full-time Windows and Linux system administrator with over 15 years of experience with Mac, Linux, UNIX, and Windows systems in large multi-data center environments.

Ken writes on a variety of topics including interoperability, virtualization, data center operations, databases, and open source software. He has written and co-written books on Linux, databases, and virtualization. He currently writes a System Administration column for Linux Magazine and is a regular contributor to Linux User & Developer magazine, ServerWatch.com's Trends and InfoStor. He often contributes to other online and print publications as well.

His first computer was a Commodore VIC-20, which he purchased because William Shatner was in the commercials.

In his limited spare time, Ken enjoys painting, drawing, and flinging angry birds at fortified pigs.

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LibreOffice can easily take the place of MS Office.
Joe.Smetona 7th Mar
It's not rocket science t create a spreadsheet or a word document. The cost savings would be monumental.
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As long as they are willing to accept the risk of allowing my possibly malware infected equipment on their network, then sure.
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kingcobra23 5th Jan
@marbo100 Exactly, or maybe they would prefer their data sitting next to GTA 3 & Angry Birds on whatever device I already have on my custom ROM.

The reason a company buys your laptop compared to other things is for control. They don't want me bringing in and playing on my Hackintosh at work or wasting time getting my WebOS Touchpad working with IT.
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@kingcobra23 Well, of course. But that's only if it is a reputable company that has plans for being around for awhile. If it's a fly by night startup, with next to no capital, that wants to leverage their employees assets in an attempt to succeed, then they should be willing to pay a premium for the privilege of using my hardware, right?
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@marbo100. Indeed.
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@marbo100

Don't use Windows and your exposure surface reduces dramatically.
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RE: Want a job? BYOD or Buh-bye.
BRedmond@... 5th Jan
@itguy10 - What, you want to use Linux? Well we require you to have a (Mac)(Windows machine).
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Actually, today is DON'T use Android
wackoae Updated - 5th Jan
@itguy10 Today, Android is the top platform for malware .... and it is mostly distributed by the Google Marketplace.
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@itguy10

Why flag my post? Does the truth hurt? And the statement stands - Windows is the desktop OS with the latest exposure surface to malware, viruses, and other data stealing apps.
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@itguy10

"The statement stands - Windows is the desktop OS with the latest exposure surface to malware, viruses, and other data stealing apps. "

That's very true. Windows is also the desktop OS with the largest "exposure surface" to software used in the enterprise. Malware risk is usually very easily mitigated; availablility of software - not so much so.
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@daftkey "Windows is also the desktop OS with the largest "exposure surface" to software used in the enterprise. Malware risk is usually very easily mitigated; availablility of software - not so much so."

Actually, most enterprise software is available for Mac (and much of it for Linux). And if malware were so easily mitigated, it wouldn't be a problem. Any employer concerned about these issues needs to pony up and pay for the equipment to run his own business. Otherwise, he gets what he paid for.
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RE: Want a job? BYOD or Buh-bye.
bmonsterman 6th Jan
@itguy10,
Really? Why is every blog post an opportunity for you to bash MS? Give it rest. (and please, get some therapy).
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@itguy10 Nah, if they're requiring me to bring my own machine, I'm purposefully infecting my laptop with all ten Linux rootkits.
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@itguy10

Don't use Windows and your usefulness in 99% of IT departments out there rapidly approaches zero.
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BYOD?!?! Absolutely!
PrimeRisk Updated - 6th Jan
Heck yeah I want to bring my own equipment! Love to and will do it every day. Oh, you want me to have my own software too? Ok, you got it. Oh, you also don't get to set policy on my device or the standards on the software. Hope you like Google Docs for my office suite contributions.

I would love to NOT be limited by the small minds of the corporate bean counters that believe a one size fits all approach to end-user software and hardware brings efficiency and cost savings through some misguided thought that the IT development staff have no different system requirements than staff accountants.

Anyway, it's all a pipe dream. The risk of users bringing their own uncontrolled and unmonitored machines inside the corporate network is very high. Corporations also have to control their data. My machine = my data (or at least it is now).
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Not going to happen.....
linux for me 9th Jan
@marbo100

Most, if not all states, have laws on the books that employers must supply the tools necessary to do the job that you were hired for. That includes a place to work, desk and chair, and a computer if the job requires one.

Exception may be made for some consultants, most businesses disallow the use of personal electronics in the workplace. So I don't see this happening anytime soon.
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RE: Want a job? BYOD or Buh-bye.
Random_Walk 11th Jan
@marbo100 : Certainly - Just don't come around demanding to wipe my phone and/or laptop when I leave the company, because the devices are mine. I also get to choose the model, OS, and applications to get the job done. As long as the job gets done, no one can say crap about it.

But then, companies who demand users bring their own stuff don't think that far ahead. Personally, I'd rather the company issue a phone and laptop that they can in turn control and wipe when the employee leaves.
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A job offer is a negotiation. If it makes sense financially, sure, why not?
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@bstringy
Cisco did a lot of research about the younger generations of IT workers and found out that they were willing to give up pay and other perks if they were allowed to bring their own smart device.

http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/zdnet-cisco-connected-study-2-infographic.jpg?tag=content;siu-container
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smashandgrab 5th Jan
Not here. Companies already steal a lot of our lives - give horrible benefits and very little vacation (family time). Now on top of that THEY expect ME to give THEM computer equipment and a smart phone so I can make THEM money? Not on your life Riley. Are they willing to pay my 4g bandwidth, and my minute usage? If yes, then they are already gonna do that so why not get me a laptop and phone and pay the entire bill?
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@smashandgrab Indeed.

I own my own smartphone, but my company pays for my access plan. Because, quite frankly, I don't need a bloody cell phone in my not-work life. And no, I'm not some luddite shunning technology...but I already have a phone and an internet connection at home. I don't NEED to saddle myself with an extra $50-100 bill every month.

Don't get me wrong, if they want to pay for my plan, I don't give a crap if it is my cell plan or their cell plan, I'll have the bloody device for them. But honestly, if they don't want to pay, I'd be more than happy to go back to a time where I worked my 8 hours, took home work if I needed to, but otherwise actually got to spend some of my life with my family.
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@samalie Here here!

I don't have a smartphone and would seriously reconsider the opportunity if I was required to provide my own. If the company pays for the device and plan, then I could wear it and use it. It's easy enough to turn off at home after putting in my 8 hours.
like it, make yourself more valuable. Whining about how unfair life is does nothing but guarantee you'll be a miserable failure your entire life.
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ExEC135CrewDog 5th Jan
@baggins_z
Wow, Baggy, who peed in your ricebowl?
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@baggins_z

That sentiment completely depends on the honesty and altruism of the employers. And employers are like everyone else: some are fair, and others are not.
Statistically, since the recession when so many were laid off, the remaining workers have gotten much more productive as a natural result working more hours while their salaries have not gone up at all Many companies have seen record revenue and profits during this period because of this but are still riding their employees for 12-16 hour work days with no extra compensation to show for it. They do this because they can get away with it in a bad economy. Period.

Not everywhere is like this of course but blanket statements like "if your not being compensated well, then it's your fault." is a very often false.
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happyharry_z 5th Jan
@baggins_z Your comment has nothing to do with the topic. Nothing but a rant from a pissy self righteous ass stating the obvious like he invented it.
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@baggins_z: Yes, and in paying for your own equipment and giving up all your personal time, you wake up years later suffering from the Boiling Frog Syndrome. Each little "takeaway" didn't matter until you realized you were living to work, not working to live. Nobody ever died saying "I wish I'd spent more time at work". This race to the bottom commoditizing human capital has terrible consequences. I remember the days when my career started and companies used to say that their employees were their most important asset. Nowadays it's all about shareholder return.
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@baggins_z "You get exactly what you are worth." Not true. You get exactly what the company can afford or you will settle for, whichever is lower. I've seen even billion-dollar companies run ads and troll the waters looking for people who were in financial trouble or more often young or naive (say, working at a start-up and not aware of the current market rate for their services) that they could low-ball, otherwise they wouldn't create/fill the position.
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mKind Updated - 5th Jan
I think the employers (especially big ones) are the one who don't want to give up control of how you use the equipment. My company supplied laptop runs various anti-virus, monitoring, auto-update software on it. Also, while I am connected to the company's network, all direct access to external websites are disabled. Everything will have to go through their proxy/filtering servers. For example when I am connected to the company's network, there is no way I can access google docs, facebook etc. Big companies won't be willing to give up that control, and individuals won't be willing to hand over their the control of their laptop to their company.
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weird ad, seems odd that a company large enough to have a hosted server environment would want you to supply your own laptop. Part of providing workstations/laptops is that its a typically stable working configuration, therefore excessive productivity and resource time isnt lost making something work over and over, I know there are browser based apps, citrix, application virtualization but still... Also if I'm terminated or quit is the company going to wipe my laptop? I know every system that is surplused here the hard drive is either wiped or destroyed.
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Lot of issues
MobileAdmin 5th Jan
How is the company going to feel about questionable content on MY laptop? Pirated software, media, adult content etc. Am I subject to random searches of MY devices?

How do you handle liceseded software? Say I'm in marketing and need to use Quark, Photoshop etc, who pays and maintains that software? It sometimes doesn't work great in a virtual environment nor can things like a graphic tablet be used.

How do you handle if your core device fails? Are you not going to work until it's repaired / replaced? If the company has a "loaner" pool of devices who manages that? Pays for that?

There will always be a managed asset aspect to IT and corporate. This could change as these type of issues are resolved but right now you have some serious HR and privacy issues that need to be resolved, likely at the federal level.
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@MobileAdmin I think the biggest concern is licensing. WHo pays for the licensing on the device and if I leave the company, how do they ensure I remove the device? This would be a grey area from a legal standpoint. They have the ownership of the licensed software but not the right to inspect my personal property if I am no longer employed.

Add to the issue, how would I ensure they are not installing key stroke or other monitoring software on my device? I may sharte my device with my family when I am home or I may be surfing the web on my own time. I don't think I would want my employer to be aware of what sites I may visit or how I use my free time. What if I am looking for a new job? THink HR would not get notified if the monitoring discovered I was sending resumes to Monster, Dice, etc?
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@MobileAdmin

Licensing is simple: You need Photoshop, you expense it. It becomes yours.

For the company it's a win-win. No complicated enterprise agreements that take a team to manage, can subject you to audits, etc. Since it's an expense for them it becomes an expense on the balance sheet like rent, electricity, etc.

It really makes sense. I know where I am we spend probably a week each year with a couple people from different departments figuring out our Microsoft, Adobe, etc. licenses. And we always pay more than we should. Imagine if we could reclaim that productivity? It would be a good chunk of change we don't have to spend on licensing.

It also curbs costs. Where I'm at I'm licensed for the full Office suite (Word, Excel, Access, Powerpoint, Sharepoint, Exchange). Yet I can't tell you the last time I used Access, or that POS known as Sharepoint. We're a Notes shop so Exchange is wasted. Yet that's the way MS does corporate licensing. So I could get Office standard, pay only for what I use and the company would be out ahead. And instead if yearly costs for "maintenance" there would be a one time payment every 3 years or so.

Makes perfect sense to everyone but the software industry. To that I raise one finger - the middle one.
@itguy10

I think a lot of people here are talking about more than the 10 or 20 person mom-and-pop-shop that can get by on an office suite, a couple of email servers and a Facebook page.

How would you deal with licensing, say, a CRM system (many often licensed by named user)? Or how would you deal with other systems that actually touches multiple parts of the business?

Hell, even thinking about your bread-and-butter where you eat and drink Photoshop, how about dealing with stock photography licensing, when you now have an employee who owns the licesnse to the photos used on your website, your advertising, etc?

Kindof near-sighted there, huh, "itguy"?
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@daftkey

CRM = Simple - when you leave your account (and therefore access) is locked out or removed. So you're gone, have no access to said CRM system, and will not have a license as it will be cancelled. Your CRM system should be tied into a central authentication source (LDAP, AD, whatever) so that should not be a major issue. Same with other apps that touch the business. Since data is stored on servers, once your access is removed the software installed on your computer is effectively useless.

And other licenses could be solved simply by a Purchasing Card. Things I buy on my P-card are the company's property. So make them buy the licenses on their P-card and require that they surrender the licenses on their departure. If not, they get the costs of replacements deducted from their pay. Or sued for theft.

It's really not that hard; you just have to think "outside the box".
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Thinking outside the box..
daftkey 6th Jan
@itguy10

..doesn't mean forgetting the business use-case of the software to begin with.

Have you ever used a CRM system? Yes, many are web-based, but the largest are not. Many also have local synchronization (kindof like Exchange/Outlook, or in your case, Lotus Notes) because, as you may have heard, a lot of employees work outside the office and may even reside in some other city than their office.

So yea - I guess that licensing can happen centrally (like, um, it does now), but how exactly does this simplify anything?
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lollylollylollylolly 6th Jan
@itguy10 Seriously? It must be nice to have the money lying around to drop thousands of dollars on a laptop and all the licences required to do the work.
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NOOOO
Yensi717 5th Jan
After having worked in the electronic discovery / legal industry for several years, I can easily say, "Don't EVER use your own laptop, personal computer, smartphone, etc. for work." If the job requires you to supply your own laptop, find a different job. If your company needs you to have one, they need to pay for it just as they pay for your pencils, pens, or desk.

If you use your own laptop and your company is sued, guess what? Your personal laptop is now evidence. That means a judge and quickly sign a paper saying you have to hand over your laptop, and lawyers will go through every single email, document, spreadsheet, you name it. Same goes if you are terminated or suspect you of wrong-doing. Your company may request that they inspect your laptop to make sure you don't have anything work related on it.

This isn't a rare occurrence or one-time thing. There's a multi-billion dollar industry built around this.
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smashandgrab 5th Jan
@Yensi717 - Good points. I never thought of it that way.
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@Yensi717 That's what TrueCrypt was written for.

And there's nothing on someone's laptop that can't be pulled off the corporate email backups, out of source control, or off network traffic logs. So the lawyers will have to come up with some actual evidence that they could find something on a person's laptop, because there's a coutersuit waiting when they ask for MY hardware. The actual measurable hardship to a person due to a confiscated laptop FAR outweighs the amount of effort it would take for IT Operations to pull that data.

Try again.
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@SeanBlader

..just to name two things that might be on a personal work-related laptop that would be legitimately requested for evidence, even if you can prove that they should all be on a server somewhere.

It may be surprising to you, but one of the biggest problems that has always haunted even the largest corporate IT department IS information that isn't easily stored on network servers.

Many people have their own spreadsheets, documents, etc, that they keep on their own machines and never share with their peers. This is something that's next to impossible to prevent. Result - no judge in the world would buy the "it should be on the server and easily accessible" argument - ESPECIALLY when you have the ability to encrypt information on your local machine.
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mtdoonmeister 6th Jan
@SeanBlader -

Good luck on getting the countersuit going. The material on your laptop will be subpoenaed. You don't have standing for a countersuit, because the subpoena is part of ongoing litigation that you are not party to. You can move to quash the subpoena on the basis of relevance, etc. And, if you prevail, you can get sanctions.

One of the codicils to all consulting contracts I made was that the firm I was working for replace my hardware, EXACTLY; if it was removed from my control for more than 7 days.

The Word/Excel docs would have been prepared as part of, or in anticipation of, litigation. They would protected as attorney work product.
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@daftkey You're 1000% correct. At a certain major retailer I worked at, we were having issues regarding knowing what freight classifications our merchandise shipped under. During discussions about this and brainstorming solutions, an employee in charge of our department's data/data quality who worked from home 4 days a week happened to hear this and mentioned that he had worked on the problem once and had some data he'd deduced in a spreadsheet. Great! Was this spreadsheet in our department's shared network drive? No, it was on his laptop at home. happy It apparently had never rested on our servers, either, and had he not stumbled on our conversation, we'd never had known someone had (partially) done this work and had done it all over again.

At the same company I saw someone working on an Access project. Someone told him that another employee had developed a menu system that interfaced with some of our existing tools or somesuch. Where was it? She was out for two weeks and no one else knew, so it was reimplemented from scratch in the meantime.
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@SeanBlader Good luck suing the court. The court order will confiscate your laptop for discovery if you refuse to give it over counsel willingly. Then it is unlikely you will ever see it again. Still want to refuse the court, well the Judge may just find you a new roommate named Bubba to keep you occupied until the Judge feels like letting you out.
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mtdoonmeister 6th Jan
@Yensi717 -

As someone who has worked in the legal field, what an employee of a law firm or a lawyer, has on any computer system can be considered attorney work product. Not subject to subpoena or anything else. You can't go on a fishing expedition through someone's private data, looking for something that might be there.

The FIRST RULE of being an expert witness is NEVER WRITE ANYTHING DOWN. Don't make notes. Don't doodle in the margins of the deposition you are reading. Sit on your pencils. Anything you write as an expert is discoverable. So, never write anything down.

That said, I had a computer/hard drive subpoena'd in a particularly contentious PI case I was working on as a consultant in the mid-nineties, (250MB HD, how quaint). The judge didn't understand what was what with computers, so he held mine in 'escrow' until the matter was resolved. It was, initially, 'resolved' in the favor of the defendant and against me. After turning the 16 year old high school student of one of the partners loose trying to break my encryption, they sued me, personally, for the passwords. Before the judge decided my hard drive was personal and/or attorney work product, it was gone for 6 months.

My client bought me a new computer. My old one came back with the logic board destroyed and the hard drive case opened.

Copious sanctions were handed out to the defendants. Big whoop. It could have cost me my business. I think that now, the court would be smart enough to allow a disk image to be made, (I offered this, the defense wanted the 'real thing'), your computer returned to you and the contents of the disk image viewed by the judge en camera to determine if the information on the drive is relevant and discoverable.

Or, at least, I hope so.
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@Yensi717 I hate to say this, but the negative comments here seem to have had a lot more thought put into them than the bombastic argument put forth from Mr. Hess. sad And I'm not one to praise the peanut gallery here too often. wink
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Big companies won't do that. They want to fully control what's on your work computer. Typically you have to use a particular laptop model with only software from an "approved list" installed. "Personal" computers are not allowed on the company network.
Of course, small companies are cutting all sorts of corners...
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Cheapskates vs. Control freaks
bblackmoor@... 5th Jan
I have been saying for years that employers need to stop being control freaks -- controlling not only the hardware, but the software and even the web sites that employees have access to -- and instead treat employees like the skilled professionals they are. An electrician or an automobile mechanic owns their own tools, and the employer's only valid interest is in making sure that the employee can do the task they are hired to do.

Unfortunately, corporate IT has become a nest of control freaks who want to control every twitch of every employee.

I am hesitant to hope that ads like this one indicate a sea change in that mindset. More likely, the control freaks will still demand to ridiculously micromanage the employees' tools, but will demand that employees pay for the indignity.

It's enough to make one want to dig ditches for a living.
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@bblackmoor@...
Who pays for the shovel?
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photokid1970 5th Jan
@bblackmoor@... I'll bet you will have to bring your own shovel to work... happy
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mtdoonmeister 6th Jan
@bblackmoor@...

You can't copy GMs intellectual property with a spanner...
It's not rocket science t create a spreadsheet or a word document. The cost savings would be monumental.

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