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SGI introduces monster Windows Server for datacenters

By | March 17, 2011, 10:13am PDT

Summary: With the potential to be an entire HPC cloud in a single box, SGI gives Windows Server a power up.

“It slices, dices, chops, and peels!”

Well not really, but the SGI Altix UV 1000, fully configured and freshly certified by Microsoft, can be partitioned to hold multiple physical instances of Windows Server 2008 R2 Datacenter Edition, each instance of which can run multiple VMs on Microsoft Hypervisor, making the Altix UV 1000 a potential Windows Azure Cloud in a box solution.

The box itself is capable of supporting up to a maximum of 2048 cores and 16 TB of main memory; Windows Server Datacenter Edition is only capable of supporting up to 1 TB of memory and 128 cores, hence the need to use hardware partitioning to get the most out of the box. A report in The Register quoted Sunny Sundstrom, director of product marketing at SGI, as saying that SGI and Microsoft are working on a certification of the Microsoft OS that will be able to span 256 cores and 2TB of memory.

Given the trend with in-memory database servers, that could be a significant hardware advantage for SGI, when compared with other Windows Server implementations. It should be noted that this certification from Microsoft means it’s a standard version of Windows Server 2008 TR2; there are no special changes or tweaks for Windows Server applications to run in this configuration. So customers who find that they are hardware bound in their current server implementations will have the opportunity to move to a much more capable platform, without the need to touch any custom .NET coding or any of their existing applications already running on Windows Server 2008 R2.

It’s interesting to see the impact of the cloud on this type of technology.  There was a time when an announcement for a “supercomputer” class system would have been accompanied by a host of benchmark results with the crowning glory being something certified by the Transaction Processing Performance Council benchmark.  SGI states that benchmark data with Windows Server and SQL Server will be forthcoming, but the mindset for this type of hardware is now much more forward focused, with the cachet of cloud computing being more of a hook for the attention of potential purchases.

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With more than 20 years of published writings about technology, as well as industry stints as everything from a database developer to CTO, David Chernicoff has earned the term "veteran" in the technology world. Currently the principal of an independent consulting business and an active freelance writer, David has most recently been a Senior Contributing Editor for Windows IT Pro magazine, having also been the Lab Director for Windows NT Magazine, Technical Director of PC Week Labs, the author or co-author of a number of books on different versions of Windows, a plethora of eBooks on various technology topics, and of approximately 3000 magazine articles in print and on the web.
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RE: SGI introduces monster Windows Server for datacenters
FAULKNE 13th Oct
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instead of a super fast car that can carry ONE passenger at 256 mph.
Step in the right direction.
@kd5auq : you mean Windows is akin to a luxury bus equipped with a Corvette engine with leather seats.

The problem's must companies realize they don't need that kinda stuff.

They need a TGV train (aka Linux) with dedicated infrastructure, no tail pipe and a 250 mph speed limit.

Although, after much thought, I think my DBA (SQL Server 2005) would be trilled to have 1TB of memory just to host our Managed code stored procedure.
@cosuna on Super Computers setup to dual boot either Linux or Windows the latter shows a slightly higher efficiency (Peak vs Real Flops). Of course, cost is really a bigger factor and Linux would be cheaper. But Windows HPC showed itself to be as fast as as cluster optimized Linux. And actually a leetle bit faster. The extra speed is probably all due to the higher efficiency interconnect protocol.

Me I prefer Windows because I like the developer eco-system better than linux. That said, I think Linux is a fine OS and has its own advantages.
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DonnieBoy Updated - 18th Mar 2011
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@DonnieBoy
yes, exactly the people like you need it.
@DonnieBoy
Funny how many Linux hardware or virtualization firms seem to be having to support Windows. I worked with one firm that thought they would take the fortune 100 by storm, only to be told until you have Windows Server we won't even talk to you by most of those firms.

Somehow your reality of claiming that only idiots use Windows and all the smart folks us Linux does not seem to jibe with successful business practices.
@oldsysprog :

If by "successful business practices" you mean enforcing IE6 web page compatibility and programming in classic ASP, you are surely in the front line of technology, my friend.

Don't confuse Legacy with state of the art. Companies need Windows for legacy sake (most Windows Servers 2008 R2 are indeed running ASP and COM+), but use Linux servers for high end functionality (traffic sniffers, malware detectors, stress tests, etc.)
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RE: SGI introduces monster Windows Server for datacenters
Socratesfoot Updated - 18th Mar 2011
@oldsysprog Microsoft anti-trust practices have had a stranglehold on American technology. Mixed environments are necessary to support Exchange and Microsoft also works to create dependencies that force the use of additional Microsoft products, and this has slowed Linux adoption - that's true. But this should not be something you're happy about. It's criminal and it allows MS to bloat prices ridiculously high. Not only that, you have Windows techs that never learned to use any other OS and therefore propagate the use of Win-ware unnecessarily in companies for their own benefit. This is also something you should not be happy about. It means that incompetence and lack of training are driving corporate policy instead of competition or efficiency.
If you are an IT professional and have not at least considered a mixed platform environment at this time I have no respect for you, you need to quit and get into another line of work.
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@DonnieBoy

So I say that the average IQ or people using Linux is even lower - You're proof of that.

Tell us the truth, your mommy was the one that had to come down to the basement and help you get your Linux network up and running.
do need to eat too.
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You're proof of that Donnieboy
Will Farrell 17th Mar 2011
@DonnieBoy
Remember I caught you eating out of google's trash can? What was your response? Oh yeah, I remember what you said - "hey us idiots have to eat too you know!"
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LOL!
John Zern 17th Mar 2011
@Will Farrell

happy
@Will Farrell
LOL! grin
@DonnieBoy
Point and Click idiots have more brains than you it seems.
@DonnieBoy

The reason is Donnie that the adults are talking and then you pop up. You've demonstrated no knowledge, no development experience and your dialogue is the equivalent of the four year old at the adult party running around swearing incessantly. Now some adults may find this cute, but a surprising number want to grab you, wash your mouth out with soap and lock you in your room.

Children should be seen and not heard, but in your case lets make it not seen as well wink
@ tonymcs@...

Very well put. happy
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They support idiots of every flavor
itpro_z 17th Mar 2011
@DonnieBoy, I checked out their website, and they support multiple OSs, including Novell, Redhat, and, of course, Windows Server 2008, so I guess you could say that they are an equal opportunity idiot supporter.
@itpro_z
LOL. wink
Everyone responding to DonnieBoy. Please do not feed the troll.
Also is it that DC can't utilize more than 2TB of RAM or has Microsoft not certified it on more than 2TB of RAM. It's likely the latter as certification requires an actual system to test it on and systems supporting more than 2TB of RAM (and that can run Windows) haven't existed until recently.
@ye to complete the statement
* Windows supports today 64 Sockets and 256 Logical porcessors
* Windows supports up to 2TB for Server 2008 R2
Please also see http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-specs.aspx

I personally agree with you systems of this size are far and few between (and workloads that leverage this kind of compute power even more). Virtualization is a possible use, however with server hardware virtualization you essentially soft-partition the system and the question quickly becomes how big is suitable and economically useful.
I can see however how this system could solve some multi-tenancy issues that cannot easily be solved in a virtualized environment.
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Still not even close to a
Johnny Vegas Updated - 17th Mar 2011
cloud implies no single point of failure. The fact that all these cores are in a single box in a single location disqualifies it. Other than that it's pretty cool. Windows will scale on it very nicely.
@Johnny Vegas
Your statement is void, you obviously need more than one system, redundant storage if you have a classic virtualization stack like Hyper-V/VMware and Xen. It becomes a different equation if you have systems like Azure where you have taken care of this problem space via software layers in the infrastructure and the typs of applications that run in such a environment.
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trUTH:
nomoreds 17th Mar 2011
My computer's specs already exceed this thing!


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Will Microsoft be promoting it?
WilErz Updated - 18th Mar 2011
What I'd like to know is whether Microsoft and SGI are going to start promoting Windows Server on SGI, including through consultancy partnerships (e.g. with Accenture). The two firms have had a partnership since 2007, but HP have still tended to dominate the upper range of the Windows Server market (Microsoft software demonstrations, consultancy work, etc.). SGI are still a niche player in the server business, with a lot of revenue coming from a few large customers, and if all the Altix PR is coming from them, then it's probably business as usual. However, if Microsoft and their partners start promoting Altix (instead of Superdome) to a broader customer base, that could signal a potentially important shift in the server market.

If I were running Microsoft, I'd certainly be concerned about Apotheker's strategic moves thus far, and be looking to move towards alternative partners with a more obvious interest in promoting the Windows ecosystem. I don't know if SGI qualify in terms of a Windows focus, but they've made a clear bet on continued migration away from legacy Unix/Risc (and Itanium?) systems to x64. Whilst the Linux/x64 business is clearly a good one (it's easier to migrate from Unix to Linux than from Unix to Windows), I can imagine inroads in the larger and increasingly dominant Windows Server market might be attractive too. A close partnership with Microsoft could also give SGI an edge in the Windows Server business that competitors like IBM lack.
fdgrthrt
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Eh.

Windows is favored for it's GUI. It's simple and easy without being Apple, which inevitably doesn't really cater to the enterprises very well yet.

Most people who deal with computers feel like they shouldn't have to have over 80 college hours of education to work with one. I agree with them partially, computers shouldn't need to be a science, but for most folks nowadays they still are.

That being said this is why Windows came into popularity. Microsoft came in, and people continue to buy their products because despite all the ways MS tries to lock you into Windows, they really can't do it. These companies choose it because it obviously just works.

The command line has it's elegance. For basic tasks, it can't really be beat. But the command line is a harsh and unforgiving world. Getting help online can even be difficult.
Wow, you can crash to 2048 separate blue screens at once!

This is a fitting last peep from dead SGI.
Please allow small corrections to the statements in the article:
* Windows Server 2008 DC supports up to 64 sockets and 256 logical processors
* Windows Server 2008 R2 Datacenter supports up to 2 TB of RAM
Please see http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-specs.aspx
SGi just announced they have sold 500 UV's since November 2009 which is about 300 a year. Good turn around by SGi, but their service prices are still high. XSnet.com still maintains the SGi legacy systems, so suggest lowering your support costs on the legacy gear.
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