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Christopher Dawson

Adobe CS5: You can't do that with the GIMP!

By | April 12, 2010, 7:52am PDT

Summary: Adobe’s Creative Suite 5 provides a surprisingly compelling set of reasons to bite the bullet and pay the licensing costs, even in cash-strapped edu settings.

Adobe approached me a few weeks back about the release of their new Creative Suite 5 (CS5) and its use in educational settings. Coming from Land of the Lost Budgets, the idea of devoting thousands of dollars to Creative Suite licensing (even academic licenses run in the hundreds of dollars per seat, depending upon the components you choose) makes me cringe. Just use the GIMP, I say! Use Eclipse for web development! It will put hair on your chest! Need to edit video? Cinelerra is free, as is Windows Movie Maker and iMovie (if you buy a Mac, that is). And then the Adobe folks gave me a preview of CS5, along with an evaluation copy of their so-called “Master Collection.” Crap. There goes the GIMP.

Don’t get me wrong. The GIMP is an outstanding piece of cross-platform software that meets many of the needs of students and teachers. It’s free, mature, and stable and handles photo editing quite well. For simpler needs (touch up and management), Google’s Picasa, Windows Photo Gallery, and iPhoto on the Mac all get the job done. But Photoshop CS5 (both their Standard and Extended Editions) does things with ease (if you have a video card that can handle it) that the GIMP either couldn’t dream of doing or that would take a GIMP power user a month of Sundays to accomplish. OK, maybe not a whole month of Sundays, but it would be a lot harder.

I’m waiting on that infamous “Executive Loaner” MacBook Pro that should be arriving today to give CS5 a more thorough test drive, since it’s just crushing my old MacBook and chuckled at the Windows desktop on which I tried to install it. For starters, though, I rendered a JPEG of my daughter on a 3D wine bottle; it’s just one bit of built-in coolness.

So what does all this have to do with education? Who cares if students can wrap 2D pictures around 3D shapes? Who cares if they can use “puppet mode” and transform any 2D image into a 3D animation? And wait a minute, Dawson, I thought you were all about the cloud?

Here’s my conundrum. Adobe CS5 is so good, it crushes any open source competition as easily as it crushes my video card. Check out this video that summarizes the capabilities of the new Flash Catalyst software and you’ll get a sense of what I mean:

This will be the professional platform of choice for content creation (as was CS4, although this certainly cements its position). My position has always been to teach students skills and concepts rather than teaching them particular software or tools. And yet, the skill of creating really compelling content (for the web and otherwise) just might be better served by tools like those included in CS5. While the licensing costs may be tough to swallow, educators need to ask themselves how students will be using the tools and what we hope for them to learn.

Do we just need simple tools to clean up pictures, share videos on YouTube, or publish a brochure? If that’s the case, then there are plenty of free tools that fill the bill nicely. Similarly, if you are running basic productivity/Internet access labs, then look elsewhere, because CS5 isn’t exactly composed of light and snappy applications. However, I have no doubt that any vocational schools or colleges with programs that even touch upon graphics arts need to make the investment. I’d also argue that comprehensive high schools, while well-served in most situations by the GIMP and similar tools, would benefit from at least one small lab outfitted with CS5 and the hardware required to run it well if they wish to offer more than survey-level courses in web design, graphics, or other content-creation fields. Even the relatively inexpensive standalone Photoshop Extended (instead of the more expensive suites) would be a welcome addition to such courses.

In fact, my MacBook Pro just arrived! More thoughts on CS5 to come!

In the meantime, check out Oliver Marks’ great analysis of CS5 in the context of an increasingly web-centric world.

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Chris Dawson is a freelance writer and consultant with years of experience in educational technology and web-based systems. In 2011, he became the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network SaaS provider.

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Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson is the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., by day and a freelance writer and educational technology consultant by night. Well, most of his colleagues at WizIQ are based in India, so really he's working with them whenever he can stay awake. He has worked for his local school district as a teacher and technology director, for the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, and for Biogen, Inc. (now Biogen-IDEC, Inc.). He has also consulted with STATNet and Cytyc Corporation and retains close ties with X2 Development Corporation (now owned by Follett Software, the supplier of the student information system he administered for several years). Follett is paying him a monthly honorarium to act as a presenter for their "SIS Voices for Student Achievement" community (he produces occasional blog posts and hosts a monthly webinar on the use of student information systems to inform data-driven instruction and school-wide change. He regularly purchases and/or recommends Dell hardware. This is because Dell makes good hardware and has truly committed itself to education in innovative ways, particularly with their "Connected Classroom" initiative. It isn't because he has dealings with the company through his role at WizIQ (which he does) or because they have provided him with long-term loans of a variety of equipment for in-depth testing (which they have). Intel (reference designer for the Classmate PCs he has implemented in his local schools) has provided him with long-term loans of Classmate PCs for testing, as have Dell and Lenovo with their educational offerings. He may report on any of these companies as his experiences with them have direct bearing on educational technology; positive reports are not necessarily an endorsement and he receives no direct financial compensation from these companies or any others. Intel paid all expenses for his attendance at the 2009 Intel Classmate PC Ecosystem Summit which he attended as the sole representative of the technology press. He was invited to attend in 2010 but his wife would have killed him if he spent 3 days in Vegas geeking out and left her home alone with a new baby. Acer provided him with a 50% discount on an Aspire One netbook in early 2009 after he tested it for 30 days through their educational seed program. He liked the netbook at the time but it has since broken and sits unused in his office. Canonical sent him Ubuntu lanyards, t-shirts, and mousepads for his kids. He stole one of the lanyards and proudly hangs his keys from it and occasionally features his 8-year old wearing an oversized Ubuntu t-shirt on his Facebook profile. Gunnar Optiks sent him a pair of computer glasses to evaluate for a holiday gift guide. He is wearing them now as he types this because they never asked for them back and they rock out loud. Seriously - they work brilliantly and make it much easier to spend 20 hours a day staring at an LCD. If they ever asked for them back, he would fork over the $99 and buy a pair. Microsoft gave him 2 free copies of Office 2010 professional, a desktop clock, and a useless book on Office 2010 when he attended the launch of Office/Sharepoint 2010. He occasionally uses the SharePoint lanyard they gave him instead of the Ubuntu lanyard for his keys, but feels dirty afterwards. Adobe provided him with a pre-release version of the CS5 Master Collection for evaluation and ultimately provided a full, licensed copy for ongoing testing of educational applications of this admittedly expensive software. Like the Gunnars, if the license expires or they come out with CS6, he'd actually go out and buy it himself. Which is saying something, because he's actually pretty cheap. Any other companies wishing to send him cool things to evaluate, wear, or otherwise adorn his kids are more than welcome to; he promises to disclose it here if he keeps any of the stuff. Finally, because WizIQ is a virtual classroom and learning network provider, Chris, as VP of Marketing, frequently interacts with, seeks out deals with, and directly or indirectly competes with a whole lot of LMS, SIS, and other Education 2.0 companies. In general, he'll limit his reporting about these companies to news that does not impact his relationship with them or with WizIQ. If he reports on them, it's because what they are doing is newsworthy or worth the attention of his readers and not because he's trying to broker some deal, damage competition, or otherwise advance his position in his day job. LMS and SIS companies, along with other online learning communities, are a pretty important part of Ed Tech. If he stops reporting on them completely, there won't be a whole lot left. He'll be sure to call out any overt conflicts of interest if they are unavoidable. Finally, Follett Software Company pays him a little tiny honorarium every month to present on their SIS Voices webinars and to write the occasional blog or discussion thread for them. Since Follett recently bought X2 (maker of an awesome web-based SIS that Chris just happened to have used, served in advisory groups for, and frequently reported on), this is probably also worth disclosing.

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Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson grew up in Seattle, back in the days of pre-antitrust Microsoft, coffeeshops owned by something other than Starbucks, and really loud, inarticulate music. He escaped to the right coast in the early 90's and received a degree in Information Systems from Johns Hopkins University. While there, he began a career in health and educational information systems, with a focus on clinical trials and related statistical programming and database modeling. This focus led him to several positions at Johns Hopkins, a couple-year stint in private industry, teaching high school math and technology, and 2 years as the technology director for his local school district. Most recently, he started his own consulting business and is now the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network provider. He lives with his wife, five kids (yes, 5), 2 dogs, and a hateful cat in a small town in north-central Massachusetts. Although he is no longer teaching, his roles with WizIQ and ZDNet allow him to continue helping students and teachers add value to education with technology rather than merely adding to the bottom line.
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Can do With GIMP
ranjith.sajeev@... 14th Jun
Two things. The CS is a Large Software compared to GIMP in Prize,File size, Memory, Working Programmers. But Many things in CS can do in GIMP with a little more time. For Professional Production people who charging $/hrs can use CS. But students, common people (the majority ) can use GIMP for their every day needs (Can save money,memory,file size). This don't mean that proprietary software wins over FOSS. IF proprietary software wins then what happen to the avatar movie, 80% apache servers, super computers ???
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Can't do *what* with GIMP?
Dietrich T. Schmitz, Linux Advocate 12th Apr 2010
The title is more than a bit misleading Chris.
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Lots of things
bobiroc 12th Apr 2010
There are lots of things that the Adobe Programs of the Creative Suite can do or do easier than GIMP or some open source product but I am sure you know that and there are too many to list. GIMP is great and I have used it before and know many of the students in my district use it but you cannot argue that the Creative Suite does a whole lot more. Of course it is not free but education gets a pretty decent discount. You can get the Master Collection for as low as $35 a license. Not too bad for a Suite that retails for $2600.
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Too many to list? Name just one.
Dietrich T. Schmitz, Linux Advocate 12th Apr 2010
nt
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Little things like
bobiroc Updated - 12th Apr 2010
the Animation and Video Support that Photoshop offers to name one. I will admit I haven't used GIMP 2.6 but I did use 2.4 here and there it compared more to Corel Paintshop or Photoshop Elements. For many people it is way more than what they need so don't get me wrong as I recommend the tool to people to at least try before investing in photoshop just like I recommend Open Office to at least try before buying Microsoft Office. Many people do not need the extra power of the licensed software but some do or they just want it.
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Nope. GIMP Animation and Video support is just fine.
Dietrich T. Schmitz, Linux Advocate 12th Apr 2010
I haven't gotten you wrong, you said:

"Too many to list".

So, far, you haven't supported your assertion:

Looks like you can't support your assertion to me.
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Then What about the 3D Modeling
bobiroc 12th Apr 2010
I know it is no use arguing with you because you do not even use the pay software so you know nothing about it but I have not used Gimp 2.6 but the achievement of 3D effects in GIMP has been reviewed as mediocre compared to Photoshop CS4 and it requires more steps to achieve pseudo 3D in GIMP as well. I used to use GIMP but then my district bought site licenses for the Adobe Suite and I got a take home license. I still recommend it though as it is very good software and just recommended it to my Aunt-In-Laws Daughter who is in High School and wanted Photoshop. So I will not argue with you anymore because you will use what you want and I will use what I want. It is just the fact that you cannot see beyond your limited knowledge of anything technical that is disappointing.
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Still can't come up with one example. You are right. No use arguing then.
Dietrich T. Schmitz, Linux Advocate Updated - 12th Apr 2010
[You] should have kept quiet.
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You should try GIMP-GAP for Animation.
ssj6akshat Updated - 17th Apr 2010
It works nice
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You should try GIMP-GAP for Animation.
ssj6akshat 17th Apr 2010
It works nice.
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Integration
rock06r 12th Apr 2010
I think that would be the most important one for professional users of Adobe Products. Ever since Macromedia and Adobe combined forces their products seamlessly swap data back-and-forth, preserving layers, color data, etc. Heck, even UNDO levels are preserved in some steps. Imagine doing that with hobby-ware like GIMP. Stop-what-you're-doing in Flash, save file(s), load files(s) in GIMP, do-whatever-in-GIMP, Stop-what-you're-doing in GIMP, save files(s), load file(s) in FLASH, transfer files to DREAMWEAVER. O snap, forgot an element - start at step 1 again. Lotsa fun when time=money, especially for your clients who get charged by the hour. Try explaining to a client how you're saving a thousand bucks a year so he can spend an extra $80/hour.
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Nope. GIMP has undo levels. No cigar.
Dietrich T. Schmitz, Linux Advocate 12th Apr 2010
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Gimp's undo is close to perfect
Great Kahuna 12th Apr 2010
it has been like that for almost a decade now.
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Its not worth it
bobiroc 12th Apr 2010
I should have never responded to him. He doesn't use the software he criticizes anyway so how he can respond is beyond me. No matter how good a software or operating system is he will not use it if it costs money. So you are best to not respond to him and I am going to do my best to ignore him and his many usernames or people that are just like them. It all comes down to selecting the best tool for the job and that is what I do. If the "free" or open source software does the trick then I have no problem using it.

Did you notice he did not make a comment about the seamless integration piece? That is a huge plus for many organizations and users and a big reason they choose the software. He makes the same outrageous claims that Open Office is just as or more powerful than Microsoft office but cannot show that it does even a fraction of the integration with other software made by the parent company or 3rd party software out there.
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What the video.
Cylon Centurion 13th Apr 2010
There are plenty more on Youtube as well. This is one (among many) reason why proprietary software wins over FOSS.
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Everyone here at Adobe is humbled and honored. Thanks, Chris!
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Adobe Creative Suite Site Licenses.
bobiroc Updated - 12th Apr 2010
My School District purchased site licenses for CS3 for each of its 3 high schools and they have been awesome. Initially they sound expensive but when you look at what you get the value is tremendous. We are a relatively large high school district with about 2500 Workstations and over 9,000 students and before CS3 we only got the Suite for the Mac Labs and Graphic Labs that requested them. We started to find that more requests to have the suite or parts of the suite were being asked to be installed in other places. Many of our secretarial and administration staff wanted to use Acrobat Pro to make and edit PDF docs and when we calculated the cost of those individual licenses we were almost the cost of a site license. We just got the Design Premium Suite last time but with CS5 we are looking to get the master collection. The estimated price for a site is $17,000 (For the Master Collection) according to adobe which can be found here http://www.adobe.com/education/products/k12_sitelicense/ if you browse through the pages but you get 500 licenses per site which breaks down to about $35 a license. All in all it is worth it even if we have to burn a whole license just to install Acrobat, Photoshop, or one or two components of the suite here and there. It also makes managing the licenses much easier and includes some take home licenses for teachers and staff that need the suite for the school related work.

Just a thought because if you plan on to outfit one lab with lets say Design Premium I think the discounted price may come to about $250 a license if I remember correctly the price we used to pay for individual licenses. That comes to about $7500 for a lab of 30 and for a couple thousand more you can have 250 - 500 licenses.
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Would love to know more...
adobeedu Updated - 12th Apr 2010
about your implementation! Thanks for your support!
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Here are the basics
bobiroc Updated - 12th Apr 2010
Our Current Setup:
3 High Schools each currently with a Adobe Design Premium CS3 site license. Purchased initially to fulfill the needs of our Mac Lab and Graphics lab in each school which came to about 60 - 90 computers per school. It has then expanded and we now have most of the suite installed on all our labs and use parts of the suite (mainly acrobat and photoshop) for some staff individual computers. We are not using all 500 licenses but using simple system managment tools like Altiris we can tell which systems have the suite (parts or all) installed so we can make sure we do not go over. We no longer have to worry about what license goes where and so on and overall I think it actually is costing less to do this.

It is in our budget (pending approval) to get site licenses for CS5 Master Collection as we have had many requests for the video softwares such as Premiere and After Effects and even though we will have to limit those installations (at least initially) due to the higher comptuer requirements and 64bit hardware OS requirements I can see that expanding much in the way we did with Design Premium.

The only complaint I really have about Adobe is that Acrobat 8 came out in the Vista era and was not very 64bit OS friendly. I feel Adobe dropped the ball on this and while it works OK it has it's qwerks. I hope Acrobat 9 is not that way as our 64bit machines and many of our others will probably be running Windows 7 64bit.
Have you seen how the Gimp performs on TV, the CSI-style stuff cops do with The Gimp is simply amazing, looks like magic.

Three cops were looking at a crime scene photo and it went like this:

"Wait - there's a reflection in the teakettle! Magnify! Enhance! Now pull a DNA sample
from the image! I don't care, just do it - boost the power if you have to! Crossmatch it with
every person named Brent in the continental United States! Damn, this new version of GIMP rocks!"

Annnnd... DING! Three seconds later, up pops the photo of the perpetrator, out go the cops to haul
him in and America sleeps a little more soundly tonight.
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Awesome!
Bill4 12th Apr 2010
I'm going to replace my paint.NET with the GIMP right now!!!!
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Re: beating the pants
wizard57m@... 12th Apr 2010
Aw, shucks! I thought CSI used IrfanView!
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Is that a promise, D.T.S.?
wizard57m@... 12th Apr 2010
Should have kept quiet.
Posted by: Dietrich T. Schmitz, Linux Advocate

Would you? It would be appreciated!
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What about you, Would you promise that too?
Great Kahuna 12th Apr 2010
Not that it would be appreciated, not at all. I prefer to see you posting here, it keeps me amused!
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Still not sure what you mean?
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 14th Apr 2010
I have created 3D posters using Gimp before. There is a plugin for everything. You know, the cross eyed come to life type of pcitures. I install Picassa for simple editing, Gimp for the PhotoShop crowd and GimpShop for the other types.

I haven't tried this, I may if I get time today and do what you say will take a month of Sundays, probably in 30 minutes, lol.
http://registry.gimp.org/node/13469
The G'MIC plug-in for GIMP defines a set of various filters, including artistic filters, image denoising and enhancement, 3D renderers,

A side note, it really could be all that and a bag of chips, it is really a don't care for all my users, they don't use Windows. At these kinds of prices, it becomes a laughable don't care for the home user.
* Adobe Design Premium CS5 ? Upgrade from $599 Full From $1,899
* Adobe Web Premium CS5 ? Upgrade from $599 Full From $1,799
* Adobe Production Premium CS5 ? Upgrade from $599 Full From $1,699
* Adobe Master Collection CS5 ? Upgrade from $899 Full From $2,599
* Adobe Creative Suite 5 Student and Teacher Editions ? up to 80% off


TripleII
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Support
piperdown 15th Apr 2010
Anyone called adobe for support lately?

What a nightmare. Tried building an administrwtive install point? Patching existing installs? Nightmare, poorly documented.

While I'll grant that the software is generally pretty good, it's HUGE. Bloated. Almost 2GB for Acrobat ALONE.

Cross-platform? Fail.

And Waaaaaaaaaay too expensive even with K12 discounts.
You can't do that with the GIMP!

The question is: What?

The blog doesn't really answer the question. So, it would be nice to have the list of tools that have no equivalence in gimp. Then you know what you are paying for...
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Lots of BS here ...
George Mitchell 16th Apr 2010
Chris is right on the mark. While its a waste of money to provide cutting edge proprietary software for every student seat, EVERY STUDENT should have be trained to work with that cutting edge software. There is NO WAY that free software is EVER going to be able to compete toe to toe with proprietary software. Its just NOT going to happen and some people here need to get over that. ON THE OTHER HAND, free software IS GOOD ENOUGH for 99% of tasks and should be utilized to its fullest potential. And its limitations can actually force students to be more creative. There are people here who need to get over that as well. Both types of software have their place in the school AND in the office AND EVEN in the home. Most homes have more than one computer. Why pay money to have cutting edge on more than one computer? If the license allows it to be done without additional charge, great, but if not, whats the point? Both free AND proprietary software have their place in the world and always will. The purists on both sides are cheating themselves and trying to cheat the rest of us. As a Linux user, I use lots of proprietary software and would buy more if it was available. The proprietary vendors are cheating themselves by not making more proprietary options open to Linux users.
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Agree.
root12 23rd Apr 2010
Linux user here myself, Ubuntu user, and would like commercial
software available for Linux. Open source software would also
improve as a result. It's the chicken and the egg thing. The more
people who use open source software the better it would become,
but more people need to use it too.
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Not sure how that math works out
gigabot71 29th Apr 2010
"The more people who use open source software the better it would
become"

How do you figure? Free is free and most open source projects either
progress on corporate largesse (large companies that let their paid
developers work on open source projects during some of their work
day) or part-time work from generous devs who devote time they
probably should be spending with friends and family to work on a
project they receive nary a dime from. This charity model doesn't lend
itself very well to creating large, complex, polished Adobe CS5 style
applications, which generally have dozens of full-time developers
working on them.

Sure, there are examples of open source projects that make money and
can pay for developers and as a result are able to churn out complex,
commercial quality apps, but those are exceptions, not the rule, and
they are usually doing it by charging for something (generally support).
That model doesn't work for most types of apps. The open source
projects that run on donations, ads, and good will typically take in
barely enough to cover direct costs like hosting and bandwidth. There's
not some magic formula here where these open source projects
miraculously make money from non-paying users. Writing great
software and giving it away can be gratifying and makes for great
karma, but karma is a little light on the calories if you know what I'm
saying and there's only so much good karma one can take when it
comes at the cost of family-time and sleep. (full disclosure: I worked
on a lesser known FOSS project for a while - my wife still gets a facial
tick any time the name of said project is mentioned)
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Can do With GIMP
ranjith.sajeev@... 14th Jun
Two things. The CS is a Large Software compared to GIMP in Prize,File size, Memory, Working Programmers. But Many things in CS can do in GIMP with a little more time. For Professional Production people who charging $/hrs can use CS. But students, common people (the majority ) can use GIMP for their every day needs (Can save money,memory,file size). This don't mean that proprietary software wins over FOSS. IF proprietary software wins then what happen to the avatar movie, 80% apache servers, super computers ???

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