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Christopher Dawson

Brown University goes Google

By | June 30, 2010, 11:06pm PDT

Summary: Brown may have gone Google, but it was not an easy choice over Live@Edu.

John Hay went to Brown University 155 years ago. He went on to do all sorts of important things, but today, he is best known on campus as the statue whose nose students rub for good luck before exams.  Maybe Microsoft should have rubbed his nose before pitching Live@Edu to Brown, since they just announced that they “went Google” this week.

Joining the ranks of schools who have had to choose between Microsoft’s Live@Edu and Google Apps for Education as they deploy a hosted email solution, Brown University announced Monday that it had “Gone Google.” I had a chance to talk with their CIO today and he revealed that the choice was not an easy one.  Both companies, it seems, have really compelling products, but in the end, project timelines, rather than John Hay’s shiny nose, gave Google the upper hand.

Brown had already deployed Google Apps for its students about a year ago and the product has been very well-received by students. Brown’s CIO, Michael Pickett, told me that student adoption of shared documents and the collaborative features in Google Apps has been quite rapid. In fact, he felt that it really supported Brown’s recently updated curriculum that encourages students to self-design a major and course of study, noting that students were rapidly engaging faculty via Google Docs (and, in fact teaching them to use the tools).

Now, with the help of Appirio, a third-party Google partner, for conversion and training, faculty and staff have come on board as well. Mr. Pickett noted that Google’s native Exchange conversion tools were so effective, though, that Appirio has focused far more on training Brown users to utilize a new email and calendar tool, as well as to think of ways to better leverage the collaborative tools like Docs and Sites.

There’s that E-word, though, and it’s worth mentioning here. Mr. Picket explained that the school would have actually preferred to stick with a Microsoft solution. Their Live products (including Live@Edu) were “not an inappropriate solution,” he said, but the features they needed weren’t going to be available soon enough to meet Brown’s needs. He noted that “The Microsoft option will be a very competitive product.” When I asked him if he was willing to specify which features pushed them towards Google, he declined to answer, suggesting instead that it was better to move forward than look back. He was also quick to note that both Google’s and Microsoft’s solutions in this space were quite good and he recommended that universities evaluate both to see which might meet their needs better.

We finished our discussion of what he characterized as a very smooth and successful deployment with a few words about learning management systems. He and other CIOs are watching the evolution of learning/course management systems carefully, particularly in the context of tools like Google Apps, which could, in some cases, mitigate the need for a full-fledged LMS. He wondered whether at some point a provider like Google might simply make modules available within Apps that would leverage the existing collaborative platform and provide LMS/CMS functionality. That is an angle worth watching.

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Chris Dawson is a freelance writer and consultant with years of experience in educational technology and web-based systems. In 2011, he became the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network SaaS provider.

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Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson is the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., by day and a freelance writer and educational technology consultant by night. Well, most of his colleagues at WizIQ are based in India, so really he's working with them whenever he can stay awake. He has worked for his local school district as a teacher and technology director, for the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, and for Biogen, Inc. (now Biogen-IDEC, Inc.). He has also consulted with STATNet and Cytyc Corporation and retains close ties with X2 Development Corporation (now owned by Follett Software, the supplier of the student information system he administered for several years). Follett is paying him a monthly honorarium to act as a presenter for their "SIS Voices for Student Achievement" community (he produces occasional blog posts and hosts a monthly webinar on the use of student information systems to inform data-driven instruction and school-wide change. He regularly purchases and/or recommends Dell hardware. This is because Dell makes good hardware and has truly committed itself to education in innovative ways, particularly with their "Connected Classroom" initiative. It isn't because he has dealings with the company through his role at WizIQ (which he does) or because they have provided him with long-term loans of a variety of equipment for in-depth testing (which they have). Intel (reference designer for the Classmate PCs he has implemented in his local schools) has provided him with long-term loans of Classmate PCs for testing, as have Dell and Lenovo with their educational offerings. He may report on any of these companies as his experiences with them have direct bearing on educational technology; positive reports are not necessarily an endorsement and he receives no direct financial compensation from these companies or any others. Intel paid all expenses for his attendance at the 2009 Intel Classmate PC Ecosystem Summit which he attended as the sole representative of the technology press. He was invited to attend in 2010 but his wife would have killed him if he spent 3 days in Vegas geeking out and left her home alone with a new baby. Acer provided him with a 50% discount on an Aspire One netbook in early 2009 after he tested it for 30 days through their educational seed program. He liked the netbook at the time but it has since broken and sits unused in his office. Canonical sent him Ubuntu lanyards, t-shirts, and mousepads for his kids. He stole one of the lanyards and proudly hangs his keys from it and occasionally features his 8-year old wearing an oversized Ubuntu t-shirt on his Facebook profile. Gunnar Optiks sent him a pair of computer glasses to evaluate for a holiday gift guide. He is wearing them now as he types this because they never asked for them back and they rock out loud. Seriously - they work brilliantly and make it much easier to spend 20 hours a day staring at an LCD. If they ever asked for them back, he would fork over the $99 and buy a pair. Microsoft gave him 2 free copies of Office 2010 professional, a desktop clock, and a useless book on Office 2010 when he attended the launch of Office/Sharepoint 2010. He occasionally uses the SharePoint lanyard they gave him instead of the Ubuntu lanyard for his keys, but feels dirty afterwards. Adobe provided him with a pre-release version of the CS5 Master Collection for evaluation and ultimately provided a full, licensed copy for ongoing testing of educational applications of this admittedly expensive software. Like the Gunnars, if the license expires or they come out with CS6, he'd actually go out and buy it himself. Which is saying something, because he's actually pretty cheap. Any other companies wishing to send him cool things to evaluate, wear, or otherwise adorn his kids are more than welcome to; he promises to disclose it here if he keeps any of the stuff. Finally, because WizIQ is a virtual classroom and learning network provider, Chris, as VP of Marketing, frequently interacts with, seeks out deals with, and directly or indirectly competes with a whole lot of LMS, SIS, and other Education 2.0 companies. In general, he'll limit his reporting about these companies to news that does not impact his relationship with them or with WizIQ. If he reports on them, it's because what they are doing is newsworthy or worth the attention of his readers and not because he's trying to broker some deal, damage competition, or otherwise advance his position in his day job. LMS and SIS companies, along with other online learning communities, are a pretty important part of Ed Tech. If he stops reporting on them completely, there won't be a whole lot left. He'll be sure to call out any overt conflicts of interest if they are unavoidable. Finally, Follett Software Company pays him a little tiny honorarium every month to present on their SIS Voices webinars and to write the occasional blog or discussion thread for them. Since Follett recently bought X2 (maker of an awesome web-based SIS that Chris just happened to have used, served in advisory groups for, and frequently reported on), this is probably also worth disclosing.

Biography

Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson grew up in Seattle, back in the days of pre-antitrust Microsoft, coffeeshops owned by something other than Starbucks, and really loud, inarticulate music. He escaped to the right coast in the early 90's and received a degree in Information Systems from Johns Hopkins University. While there, he began a career in health and educational information systems, with a focus on clinical trials and related statistical programming and database modeling. This focus led him to several positions at Johns Hopkins, a couple-year stint in private industry, teaching high school math and technology, and 2 years as the technology director for his local school district. Most recently, he started his own consulting business and is now the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network provider. He lives with his wife, five kids (yes, 5), 2 dogs, and a hateful cat in a small town in north-central Massachusetts. Although he is no longer teaching, his roles with WizIQ and ZDNet allow him to continue helping students and teachers add value to education with technology rather than merely adding to the bottom line.
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RE: Brown University goes Google
broom87 26th Aug
I don't understand the reason behind choosing them

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saying why they chose it
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RE: Brown University goes Google
rasmasyean 1st Jul 2010
@Johnny Vegas He did say why. It's because both are basically pretty much equal in the end but google was more "ready" right now.

Google has been leading the internet collaborative stuff for some time. Microsoft has been focusing on thier core line which is collaboration with their own server products. In general, you will find that "low end" collaboration favors googles because it's cheaper and it's more internet penetrated. "high end" expensive solutions (like large corporations stuff) often involves MS because housing your own personal equipment is more flexible and powerful. Plus, it's more secure and integrates well with Office and .NET and Dynamics (for manufacturing).
just faster and easier to roll out. I imagine that they also wanted to reduce dependency on MS Office to reduct the amount paid for MS Office licenses. Remember, the MS solution essentially requires MS Office, which is NOT free.
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Neither is Google Apps
Cylon Centurion 1st Jul 2010
@DonnieBoy

Did you know that?
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RE: Brown University goes Google
jpamental 1st Jul 2010
It's also important to think about the cost and resource requirements for maintaining MS Exchange on a University-wide scale. By switching over it eliminates literally racks worth' of servers, freeing up space, electricity and people. I'm actually surprised that the math would be anywhere near compelling to stick with hosting the mail and calendaring 'in-house'.
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Live@Edu is Microsoft hosted
POSCoreTech 1st Jul 2010
@jpamental Please take the time to look at what Live@Edu actually is...it is not on-prem, it is totally hosted by Microsoft. No software needs to be installed at the school.
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he said "Almost got tenure too."
My college has ExchangeLabs or whatever it is called now and half of the students couldn't log in for the first few weeks. Now any student who knows anything about computers and would want to use it properly refuses to use it for the simple reason that it doesn't work.

You can't add the mail accounts to a mail client on a computer or phone, they must be accessed through the web interface. The web interface doesn't work properly, if at all, on Webkit browsers, there is a forwarding rule option to make all mail go to another account but the setup page for it doesn't do anything. Apparently there is online storage, no one uses it though because its not advertised well enough.

It is unfortunately a really terrible product that doesn't work in the way it should and looks like it does a lot when actually most things don't work or are limited so much that you can't use them.

I am a student, I have been forced to use the system for the last 2 years (although I have only checked my email on it about 10 times). On the other hand, I have a Gmail account and it works brilliantly.
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Sounds like an integration issue
POSCoreTech 1st Jul 2010
@558742 If they were trying to sync Live@Edu accounts with their Active Directory accounts (synch'd usernames & passwords), it sounds like they rolled it out to students before they had the integration work done. Don't discount the offering just because someone didn't implement it well.
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levinson 1st Jul 2010
@Qbt - Makes me wonder if they will eventually go back to hosting email services (for example) themselves instead of out-sourcing it.
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makatak62 2nd Jul 2010
@Qbt - Using a MS website (technet) to support your argument is laughable. I think the road ahead is fairly smooth for Google - they have a lot of headspace to grow the product, improve SLAs and reliability, and build upon successful deployments. This will be an exciting battle between MS and Google, and I think consumers will reap the benefits.
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RE: they switched back again
rkrisher@... 2nd Jul 2010
RE: Qbt Of course if Microsoft offers a priced incentive that the rest of the world normally wouldn't get, they would switch. Probably came out of Microsoft's advertising dollars.

The second reference is from the Microsoft site, so of course it's going to be biased toward Microsoft. There are more people that stay with Google than switch back.
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jfreedle2@... 6th Jul 2010
If I went to school there, I would refuse to use the school's email system.
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jsiegl@... 11th Jul 2010
@NStalnecker

If you are saying that Google is not free that is incorrect. For Education there is a different product (Google apps for education) that is free, the Microsoft product (Live@EDU) is free as long as institutions have a campus wide agreement with Microsoft.
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RE: Brown University goes Google
JasRob23 Updated - 11th Aug
Theres that E-word, though, and its worth mentioning here.
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I don't understand the reason behind choosing them

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