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Obama won the election - not social media

By | November 5, 2008, 8:35am PST

Summary: The big snake oil spotlight shines down upon us brightly — and justifiably — whenever we try to credit social media with a success that isn’t really a rightful success for it to claim

Once again, social media is taking more credit than it deserves.

I’m a proponent of social media for business and community benefit, obviously. However, I believe the big snake oil spotlight shines down upon us brightly — and justifiably — whenever we try to credit social media with a success that isn’t really a rightful success for it to claim. The 2008 election, and President-Elect Barack Obama’s triumph, is one such example.

Last night, a few conversations erupted on Twitter that ruffled my feathers. Obama had just finished his acceptance speech and while there was much chatter about this, there were also some voices chiming in about what a huge role social media played in this election. Yes, agree, to an extent. But then the claims when too far, when a couple of folks made comments that a portion of the win goes to social media. I slammed on the brakes. I calmed down. Then I woke up to some blogs making similar claims.

Yes, the candidates’ technology understanding and platforms are important, but not the most critical considerations when election a leader on which we place our freedom and security, our health and wellbeing. Yes, the Obama campaign made great use of social media and viral marketing, from his own portal to his active Twitter feed. Yes, blogs are far more widely accepted as a form of news media now than four years ago during the last presidential election. But those people outside of the “bubble” were not getting their facts and figures from social media.

We have to remember that those of us deep in the heart of business and even Silicon Valley live online yet a good portion of Americans do not. We have to remember that while there is a large percentage of Americans using social networks, it still represents only a small portion of Americans, more specifically American voters.

Obama won this election. The fact that the economy was in disarray and that a mockery was made of Sarah Palin certainly helped. Yet Obama won on the merits of his platform, his ability to lead and inspire confidence in Americans who desperately needed to trust in someone after eight years of George W. Bush, the same Americans who believe in his vision for our country. Social media might’ve helped to communicate these issues but I feel strongly that these credit claims insult and take accomplishment away from the men and women who spent hours and hours on the pavement, at campaign stations, at phone banks, who reached out the majority of Americans that have never even used MyBarackObama.com.

Let’s keep our eye on the ball, OK?

As an aside, social media did achieve something great last night — it didn’t collapse. Most of the major platforms suffered no downtime during the weight of the election banter. In a straw poll I conducted last night via my social networks, email IM, and so on, it did appear that even those people who used FriendFeed and Facebook and Seesmic — the apparent most popular socnets for live results conversation other than Twitter — were also using Twitter. The microblogging favorite did get a little wonky when everyone was reporting in that CNN officially projected Obama as the winner of the presidency, but the site recovered nicely. See, this is a claim social media can make.

Update 11/5/08 4:06 p.m. PT - For those interested, Dave Fleet provides a great analysis of this issue and this post on his blog.

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Jennifer Leggio, aka "Mediaphyter," writes about the "social business" side of social media - including enterprise, security and reputation issues.

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Jennifer is employed full-time with Fortinet, a leading network security appliance vendor. She is also actively involved in the network security community and works with the Security Bloggers Network. She co-manages the annual Security Bloggers Meet-UP at RSA Conference.

Jennifer is also involved with Silicon Valley Tweet-Up, a philanthropic networking event that brings people together to raise money for local family-oriented charities.

The blog posts here are solely her opinion and do not represent her employer or any other organization with which she may be affiliated.

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Jennifer Leggio

Jennifer Leggio (@mediaphyter) has been a communications professional for more than 15 years, focusing primarily on enterprise technology and security. She is currently the director of strategic communications for a leading network security vendor. Jennifer is also passionate about all things social media, especially enterprise, security, privacy and reputation issues, which is why she writes about these things for ZDNet.

A well-connected communicator, Jennifer has led or supported interactive social networking efforts for security industry conferences including RSA Conference, Black Hat USA and SOURCE Conference, and founded the Security Twits, a community for network security professionals. She also helps run communications for the Security Bloggers Network.

Finally, Jennifer co-hosts the Quick'n'Dirty social media podcast with Aaron Strout, is a founding member of Technically Women, a communal blog project, and manages marketing and public relations for Silicon Valley Tweet-Up, a networking group that raises money for family-oriented charities. Jennifer was profiled in Silicon Valley San Jose Business Journal's "40 Under 40" edition, as a rising star for 2009.

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what a load of bs
inertman@... 27th Jan 2009
he's a lying, criminal racist (& may not even be a legal citizen), and the media let hem get away w/ it when they wouldn't let anything he's done get by if it were a conservative. the media has a slobbering love affair w/ him and he loves it and so do all the marxists and socialists. you people make me ill. i can't wait until all of this blows up in their face, say in the first 3 months of his term. then everyone will be asking, "why didn't anyone tell us these things?"
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Social Media DID Win
thecaffeinatedblog 5th Nov 2008
Social media certainly did win last night. The part it played in Barack Obama's win may have been overblown by some, but the social media presences both candidates had played a huge part in communicating the issues to a large base of young, new or formerly apathetic voters who are big users of social media. Yes, Barack Obama's message of change and charismatic personality rallied these voters to stand up and vote; but he certainly knew how to use the right channels to do so.

This makes me wonder how social media will evolve to affect future elections.
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I think
puffaroo 6th Nov 2008
people will be more aware as time goes on that a lot of what bloggers say on the Internet is opinion and not fact. I'm guessing that there won't be as much excitement next time.

But then again, I say that every year after American Idol finishes another season.....
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Obama brainwashed the young voters
Linux Geek 5th Nov 2008
It won???t be long before Obama???s goons will show up to demand higher taxes on hard working real Americans and small businesses.
Now, the election unleashed Obama as a liberal serpent spewing Marxist venom that will destroy this great country.
I???ve had very nice and pleasant dreams since Palin was put on the ticket, but that turned into a nightmare last night with Obama raping me and pillaging this country.
May God bless America.
A huge portion of the United States has festered for eight years, believing the 2000 election was stolen from them. W's ineptitude and poor policy aside, those folks were never going to support that President.

It's time to rally behind this new President, despite the pain of loss for your candidate, or platform, or whatever.

The problems facing the nation are enormous, and we CAN'T fix them without resolving to do so together. ONE nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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LOL
frgough 5th Nov 2008
You just went on a rant telling how millions of Americans were justified in NOT rallying around a president because they disagreed with him on fundamental issues, but when it's your guy, well, we should just all ignore our fundamental differences and rally around the guy because our problems are so enormous.

Pot, meet kettle.
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arround obama?
Linux Geek 5th Nov 2008
How can you come together?
He was paling arround with terrorists and he is an anti American socialist.
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RE: You going arround & arround ? ....
n0neXn0ne Updated - 6th Nov 2008
He is whatever you want him to be, you can call him whatever you want to call him. Come January HE will be the POTUS . Deal wit it. As for now, you can just call him President - elect, sir.




^o^


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Let's hope not!
jbaviera@... 9th Nov 2008
That is yet to be seen! He still hasn't proven that he is a US citizen by birth. Yes, he has a certificate of birth, but that is different than a Birth Certificate! I know this first hand. I have two children, born to US citizens overseas. They have Birth Certificates from the country where they were born, and certificates of birth from the US. While they are US citizens, they are not considered "Natural Born" citizens, hence, not eligible to be President of these United States.
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As opposed to a Thief?
nucrash 5th Nov 2008
Remember the S&L scandal of the nineties. If I remember correctly, Ayers had stopped blowing up buildings twenty years before that.

If we don't learn to put the past behind us, we are likely to repeat it. Remember the past, but get over it as well.

After all, my girlfriend happens to be from a country we were once at war with, guess that makes me evil too. And those filthy Brits. While we are at it, we should hate the Germans and French to, who cares that they are great economic partners now, or that they helped us out back during the American Revolution.
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Wrong
dch48 5th Nov 2008
The 2000 election was not stolen--It was prevented from being stolen.
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The time to come together was about 8 years ago
DeepThoughtsShallowMind 6th Nov 2008
Where were you when we were attacked on 9/11 ? The nation came together for about 2 weeks and then the media began piling on the rhetoric and propaganda.

I have never witnessed such arrogance and outright blatant disrespect for a fellow politician than in Obama...he smiles and coily flips off both Clinton and McCain (look up the YouTube videos and decide for yourself).

And I guess Obama's $600+ million war chest had nothing to do with his win either....no it's just his experience and great ideas that everyone believes in - by the way, can you mention one tangible idea he has??? hope, change, hope, change all while playing the political fiddle to a t.
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RE: ...come together ...
n0neXn0ne Updated - 6th Nov 2008
"...by the way, can you mention one tangible idea he has???"



When you say something, say what you know. When you don't know something, say you don't know. That is knowledge.
You cannot open a book without learning something.



You have a case of neglected perception, only see and hear what you want to.



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Look at Congress
cjcon 6th Nov 2008
The incoming president may do a lot, but EVERYTHING is in the hands of Congress - a branch of government that just happens to be controlled by the same political party. Oh, and for the bigger social issues, etc., we'll need to wait until he has had the chance to appoint his preferred judicial positions. Oh, where has the seperation of powers gone - oh woe is me. But, then again, I expected to find Technology and related topics being discussed here, not this stuff. Oh, woe is me, will Windows 7 be good, where is Apple going, will the White House move entirely to Apple computers, where is Linux headed, so may questions, so many social responses!
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Nation coming together
geneflake 6th Nov 2008
I truely want a coming together but I still remember the wooden horse thingy with lots warriors inside. Do you recall reading of this chapter? God Bless America !!! I will hold my right hand over my heart...and I will display my flag to anyone in this world !!! Proud American I am......
Being an independent, i see both sides of the complaints.. but the republicans are by far the nastiest in their attacks.

McCain didnt represent me... bush did during the 2000 election... but after that he turned into a kid with his fingers in his ears screaming.. "lalalalallalalala i cant hear you" then doing what he wanted.

He will go down in history as the worst president and maybe even the most contriversial.
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Bookmark your post and this reply
frgough 5th Nov 2008
Obama's first public address will be an explanation of how he cannot implement his tax cut because Bush screwed the economy up so badly that the government needs that money to help the truly hardest hit.

You heard it first.
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Been_Done_Before is a moron.
fj1200 5th Nov 2008
Oh boy. you are such an idiot, you rant about the lack of education, then prove what an uneducated moron you yourself are by your spelling errors and incorrect capitalization. Maybe it is you still in junior high school with your hands over your ears screaming "lalalalala".
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Again --wrong
dch48 5th Nov 2008
The only thing wrong with Bush was that he couldn't run for a third term. Term limits are wrong anyway. They show a fundamental distrust of the people to elect their leadership. When we get somebody we like, we should be able to keep them as long as we want.
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Independent or unaffiliated?
cjcon 6th Nov 2008
Are you truly an Independent and registered as one or are you unaffiliated? Makes a difference.
... you may wish to proofread your comments before you post them. Your grammar and spelling mistakes undercut your implied claim to intellectual superiority.

If you can't manage to string together three intelligible paragraphs, why should strangers value your opinion?
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Guess you better move then.
bjbrock 5th Nov 2008
Your rhetoric speaks of low intelligence. When people such as yourself move to another country then this one can be greater.
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OK, troll I'll bite. I can only imagine what pleasant and very nice dreams you had about Palin. Putting the tax rate back to where it was under Bill Clinton hardly qualifies as Marxist. It sounds to me like you listen to Rush and Savage too much son.
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Can you explain...
Churlish Updated - 5th Nov 2008
...How increasing taxes will extricate our nation from its current crisis? No country has ever taxed its way to prosperity.

I can understand why leftists don't like talk radio: it's because there's a message of responsibility there, of cause and effect. When liberals are confronted with the cold, hard logic necessary to function in the real world, they tend to plug their ears and marginalize the messenger.
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It won't... and some more food for thought...
Linux User 147560 5th Nov 2008
I am posting this because I think it's important to get the word out to as many people as possible...

Wow, it's amazing we lasted this long as a nation.

Gun control doesn't work. Look at every city and nation that has locked down private gun ownership and you will see a direct correlation in violent crime increases. Those are hard facts that the anti-gunners don't want you to hear or read about.

A disclaimer, I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat but I know many of you are... if you take issue with the facts presented please take them up with the originating authors. I am only passing on what should be common knowledge already. In other words don't shoot the Libertarian messenger.

HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?
This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. The sad thing about it, you can see it coming.

I have always heard about this democracy countdown. It is interesting to see it in print. Help us, not that we deserve it.

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

?A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.?

?A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.?

?From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.?

?The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years

During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6. from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. from dependence back into bondage?

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:

Number of States won by:
Democrats: 19
Republicans: 29

Square miles of land won by:
Democrats: 580,000
Republicans: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by:
Democrats: 127 million
Republicans: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: (This is what gun control will get you...)
Democrats: 13.2 (pro-gun control)
Republicans: 2.1 (pro-second amendment)

Professor Olson adds: ?In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare...?

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the ?complacency and apathy? phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the ?governmental dependency? phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message. If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.


WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE, ONLY BECAUSE OF THE ARMED BRAVE. devil
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Hear Hear
dch48 5th Nov 2008
Now that was one great post
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One more piece...
Linux User 147560 5th Nov 2008
?Robert A. Heinlein wrote that an armed society is a polite society. The common perception is that armed societies were polite because an act of rudeness might evolve into a duel, as portrayed in Dumas' The Three Musketeers. The real reason, though, is the mindset and psychology that come with responsible weapon ownership. The knight's sword was a symbol of his duty to protect weaker members of society and behave chivalrously, e.g. with respect and courtesy to women, elderly people, and so on. The sword was the soul of the Japanese samurai, a constant reminder of the samurai's duty and code of behavior. The sword was a symbol of taking responsibility, not only for one's self, but usually for others.

If you don't like cops (or armed citizens), the next time you're in danger-- call a hippie! (Or a Million Mom Marcher)

The modern American who buys a firearm for self-protection is saying, "I recognize that life involves danger, and by owning a weapon I accept my responsibility to protect myself and those who are entitled to my protection-- my wife/husband, children, parents, and perhaps friends and neighbors." An American who shoots at targets for recreation is practicing a form of self-discipline similar to kyudo (Japanese archery). If you are attacked by a criminal, it is the person with the armed-citizen mindset who is more likely to call the police. If you're in a car accident, this is the person who is more likely to stop and give first aid if possible, or else call an ambulance for you. The antigun activist is likely to look the other way, like the New Yorkers did when Kitty Genovese was stabbed to death. They didn't want to get involved, not even to the extent of picking up a telephone. More recently, a cab driver was attacked and robbed in the presence of dozens of New Yorkers, of whom not one called the police. You could probably bleed to death on a New York sidewalk while dozens of people walked past; these are the same people who parade in the Million Mom March and elect mayors and governors who enact handgun bans.

Many antigun activists are saying, "I do not want to recognize that life involves danger. I deserve to live in a protected environment, and I should not have to think about protecting myself, my spouse, my parents, my children, or my neighbors. This is the 21st century, and violence simply should not happen." It's the same mindset that went with the "ban the Bomb" movements of the 1970s and 1980s; they wanted to legislate the Bomb out of existence and pretend that nuclear war couldn't (and can't) happen. The mice voted to put a bell on the cat so they'd be safe. It all goes with dodging and avoiding responsibility, and the moral (and often physical) cowardice that goes with this mindset. Placing responsibility for violence on the inanimate object (the gun or the Bomb) instead of on people goes with it.

Consider Rosie O'Donnell, who has a bodyguard to protect her and her family. Maybe she wants to delegate the physical risks to an employee, or maybe she doesn't want to endanger her nail polish with a steel trigger guard. Ted Kennedy has, or had, an armed bodyguard. I'm sure this rich man's rich boy who never did a lick of honest work in his entire worthless life would not want to touch anything made of steel, whether it be a household tool or a weapon; that is what servants are for. Chinese mandarins grew their fingernails long as proof that they did not have to fight or do any work; that is probably why there are no mandarins today. Here's the problem with all those bodyguards and rent-a-cops that are so popular with our "beautiful people"/ celebrity/ limousine liberal aristocrat class. Machiavelli's The Prince says that you cannot pay a man enough to make him willing to die for you. That security person is not going to put his life in serious danger to protect you, your spouse, or your child-- and if you're unwilling to do that, why should he?

Why the pro-Second Amendment side will win: Xenophon

Heinlein also defined a gentleman as one who would rather be a dead lion than a live louse (or rabbit). It is really easier, though, to be a live lion than a live rabbit. Xenophon's The Persian Expedition says, "...the people whose one aim is to keep alive usually find a wretched and dishonorable death, while the people who, realizing that death is the common lot of all men, make it their endeavor to die with honor, somehow seem more often to reach old age and to have a happier life when they are alive." So it is with antigun activists and gun rights supporters. The former seek safety in ineffective laws and "this is how the world ought to be," and they find no safety; the latter look to themselves for security, and they are secure. Xenophon's Ten Thousand heeded his advice and most came safely home to Greece. Ronald Reagan and George Bush won the Cold War, not by trying to ban the Bomb, but by looking it in the face. We, the supporters of the Second Amendment, are Xenophon's disciples, and that is why we will win; the lions will beat the rabbits every time. ?
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thanx for the good laugh
Quebec-french 5th Nov 2008
yes your concept is right and good in a society that intelligent and wise but at this moment will all the moron and idiot that can barely tie there shoes .....you wanna give them GUN ....

your Xenophon idea is very deep and proud But there a few thing call law ... to prevent moron from playing cop and robber ..... To give a large portion of a population weapon is to give a large portion of moron weapon .... personally weapon and moron dont mix well.
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Actually your premise is incorrect
Linux User 147560 5th Nov 2008
and the statistics and studies bear this out. And the idea isn't mine, it's Robert Heinlein. Guess I better go back and correct that. devil
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deeply soory about that
Quebec-french 6th Nov 2008
Again its apply neither to you or anybody else moron with gun is bad
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No-you're wrong
dch48 Updated - 6th Nov 2008
And Linux is right. Statistics from every place that has taken guns away from the citizenry show at least a 40% increase in violent crime as a result. Talk to people in England and hear how the burglars don't even bother to wait until people are out of their homes before breaking in, robbing,and brutalizing them. They do this because they know that the honest people will not be equipped to defend themselves and their property.
The basic difference between Conservatives and Liberals is this. Conservatives seek to conserve the Constitution and the principles this country was founded on. Liberals are constantly trying to change these things and revise history to support their agendas.

There are other reasons why the second amendment exists. We were never supposed to have a standing army. The citizens were to be called into service if needed and to be able to provide their own weapons. Another reason for the amendment is that we were to maintain the ability to rise up aginst an unjust government that attempted to take away the rights that the founding fathers rose up and rebelled to give to us. Our government was supposed to have a healthy fear of the people and thus be kept in check. The English common people even in that day were denied the right to arm themselves. That was not to be the case here.
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Some quotes for you to digest...
Linux User 147560 6th Nov 2008
When only cops have guns, it's called a "police state".

Love your country, but never trust its government. -- Robert A. Heinlein.

"The power to tax involves the power to destroy;...the power to destroy may defeat and render useless the power to create...." -- Chief Justice John Marshall, 1819.

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action, according to our will, within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others." -- Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government" -- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good" -- George Washington

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -- Mahatma Gandhi

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficient... The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." -- Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Tolerance in the face of tyranny is no virtue." -- Barry Goldwater

"I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical." -- Thomas Jefferson, Letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

The people of the various provinces are strictly forbidden to have in their possession any swords, short swords, bows, spears, firearms, or other types of arms. The possession of unnecessary implements makes difficult the collection of taxes and dues and tends to foment uprisings. -- Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Shogun, August 1588

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it." -- Abraham Lincoln, 4 April 1861

"One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms." -- Constitutional scholar Joseph Story, 1840

"The bearing of arms is the essential medium through which the individual asserts both his social power and his participation in politics as a responsible moral being..." -- J.G.A. Pocock, describing the beliefs of the founders of the U.S.

Men trained in arms from their infancy, and animated by the love of liberty, will afford neither a cheap or easy conquest. -- From the Declaration of the Continental Congress, July 1775.

"As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives [only] moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion to your walks." -- Thomas Jefferson, writing to his teenaged nephew.

No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it. -- 16 Am. Jur. Sec. 177 late 2d, Sec 256

"The state calls its own violence `law', but that of the individual `crime'" -- Max Stirner

"Taking my gun away because I might shoot someone is like cutting my tongue out because I might yell `Fire!' in a crowded theater." -- Peter Venetoklis
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Agreed - It won't
altacom 5th Nov 2008
For one thing, when the Bush Tax relief package expires, everyone will get a tax increase. People seem to not remember that little caveat.
So we may not see a big change for 2 years. In the meantime Obama plans on taxing anybody that makes over $250,000 a year with the highest capital gains and business taxes in the world. And give it to the little people, 40% of whom pay no taxes whatsoever.
So if you are in business, and your taxes go up, what are your choices? Eat the increase - not likely. increase the cost of your goods and services - partial solution. Get rid of some workers - another partial solution. Or if you can do it, outsource to a country that has lower taxes. AH! theres the total solution, and it's not that hard under the NAFTA program sponsored by - you guessed it - Bill Clinton and the democratic congress. And admittedly a few of the left leaning republicans in office a that time.
I know of 2 small business' here in my local area that are planning to sell out, or just close their doors when the new tax comes in, and they seem pretty sure that it will come in.
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there a easy solution to that
Quebec-french 5th Nov 2008
if you dont do your stuff inside USA you cant sell in usa ...that the solution. if every country uses that moto no more cheap labor no more abuse no rich filthy business man
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LOL - figures - nt
TheBottomLineIsAllThatMatters 6th Nov 2008
nt
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I know of two businesses as well hunkering down
TheBottomLineIsAllThatMatters 6th Nov 2008
for this...and it's not good. People just don't get it... Still waiting for the race thing to come up - that will be ungly and very sad.
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Exactly
dch48 Updated - 6th Nov 2008
Republicans are practical,level headed,and realistic. Democrats are driven by emotion and impractical ideas. They respond to demagoguery far more than Republicans do. When I listened to Obama's speech, it was pure demagoguery. He went on and on, sounding noble and pure, but actually said absolutely nothing of substance. Typical of a Democrat.
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1. Obama is a liberal to the max, and wants to institute a socialist society in this country. Government control over business, and unfortunately our personal lives.
2. Obama will have a Filibuster proof congress, and the congress is under control of members that wish to make us into a socialist society.
3. obama will be appointing 3 Supreme court Judges, also very liberal and socialist oriented. Thereby having a Super Legislative supreme court to further weaken our Constitution. Remember the recent decision upholding the Second Ammendment was a 5 to 4 split decision.

Congress has already setup a lot of backroom bills that wll be dumped on us after January 20. Not the least is an huge increase on the taxes to buy a gun, or if they can get away with it, making ownership of a gun illegal, a big tax increase on the Oil Companies, amnesty for illegal aliens, The Fairness Doctrine to silence conservative talk shows (there goes the first ammenment), and some others that haven't been disclosed yet.

And nothing we can do about it now. The next 4 years are going to be a rough ride. And some one once said "Once a society begins to go down the road to Socialism, There is no turning back".
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carry a majority of the states and constitution require ratification at the state level. He will never get that, despite his crappy, low-thinking socialist agenda (they never last long - thank God!) our founding fathers of Government were pretty darn smart! 232 years and still going baby! On top of that he lost the South! and Mid-West... The baby-boomer's will never stand for a strong socialist agenda - that will haunt him forever, and kill any Democrat from getting president for along time...killed Carter didn't it! - Guess what it will happen again.
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But hopefully none of that will come
TheBottomLineIsAllThatMatters 6th Nov 2008
to fruition...
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Ignorance is Bliss (nt)
n0neXn0ne 5th Nov 2008
devil
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AMEN -
TheBottomLineIsAllThatMatters 6th Nov 2008
God-Bless America!
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Brainwashed?
slofsjes@... 6th Nov 2008
Linux geek, you expect your country will be destroyed, so why ask God to bless America? It seems you expect he/she isn't going to be there for all of you. You don't make sense in piolitics, religion or computing.
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Yes brainwashed
dch48 7th Nov 2008
I don't like Linux as an OS, but Linuxgeek is right on target in the other two areas.
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RE: Obama won the election - not social media
Linux User 147560 5th Nov 2008
Who cares... we were screwed with either candidate... with Obama we will get pure Socialism... with McCain it would have been more Corporate Fascism. The ride has finally coasted to a stop. The experiment is over and another Republic falls from grace. History repeats itself. devil
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social media has become an evil tool
Linux Geek Updated - 5th Nov 2008
It has to be regulated like the porn industry so it won't fall into the wrong hands again.
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USSA now.
bricar2 5th Nov 2008
1-20-09
Socialism is coming. Welcome to the USSA.
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You are behind by over 70 years
nucrash 5th Nov 2008
Socialism was here in the thirties. That was our cure to the Great Depression.

Please try again.
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To some extent you're right
altacom 5th Nov 2008
We have allowed socialism to creep in for many years. And it has been coming on little cat feet - a bit here and a bit there. This is going to be the biggest incursion and perhaps the un-recoverable one however.
Kruschev promsed it when he said that "communism will bury you" referring to the United States in a UN speech many years ago.
Anytime there is a segment of society that says "the government should finance this or that so I don't have to pay for it" and gets his way with a law being passed, further pushes us toward socialism. And eventually Marxism.
The constitution only guarantees life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Not government paying your mortgage, your credit card payments, your food bill, and some of the other things covered by the welfare state as it stands today.
The founding fathers expected that each individual would seek the pursuit of happiness based on his own efforts, and guaranteed each of us the freedom to do just that.
But in our society now, you can sneak across the border, apply for welfare, and get free medical, food stamps, and social security for your grandmother and grandfather without having contributed a thing. Or you can just claim welfare because you live under a bridge, because you're not interested in getting a job.
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Our founding fathers didn't really expect people to build up a corporation based on not actually selling much except for bankrolling them selves into a bunch of bogus companies which the would incur debt and while the heads of this company took off and tanked after years of duping their own employees to invest in their own company. Something to be said about loyalty.

Capitalism has been marred over the years and while I want those to pay who marred it, for some reason the only way out is to make everyone suffer. A thing that I hated about class when I was in school.

Both system have their pitfalls.

I personally think the US needs to fluctuate between the two systems to keep both in check, but we also need both parties to learn to respect privacy of the individual.
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Or did it cause it...hummmmm - nt
TheBottomLineIsAllThatMatters 6th Nov 2008
nt
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what a load of bs
inertman@... 27th Jan 2009
he's a lying, criminal racist (& may not even be a legal citizen), and the media let hem get away w/ it when they wouldn't let anything he's done get by if it were a conservative. the media has a slobbering love affair w/ him and he loves it and so do all the marxists and socialists. you people make me ill. i can't wait until all of this blows up in their face, say in the first 3 months of his term. then everyone will be asking, "why didn't anyone tell us these things?"

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