A Forrester interview with Steve Ballmer about the SharePoint Business

Summary: I had the pleasure to sit down with Steve Ballmer for an interview at the Microsoft SharePoint conference in Las Vegas this week. My research team at Forrester spends a lot of time thinking, researching, and writing about the future of information work.

I had the pleasure to sit down with Steve Ballmer for an interview at the Microsoft SharePoint conference in Las Vegas this week. My research team at Forrester spends a lot of time thinking, researching, and writing about the future of information work. So getting Steve’s view on SharePoint’s decade-long evolution from a basic document sharing application to a broad platform for rapid application development, intranet and internet sites, content management, search, social computing, and composite applications, was something I couldn’t pass up.

Unfortunately, pre-taped interviews are like a ball of pizza dough. They start life with different ingredients, get molded into interesting shapes through the discussion, until they’re eventually pounded and rolled out by communications professionals into something utterly flat and lifeless. This is not a ding on Microsoft, Forrester has its share of communications pros with flour on their hands too. For the video version, click here. But let’s consider several highlights that did and didn’t make the video. Consider that Steve:

  • Compares SharePoint to the PC… “In my own mind I compare [SharePoint] to the PC, the PC started off life as a spreadsheet machine, then became a programming machine, a word processing machine, [SharePoint is] a general purpose infrastructure that connects people to people and people to information,” says Steve. Is it just me, or does this analogy say a lot about the scale and scope of Microsoft’s ambition for SharePoint? Of course the millions of people licensed on SharePoint today pales in comparison to the billions of people using PCs. But the recipe for SharePoint does resemble the recipe for the modern-day PC to some extent: mix programmability, broadly available developer tools, common user experience conventions (aka, the “ribbon” interface), and useful applications for communicating, reading, writing, and storing information.
  • Doubles down on Windows Phone for mobile access to SharePoint… I asked Steve about mobility, specifically whether the SharePoint team is targeting competing smart phones, like RIM’s Blackberry, or Apple iPhone, with dedicated client applications. The answer was “no,” paired with a big Steve Ballmer style smile.  I thought this a fair question as my colleague Ted Schadler’s Workforce Technographics report recently showed that while only 11% of information workers in companies use a smart phone for work, the number of collaborative applications people use on these devices, and the number of locations workers use these apps from are both very high and growing. Combined with decreasing prices for smart phones, it feels like we’re on the brink of a tipping point where smart phones become a ubiquitous platform for enterprise computing. For now, Steve seems willing to let others build iPhone apps for SharePoint. Is this a mistake? Time will tell, but after a week in Vegas of dropped calls and late delivery of SMS messages on my own iPhone, it’d be a big mistake to call the smart phone race prematurely.
  • Positions SharePoint as a serious rapid application development platform.  A big focus of the conference, and the interview, was on developers. Steve disagreed with my argument that SharePoint is not a “serious” development platform in the eyes of IT architects and developers. He countered, “I disagree … I think SharePoint is considered a very serious development platform for rapid application development.” What struck me was his take on the opportunity presented by “the many applications companies build with one man year or less of development.” Having worked in or consulted with IT departments for the majority of my career, I can’t tell you how many that is, but I’m confident saying it’s a whole lot. Many of these apps are built on technologies like Microsoft Access, Visual Basic, Lotus Notes, Java server pages, Active Server Pages, and more. So while high-end middleware companies duke it out for the comparatively few large, transactional, and process-heavy apps of the world, Steve appears completely content for now capturing even a portion of the smaller apps market. To get there, Microsoft must convince enterprise architects that tools like InfoPath Forms and SharePoint Designer can be used without taking down entire SharePoint server farms, something Microsoft has ostensibly failed to do thus far. Is SharePoint 2010 the answer? Won’t know til the Beta is underway in November. But given Steve’s talk of creating a SharePoint “sandbox in the cloud,” my bet is we’ll see lots of liberal arts programmers forged into “SharePoint Developers” over the next decade (whether enterprise architects like it or not).

Is the SharePoint/PC analogy a stretch? Is a dedicated SharePoint mobile client for competing devices a missed opportunity for Microsoft? Will SharePoint 2010 finally lead to the next generation of liberal arts “developers” building small, but useful apps? I’ve got my ideas, what about you?

Topics: Microsoft, Collaboration, Enterprise Software, Software

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  • Microsoft providing services gives me the Willies

    Microsoft providing services gives me the Willies, because what will the rest of us do?

    So my questions around SharePoint would be, will MS provide anything inhouse as a service that will not be an included feature in the software licensed for externally hosting?
    bearlyworking
    • Your Comment: Microsoft giving you the willies

      Not sure I completely understand your question. Sounds like you're asking if Microsoft's Business Productivity Online Services (BPOS) version of SharePoint will be different from the on-premises version. It is today. There's lots you can do on-prem that you can't do in the cloud with SharePoint - e.g. mySites, custom deployed Web parts, etc. Over time I suspect they'll work to reduce this gap - in fact SP 2010 gets closer. But I think the bigger question is how long will it take before companies are willing to move their SharePoint sites to the cloud. That'll be a much longer road, and many will never bother.
      mtbrown72
  • SharePoint != LAMP

    The problem will still be tools. If dev'ing for S1P1:2010
    requires Visual Studio or any additional licenses on top of the
    collection MS already bills their customers for I don't see it.
    Dev platforms must be ubiquitous and accessible, and S1P1
    is neither.
    kitplummer
  • ISVs acclaim SharePoint as dev platform for business processes

    Developers always want to (re-)develop everything from scratch. But programming takes time and money. With SharePoint, you can use lots of platform features in your development, e.g. versioning, checkin/out, workflow etc. ISVs acclaim this, you find hundreds of solutions here:

    http://www.sharepointreviews.com/component/jreviews/tag/developer/Layer2_m1/
    fdaske
  • Ballmer borrowing all my terminology

    We have talked about Lotus Notes 8 as a composite
    applications environment for years; now SharePoint is one.
    We are talking about a Lotus Domino "sandbox in the cloud"
    publicly for the last few weeks...now SharePoint will have
    one. Does this guy ever have an original thought?
    ka9taw@...
    • Notes vs. SharePoing

      During the interview Forester analyst Matt Brown says to Steve Balmer: "You mentioned today [in your keynote] that there is no other really comparable product. I would agree that there are very few of your competitors have chosen the same path, pushing together Portal, Content, Search and a number of different workloads [vigorous nodding from Steve Balmer] with Administration behind it".

      I ask: WHAT ABOUT NOTES/DOMINO and other IBM products? IBM seems to be invisible in much of the marketing space specifically in the collaboration area.

      Any ideas why this is?
      sfreedman@...
      • Your comment: Notes vs. SharePoint Marketing

        Thanks for the comment. I don't know for sure why IBM/Lotus is not more visible in the collaboration market. My colleague Rob Koplowitz recently wrote a report on this market, and IBM/Lotus products did very well (http://www.forrester.com/rb/Research/wave%26trade%3B_collaboration_platforms%2C_q3_2009/q/id/47748/t/2). I suspect IBM/Lotus is getting outgunned by Microsoft's marketing machine. I also think Lotus' "portfolio of products" strategy has not fared as well as Microsoft's broad platform strategy - particularly in the collaboration market. In other words, to even compare SharePoint to IBM's offering, you have to include a whole slew of products: Lotus Notes/Domino, Lotus Quickr, Lotus Connections, Websphere Portal, IBM Mashup Center, IBM Web Content Management, and many more. These are all very good products but the branding is confusing and they haven't achieved the same level of integration as SharePoint. Finally, I'd assert that SharePoint got a lot of early traction because Windows SharePoint Services was a.) free to those licensed on Windows server, and b.) viral in the way companies and employees adopted it. My 2 cents.
        mtbrown72
      • Just TRY Notes or Oracle or other systems...

        ...for yourself. You'll come to learn the meaning of the term, "User-Hostile".

        I recently had the misfortune of having to work in a government environment standardized on Notes. It was like stepping back into the OS/2 stone age.

        Just about everyone in the organization was BEGGING to be put onto the 'developer' network so they could use the Microsoft tools like Exchange, OWA and MOSS.

        Look at the user interfaces, features and functionality of these other products -- then take a second look at how they interface with the end-user desktop.

        The results will speak for themselves.
        Marty R. Milette
        • Your Comment: Trying Notes or Oracle

          Thank you for reminding me of yet another reason why IBM/Lotus marketing has been less visible than Microsoft's. I'm betting you were standardized on a version of Notes prior to version 8 at that gov't org. I worked at a professional services firm for a number of years that had an older version of Notes that by today's standards was fairly hostile to use. Starting with LN version 8, the interface has seen substantial improvements though, as seen here: http://www-10.lotus.com/ldd/ddwiki.nsf/dx/Notes-clients-elements.htm (be sure to scroll down). Unfortunately, I think many people formed their opinions about the interface based on prior versions.
          mtbrown72