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Oracle says no to Itanium: Embarrassment for Intel, big problem for HP

By | March 24, 2011, 6:46am PDT

Summary: Oracle announced it is ceasing development for Itanium across its Itanium product line. What are the implications for Intel and HP? How could IBM benefit? Richard Fichera provides his initial thoughts on the news.

Oracle announced that it is going to cease development for Itanium across its product line, stating that they believed, after consultation with Intel management, that x86 was Intel’s strategic platform. Intel of course responded with a press release that specifically stated that there were at least two additional Itanium products in active development – Poulsen (which has seen its initial specifications, if not availability, announced), and Kittson, of which little is known.

This is a huge move, and one that seems like a kick carefully aimed at HP’s Itanium-based server business, which competes directly with Oracle’s SPARC-based Unix servers. If Oracle stays the course in the face of what will certainly be immense pressure from HP, mild censure from Intel and consternation on the part of many large customers, the consequences are pretty obvious:

  • Intel loses prestige, credibility for Itanium, and a potential drop-off of business from their only large Itanium customer. Nonetheless, the majority of Intel’s server business is x86, and they will, in the end, suffer only a token loss of revenue. Intel’s response to this move by Oracle will be muted – public defense of Itanium, but no fireworks.
  • HP gets hit. Oracle’s database is a major workload on HP’s Itanium servers, with possibly up to 50% of HP’s flagship Superdome servers running Oracle. A public statement from Oracle that they will no longer develop their database software will be a major drag on sales for anyone considering a new Oracle project on HP-UX and will make customers and prospects nervous about other key ISV packages as well. We should note that this does not to equate to either wholesale abandonment of HP platforms or an immediate dip in revenue. Oracle versions tend to live for years after their successors are announced, so many HP customers with current Oracle versions (which Oracle will continue to support on HP-UX/Itanium) will still buy additional capacity for years after the next non-Itanium versions are introduced.
  • IBM can potentially profit with a combination of their P-Series servers running AIX as an alternative to HP-UX. However, since they also compete with Oracle’s servers and their volumes are not that much different from HP’s, they could be the next victim. IBM will probably use this opportunity to ramp up their DB2 marketing on AIX as well.
  • Major enterprise HP-UX customers will see their options constrained and will probably incur additional costs out of current budget plans. Since migrating from the Oracle database is difficult and expensive, many of them may be forced to prematurely refresh their systems if they need a newer version of Oracle under on a Unix platform. And guess who will be prepared to sell them such a system, on a CPU architecture that has even less market share than either Itanium or Power CPUs?
  • Microsoft can come out ahead on this as well by aggressively pushing SQL server into the uncertainty caused by Oracle’s move.

All in all a very rough move on Oracle’s part. Oracle claims that the move was not motivated by competitive issues with HP, and HP has been very vocal in decrying it as destructive and unfair to major enterprise Oracle customers. While it is always difficult to unravel the decision process of major shifts like this one, my gut feel is that HP’s claim probably has some merit. Oracle was in a position where an  arguably reasonable decision on long-term strategy also had a potential negative tactical impact on a major competitor, and as such was probably much easier to make.

As a closing thought, note that I say “tactical” and not “strategic” in regards to the impact of this decision on HP. HP has the technology and the resources to port HP-UX to an x86 platform, and today even has x86 systems such as the DL980 that are worthy platforms for HP-UX, as well as the ability to build a Superdome variant based on x86. HP has resisted this move for many years as x86 matured and out of a desire to preserve Itanium system revenues. Oracle’s thrown gauntlet may be the trigger HP needs. From a customer perspective, there is no real need to consider abandoning a strategic HP relationship. The company has a good track record in bridging generations of hardware for its HP-UX users, and there is no reason to think that the transition to an x86 system would be different – current Itanium customers should expect multiple yeas of parallel availability, and HP has said they will support Itanium systems for at least a decade.

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  • Poke in the eye with a stick
    I can see how it might cost Oracle a small 6-figure sum to regression test everything on Itanium, and perhaps they don't derive that much revenue from it.

    But if this were really about money, that problem could be handled with a price increase on the Itanium version.

    This has to be more about trying to sell SPARC servers than anything else. And as a tactic for that, it's kind of sleazy.
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    Robert Hahn
    24th Mar
  • RE: Oracle says no to Itanium: Embarrassment for Intel, big problem for HP
    @Robert Hahn

    I suspect the cost for maintaining the Itanic version could easily be in millions, and I doubt Oracle is making that much on that version. A price increase would just cause HP to complain and drive away current customers.

    I am sure the thought of pushing people to Sparc did cross there mind, but having run teams doing system level software support costs surprise most people.
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    oldsysprog
    24th Mar
  • HP should persuade Microsoft and Redhat to resume development
    If I were HP, I would go to Microsoft, beg them, pay them to resume development of both Windows Server and SQL Server on Itanium. I would do the same with Redhat and work with IBM to ensure they continue to support and develop their wares on Itanium. That's the only work around I have for HP right now to really punish Oracle. If HP is able to get industry partners to commit and invest in Itanium then customers will not be so alarmed and might even look at Oracle as the bad guy, this will ultimately make Oracles tactic backfire on them since they will be seen as not putting customers first. Customers will then invest in Microsoft, IBM and other brands because they are more committed to them than Oracle who will be seen as only chasing the bottom line.
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    Mr. Dee
    24th Mar
  • Why not port Windows Phone 7 to Itanium...
    ...and create an embedded version of the processor, to fend off the ARM assault on x86.

    I mean, if we are speculating, I don't see it difficult to take a Tukwila core and convert it into a fully embedded processor with none of the power drain. It would surely beat Cortex-A9 and Atom. It could run Windows Phone 7 and even be available on a tablet...

    Of course, you know am kidding... right?!!
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    cosuna
    24th Mar
  • HP isn't principally concerned with Itanium . . .
    . . . they just care about HP-UX, which they run on Itanium. So Microsoft and Red Hat are irrelevant - HP's perfectly happy selling x86(-64) gear to run all that. HP hasn't ported HP-UX to x86-64 yet because they don't have to, such migrations always entail some disruption and risk, and they have agreed with Intel on a roadmap that could keep Itanium in the picture for the rest of the decade. The more relevant HP response, both for promoting their own interests and "punishing" Oracle, would be supporting customer migration to PostgreSQL, a credible alternative because of available Oracle-compatible interfaces for that RDBMS.
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    oracleif
    26th Mar
  • And the potential impact on Oracle is???????
    Oracle's motives are pretty obvious here. They want to sell SPARC kit and lock customers in.

    Oracle is taking a pretty big gamble.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/24/oracle_hp_ux_itanium_analysis/
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    Economister
    24th Mar
  • Itanium has no reason to be
    Itanium has no compelling reason to exist.

    It is slower than Xeon or Sparc and the low volumes ensure low investment.

    Oracle did their customers a favor by motivating them to go to a better supported more competent architecture.

    Avraam Jack Dectis
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    Lysergicum Diethylamide
    24th Mar
  • Good point
    @avraamjack@... and presumably Oracle will be assisting customers with motivation to get off the even more marginal SPARC architecture.
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    oracleif
    26th Mar
  • RE: Oracle says no to Itanium: Embarrassment for Intel, big problem for HP
    I am not an expert on performance figures or market shares, but I have seen situations when similar databases run much faster on Sparc. However, the processor was not the only variable so that is not a definitive datapoint.
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    Lysergicum Diethylamide
    2nd Apr
  • RE: Oracle says no to Itanium: Embarrassment for Intel, big problem for HP
    Well as a customer I would be motivated to get off itainum and oracle @ the time, Hello Linux/AIX DB2
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    mrlinux
    24th Mar
  • RE: Oracle says no to Itanium: Embarrassment for Intel, big problem for HP
    To my mind Oracle is just reacting to a general trend.
    We have been running Oracle database and application servers on HP/UX for over ten years. In the recent years it has become obvious that the platform is falling behind. The price tag is unjustifiable in the light of what Linux on x86 is able to deliver today. We ourselves have also begun leaving the platform and moving to Linux two years ago.
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    cww70
    24th Mar
  • Did Oracle just resurrect Ingres?
    As a practical matter, those running large HP-UX shops need to start planning a migration to PostgreSQL/EnterpriseDB ASAP; the RDBMS provides extensive Oracle compatibility features, including implementations of OCI and PL/SQL. If EnterpriseDB doesn't have a current port to Itanium, they're going to have one very soon, even without (though more likely with) strong encouragement from HP.

    If you're running AIX, I'd offer the same advice (though you might also be inclined to investigate DB2 migration), since POWER could be next. And if you're using any Linux distro but Oracle's, well, don't feel too secure. Given this precipitate move to kill support for a major server competitor and its laughable justification, Oracle is proving to be a very bad actor intent on forcing us to migrate to their Sun hardware. Sorry the HP-UX guys had to take the first arrow in the back, but the rest of us had better take heed - it's time to jump off this merry-go-round before we're thrown off.
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    oracleif
    26th Mar
  • RE: Oracle says no to Itanium: Embarrassment for Intel, big problem for HP
    Can you spell ?virtualization?? VMWare, the gorilla on the street does not and will not support the Itanium platform. Microsoft Hyper-V is strictly AMD64 or Intel x86 64bit. Cloud computing is virtualization on steroids. So where does that leave the Itanium processor, originally set out to be the RISC killer? Today?s non-Itanium processors are as good if not better than the current batch of Itanium chip sets (and they are cheaper). The benefits of a virtualized environment and the capabilities of today?s x86/AMD processors have forced many to abandon proprietary platforms that need to be ?upgraded? every three to five years.
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    richgoddu
    30th Mar

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