We don’t need more video game laws, we just need common sense

By | July 6, 2011, 4:39am PDT

Summary: A new poll says Americans want laws regulating violent video game sales, contradicting a recent Supreme Court ruling. We don’t need more laws. We just need more common sense.

It’s plain to see that some parents - many, in fact - aren’t doing their job when it comes to keeping violent video games away from their children. But is it time for laws to do it instead?

Last week, in a landmark ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court said no. In a 7-2 ruling, the court overturned a 2005 California law that would have fined retailers convicted of selling violent video games to minors. In its ruling, the court said that violent video games are subject to the same First Amendment protections as other possibly violent art forms, like art, books or plays.

The law was sponsored by a San Francisco state senator named Leland Yee. Among his credentials is a PhD in child psychology, and Yee is convinced that violent video games can trigger violent activity in kids. Some of the testimony presented to the court underscored that belief, but it was largely discounted in the court’s ruling; in writing their opinion, the prevailing justices felt that the science was far from conclusive.

The Supreme Court justices are right - for every study that tries to establish a link between playing violent video games and exhibiting violent behavior, there seems to be another study that contradicts it. We are far from understanding exactly how the mind works. It’s easier to err on the side of caution, especially when we come to children, but it’s much harder to enter that into evidence in a court of law as irrefutable fact.

Yee says that he’ll continue the fight once he’s had a chance to study the court’s ruling, perhaps introducing a new law that will ultimately pass Constitutional muster. Yee’s also in the midst of a mayoral run for San Francisco, so we’ll see how soon that happens.

A new study from Rasmussen Reports shows that a solid majority of respondents think that it’s okay for states to restrict violent video game sales to minors  - 67 percent. But an even larger majority feel that parents are more responsible than the government for limiting how violent images are shown to kids.

History is squarely not on the side of legislators when it come to regulating violent video game content to children. While the Supreme Court decision is the latest and highest-profile example of a video game law being overturned, it’s not the first time states have tried to do so. Each and every time, the laws have been overturned by the time they get to the federal level. The federal judiciary takes a very strong view favoring the First Amendment in these cases.

That’s obviously not going to stop well-meaning politicians from trying to pass laws, of course. “Think of the children” is easy. It makes for great headlines, and once a state legislature passes a bill and the governor signs it into law, they’ve done their job. If it dies in court, well, the politicians can wash their hands of it. Activist judges in the pocket of corporate America. Et cetera.

In fairness, I don’t know anyone who advocates for little kids to play excessively violent video games. In the same way, I don’t now anyone who advocates for little kids to watch torture movies like Saw or Hostel. That’s grown-up entertainment. Or “entertainment,” depending on your taste.

But it never fails to interest me that parents are often much more passive about letting their kids play violent video games than they are about watching violent movies or TV shows.

For a number of years, I’ve been invited to speak at the career day held at my kids’ elementary school. I explain that I’m a writer, and that my job has to do with video games. That, predictably, gets their attention. And every year, I’m disappointed with the number of kids who raise their hands when I ask them if they’re allowed to play violent video games. Little ones, in third or fourth grade, routinely regale me with intricate, graphic stories about things they’ve done in games that are rated M for Mature - that is, games that are explicitly labeled (and marketed) for adults.

The reasons for the kids’ exposure to violent video games are varied, but they usually boil down to a few basic themes:

1) An older brother or sister plays the games, and the parents don’t mind the younger ones doing it. After all, it keeps them busy.

2) The parents - often the dad - play those games and don’t mind letting the kids play.

3) The parents have purchased the game specifically for the kid, and have no idea of what’s really in it. Many times the kid has the game system in their own room or in a special kid’s play room, so the parent doesn’t supervise what they’re playing.

Any way you slice it, there’s a big double-standard when it comes to kids and violent content in video games.

But to turn full-circle to my original question - is it time to pass a law?

In short, no. Why?

Because you can’t legislate common sense.

Laws aren’t going to change human nature. Parents are going to continue to use video game systems as babysitters and entertainment devices for their kids, because they work. And violent video games are going to continue to be created because they sell.

The best I think we can hope for is to continue to educate parents about the rating systems used to label content in video games. Here in the US, that’s the Entertainment Software Ratings Board (ESRB) system, which works a bit like the one that motion pictures use. Europe uses the Pan European Game Information (PEGI) system, which accomplishes the same thing.

And we can continue to patronize retailers who voluntarily check IDs for potentially under age buyers. (In my town, my local GameStop does a pretty good job of policing its customers to make sure they’re of the appropriate age to buy the games they want. Your mileage may vary, of course.)

But leaving it up to the courts or to the politicians is a big mistake.

We don’t need more laws. We just need more common sense.

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A long-time veteran of the Apple news business, Peter has also spent more than fifteen years covering games and the game industry. A self-proclaimed Alpha Nerd, Peter also professes a love for anime, sci-fi cons, gadgets of all kinds and various geek subcultures.

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RE: We don't need more video game laws, we just need common sense
FAULKNE 13th Oct
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Great article so far (only read half of it at this point).

But put yourself behind the counter of your local Gamestop. You see a boy no more then 10 years old come to the counter asking to buy, oh let's say the newest "God of War" game, only because I know there is harsh language, lots of gore, and nudity. You don't see his parents anywhere. Are you really going to sell him that game?
@Bates_ No, because Gamestop already requires age identification to sell M rated games...ya know, like the movie theaters. Not to mention, if a 10 year old is at gamestop, SOMEBODY brought him there. And gave him money.
@Aerowind Not all Gamestops check ID, there is a local one by me who doesn't, and just because someone brought him there and gave him money (it could be his own money), doesn't mean that someone is with him in the store.
@Bates_ Gamestop won't sell an "M" rated product to minors. Plain and simple.
@betelgeuse68

Right, just like nobody will sell alcohol, or cigarettes to people who are underage. Oh, I am sorry, they do, just recently a local convenience store lost their alcohol license after getting caught selling alcohol to a minor.

When you pay minimum wage, and have hundreds or thousands of locations it is very easy to believe that there is some stores out there with employees that are lazy, or just don't care enough to follow the policies.
While I sort of agree with you, I sort of don't. If a retailer sells a product intended for an adult to a child, is that right? Is it irresponsible? Perhaps even criminally?

Consider the following items that are intended for adults, and if you should indeed allow a child to buy them from you:

1) Medication
2) A firearm
3) A Film intended for a mature audience
4) Alcoholic Beverages

Do you think a retailer should be held responsible for selling such items to someone clearly too young?

Now is it really unreasonable to add video games to the list?

Now I know, children will still get access to video games not intended for them - for all the reasons you state. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't TRY and stop them.

I fear that if we don't stop children having access to these titles then the next move will to stop them being made. I for one don't want that. I enjoy them and, sadly, I won't see 21 again.
@jeremychappell

3 out of the for listed aren't similar to a game . . . As has been stated, we are infants in our understanding of the universe let alone the most complex thing known to man. Honestly, kids will see more violence from news media than any other form of "entertainment".
@mgaul
OK, when exactly has any news program shown a women (very graphically) being torn in half?
@Hemlock Stones

Violence is violence, It really doesn't matter how it is portrayed. Difference is one is real.
@Hemlock Stones The only time i'm aware of it happening was on the Daily Show, when Jon Stewart was editorializing about the Supreme Court ruling.

But to the point at hand, that is from a game that's clearly labeled M for Mature and rated for its content. It's not *meant* for kids, it's not *marketed* to kids.

You can argue - and I would, in point of fact, agree - that people who let their kids play such games are being neglectful, but that's a very different argument from saying that the sale of such games should be regulated by the government.

- Peter
@mgaul
You're ignoring the fact the freedom of speech has been challenged and shot down when it comes to protecting minors. You are seriously 'infant' in your understanding of what is what where graphic violence is concerned and what should be considered 'suitable'. Courts have long considered what a prudent man would do as a guide where none existed and there is no way you can convince me that a prudent man would allow this to be handed over to a minor.
As far as all the 'my local Gamestop' arguments go, breaking the law is breaking the law. Just because your local clerk would sell cigarettes and beer to a kid doesn't make it right.
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How far we have fallen
rock06r 6th Jul
@mgaul & all my fellow zdnet Geeks:

Think about this for a second - I mean, I'm not *that* old, but still - but 30 years ago, it wouldn't have been an argument to hold a retailer's feet to the fire because a kids parents let them drink, let them watch dirty movies, and let them shoot guns in the backyard!!! Fast forward to now, and here we are -- I can get "medicinal" weed to help my whooping cough but I can't buy lawndarts 'cause someone's kids didn't know not to run under the darn things when someone's tossing them around....!?

We're too quick to judge the retailers and blame them every time someone else failed to make a "common sense" decision, as if somehow a couple of dollar bills being exchanged are going to make a transaction into some kind of exercise in business ethics and societal morals. And all of this cascades and cascades and keeps on cascading every day. Here in NY, for example, bars can't serve drunks anymore. Can you tell me anyone that isn't drunk after drinking? Heck, they're probably working on banning serving fat people food in restaurants in the city as we speak. This all evolves (nay, *devolves*) into our everyday sense of entitlement. We are all *entitled* to be dumb and stupid, most of all. Everything else is just fluff.
@rock06r You're damn right.
@flargh - "It's not *meant* for kids, it's not *marketed* to kids". I'd have to disagree to both points. I feel that, even with the rating, and to some extent because of it, M rated games are intended and marketed towards kids, if you count people under 18 as kids.
@mgaul What you need are sensible and responsible parents and I guess the politicians and courts defer to these responsible parents. What is wrong with that premise is that the numbers of responsible parents has declined to a point where the politicians and courts must pick up those responsibilities. Smarten up or stand down.
@jeremychappell "A film intended for a mature audience" is where your argument breaks down. The MPAA rating system is a purely voluntary industry system - even at retail stores. There are no laws saying that kids can't walk into a theater or even buy an R-rated movie; the system which is supposed to prevent kids from doing that is industry-run.

One of the findings of the federal appeals court judge who ruled against this California law was that if there is an effective voluntary system already in place, it must be used. And indeed it is, in this case, it's the ESRB ratings system.

The bottom line is that legally, we differentiate pornography from violence. Pornography *is* regulated to the point where its sale to children is illegal. Violence is a much stickier wicket. As Justice Scalia pointed out in his ruling, where do you draw the line? By some measure, Grimm's Fairy Tales are violent, but that's definitely kid lit, right?

There aren't any pat, easy answers on the litigation front, which is another reason I'm firmly against legislation being the answer here.

- Peter
@flargh
Have to agree.
By definition "Harry Potter" is in the PG13 to R range.
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Anyone who thinks that just because a law says something, that thing will be obeyed, is being naive.
How many of us bought beer or cigarettes before they were old enough to do so? I'm not saying it is right, only that it has, does, and will happen.

What we need is more common sense IN ALL AREAS OF LIFE. Compensation culture and idiotic cases brought to court are crippling the western world, and we've no-one to blame but ourselves.
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Absolutely!
sissy sue 6th Jul
@gjm123
The more laws you have, the more lawbreakers you have. That is why the western world is crippled with litigation: the western world has turned its back on freedom and has given government the go-ahead to make rules for every aspect of personal life.

Every time a legislator says that voting against or for a proposal would "send the wrong message," I want to tell him that no one really gives a da*n about his message. If people want to do something badly enough, they usually do it, whether a legislator has "blessed" it or not.

Common sense and parental responsibility: what great concepts!
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Unfortunately, "Do it for the children" normally causes people to stop thinking and just go with whatever has been proposed, right or wrong. The particular phrase should instead put everyone on alert that there's a man behind the curtain, he's not a nice person, and he's about to pull a con job on you.
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They certainly are NOT nice...
Tholian_53 6th Jul
@Dr_Zinj
What "curtain"? These politicians work right out in plain sight and we can probably trust our "children" more than we can them.
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Excellent post!
sissy sue Updated - 6th Jul
@Dr_Zinj
The reason why do-gooders use "Do it for the children" is because of the knee-jerk reaction it provokes among people who would otherwise think. The do-gooders aren't "doing it for the children"; they are pushing an agenda to force everyone to live the way they think they should live. In a free society, people persuade others to change their behavior; in an unfree society, people appeal to government to force others to change their behavior.
@sissy sue
Gives them something to wave around come re-election time..... sad
@sissy sue - an idiot in Tulsa has started a petition to make it a felony to *fail* to report a missing child before 24 hours passes. It's very popular among the idiot crowd. It presumes that children belong to the state rather than to their parents. It suggests that children are merely on loan to their parents, subject to state authority.
It won't accomplish anything good, except set this precedent for gov't usurpation of parental authority.
Totally in agreement. Too bad we live in a society where parents just want to not tell their kids no... We don't need the state to tell your kid no violent games. You should do that for yourself. All of these bans boil down to a lack of parents' responsibility for their own kid.
@snoop0x7b I don't agree with you. The problem isn't necessarily a lack of parental responsibility. I think that fundamentally, most parents apply a different standard to video games than they do to, say, movies, magazines or TV shows.

Part of it, at least in some cases, is an ignorance of the ratings system used to differentiate content in these games. And part of it is also just a cultural disconnect. They may fail to understand just how graphic and gory some of these games are.

Either way, I remain convinced that if we, collectively, did a better job of educating parents about the ESRB and PEGI systems, that they would do a better job of not letting these games get into the hands of younger players.

- Peter
@flargh
Agree. Especially true when the lines between mature and not continually blur.
Mature today, not quite next year.....
@snoop0x7b - bear in mind, we've created a society in which it is discouraged to tell your kids no, and especially to enforce it. You could end up losing your kids or even in jail if you attempt to discipline them.
The Court's ongoing referral to the 1st Ammendment "rights" to make their decisions also continues to "forget" that no one is legally allowed to callously yell "FIRE" in a theater. We should also question the rather artificial distinction between pornography and violence. Yes, they are different categories...of socially (personally?) improper (impolite, rude?) fantasizing, but the one too frequently precedes the other. If not laws, then certainly, education is still needed--at all levels!
@dlmohn
Wrong example.
There someone is doing it with intent to commit implied harm.
With the ratings, not so.
@dlmohn - actually, yes, you are allowed to shout "FIRE!" in a theater. Holmes, in explaining his idiotic support of the despotic Wilson administration, claimed that one didn't have the right to shout "FIRE" in a *crowded* theater... when there was no fire.

The Constitution, however, has no such exception. That you have the right to shout "FIRE!" in a crowded theater that is not on fire doesn't mean you can't be sued for damages afterward, or charged with murder if someone dies as a result. The reason is, and the flaw in Holmes' argument, is that you may shout "FIRE" in a crowded, non-burning theater, and the other patrons may simply yell back, "SHUT UP! DOWN IN FRONT! WE'RE TRYING TO WATCH THE MOVIE!" And no one is harmed. What is the point in restricting your fundamental, God-given, 1st Amendment protect right, if it causes no harm?

The implied converse of Holmes' flawed reasoning is that, if there *is* a fire in a crowded theater, and you fail to shout fire, you are then guilty of the same "crime".
Personally, if I'm in a crowded theater, and I see a fire, first I'm going to get me and mine out of the theater, and then call 9/11 from the lobby or sidewalk.
sorry, when I edited my first message, it told me the message had been reported as spam... wtf?
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Huih?
Mr_Wizard 6th Jul
And just where on planet Earth is common sense to be found?
Greed always rules over common sense.
I see, your position is we don't need laws to keep violent gore laden video games out of the hands of children, and then you admit that you are involved with video games, and suddenly it becomes clear why you take that position. Sort of like the fox in the henhouse thing, Hmmm sounds like a good video game theme!!!
@jim_d@... Yeah, I'm against the legislation, not the act of keeping violent video games away from kids. Reading comprehension is hard, isn't it?

- Peter
LOL common sense your kidding right now THAT is funny.
Somebody please tell the city of San Francisco that you can't legislate common sense. They've passed laws that don't allow the sale of Happy Meals or goldfish inside city limits because of what MIGHT happen.
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Proves a point
sissy sue 6th Jul
@I12BPhil

The woman who spearheaded that legislation banning Happy Meals said that she was doing it "for our own good."
@sissy sue
PLease, will someone save us from those who want to save us from ....

Sounds like a religious crusade......

shocked
If it were as easy to come by common sense as it is to legislate, we wouldn't need most laws. For example, why are people driving gas guzzler cars at 75 mph with gasoline at $4+ a gallon? Doesn't common sense dictate otherwise?

Now everbody can go back to their VLSC entertainment. happy
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What do y'all mean by
Tfixer Updated - 6th Jul
Whose definition of "common sense" are we going to use? My definition and your definition or the next person's definition are almost certainly not going to be the same and the differences will vary from minor to huge! So, what's a mother to do? Not that I am advocating a law here, but theoretically laws are crafted by intelligent people after considered discussion, exchanges of ideas, modification of positions after considering other points of view, and eventually settling on on the least intrusive regulation to solve the problem.
So, how well is that working for us (and what planet have I been living on to have such a rosy view)?
The common sense argument seems to me like a good one until I test it with an extreme example: we should let common sense rule on our streets and void all speed laws. Uh, well, no, I don't think so. And I think it is just common sense to believe that there should not be a law regulating everything.
So . . . what? We'll just have to keep muddling through and hope that having discussions such as the ones on this thread will help us all make better decisions.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!
Tom Hargreaves
The responsibility lies with parents. We don't need a law we just need parents to be less lazy and more involved in what their children do. A momentary glance on the box will reveal all the pertinent, need to know information on whether this is a game a child should play. The ratings are right there but, you would be surprised how many parents just ignore them.

I remember last Christmas I was browsing the game sale at a local Gamestop. This woman walks up to me with a copy of Grand Theft Auto in one hand and Call of Duty in the other and asked me if either of those was appropriate for her 8 year old son. It took everything I had not to launch into a tirade about reading labels and the rating system. Instead I calmly told her that neither game was appropriate and showed her where to locate the rating system at. As I was leaving I noticed she was still walking out with Grand Theft Auto. If this woman was just one amongst a sea of responsible parents I wouldn't worry but, I see this same scene being repeated time and time again.

The industry has already done enough to regulate sales to minors. They put the ratings system in place for crying out loud and it is usually spot on. If anything we need a law that requires certain IQ and literacy minimums to be a parent.
The problem with this insanity is the black/white thinking of the same people who claim the world isn't black and white.

Violence is not bad.
Violence, is not good.

Whether violence is good or bad depends on the *context* of the violence. Beating an old woman to get her SS check is not the same as beating a mugger to keep him from beating the old woman.

Unlike sex, which has no appropriate context for video games (it serves no purpose), violence can be good or bad based upon the context. I remember the feeling I had at the end of Diablo II. It was a violent game, but I was battling demons and the devil himself. By the end of the game, I felt like the right hand of God come to smite the wicked.

There are other games that have "good" violence, and they should be promoted.

To quote George Will, "Hitler used tanks to conquer France, we used tanks to liberate France. NOT the same thing."

The purpose behind trying to regulate violence in video games is NOT "for the chillllldren".... it's to set the precedence for regulating video games.

If it's allowed to stand, if someday a developer wants to write an economic simulation in which low taxes and loose gov't regulation lead to prosperity, they may have their game blocked by a government censor. At least for kids.
@hiraghm@...

You lost me at

Unlike sex, which has no appropriate context for video games

Video games are an mis understood medium. You can play a game that is like a book in a lot of ways, then in a sense you are saying Sex have no place in books? Do they have no place in movies? Take the movie Pretty Woman (First one that came to mind) Would it have been an even slightly interesting movie without sex or IMPLICATION of sexual tension and what not? NO. Actions rise emotions and convey things that words cannot. Sex is one of them.

Take "Mass Effect" which is just recently beat... I know I am late to the scene but yea... ANYWAYS. The sex scene in that is no different than a movie. There is very little skin, no sounds what so ever and lasts 15 seconds. WHY did it cause such a ruckus saying it was a sex simulator? I FELT something called emotion from that scene were I PLAYED the character and felt like him choose my decisions like I was him and now got a deeper connection into his being. This is why it is inappropriate for children though, cause they don't understand sex yet. Not because them watching sex will cause them to go on a bloody rampage through a super market...

BUT that's the problem, even some gamers think sex has no place in games due to the Christian principles this country was found upon. It causes people to view sex as inappropriate and dirty. Given proper context anything can be dirty and something I don't really wanna see. So I still can't see whats SO WRONG with it?

To sum it all up though, I don't want sex and violence removed from video games. Which is what this precedence will lead to, everyone knows that's why they are trying to pass the bill so they can regulate and RUIN my favorite past time. Because of games such as "Mass Effect" It will ruin MY enjoyment cause some parents don't wanna ACTUALLY watch their children and hop in their room and AT LEAST go hey so whatcha playing? Whats the story? Ohh can I try this part? Nah I am good.
Fully agree with you on all points. Lazy parenting has got to be the primary reason young children are exposed to games too violent to be appropriate for their age.

The natural fear of violent games is that it might make the child violent in real life. Again, poor parenting is the real cause of child violence, not the video games.
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You mean...
John L. Ries 6th Jul
...there are criteria for deciding which businesses to patronize other than the price and quality of the merchandise? You mean that there's more to business ethics than maximizing the return on the (usually absentee) owners' investments and minimal compliance with the law?

Amazing!
I have seen both sides of this war and I'd like to make some strong points about violent video games.

1) I have been playing violent video games for some time. I'm in my middle twenties and I have yet to act out some kind of violent act.

2) To regulate violent video games would cause a chain reaction to the gamming industry. Companies put video games out to the market to make money off of them as a business and college type courses offer the skills needed to become a video game designer, programmer or animator. To restrict violent video games, should people not take college courses on video game design to begin with?

3) If we put every video game company out of business, the unemployment rate would go through the roof, as if 9% isn't bad enough already. What would everyone do for work?

4) People have been doing crimes since the dawn of man and violent video games have not played a role in those crimes. Two examples, 1) The well known Lizzie Borden case. Now Lizzie didn't play a violent video game to learn how to kill her mom and dad. She took it upon herself to kill her mom and dad. Nothing to stop her. No one to convince here otherwise. She did the crime. 2) From Hell, the movie with Johnny Depp. His character was trying to get Jack the Ripper. This person was killing people, but wasn't learning the skills from a violent video game. He just did the killing and was never caught. So how can we blame violent video games for things, when violent video games are not the problem.

5) Believe it or not, using a violent video game is a stress reliever. If you've had a bad day, playing a violent video game is often a good way to relive stress. Certainly a lot more better then killing someone in real life and going to jail for it.

6) The rattings from the ESRB board are not always right and not everyone will always agree with the content, but so what if there is bad language, gore or whatnot. Movies share the same drawback. Do we need to regulate movies as well?

7) People, including myself, are more concerned about what the video game industry has to offer. Gamers, like myself, what to know what a company has to offer. We applad when new things come out. We get to experience what will be available at a later date. Watch an e3 press conference and you'll see what I mean.

8) If you don't like violent video games or video games in general, don't buy them. If you don't want your child to play video games, don't have kids, don't buy video games or both. There are people that do game whether or not you know it, realize it, or are even aware of it.
The problem is, that in our culture, this country, "common sense" is no longer common.

In most cases, simply enforcing the laws that already exist will suffice. We are supposed to be free to choose in this country, but each new law reduces our freedom that much more. It is interesting to note that the depravity of a culture is directly proportional to the size of its legal code.
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