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Google driverless car causes five-car crash

By | August 8, 2011, 9:45pm PDT

Summary: A Google driverless Toyota Prius allegedly caused a five-car collision - but is the search giant to blame?

It seems that one of Google’s self-driving cars caused a five-car crash right near the search giant’s Mountain View Googleplex headquarters. Is it going to be a roadblock for the Google driverless car program?

Let’s be clear: we now know that there was a human behind the wheel of the Google-customized Toyota Prius which allegedly instigated in the incident - at least, that’s what Google’s claiming. Originally, car blog Jalopnik, which broke the story when a tipster came forward with photos, wasn’t sure who was driving when the accident occurred.

And without access to an official accident report, we may never know for sure - and Google’s not going to be releasing that anytime soon.

But NBC San Francisco followed up and got a witness report:

Google’s Prius struck another Prius, which then struck her Honda Accord that her brother was driving. That Accord then struck another Honda Accord, and the second Accord hit a separate, non-Google-owned Prius.

Meanwhile, Business Insider got an official response from Google:

“Safety is our top priority. One of our goals is to prevent fender-benders like this one, which occurred while a person was manually driving the car.”

If a person was driving the car, then this is a non-issue. And again, without any kind of official documentation, we don’t know if Google’s being straight with us on this one. But one of the things that opened the way for Nevada to begin the process of licensing Google’s driverless cars was the fact that they had an impeccable safety record - even with 140,000 miles driven in testing.

And this incident raises other interesting questions, regardless of whether it was Google or a human at the wheel: if a driverless car gets into an accident, is it considered negligence on the part of the person in the front seat? After all, you can’t give a computer a court summons, and having the car drive itself is a pretty solid impetus for taking your eyes off the road.


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RE: Google driverless car causes five-car crash
iamyouareme 16th Feb
The Google Driverless Car is a revolution. And here you are discussing semantics. Jesus. Now, The Google Driverless Car can solve congestion on the roads as everyone doesn't have to OWN a car anymore, but can rather subscribe on the GDC and order one when they need it.

The question of 'who is to blame' for an accident when the machine drives, is the core here. This leaves us to the flaw of the current socio economic system with ownership. Picture a different system without ownership, but with 'usership' instead. No money, no ownership, instead highly developed technology, sharing and access to what you need. If there's an accident with a machine in that system, we will simply learn from it and improve the machine. If anyone was hurt, that person will be treated, free of charge.

This system is called a resource based economy and can be read about here: http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/
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Wow!! Pathetic!!!
wackoae 8th Aug
So we have one of two thing:
1- Google's experiment is a failure (this is the 2nd accident in a week).
2- Google is being FAKING the test by having a driver at the control all the time.

Either way, it is not good. Wost part is that Google's pathetic denials are actually making the situation worst. So now we are supposed to believe that somehow the "human" (that isn't supposed to be inside of the car) is purposely causing the accident, not once but twice in a week .....

It would had being better if they just said something like the software, still under development, did not react fast enough to an aggressive move by another vehicle and that they are working on fixing the problem? Then saying that errors during test phase are common and that they make the final product better .....

But instead, lets blame it on the invisible men or gremlins ....
@wackoae The law states that the car must be occupied by a human being at the wheel. Why is it all of a sudden impossible for a human to crash a car? Because it's googles autodrive? Wait for the report to come out then troll. Get your facts right before writing up a whole heap of crap.
@wackoae What's this about a 2nd accident in a week?
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@skippe93 He read an article about the same incident on two different sites. Therefore, it has crashed twice in a week.
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Translation?
grayforge 9th Aug
Can someone please translate this comment to proper English?
@wackoae: Google has stated the whole time that during all the tests, there were people physically behind the wheel. That doesn't mean they were operating the vehicle at the time. If this was close to there headquarters, I wouldn't be shocked that a person was driving it as they probably were taking it into position to start a test.
@multiplem
There are people from all over the world reading these blogs. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I suspect he writes English better than you do his native language. Perhaps any language.
@wackoae "Google is being FAKING" "Worst part is" "making the situation worst." "It would had being better"

Excellent rebuttal my good man, you may take your seat in the front of the short bus on your way back to 5th grade.
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Intellect of a reader
tom@... 9th Aug
@ktell ... FIFTH grade? IMO you were too knid to it.
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@ktell You're giving wackoae credit for more abilities than he showed. I have twin boys going into 5th grade this fall. They don't make the mistakes he did! I don't think many 5th graders do. He's most likely an "all tech, only tech" animal, and can't bother with English.
@wackoae ... You certanly have a selective readng ablity.
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Pathetic indeed. But NOT on Google's part.
Pete "athynz" Athens 9th Aug
@wackoae

So we have one of two thing: You mean "one of two things: Either" right?
1- Google's experiment is a failure (this is the 2nd accident in a week).

Nope, just the one. And the next word you were looking for is "or" to go with the "either/or" usage.

2- Google is being FAKING the test by having a driver at the control all the time.


You man Google is "FAKING" not "being FAKING" right?

Dude, usually you post some lucid and somewhat credible arguments but this is just straight out FUD and a poor attempt at that. Come on man, get it together!
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Peter_Cao Updated - 10th Aug
@Peter_Cao Please seek professional help. I know it's sometimes hard to keep taking the antipsychotics, but for the sake of everyone, please try.
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@Onaka, @QuiMoi, @omb00900@...

Blaming me for having psycho problem is one old trick those criminals I mentioned to escape from facing the facts and escape from answering to those sound and clear accusations. There are real names, dates, photos, details of events in my posters, along with a police case number. If those who was accused dare not deny it, what's your question then?

Were your mind still made of human being's, you'd have gone and crashed those criminals, because those crimes had endangered human lives. The criminals had killed the innocent to resolve their problem; if they are not concurred, that innocent could be you in the future. Your blaming of a powerless victim as I am really make me psychologically sick.
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@Peter_Cao If you are in fact a real person then I apologize for this comment. I must say however that your writing style is very similar to what I believe the first attempts of a sophisticated program attempting to use current events to create a commentary would be. You need a little tweaking.
@QuiMoi
>>I apologize for this comment.
My comments are full of facts. You'd better apologize for the happening of those crimes.
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@Peter_Cao - really, peter - before you do something you'll regret and hurt yourself or someone else. If you've been prescribed medication, you need to be taking it!
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@omb00900@...
You are not at all in earnest when you say 'really'. I've heard thousands of times of this 'prescribed meds' excuse, really cliche.

No matter what exuse those criminals use, they dare not deny any accusations. These are crimes that endangered human lives, and they are irreparable and unforgivable. They would sooner or later face the facts and be served with justice.
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These things are on our roads?

I thought we were still in the experimental stage with closed courses and such. I really don't think the tech is good enough for regular roads yet.
@CobraA1
Many drivers are not good enough for regular roads yet.
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@MoeFugger That's something people tend to forget. Some drivers are a menace to society.
@MoeFugger Doesn't mean the driverless cars are any better. Visual processing is still a difficult task for computers.
@MoeFugger
True, but a human can be summoned to court to answer for their negligence. A computer can't.
@CobraA1 Considering you can get a driver's license in some states by making 4 left turns and returning to where you started on a road with no cars, I'll take the driverless cars. Besides, given the amount of drive testing they've already done on live roads, a fender bender is nothing. Especially if the car was in "manual" mode.
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RE: Google driverless car causes five-car crash
RobertMoore12@... Updated - 9th Aug
@Aerowind A long time ago you could get a license in South Dakota by simply paying $.50. My father-in-law got his that way and he knows a BLIND man that got his, too. This isn't a joke either.
@CobraA1
How good should driverless cars have to be? Better than 80% of existing drivers? I suspect they're already there. Better than 99%? 99.999%?
@CobraA1 That's my feeling as well...the traffic light turns red and the car doesn't respond due to buffer overflow error.....CRASH!
@ShuaiJan Exactly, or what if the car gets distracted by, say, looking at porn? (you know, pictures of concept cars).
@ShuaiJan
Yeah... That or it'd notify the 'driver' of the fact that there has been an error and come to a gradual stop before switching over to forced manual control.
Or maybe error handling is something Google didn't think about when they started this project.
@ShuaiJan
Yeah... That or it'd notify the 'driver' of the fact that there has been an error and come to a gradual stop before switching over to forced manual control.
Or maybe error handling is something Google didn't think about when they started this project.
@CobraA1
So you're saying that if you give fifty average drivers the task of doing what Google's cars have done: driving over 225000 kilometers (more than the lifespan of some cars) in a city, they would perform better or equally with the zero accidents of Google's driverless cars?

Don't make me laugh.
I am I expected to believe EVERYONE in Mt View drives a Prius or an Accord? I lived near Google for years and the traffic is nuts at the interchange on 101, but a Prius hits a Prius hits an accord hits an accord...??? was this written by the Onion?
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@KwidProKwo
I was thinking the same thing.
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@NetAdmin1178
Yep, most common cars out there. Weirdddddd
@KwidProKwo

Actually, it's a Prius hits a Prius hits an Accord hits an Accord hits ANOTHER Prius. The total number of drivers is unspecified... happy
@KwidProKwo Thinking exactly the same thing. The only thing I was surprised about was that there wasn't a civic hybrid involved as well.
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@snoop0x7b And why were they driving those gas guzzling Accords?!?!? Don't they care about the planet!?!? LOL

I was thinking that there were a lot of Accords and Priuses out there.
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Driverless cars will have accidents. To say they won't is foolhardy. The question is, do they cause less accidents than human drivers? Also, I don't know if it's the same in Nevada, but down here, Google would only be responsible for the first car it hit, with the others being one of the other driver's fault for being to close to the car in front of them. Unless it was a T-bone, of course, though I doubt it considering the tone of the article.
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@Aerowind
We have the same "no fault" traffic laws in Pennsylvania as well - They're a bunch of crap.
@Aerowind People won't be able to handle driverless cars, because the first death by one will cause the whole business to be shut down, despite statistics showing the number of deaths by drivered cars. People want control and think themselves impervious. Everyone is above average in their own minds.
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This is one of the very few Google projects I'd like to see succeed. Hopefully the crash won't set them back.
"..Prius struck another Prius, which then struck her Honda Accord ... (which) then struck another Honda Accord, and the second Accord hit (another) Prius." ---This is the funniest thing I have read in a very long time. Little foreign cars all smashing into one another like some weird slapstick combination of the Three Stooges and a demolition derby!

?Safety is our top priority." --Obviously it is, because you are using beer cans and not 5-ton trucks.

Hopefully future experiments will be as interesting but without banging up the rides!
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When I am piloting a plane on autopilot, I am still in command of the plane, am monitoring the actions of the autopilot to make sure that it is behaving properly, and am responsible as pilot in command should something happen. Why would it be any different in an automobile? I would hope that "driverless" is really hyperbole, and that a human is in control of the vehicle, even if their hands aren't on the steering wheel. Is this not the case?
@gprellwitz that's my understanding. Driverless is not passengerless or empty it simply means the bulk of the actual maneuvering is being performed by something other than a human.
@gprellwitz@...

Theoretically, you are absolutely correct about the implementation. Except for the part where the law probably isn't very clear.

In Google's case, I think there are two humans in the car, one of whom is operating the computer, and driver who is ready to resume control from the autodrive if necessary.
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More Than One At Fault
MichP 9th Aug
One Prius does not have enough momentum to push three other cars around. Sounds like there were several tailgating human drivers in that line.
As far as I'm concerned, if you have to be in the front seat behind the wheel then auto-drive is just a very sophisticated cruise control. At no time is the vehicle "driverless." It is similar to having a student driver: they may be in "control" but you are always watching since you know that if there's an accident it falls on your head.
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Another Google failure
iPad-awan 9th Aug
the fuel that ran Google's driverless cars weren't electricity... it was bullcrap!
operator override of safety systems area very common cause of accidents.
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The Google Driverless Car is a revolution. And here you are discussing semantics. Jesus. Now, The Google Driverless Car can solve congestion on the roads as everyone doesn't have to OWN a car anymore, but can rather subscribe on the GDC and order one when they need it.

The question of 'who is to blame' for an accident when the machine drives, is the core here. This leaves us to the flaw of the current socio economic system with ownership. Picture a different system without ownership, but with 'usership' instead. No money, no ownership, instead highly developed technology, sharing and access to what you need. If there's an accident with a machine in that system, we will simply learn from it and improve the machine. If anyone was hurt, that person will be treated, free of charge.

This system is called a resource based economy and can be read about here: http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/

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