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Christopher Dawson

Google Places merges may be hazardous to your business

By | September 26, 2011, 3:00am PDT

Summary: An automatic merge of two Google Places listings almost killed a small Florida-based law firm.

Google Places, the local business listing service behind Google Maps, has its share of fans amongst small business owners. After all, if you’ve done your homework as far as search engine optimization (SEO), Google Places has the demonstrable power to connect potential customers with the goods and services they’re looking for.

But what happens if you wake up one day to find that Google Places automatically changed your listing, giving customers a competitor’s phone number? And worse - what if you were told that it would take up to six months for Google to fix the problem?

That’s what happened to Morris Law Firm, P.A., a St. Petersburg, Florida-based law firm with only one practicing attorney. Melinda Morris, the attorney in question, and Seth Shapiro, Morris’ husband and the firm’s operations manager, rely heavily on Google Places to drive new business.

But out of nowhere, the Place page for the firm changed to have the phone number and picture for Jason Mayberry, another attorney who recently moved into the same office building. The phone went silent. Naturally, Shapiro says he suspected foul play immediately, but upon discussion with the other law firm, it was revealed that both businesses were affected.

There was no phone number to call, and using the “Report a Problem” link Google Places provides garnered no immediate response. Some things put themselves right over the course of a few days, but the critical phone number remained incorrect.

After much research on the official help forums, Shapiro turned up the culprit: Google Places automatically merges what it figures to be duplicate listings. Multiple attorneys in one building were deemed to be the same business and combined.

The Google Places forums are full of people reporting the same issue, and many find themselves getting frustrated with the lack of support from Google. And some users reported that it took up to six months for Google to respond to their problems.

Because Google Places is a free service, there is no customer support.  No one to call.  No human being to interact with as your small business is punished because of Google’s inaccurate algorithms.  Just a silent phone to remind you that Google can very quickly and with no remorse kill your small business,” Shapiro wrote to me.

And it only takes a quick Google search to see that this kind of merging is only one of the problems that businesses face when dealing with Google Places: the New York Times recently ran a much-cited report on the service mistakenly listing businesses as “permanently closed,” though Google claims to have addressed that specific issue.

When made aware of the Morris Law Firm’s difficulties with Google Places, a Google spokesperson promised to look into it, and issued the following statement:

“The business listings in Google Maps, part of our local search offering, come from a combination of sources. We work with third-party & publicly available Yellow Page directories, and we also look for business information from our web search results. Users are able to edit and contribute business information to help keep Google Maps up-to-date, and business owners can use Google Places to verify and maintain their own listing. Google Maps is a very popular source for local data, but we recognize that with millions of listings, there will be an occasional error. We encourage users to update listings themselves if they know the correct information - more on that process here - or flag something as incorrect using our ‘Report a Problem’ button, found at the bottom right corner of the map. A business owner can use Google Places, found at www.google.com/places, to oversee the information in his/her listing.”

At the time of writing, the Morris Law Firm’s entry is still at least partially conflated with Jason Mayberry’s, and at least two user reviews are expressing confusion about which attorney it belongs to. And Shapiro indicates that the business is seriously ailing as a result, as the issue enters its second week.

This issue is especially troublesome because a business doesn’t really choose to be on Google Places - the search giant’s mission to organize all of the world’s information means that you’re on there whether you want it or not.

But if you’re not wary, your business profile can lead potential customers to a competitor, and you may never know it. The only way to be sure is constant vigilance over your Google Places page. And even then, a problem may take months to address, thanks to Google’s limited support structure for Places.

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Google Places Merges Businesses
Michael Ehline 31st Mar
It has been about a year for us, and Google continues to merge data about our law firm, with several other law firms, both at locations where we have the same address and at locations where we do not. I have heard that Google is doing this on purpose to force business owners to use Google Boost and Adwords. But anyone using those services I know, report that their competitors burn up their daily bids (and there are many ways to do this without being detected according to what I have read). I don't want to believe it is true. Our clients are now calling our competitors, thinking it is us. Anyone who says "fliers and yellow pages" clearly just doesn't understand that Google IS the ONLY game in town. Free or not, if one complies with the guidelines, gets good citations and great organic SEO, one should be able to rely upon the Google promise of good rankings. Anything else would be PURE EVIL!
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...search-engine users ascribing a level of quality to the results that they do not possess.
...and bypassing your spell-checker may be hazardous to the credibility of your websites front page.
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davebarnes 26th Sep
@Joe_Raby
Too bad there is no "like" in this commenting system.
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@davebarnes

I like that thought...
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yours too
AtlantaTerry 26th Sep
@Joe_Raby the word is "website's" as the word is a posessive.
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Bad business plan
Rexxrally 26th Sep
If a law firm relies heavily on Google Places to drive their business, they have a bigger problem than Google Places messing up their listing. Have they never heard the expression "Don't place all your eggs in one basket"? If they need business, they should be producing flyers, getting a Yellow Page listing, chasing ambulances like all the other lawyers do............;-)
@Rexxrally the point is that the business isn't necessarily relying on it, they are there anyway. It's like Yellow pages putting a competitor's phone number in your free listing.
@keithc The article said the business was "ailing" which suggest that they are over reliant of Google Places.

To me this does not sound realistic for a law firm anyway, but either this is a poorly research article or the firm is poorly run and over reliant on Google or the law firm was exaggerating the trouble they are in, to try and get the sympathy vote and to see if Google change there details quicker.
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@keithc

Yes, exactly. They never asked to be listed, and certainly do not want to be listed wrong.
@keithc ... better check your stats and reread the post! Apples and oranges.
@Rexxrally It never ceases to disturb me when apologists jump in to defend something for which there is no defense by trying to put the blame on the victim.
@darkmoonman

Not to place blame on the victim but the original poster is right... Its hard to imagine that Google Places could cause teir phones to "go silent". Of course, nobody wants a free listing if its going to give your competitors phone number and Google needs to fix it or shut it down (It's a law suit waiting to happen) but I think the problem is being dramatized a bit in the article.
@Rexxrally

AAmen! +1
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do i remember correctly that google has only a few thousand employees worldwide? if true, who is going to respond to a problem?
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@dick@... I keep this in mind all the time. Of Google's services, I only use gmail, and fortunately I have had no complaints at all. But if I do, I know there is no help desk to appeal to.
I do not see how a law firm, where cases can take weeks, months or even years to resolve, can be ailing after two weeks.

I spent six months working for one, an I was dealing with cases and receiving checks for cases that have been going on for 5 years. An that was a 3 man operation as well, two lawyers and me.
@Knowles2 It depends on the firm. What if you primarily handle living wills, incorporation, no-contest divorce, or other "quickie" legal matters. Not every legal matter is a long, drawn out court case.
You can correct most of this yourself by using mapmaker.
www.google.com/mapmaker or mapmaker.google.com
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"many find themselves getting frustrated with the lack of support from Google." As Google heads into the more "traditional IT companies" turf, this seems to be an ever increasing issue for them. Sometimes totally out of their control - like the Android phone with Google on it... if it's crap or has issues people say "Google"...not HTC. I have always said their support (or lack of it) is their Achilles heel. We have enterprise licenses here and it's painful a lot of times getting help from them....even when we are wanting to spend money. That arrogance of theirs need to come down a few pegs...
Well, if one depends 100% on the 'net for ANYTHING they are making a huge mistake and need to wise up quick!
@tom@...

Try explaining that concept to some brain dead MBA wanna-be who only sees $$$$ in his (or her) eyes. Its all about increasing shareholder value . Typical of seagull man a g l ement.
I smell a class action lawsuit.
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You get what you pay for
Gal Baras 26th Sep
For Google, Places is just an advertising platform and the listings are just the content used to decide what ads to show. In that sense, the businesses listed aren't actually Google's clients, they're freeloaders.

Having said that, the above, as well putting the marker in the wrong spot on the map, which is what happened to me, or disabling an entire account without notice or way out, which is also what happened to me, is inexcusable for a company that prides itself on the quality of its search results.

Thank you for raising this, Matt! I sincerely hope it gets Google's attention.
Needless to say, you don't have the full facts, and yet you seek to imply that the whole world is at risk from one cockup? And not necessarily Google's cockup?

Whatever happened to quality journalism; these guys can make a shock! horror! story out of breaking an egg to make an omelet.
I used to own a yoga studio. There had been an earlier yoga studio that had belonged to someone else across the road. That studio had shut down amidst allegations that it was a cult!!!! Google somehow associated that studio with mine and I suddenly got all the reviews that told of the awful stories that had gone on at the other studio before they closed. I spend 18 months trying to get hold of Google to break the association. (Yahoo had a similar association and I got them to fix it with a single 5 min phone call). After 18 months of dealing with the backlash of bad reviews from the other place, I just gave up and closed up. I had sent them numerous letters and emails and never ever got a single reply from anyone at Google.
@JSALZ Altough it's probably not what you'd prefer, you could've added a 'review' yourself there explaning that it's a completely different studio and made sure you had a homepage linked there that you also explained things at.
Or you could have moved a few streets down and maybe changed the name just a little bit.
Might be a bit inconvenient, but if it solves the problem it could be worth it.
If your business is so reliant on Google Places to exist, then you don't deserve to BE in business. Especially a lawyer!
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Businesses should stop relying on Google Places to advertise their business, there is so much competition on Google maps, that is has become so difficult to actually find a reliable business when we need. Instead of listing on Google Places, small businesses should find other advertising ways that eventually will get them more customers. Our company has a listings on mostly everywhere, including Google Places- maps, but it didn't make much difference. Until recently, when we found a new one where the approach is customer empowerment, which we actually like! It's called Amerobiz. They offer multi-feature business pages better than Google Places. The only downside to this, is that you have to pay a monthly fee in order to be able to use all their features. The free AmeroBiz pages publish only half of their premium pages.
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I guess they can create a third law firm with the correct information and links for the current two. Google will merge the three and hope that it gets it right this time.
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What Google said...
Brian J. Bartlett 27th Sep
From what the Google spokesman said, Google Places is being run as a Wiki and as we all know, what a Wiki says ain't necessarily so. Either get used to Google Places being in error or get the monitoring done by paid 'professional' site maintainers. Right now, I can't see Google paying anyone they don't have to.
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King of the mountain
Smhack219 28th Sep
As the Marketing/Web Admin for a cellular telephone company, I have first hand experience with this "free service" argument and it is pretty lame. First- Google has succeeded in becoming #1 in search and with the launch and lightspeed growth of the Android mobile operating system, they are on top right in your pocket or purse. Having achieved such a status bears with it a great deal of responsibility that Google has abrogated. My job, and the law firms, is to ensure that the best and most useful information is available in the predominate reference material that the potential customer is using. It is not that the LAW FIRM is relying heavily on Google, it is that Google has become the King of the Hill in how the consumer is connecting to the information that they need. Thus, the consumer is using a reference that the business owner can very quickly lose the ability to manage creating a nighmare for the business owner and a very frustrating experience for the potential customer. A frustration that will invariably be leveled toward the business and not Google.

In speaking with a human at Google (I just connected with them through an AdWords sales rep), I was told that there are 24 Google associates managing the Places Division. That is 24 humans reviewing the Places data for the GLOBE!
I would think that they relied upon the "automatic" information that Google used to make their "places" page and never claimed their Google places page. Google, otherwise, would have recognized that two different people owned these two different places.
I understand this complaint totally. I spend money on Google adwords, I've spent money for listings on multiple sites and I've kept my Google places ad current and up to date. When I need something, the first place that I look is the internet and do a search. I noticed that my business had also fallen OFF, and I found that Google had listed my business as "This business is permanently closed". My customers that look for me would have to jump thru hoops to find us now. I've discovered that because that is what I had to do to find us. Also, how many of my current customers have I lost due to this blunder. Those of you in business knocking this story should experience this for yourself. Those of you not in business and saying that it's the attorneys fault, you ought to keep your mouth shut because you have no clue as to the disaster this can cause others.
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Google Places Merges Businesses
Michael Ehline 31st Mar
It has been about a year for us, and Google continues to merge data about our law firm, with several other law firms, both at locations where we have the same address and at locations where we do not. I have heard that Google is doing this on purpose to force business owners to use Google Boost and Adwords. But anyone using those services I know, report that their competitors burn up their daily bids (and there are many ways to do this without being detected according to what I have read). I don't want to believe it is true. Our clients are now calling our competitors, thinking it is us. Anyone who says "fliers and yellow pages" clearly just doesn't understand that Google IS the ONLY game in town. Free or not, if one complies with the guidelines, gets good citations and great organic SEO, one should be able to rely upon the Google promise of good rankings. Anything else would be PURE EVIL!

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