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Christopher Dawson, Sam Diaz and Matt Weinberger

Google vs. China: China will be back

By | June 29, 2010, 8:45am PDT

Summary: China isn’t going anywhere. Neither is Google. If China shuts Google out now, it’s only a matter of time until they have to let them back in.

China has made it clear to Google that their current approach of redirecting users to an unfiltered Chinese language search site in Hong Kong is unacceptable, threatening to reject their license to operate as an Internet Content Provider if the practice continued. Google is pursuing some questionable workarounds (namely, letting Chinese users click through from the google.cn landing page to the unfiltered Hong Kong-based search), but as ZDNet’s Sam Diaz asked this morning,

Will that fly with Chinese officials? We’ll know soon enough - Google has resubmitted its ICP license application based on the new landing page approach. But it’s unclear whether that’s enough for Chinese officials to allow Google to continue operations there.

Perhaps I’m being overly confident (after all, I don’t own any Google stock), but I say, let ‘em go. They’ll be back. Here’s why.

The economic reforms that have swept through China in the last decade have brought extraordinary changes to the country. While the government has allowed the economically prosperous to flourish and the country to grow, as a result, into an economic superpower, the government has maintained extremely rigorous control over many basic freedoms that most Westerners take for granted. Dana Blankenhorn was blunt in his summary of the situation:

This is a very basic conflict. Can a nation take over the world economy while prohibiting all thoughts it finds uncomfortable? If this is the century of China it’s the sunset for freedom, a sunrise for corruption, and those like Steve Forbes who prefer comfort to liberty deserve neither.

While it’s hard to disagree with Dana, I take a more pragmatic approach. China needs the rest of the world. The economic disparities in the country are so vast that most Chinese citizens can’t afford the cheap Chinese goods we consume every day. In a country that has moved largely from communism to capitalism, yet retained the totalitarian practices needed to enforce communism, change is not far away. The economic changes in the country have been drastic and stunning. Social change will eventually follow, as China would stifle its own economic growth by maintaining a closed and insular society. Trade with other countries requires contact with those countries and their cultures. China’s current totalitarian practices, in my opinion, won’t be sustainable as outside influences inevitably make their way in.

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Chris Dawson is a freelance writer and consultant with years of experience in educational technology and web-based systems. In 2011, he became the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network SaaS provider.

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Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson is the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., by day and a freelance writer and educational technology consultant by night. Well, most of his colleagues at WizIQ are based in India, so really he's working with them whenever he can stay awake. He has worked for his local school district as a teacher and technology director, for the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, and for Biogen, Inc. (now Biogen-IDEC, Inc.). He has also consulted with STATNet and Cytyc Corporation and retains close ties with X2 Development Corporation (now owned by Follett Software, the supplier of the student information system he administered for several years). Follett is paying him a monthly honorarium to act as a presenter for their "SIS Voices for Student Achievement" community (he produces occasional blog posts and hosts a monthly webinar on the use of student information systems to inform data-driven instruction and school-wide change. He regularly purchases and/or recommends Dell hardware. This is because Dell makes good hardware and has truly committed itself to education in innovative ways, particularly with their "Connected Classroom" initiative. It isn't because he has dealings with the company through his role at WizIQ (which he does) or because they have provided him with long-term loans of a variety of equipment for in-depth testing (which they have). Intel (reference designer for the Classmate PCs he has implemented in his local schools) has provided him with long-term loans of Classmate PCs for testing, as have Dell and Lenovo with their educational offerings. He may report on any of these companies as his experiences with them have direct bearing on educational technology; positive reports are not necessarily an endorsement and he receives no direct financial compensation from these companies or any others. Intel paid all expenses for his attendance at the 2009 Intel Classmate PC Ecosystem Summit which he attended as the sole representative of the technology press. He was invited to attend in 2010 but his wife would have killed him if he spent 3 days in Vegas geeking out and left her home alone with a new baby. Acer provided him with a 50% discount on an Aspire One netbook in early 2009 after he tested it for 30 days through their educational seed program. He liked the netbook at the time but it has since broken and sits unused in his office. Canonical sent him Ubuntu lanyards, t-shirts, and mousepads for his kids. He stole one of the lanyards and proudly hangs his keys from it and occasionally features his 8-year old wearing an oversized Ubuntu t-shirt on his Facebook profile. Gunnar Optiks sent him a pair of computer glasses to evaluate for a holiday gift guide. He is wearing them now as he types this because they never asked for them back and they rock out loud. Seriously - they work brilliantly and make it much easier to spend 20 hours a day staring at an LCD. If they ever asked for them back, he would fork over the $99 and buy a pair. Microsoft gave him 2 free copies of Office 2010 professional, a desktop clock, and a useless book on Office 2010 when he attended the launch of Office/Sharepoint 2010. He occasionally uses the SharePoint lanyard they gave him instead of the Ubuntu lanyard for his keys, but feels dirty afterwards. Adobe provided him with a pre-release version of the CS5 Master Collection for evaluation and ultimately provided a full, licensed copy for ongoing testing of educational applications of this admittedly expensive software. Like the Gunnars, if the license expires or they come out with CS6, he'd actually go out and buy it himself. Which is saying something, because he's actually pretty cheap. Any other companies wishing to send him cool things to evaluate, wear, or otherwise adorn his kids are more than welcome to; he promises to disclose it here if he keeps any of the stuff. Finally, because WizIQ is a virtual classroom and learning network provider, Chris, as VP of Marketing, frequently interacts with, seeks out deals with, and directly or indirectly competes with a whole lot of LMS, SIS, and other Education 2.0 companies. In general, he'll limit his reporting about these companies to news that does not impact his relationship with them or with WizIQ. If he reports on them, it's because what they are doing is newsworthy or worth the attention of his readers and not because he's trying to broker some deal, damage competition, or otherwise advance his position in his day job. LMS and SIS companies, along with other online learning communities, are a pretty important part of Ed Tech. If he stops reporting on them completely, there won't be a whole lot left. He'll be sure to call out any overt conflicts of interest if they are unavoidable. Finally, Follett Software Company pays him a little tiny honorarium every month to present on their SIS Voices webinars and to write the occasional blog or discussion thread for them. Since Follett recently bought X2 (maker of an awesome web-based SIS that Chris just happened to have used, served in advisory groups for, and frequently reported on), this is probably also worth disclosing.

Biography

Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson grew up in Seattle, back in the days of pre-antitrust Microsoft, coffeeshops owned by something other than Starbucks, and really loud, inarticulate music. He escaped to the right coast in the early 90's and received a degree in Information Systems from Johns Hopkins University. While there, he began a career in health and educational information systems, with a focus on clinical trials and related statistical programming and database modeling. This focus led him to several positions at Johns Hopkins, a couple-year stint in private industry, teaching high school math and technology, and 2 years as the technology director for his local school district. Most recently, he started his own consulting business and is now the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network provider. He lives with his wife, five kids (yes, 5), 2 dogs, and a hateful cat in a small town in north-central Massachusetts. Although he is no longer teaching, his roles with WizIQ and ZDNet allow him to continue helping students and teachers add value to education with technology rather than merely adding to the bottom line.

Talkback Most Recent of 29 Talkback(s)

  • China can live without Google
    Chris, I know you will take this as heresy, but many of us survive very well without Google. There are better (far better) search engines, and Google Docs and their other cloud offerings are little more than spyware to enable their "data collection" practices. China can just say no and suffer no ill whatsoever.
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    itpro_z
    29th Jun 2010
  • RE: Google vs. China: China will be back
    @itpro_z You can bet that other non-state search engines have the same issues as Google. The state owned search engine currently has a virtual monopoly on the search market over there.

    . . . and you can bet it's collecting a lot more information about their people than Google.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    CobraA1
    29th Jun 2010
  • China can bust Google like he11
    Google committed a gigantic blunder to get out of China over some Micky Mouse nothing.
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    LBiege
    29th Jun 2010
  • Sure they can pull back, at any time.
    "The economic reforms that have swept through China in the last decade have brought extraordinary changes to the country."

    For now. Unfortunately, the fundamental form of their government essentially means they can take it back any time they want, without a second thought. Let's hope their leadership structure stays on the side of economic reforms.

    They don't need to worry about the "power of the people" (the people have no real power), they don't need to worry about tarnishing their reputations for the next election (they control their media), they can just take their reforms back with virtually no recourse.

    Not to mention we are funding most of this. We owe them most of our debt, and we're buying their goods.

    This isn't a success because a communist government is actually working - it's a success because they've figured out how to get an essentially endless amount of money from the USA.

    It's also because they are pulling back on some of the former communist principles. I dare say if they stuck to their communist guns and didn't allow anything non-state-controlled in China at all, their economy would have long since collapsed by now.

    "It?s not as if China can simply leave the West, the Internet, and worldwide telecommunications behind."

    Sure they can. Their government can do virtually anything they want without recourse, and they have the power to do so. It might not be good for them in the long run, but they certainly have the power to do so.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    CobraA1
    29th Jun 2010
  • China: a law unto itself...
    @CobraA1
    Agreed. Most people really don't "get" the Chinese - probably never will. The Chinese "survived" quite happily behind their Great Wall for many centuries before being "opened" to the "west". And while today is certainly different from even 100 year's ago, this pervasive thought in the "west" that the only way to do business is thru the all-powerful internet is plain ignorance. Places like North Korea, Iran & the host of other totalitarian regimes around the planet may not be what "we" would consider great places to live, but notice how even after all these years, they continue to exist at the expense of their own people, the modern world be damned! And for those leftist liberals who think it is only a "matter of time" before these totalitarian regimes collapse, think again: the "west" will be fully totalitarian (we're more than half way there now) well before the Persians & North Koreans see the light of freedom...

    And let's be very clear: with a huge country, massive resources, a largely uneducated (as in percentage) populace, a military which is set to eclipse the US any day now (it might have already), China deals with the world on IT'S terms, not "ours". Case in point: how soon do you think the Chinese will even begin to THINK about introducing some bogus ETS to keep the greenies happy? Answer: never. UNLESS it advantages them in some tangible, profitable way. And no, reputation does not count - they couldn't care less what "we" think about "them".
    ZDNet Gravatar
    naibeeru
    30th Jun 2010
  • It isn't Google vs China
    The sole purpose of the people who run China is self preservation. If they open the door to free exchange of information, the people in power are done and they know it. Everything else they do is simply to keep things on an even keel. They buy US debt because it keeps the RMB cheap which keeps Chinese employment up. 10% Chinese GDP growth comes at a cost of 10% degradation to their environment. The one thing for certain in China is that revolution is possible. The biggest enemy of China is China which is why they will never be a superpower. Innovation is not allowed.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    Ponosby Britt OBE
    29th Jun 2010
  • Ah, the naivete of your classic liberal
    regarding dictatorships. You see, dictators roll in the tanks when the people get uppity.
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    frgough
    29th Jun 2010
  • RE: Google vs. China: China will be back
    @frgough
    Well once again the super comment of Frgough tank or no tank army or not china is a pressure cooker ... sooner or later social pressure / the need for raw material inside the country will cause china to collapse on it self ....

    Dictator or not china have so many internal problem / high population , water and food need ectectect dont worry about china they have more problem that you can imagine
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    Quebec-french
    29th Jun 2010
  • Yeah, I heard this same story about Iran six months
    ago from the same crowd. Those supposed "voices of the people" and protesters in Iran are now in prison. Or dead.

    Maybe China will implode over time. Or maybe they'll start a war. Dictators like to do that, too, to turn attention away from their internal problems.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    frgough
    29th Jun 2010
  • RE: Google vs. China: China will be back
    @Quebec-french
    however if they need more land they can simply move in.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    JOHN_TUOHY
    30th Jun 2010
  • RE: Google vs. China: China will be back
    $$ 1 | ethics 0
    Ethics are nice until they get in the way of the shareholders greed.
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    hmcclain4
    30th Jun 2010
  • ZDNet Gravatar
    frgough
    30th Jun 2010
  • RE: Google vs. China: China will be back
    In 5 year China will not take over the auto markets. The simple answer is QC. Even the worst made US car is head and shoulders above the best Chinese car. All the Chinese can do is steal body designs and hope the buyer won't notice how crappy the rest of the car is.
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    Al_nyc
    30th Jun 2010
  • It is as always a $ things
    So sad to see a Company like Google, to bent their knees, restrict the liberty principle of the search engine for a little more money. their leaders do not deserve respect at all, another proof that the hunger for money can make anyone go against their own principle.
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    lessard15150@...
    30th Jun 2010
  • RE: Google vs. China: China will be back
    I quit Google years ago when then "did evil" by caving to the Chinese government demands. Now Google doesn't understand why they have a problem?
    ZDNet Gravatar
    mswift@...
    30th Jun 2010

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