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No more Windows at Google: Just FUD?

By | June 1, 2010, 7:44am PDT

Google usually gets its share of Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt (FUD) thrown at it. Whether it’s over privacy (not a non-issue, by the way, but Google is hardly the only company profiting from your online data), the use of the cloud with Apps, or some other form of potential world domination. However, the story in the Financial Times yesterday about dumping Windows at Google just strikes me as awfully FUDly.

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The long and the short of it is that Google is largely not using Windows operating systems internally on their PCs anymore due to “security concerns.”  Reports do point to a security hole in Internet Explorer as one of the vulnerabilities that allowed the well-publicized attacks on Google’s Chinese properties.  However, Safari and Firefox are hardly without their vulnerabilities. Chrome is solid, but hardly infallible. And as Mac marketshare continues to grow in both mobile and desktop spaces, the security by anonymity largely enjoyed by Mac users will come to an end.  The same, in fact, could be said as Android adoption explodes, for Linux-based systems.

Keep in mind that I’m a diehard Google fan.  I’m typing this in Chrome, I use Google Apps more than any other productivity tool and, in fact, more than any other website.  All of my primary computers are Linux or Mac, whether because the OS is free or provides some particular utility I need or I just plain like the look and feel of Ubuntu (or my kids like OS X).  Google tools invariably overlay just about everything.

And yet I’m actually typing this on a Windows 7-based Classmate (in a Chrome browser, of course) because it was handy to take to a conference today.

Clearly, Google knows that their backend security is far more important to protecting their enterprise customers and the privacy of their billions of consumer users.  Will getting rid of Windows on Googlers’ desktops actually make the data with which we as users, businesses, schools, and consumers entrust Google safer?  I’m inclined to doubt it.

Google has a real advantage here in that everything they do is platform-independent by design.  The web is the platform and the web doesn’t care what OS you use.  To be honest, I don’t actually see this as a loss for Windows.  At best, it’s a corporate realignment with internal tools and a commitment to “eating your own dogfood.” At worst, it’s anti-Windows FUD. It certainly sets the stage, though, for Google to make the Chome OS/browser and Android absolutely bulletproof from a secuirty standpoint if they wish for this to be a credible move.

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Chris Dawson is a freelance writer and consultant with years of experience in educational technology and web-based systems. In 2011, he became the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network SaaS provider.

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Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson is the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., by day and a freelance writer and educational technology consultant by night. Well, most of his colleagues at WizIQ are based in India, so really he's working with them whenever he can stay awake. He has worked for his local school district as a teacher and technology director, for the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, and for Biogen, Inc. (now Biogen-IDEC, Inc.). He has also consulted with STATNet and Cytyc Corporation and retains close ties with X2 Development Corporation (now owned by Follett Software, the supplier of the student information system he administered for several years). Follett is paying him a monthly honorarium to act as a presenter for their "SIS Voices for Student Achievement" community (he produces occasional blog posts and hosts a monthly webinar on the use of student information systems to inform data-driven instruction and school-wide change. He regularly purchases and/or recommends Dell hardware. This is because Dell makes good hardware and has truly committed itself to education in innovative ways, particularly with their "Connected Classroom" initiative. It isn't because he has dealings with the company through his role at WizIQ (which he does) or because they have provided him with long-term loans of a variety of equipment for in-depth testing (which they have). Intel (reference designer for the Classmate PCs he has implemented in his local schools) has provided him with long-term loans of Classmate PCs for testing, as have Dell and Lenovo with their educational offerings. He may report on any of these companies as his experiences with them have direct bearing on educational technology; positive reports are not necessarily an endorsement and he receives no direct financial compensation from these companies or any others. Intel paid all expenses for his attendance at the 2009 Intel Classmate PC Ecosystem Summit which he attended as the sole representative of the technology press. He was invited to attend in 2010 but his wife would have killed him if he spent 3 days in Vegas geeking out and left her home alone with a new baby. Acer provided him with a 50% discount on an Aspire One netbook in early 2009 after he tested it for 30 days through their educational seed program. He liked the netbook at the time but it has since broken and sits unused in his office. Canonical sent him Ubuntu lanyards, t-shirts, and mousepads for his kids. He stole one of the lanyards and proudly hangs his keys from it and occasionally features his 8-year old wearing an oversized Ubuntu t-shirt on his Facebook profile. Gunnar Optiks sent him a pair of computer glasses to evaluate for a holiday gift guide. He is wearing them now as he types this because they never asked for them back and they rock out loud. Seriously - they work brilliantly and make it much easier to spend 20 hours a day staring at an LCD. If they ever asked for them back, he would fork over the $99 and buy a pair. Microsoft gave him 2 free copies of Office 2010 professional, a desktop clock, and a useless book on Office 2010 when he attended the launch of Office/Sharepoint 2010. He occasionally uses the SharePoint lanyard they gave him instead of the Ubuntu lanyard for his keys, but feels dirty afterwards. Adobe provided him with a pre-release version of the CS5 Master Collection for evaluation and ultimately provided a full, licensed copy for ongoing testing of educational applications of this admittedly expensive software. Like the Gunnars, if the license expires or they come out with CS6, he'd actually go out and buy it himself. Which is saying something, because he's actually pretty cheap. Any other companies wishing to send him cool things to evaluate, wear, or otherwise adorn his kids are more than welcome to; he promises to disclose it here if he keeps any of the stuff. Finally, because WizIQ is a virtual classroom and learning network provider, Chris, as VP of Marketing, frequently interacts with, seeks out deals with, and directly or indirectly competes with a whole lot of LMS, SIS, and other Education 2.0 companies. In general, he'll limit his reporting about these companies to news that does not impact his relationship with them or with WizIQ. If he reports on them, it's because what they are doing is newsworthy or worth the attention of his readers and not because he's trying to broker some deal, damage competition, or otherwise advance his position in his day job. LMS and SIS companies, along with other online learning communities, are a pretty important part of Ed Tech. If he stops reporting on them completely, there won't be a whole lot left. He'll be sure to call out any overt conflicts of interest if they are unavoidable. Finally, Follett Software Company pays him a little tiny honorarium every month to present on their SIS Voices webinars and to write the occasional blog or discussion thread for them. Since Follett recently bought X2 (maker of an awesome web-based SIS that Chris just happened to have used, served in advisory groups for, and frequently reported on), this is probably also worth disclosing.

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Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson grew up in Seattle, back in the days of pre-antitrust Microsoft, coffeeshops owned by something other than Starbucks, and really loud, inarticulate music. He escaped to the right coast in the early 90's and received a degree in Information Systems from Johns Hopkins University. While there, he began a career in health and educational information systems, with a focus on clinical trials and related statistical programming and database modeling. This focus led him to several positions at Johns Hopkins, a couple-year stint in private industry, teaching high school math and technology, and 2 years as the technology director for his local school district. Most recently, he started his own consulting business and is now the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network provider. He lives with his wife, five kids (yes, 5), 2 dogs, and a hateful cat in a small town in north-central Massachusetts. Although he is no longer teaching, his roles with WizIQ and ZDNet allow him to continue helping students and teachers add value to education with technology rather than merely adding to the bottom line.
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FUD.
Bozzer 5th Jun 2010
Your post is the very definition of it.
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Windows 7 classmate? And you claim to like Linux? Paaahleease....
Windows on school computers. So, he might like Linux, but, he is also a realist.
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RE: No more Windows at Google: Just FUD?
Loverock Davidson 1st Jun 2010
By dropping Microsoft Windows Google will be left in the dust. They NEED Microsoft Windows to perform their day to day business. They also have stand alone applications based on it. Its been said (and proven wrong) that Google has the best and the brightest, why can't these big brains figure out Microsoft Windows security? It offers a much finer grain of control over security options than any other OS. What most likely happened was one guy in one department at Google was spouting out for just his department and not all of Google. Hopefully this guy will get fired for starting rumors about the company. Then we can all laugh at him and Google.
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I don't think it's FUD, but it may be misguided
hamobu-22333136139518773481685514128812 1st Jun 2010
If you have windows and you care about security than you are better off learning how to secure your windows box than you are switching and learning new OS. I would recommend everyone who uses windows do the following

1. Do not use IE - chrome is safest right now.
2. Create a user account and do not always run with Admin privileges.
3. Anti-virus and firewall of-course
4. Be mindful of social engineering (phishing, downloading suspect software, etc).

If you follow recommendations above you may be slightly inconvenienced (ex. Not all software will work with user accounts) but you should be much safer.
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RE: No more Windows at Google: Just FUD?
Linux User 147560 1st Jun 2010
@hamobu

Since they already use Linux for their servers... I don't see the issue with moving to desktop Linux. Most people working at Google are pretty much above the average user in intelligence so... I think the learning / training issue is a red herring.

Then again, I know it's a red herring. Since a company like Google can easily set up their own version of Linux... oh wait they did that already! Nice try! devil
@Linux User 147560: while Windows is totally alien to Linux/Unix OS.
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@Linux User 147560 actually Google already said that more than half of its employees use a custom version of Ubuntu playfully called Goobuntu.
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Most of your points
Michael Alan Goff 2nd Jun 2010
2. Create a user account and do not always run with Admin privileges.
3. Anti-virus and firewall of-course
4. Be mindful of social engineering (phishing, downloading suspect software, etc).

Those aren't restricted to windows. And the first can be changed to Safari for OSX. Then again, Safari is less secure than IE right now on either OS.
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Why blame OS for everything?
jscott418 1st Jun 2010
I think that Google will have some real issues if a Mac or a Linux machine gets hacked. Then what Google? Seems to me I would ask these China employee's of Google why they were using IE and not Chrome? Or a more secure browser. Were they using IE 6 ( cringe). Sorry to say its like blaming a car for a accident and not the driver. Maybe Google needs employee's that are more cautious?
@jscott418: of course, there are always vulnerabilities, but still there is no comparison to the level of threat which WindowsOS inflicts
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RE: No more Windows at Google: Just FUD?
Cylon Centurion 1st Jun 2010
@denisrs

That threat level dropped to about the same as every other player with Vista.
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Market Share
Bozzer 5th Jun 2010
So when everyone moves over to OSX you think the hackers will remain on Windows? Now given OSX has less security measures in place as it is not battle hardened how long do you think it will be before everyone goes scuttling bank to the Windows bunker?
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RE: No more Windows at Google: Just FUD?
rebel_angel_@... 2nd Jun 2010
@jscott418 correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it IE6 running on the end-users' computers that enabled the hack?
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Why is Loverock flagged?
Bill4 1st Jun 2010
I get a chuckle out of his Talkbacks and the hate dripping responses are a riot!
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@Bill4 Because he is not spewing the correct hate speech. This is pretty similar to what is politically correct to say about the current president, and there is a great deal of overlap between the two groups.
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@Bill4 I think Lovey might be being autoflagged these days. You have to go back a few years (god! at least a decade or more) to remember when Lovey dripped hatred for Windows, loved BSD and all things Linux. Eventually he hated Linux, maybe Linus piddled in his direction, then came to ignore BSD and with XP SP3 fell in love with Windows.

The tirade hasn't changed just his loves and hates and, of course, the hate dripping responders too!
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His only purpose is to disrupt. The messages are meaningless. He counts on responders to offset any sincere messaging that may be present and to take the focus away from sincere posters.
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So they dropped Windows...
fjpoblam 1st Jun 2010
Would there be so much weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth were it MacOSX or Linux that GOOG had dropped? I think not... No rest for the wicked.
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Sell stock in memory chip makers, since the lightweight thread operating systems need far less memory than Microsoft windows.
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Life would be easier if reality followed theory; however, it usually doesn't. My son is in his first year a UC school. He grew up on Windows, but now has a MacBook Pro. After 2 months at school, his observations regarding students with new PC's were as follows: the veteran Windows users were still running fine and keeping their antivirus updated, Windows patched, etc.; the newbie Windows users essentially had malware-filled bricks; and all of the MacBook users, newebie and veterans, were running virus-free -- without any special protective measures. With the school year almost over, this is still the case. What he's seen echoes what I see among those who come to me for computer advice. The only questions I ever get from Mac users are about what to buy; the Windows users typically come to me because their PC is now barely functional and needs to be redone.
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RE: No more Windows at Google: Just FUD?
RealNonZealot 2nd Jun 2010
@xencorit

Exactly: that's been my consistent experience over the past 20 years in K-12, higher-ed and corporate environments. Except the number of "veteran Windows users" that can actually keep their machines in some kind of shape is an extremely small percentage, and even they are forced to deal with WinRot by reformatting and reinstalling once in awhile.
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FUD.
Bozzer 5th Jun 2010
Your post is the very definition of it.
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How would you know?
Bozzer 5th Jun 2010
How would you know they were virus free if you didn't check? You do know that most viruses these days do not make themselves known to the user? In fact, they go out of their way not to be known to the user.

So whilst their machines may seem fine, they may in fact be infected. But of course, you haven't checked so you don't really know.

OSX is inherently less secure than Windows. Hackers are out to make money these days, funded by organised gangs. Once OSX reaches a critical mass then mark my words you're "safe house" will be shown to me nothing more than paper and will come crashing down around you especially if you don't advise them now to get AV software for their machines.

You're security advice leaves much to be desired, you remain vigilant no matter what neighbourhood you are in, don't let complacency set in due to arrogance as one day it will cost you dearly.
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It is not FUD.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 1st Jun 2010
It was leaked, they didn't announce it. FUD comes when a company shouts publicly from the rooftops facts that are commonly believed to be disingenous at best. This appears to simply be a phaseout that was planned to happen at an accelerated pace.

Now whether you like it or hate it is a different story, however, it is and must be disconcerting to the Microsoft enabled ecosystem and MS itself that Windows is no longer mandatory to accomplish what you want to do (unlike the days of old where not having IE meant a dismal web experience as an example).

TripleII
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FUD=no, strategy=probable
smiley97111 1st Jun 2010
Google has been pushing the envelope of Cloud Computing since before the Y2K fizzle folks. And Microsoft has been worried enough about the same to lock the world into their IE browser since well before that. I don't see this as a knee-jerk reaction on Google's part as much as a natural process in the overall evolution that has been their agenda since the beginning of time. The "security" part of the announcement might be FUD though. No system is completely secure and I have to agree with Chris' "security by anonymity" that I enjoyed under OS/2 is what we're leveraging today under OSX or Ubuntu. Those days are going to go way as Apple continues to eat MS market share with their iPhone and iPad.

http://my.opera.com/PMAco/blog/win-linux-mac-choice

May we live in interesting times, eh? happy

Smiley
The average person is too lazy to:

"2. Create a user account and do not always run with Admin privileges. "

Unix systems force you to do this. Either with a separate Root account or with sudo.

For the average person with no interest in computers (and who doesn't play computer games) OSX or a mainstream Linux distro is a better option.

Windows can be secured but it takes a lot of work.
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@Felix Derzhinsky

Windows runs you as average user by default with UAC, average users are much more inclined to tolerate a yes/no prompt than a password prompt. Most of them will absolutely hate linux as well, and find Mac OS X difficult to use due to lack of key software/games/blurays.
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@jamesrayg But it lets you disable UAC,which is stupid behavior.
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Another publicity stunt from Google... I wish they could focus on building real products rather instead of sniffing our wifi networks ..... which has landed Google facing privacy music in Europe and Canada... Unfortunately, in this case Google has no own to blame but their greed ...
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Typical Windows user logic. Security by obscurity is not the only reason Macs are more secure. They are fundamentally more secure because OS X is built on BSD UNIX, which is ore secure than Windows.
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No doubt whatever Google now uses instead of Windows will be immediately a more interesting hacking target. But by dropping Windows from their enterprise desktop, Google avoids... by now must be thousands of security gotchas in Microsoft's prodcucts. That's individual weaknesses, not individual viruses (which I suppose are in six figures by now). Not to mention Adobe Reader!

Chrome on Windows though... isn't that a beta edition? Should you be using it for this important work?
I am assuming that they have a test plan that they follow before putting changes out to the world. It's not Beta anymore, right?
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RE: No more Windows at Google: Just FUD?
larry-braddy@... 2nd Jun 2010
Since I dumped the Apple PC several years ago, I now have 4 Intel based PCs running Vista or Windows 7. I got tired of Apple's overpriced, propriety hardware and software and lack of timely third party support. So now that Google is walking away from Windows, does this mean that Google will not be able to do an adequate job in testing their software on Windows based machines? Considering what Apple will try to do to the Android phones, why would Google get into bed with these people?
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RE: No more Windows at Google: Just FUD?
ryanstrassburg 2nd Jun 2010
Good, this puts more distance between me and Google which makes me happy. From my some 20 years of computing I found that lacking user education and 3rd party software is the *real* security problem, the browsers are simply hosts to that issue and will always exist. My nephew contracted some crap on his home PC and actually TRIED to infect my network of 4 systems to no avail and I was promptly notified with a text message on my phone -- as punishment I formatted his flash drive which was housing some 2500 known viruses/crap attempting to hack various things from the Windows Registry to network ports and so on within my network, and trying to talk to other servers on the web. Seeming all my systems are Windows Vista/7 I would say they are quite safe, and yes they all run IE8. So what exactly is the security problem here?

With that said I question that Google has the best and the brightest, no doubt some intelligent people but apparently I have stayed safe using what they fear.
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Its probably FUD anyway. Especially as they primarily make software for WINDOWS. If their developers couldn't use windows, well that would lead to some very crappy releases on Googles part. As they wouldn't be able to properly test any of their applications.
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What?
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Loverock, you're a real hoot
schmandel@... 3rd Jun 2010
Congratulations on your performance parody of a person who believes that Microsoft Windows is somehow necessary or desirable, you say some really funny stuff.
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It was obvious from the beginning.
Joe.Smetona Updated - 5th Jun 2010
When Google had their problem, it was immediately obvious to me how it happened. It had to be through Microsoft. I've used Linux for 8 years and have never had a single problem - all without using virus protection. It's only natural that Google would dictate that Microsoft be removed. To use MS has always been placing yourself at risk.

Also, the article references security issues with FireFox and Chrome. Actually it should say "When they are used with Windows only". Firefox, Opera and Chrome when used on Linux do NOT have problems. Any application run on a faulty OS is going to succumb to the failings of the OS.

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