Oracle sues Google: Looking for a piece of the mobile pie
Summary: In what was a surprising turn of events for many in the tech community, Oracle filed a formal complaint of patent infringement against Google, demanding a jury trial and unspecified damages over the use of Java in their Android platform. So why now?
In what was a surprising turn of events for many in the tech community, Oracle filed a formal complaint of patent infringement against Google, demanding a jury trial and unspecified damages over the use of Java in their Android platform. So why now? Can they win? And what does it mean for Google and Java developers at large if they do?
It's one thing to sue small fish into oblivion. Anyone remember Psystar? They went up against Apple selling dubiously-licensed Mac clones. They don't sell Mac clones anymore. Big surprise.
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- Google needs to know: What does Oracle really want with Android?
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It's another thing when a small fish sues a big fish. Big fish tend to have deep pockets that can, to the massive financial benefit of said small fish, make a lawsuit go away very quickly. Settlements, acquisitions, and licensing deals can all prove quite lucrative for the small fish with relatively small investments by the big fish, especially if the small fish actually has the intellectual property rights it brings to a court.
In both of these scenarios, there are serious financial incentives to file IP-related lawsuits. When a big fish sues a bigger fish over intellectual property rights that aren't clearcut, there has to be a bigger picture, a corporate strategy that makes the financial and PR risks worth the potential gain. In this case, it's mobile computing which, in case you haven't noticed, is the future of both consumer and, in many ways, enterprise computing. Yeah, I'd say there's an incentive here.
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- Oracle uses James Gosling patent to attack Google and Android developers
Next: So just how big is that incentive? »
Oracle bought Sun Microsystems in January of this year, acquiring all of their intellectual property (much of it related to Java) for a mere $7.4 billion dollars. There were more than a few analysts who thought that number was mighty high for a company on the verge of collapse and whose strongest IP (including much of Java) had been open sourced. Suddenly, though, the purchase price makes sense if Oracle plans to leverage its more obscure patents against the likes of Google and, in the process, be entitled to a share of its Android-related profits.
Interestingly, as the Wall Street Journal reported,
Google was widely assumed to have rights to use Java under a licensing agreement for Java...The suit is "very perplexing," said Kim Polese, a former Sun manager..."Everyone is using Java."
Sun was often criticized by investors for making little money on Java. Oracle, on the other hand, seems determined to wring more profit from Sun's intellectual property..."Java is one of the crown jewels of the Sun acquisition," said Ray Wang, an analyst with Altimeter Group. An Oracle injunction could block developers from building applications using the Android platform and shipments of Android phones, he said.
In fact, if Google can be a target, then any number of Java developers can potentially find themselves in Oracle's crosshairs. However, I'm inclined to think that it's no coincidence that research released this week shows drastic gains in Android popularity and manifold increases in Google mobile search (the real source of revenue behind Android, which is open source). If Oracle can force a deal with Google, it suddenly has at least a business class ticket on the mobile train and can even start looking at vertical markets that include mobile technologies.
So will Oracle win? A fair number of analysts believe that there will be some sort of licensing deal that comes out of this, although the size and scope may very well not be the windfall for which Oracle is looking. If Oracle wins, though, how much does Google lose? Google executives have repeatedly hung their hats upon the future of mobile, which means Android. Mobile search, mobile platforms, and mobile content will all be cash cows for Google long term. It remains to be seen how big a chunk, if any, Oracle will take out of that cow.
We're looking at months of litigation for this to play out and neither company really stands to benefit from a quick settlement. Google, for its part, needs to demonstrate that there was no infringement to protect Android, future revenues, and, perhaps more importantly, the Java developers who make Android compelling. Oracle, on the other hand, wants more money than Google is likely to give without being ordered to do so by a jury. Oracle essentially asks for the destruction of code that leverages Java in Android, but it would be foolish to not take a major stake in future Android-related revenues instead if it can get them.
A complete copy of the complaint is here. Read it and talk back below - Do you think that Google really infringed on copyrights or is Oracle just coming late to the realization that mobile is a platform that can't be ignored, even if you're, well, Oracle?
See related coverage:
- Google needs to know: What does Oracle really want with Android?
- Microsoft could be a winner in Oracle's patent attack over Java
- Oracle vs. Google over Java: Android lawsuits may begin to pile up
- Oracle uses James Gosling patent to attack Google and Android developers
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Talkback
Oracle is just being Oracle
openoffice? there's no money there...
so, no, it doesn't ring a bell. The bell was sold to sponsor a patch. No more bell to ring. :P
if there is $0 available, don't try to go to court over it.
What about all other Linux Distros?
Not really.
Look at the patents involved. They seam to be more about specific applications used within the Android/Java framework than Java itself.
RE: Oracle sues Google: Looking for a piece of the mobile pie
First of all the Dalvik VM is Registry based an it can multi-task contrary to Java runtime environment. They aren't even calling it Java and it does not use any Sun Java bitecode. They program in Java language which is not illegal. Any decent court and jury will see right through this scam with Oracle shooting themselves in the foot multiple times and apparently the idiots running don't feel the pain yet. You can't suddenly claim something as violating a patent, when Android has been in the works since 2003 and uses it's own bytecode in it's own VM!
Oracle is run by a bunch of morons it appears! haha.... especially if they think juries are that stupid! Stupid yes..... but moronic enough to not figure out this bunch of poppycock from a bunch of greedy losers? NO!!! lol
http://developer.android.com/guide/basics/what-is-android.html
Plus the morons killed OpenSolaris, all in 1 day. How long before the end of OpenOffice.org, VirtualBox, and MySQL. Why don't they just cut their own throats while they're at it? Seriouly the morons running Oracle need to get their big fat bald heads examined. It's one helluva company that severely lacks any intelligent beings whatsoever! haha.... I'll love seeing them go down the pipe!!!
This why in a nutshell it'll be a cold day in hell when we won't see these Oracle Bozos getting kicked off the bus before it even gets rolling! :D
http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/linotype/news/110/
Google is very well prepared for this one and have been from the start over 5yrs ago when they bought Android in 2005!
RE: Oracle sues Google: Looking for a piece of the mobile pie
We can only hope so.
RE: Oracle sues Google: Looking for a piece of the mobile pie
RE: Oracle sues Google: Looking for a piece of the mobile pie
The arguement ...
The question for the courst to determine is whether or not Java is open source or proprietary. Could be interesting.
RE: Oracle sues Google: Looking for a piece of the mobile pie
...is moot.
This is similar to the "cleanroom" BIOS implementations that were done for personal computers.
And, if Oracle *doesn't* sue...
... and allows Java to be folded into GPL distros, the they might actually lose their patents.
RE: Oracle sues Google: Looking for a piece of the mobile pie
RE: Oracle sues Google: Looking for a piece of the mobile pie
I actually think it's pretty open and shut, Google are "guilty" - while I don't see the need for the lawsuit and I think it would have been better for everyone if Oracle hadn't done this, I think legally they have a point. I can see there is merit in Oracle's position - if Google jumped Dalvik out of Android and onto the desktop (and why couldn't they?) then it would be a serious threat to Java...
But this has nothing to do with Linux per se.
RE: Oracle sues Google: Looking for a piece of the mobile pie
RE: Oracle sues Google: Looking for a piece of the mobile pie
ummm....No. That doesn't work. It's the post-compilation that is the program. The developer's language, pre-compilation means nothing. There are simply too many developers languages that are far too similar in their usage to make your argument viable. It's what happens to the language after it runs through the compiler that counts. If the compiler is different, if the end result code is incompatible, it's a moot point and not actionable.
There's got to be something else in play here. Either that, or Larry's been sniffing the glue fumes from his yacht building again.
RE: Oracle sues Google: Looking for a piece of the mobile pie
But it's also quite likely that, with success here, Oracle would go after other non-Sun implementations of Java. Unless of course they've been tolerating this sort of thing for so long, the patents are judged abandoned. You can't just forget to enforce a patent for 10 years, wait for violators to stack up, then suddenly enforce it. Submarining a patent is illegal, and usually gets it invalidated.
And of course, Google isn't really selling Android, they're giving it away. Sure, they do sell some of their main apps to OEMs. So there's an intereesting Open Source element here, too... where are the damaged?
RE: Oracle sues Google: Looking for a piece of the mobile pie
You are just right - the people here make a lot of mistakes. Sun Tried for years to build a line of dialog with Google about this, with no answer. Oracle is just right about this, they have no options.
This sue has nothing related to Java development, Linux, or OpenOffice.
RE: Oracle sues Google: Looking for a piece of the mobile pie
Oracle is NOT suing Java developers