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Should RIM switch to Android?

By | August 21, 2010, 12:25am PDT

SFGate thinks that RIM should give up on their operating system, and put all their chips on Android going forward. There are some compelling reasons given for such a drastic move, but doing this would almost certainly result in disaster.

First, if RIM decided to do this, it would put their own efforts on Blackberry OS another year behind the competition if everything didn’t go to plan. Second, a Blackberry isn’t a Blackberry without the operating system — users who swear by the device would be confused, and even upset if they decided to switch everything up.

I’m not saying RIM is on the verge of turning the ship around, but newer versions of their operating system are better than the old, and things are moving in the right direction (slow, however). It may be a lost cause, but they’ve got to fight this one to the death.

Put yourself in the CEO’s chair at RIM. What would you do to turn things around?

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RE: Should RIM switch to Android?
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lucianarmasu Updated - 21st Aug 2010
They don't have to switch all phones to Android - only the consumer oriented ones. As they prove to be more and more successful, they can try to promote them to enterprises as well - and that's how RIM stays relevant in the future.

Yes they do improve their OS, but like they say "fresh and familiar" which means only their user base would want one, not necessarily everyone else. Most of the people who bought the Torch were already blackberry users, and ~60% of BB users have said that they are not going to buy another BB phone. Their userbase is declining.

RIM is exactly in the position of Nokia, in 2007. It just took longer for them to get here because they were mostly a B2B company, not a consumer company.

But it's already obvious that they are going through same steps and mistakes Nokia did. First they keep the same OS and improve on it, then they build a "new one" (RIM is already rumored to build one for the tablet so it might come to phones too), just like Nokia built Maemo for their MID's and now it's switching it to phones.

After 3 years, Nokia's profits, market share, and stock prices are still declining fast. Analysts are already recommending selling of RIM stock because they dont see a very bright future for them.

Oh, and the failed Ovistore, too. Same story with RIM. They've just improved their Appworld, but it's too late already.

RIM doesn't understand that it doesnt matter if you have a better phone, and it doesnt matter even if you have a better OS, right now. It's all about the ecosystem, and all by themselves they cant create or sustain an ecosystem as the one Apple created by being the ones to transform the industry, or Android created by allowing every other manufacturer to have an OS like iPhone's.

I've shared more thoughts on this here:
http://nextparadigms.com/2010/07/21/5-reasons-why-nokias-ceo-failed-big-time/

and here:
http://nextparadigms.com/2010/08/20/can-rim-succeed-with-a-custom-os-for-blackpad-hint-no/
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It would be very risky indeed
yozzman Updated - 21st Aug 2010
RIM is both cursed and gifted by their OS. It is not sexy enough to sway other users, but longtime BB fans (I'm one of them) only swear by it.

Were they to switch to Android, BBs would loose their primary selling point to BB fans, and yet not have anything special to compel other users to buy one rather than another Android phone.

From that perspective, I think it would be a very risky strategy indeed.
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A logical argument
Mister Spock 22nd Aug 2010
I find myself agreeing with what you have said, BBs would loose their primary selling point to BB fans, and yet not have anything special to compel other users to buy one rather than another Android phone.

A Blackberry sells becuase it is not a WM, Android, or iPhone.
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Risk?
BrentRBrian 22nd Aug 2010
Risk is doing nothing, or even worse, following Microsoft.
yozzman's response was a valid and logical argument, and nothing to do with Microsoft

Why are Blackberries selling when there are a multitude of Android phones on the market to choose from at this very momnent?

If these people wanted an Android phone, they would not be purchasing Blackberries. as for Microsoft, they took a different approach to their next Phone OS, one that may payoff for them.

Should it not do well, they have billions of dollars in profits comming into the company from various products, RIM does not.

Why should RIM risk everything on their single income stream?
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@yozzman I moved from an iPhone (personally owned) to a BB (company owned).

The phone itself is a miserable experience. Mainly, the tiny, unreadable screen, and dismal web surfing experience.

The store is a pain, I have to have PayPal to make a purchase, it is a kludge.

The value of the BB is that most corporations have chosen to trust them with corporate email.

Moving to Android solves these problems faster than RIM can by themselves. They get an app store, and a better browser.
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RE: Should RIM switch to Android?
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RIM's built in revenue Stream
MobileAdmin 21st Aug 2010
Unlike Apple / Android RIM is getting fees monthly from carriers to access their data network which does a large amount of routing / compression which helps the carriers. So while they don't have as robust "AppStore" as Apple, RIM doesn't rely so much on selling devices to drive their profit.

Frankly considering how open Android is, how insecure it is and already having issues with malware why would a company known for being the delfacto standard for security adopt one seen as presently the worst?

I'm sure like WebOS, in some lab at RIM they are working with Android to check it out weigh the strengths and cons. I just see right now due to the rapid releases it's more con.

I still feel this is a whole bunch of fanboy tech blog people who don't like the BB GUI as much as the icon based os, they find it complicated (for whatever reason) and don't value the intergration it provides.

Should RIM put out similar hardware specs - YES, People will assume that if the CPU/Memory is less the device is not as good. If the display isn't equal resolution wise etc. At some point higher specs on a PHONE will cease to matter. How much power do you really need in a communication device? What we are seeing is the growth of a new platform that is really mini-tablet / computer. RIM at the moment makes PHONES.

So if they could provide a harden Android OS that routes through the NOC, features the same security then yes it might make sense but to be that sounds like a tall order.

Do they split off and provide a "consumer line" and enterprise line? Unsure they have the capital and staff to take on the effort.

One thing about RIM is they have a very robust mobile solution that no one has equaled or surpassed in the enterprise space. Apple / Android / Nokia cannot say that.
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260,000 Androids activated a day
BrentRBrian 22nd Aug 2010
Not just fan boys ... the public in general LOVES these phones.

Android has in short time kicked Microsoft and Apple to the curb. RIM is next ... and with all the HIRING RIM is doing these days, I'd say they are seeing the handwriting on the wall and trying to do something about it.
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RE: Should RIM switch to Android?
bmonsterman 23rd Aug 2010
@BrentRBrian,

Agreed...I can't wait to trade my Storm in for an Evo.
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RE: Should RIM switch to Android?
learningrichard Updated - 23rd Aug 2010
@BrentRBrian I agree the only reason I have a blackberry is because it came free after I doused my phone in the pool last month. I'm trying hard to get an HTC Evo before the 30 day return policy is up on this thing so I can turn it in. Can't seem to put my hands on one anywhere.

Blackberries are great for work. If you need to be tethered to the corporate mailserver its the phone for you. For the consumer though -- I'm here to say, just forget about it! Its a quality device but with no ability to stream big content like movies, and the half of the device front yard real estate taken up with a crappy thumb keyboard (hello slide out keyboards?) instead of screen, it is BORING. BYE blackberry for this consumer!

Oh I have a Curve 8350.
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RE: Should RIM switch to Android?
mb01915@... 21st Aug 2010
RIM is becoming the modern day version of the buggywhip makers. They have the best buggywhip on the market but the market gets smaller everyday day after day.
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NO!
NoAxToGrind 21st Aug 2010
If I want an Android phone there are plenty of them.
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Bad idea, become a bottom feeder...
GoPower 21st Aug 2010
What's the difference between HP, Compaq, Dell, Lenovo, Acer, Gateway, eMachines in PCs? Basically nothing, but a name on a box, and extremely low profit margins. The Android handset makers will be in the same boat soon enough.
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Seriously?? WHY??
wackoae Updated - 21st Aug 2010
Why would RIM switch from an OS built with security to an OS known for being full of Google spyware??

That would be the most stupid thing they could do.
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RE: Should RIM switch to Android?
jorjitop 23rd Aug 2010
@wackoae

I need to second you on that. They would lose most of their customers very quickly!
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RE: Should RIM switch to Android?
max_wedge 23rd Aug 2010
@jorjitop , I have to weigh in here also. It's enterprise orientated handset. Of course they will keep developing more consumer orientated handsets, which may end up running android (or maybe not), but the business handsets will run rim for a long time
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yeah everyone can say RIM has its loyal following, but things are going to shape very differently the next year or two.

http://madbohem.com/technology/apple/mobile-platform-wars-who-will-come-out-on-top/
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Why bother?
matthew_maurice 21st Aug 2010
Rather than enter into a "race to the bottom" with Android hardware makers. RIM should just create an Android Blackberry client. Full BES integration onto Android handsets would be very lucrative, and REALLY piss off Google. You can't serve ads into encrypted mail streams running through RIMs servers.
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Serving ADS ?
BrentRBrian 22nd Aug 2010
So far I have not seen an AD on my phone ... ?
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RE: Should RIM switch to Android?
eulkloss 23rd Aug 2010
@matthew_maurice In the same spirit they could offer the app on the iOS platform. Thus modifying their business model from secure wireless messaging Hardware to secure messaging software. Their revenue still comes from the BES and Client licenses.
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RE: Should RIM switch to Android?
sovok_ 21st Aug 2010
They should have bought Palm instead...
Now the only options are to adopt Android or to rebuild their own os from scratch like Microsoft does.
Sooner or later this will happen or they go bankrupt.
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RE: Should RIM switch to Android?
czorrilla 21st Aug 2010
That would be a great idea. Modifying Android to suit them would be great. A great smartphone.
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Really?
statuskwo5 21st Aug 2010
I believe there was another ZD Net blog that suggested MS abandon its Trident rendering engine in IE and switch to WebKit. This is same nonsense because it practically kills off competition.
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Shortsighted
dave95. Updated - 21st Aug 2010
Rim switching to Android would just mean a faster death for Rim. Android is quickly on its way to becoming the watered-down generic smart phone brand. No control, the user is responsible for vetting apps, update mess, no consistency in UI or App design. No consistency in hardware control buttons. The platform is a mess. Once 3.0 gets here watch the whole update confusion restart again. Why would Rim tarnish their well earned reputation for Android? Rim's BlackBerry brand still remain stronger than Android.

Plus Rim would be competing with other cheap or free generic Android phones on the market as Android continue to race to the bottom. With thin margins

The latest Oracle java lawsuit further complicates things in Android land. Adds some more uncertainty to the platform.
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not entirely
BrentRBrian 22nd Aug 2010
RIM does not have to give up the secure pipe they get revenue from ... they can offer ANDROID and customize it to THEIR needs ... a HYBRID if you will ... that will make the "ANDRIOD" and still "proprietary", to a degree
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Ever heard the 3 letters called GPL.
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Where Bad Ideas Originate
Doctor Demento 21st Aug 2010
Sometimes people wonder where the really bad ideas in history originated....

New Coke

Waterworld

Microsoft Bob

The answer is, they originate with people like the author of this article.

RIM switching to Android would be one of the worst ideas in the history of business.
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RE: Should RIM switch to Android?
ConstableOdo 22nd Aug 2010
RIM is just about dead. Take one quick look at the stock price and dwindling market share and it will be very apparent. BlackBerry smartphones will still be corporate players, but their once unlimited future growth is done. Their once safe corporate empire is slipping away from them. Only the very highest security firms will have a need for a BlackBerry. All their consumer-based users will be buying Android smartphones. The hardware on their latest Torch is about two years old. Even the cheapest piece of crap Android smartphone has better hardware. RIM is lost. The whole smartphone world changed around them while they were dreaming of some secure texting paradise. It will now be their hell.
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1. You can't beat the form factor and keyboard. I can type on a BB way faster than on my touchscreen Android phone.

2. It is secure. If someone losses their phone I log into the BB Enterprise server and remotely wipe the phone and lock it. All settings can be controlled from the server and web traffic all goes through our corporate proxy. I can even deploy apps and updates to all handsets.

the business needs are different than the average consumer.

I wouldn't mind the torch keyboard on a Droid X or HTC EVO though.
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Android option on BB would be nice
Fletchguy 23rd Aug 2010
I just dumped my Blackberry for an htc evo 4G phone and man Im never going back to a BB as far as i can see. The BB phones themselves need to offer different tiers of phones you have the corporate that does what BBs do now emails and ims and can run the rim os. Then you go to try smart business phones that are bigger screen do more work and would offer RIM or Android with maybe an integration of the BES for email and BB Ims. The RIM software was so limiting for getting work done it made the phone almost uselsss for my work. I think a cross platform option would save BB but only if they can get some phone designers who can come to the future as the Torch is RIMs new toy and its 10 years behind the times
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RE: Should RIM switch to Android?
John Hanks 24th Aug 2010
@Fletchguy

You say a BB stopped you from working? I find that my BB Bold makes my work life easier with the integration with Email, Calendar, Notes, Contacts & Tasks and Outlook.

I have a consistent data store viewable from Outlook, Web interface or my BB. I'm able to get more done in less time. Android doesn't even come with a Memopad app, much less one that will wirelessly sync with Outlook.

It just depends upon your needs. I have a client with an iPhone and he's ready to get a Blackberry when I show him all the work related things that I can do and his can't.

I also have a Droid Eris and I still can't make it work as reliably and seamlessly as my BB. I want it to, but SyncML isn't available for all the data I need to sync.
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RE: Should RIM switch to Android?
Robvdvelden 23rd Aug 2010
I just bought my first BB for business reasons: a Storm 2. I like it but I'll probably trade it for a Torch (fat thumbs). I find the BB very easy to use. The screen quality is fine for my pictures and just big enough. The music and videos are fine so what more do I need. I had the Milestone and sold it because as someone said: Android - it's a toy. And I can't sync my Outlook and I don't want all my personal and business data on Google's cloud. I don?t need Facebook and all that stuff on my phone when I already have it on my laptop. Don't like my Windows Mobile 6.1 either. So let BB keep improving their OS and I'll probably stick with them.
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Oh yea
LarsDennert 23rd Aug 2010
That little wheel that you spin and push endlessly is so much better than the little stick you had to poke at the screen on WM. Wait WM SP had a wheel too... Double cool.
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RE: Should RIM switch to Android?
eliem@... 23rd Aug 2010
While Matthew has pointed out to the right approach, unfortunately that was tried with the BlackBerry connect on Windows Mobile and Symbian and failed miserably.
It's mind bugling why almost everyone on this form is categorizing the BB OS as the primary reason for us BB user to remain with BB. The only reason I have used a BB since the pager format, is because of the robustness of their email and PIM, security and most importantly the keyboard.
Put those on an Android OS, save tones of effort from OS development to blackberry core application development, make an advance SDK to allow developer to leverage BES and BIS on a decent hardware with keyboad and you'll a winning formula not only to keep existing BB customers, rather to start pulling away Android customers and more importantly what everyone is missing here the Android Application development army to compete with iPhone and others. BB recently announced the billing monetizing for App developers to do subscription base model, that's enough for many Android/iPhone App developers to target a BB device especially Apple prohibit this model.
I have blogged along the same lines for a while now, unfortunately RIM's ego is always on the way.
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RE: Should RIM switch to Android?
ilyab 23rd Aug 2010
They should pursue a consumer friendly android or web os based line like the Pearle.
But mucking around with their working formula when it comes to business users would be a gigantic mistake.
IMHO
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RE: Should RIM switch to Android?
Vahidm 23rd Aug 2010
Isn't RIM's strategy the same as Apple's? It's all about offering a complete, closed, paradigm. You buy the whole package and live within it, or you stay out. The positioning, of course, is different, since RIM fought and won the business market, while Apple is a consumer brand.

Moving into Android would mean risking the market they've won, and that's no small trick. They could always create their own branch of Android, if google would let them. But i'm pretty sure Google would rather capture that market for itself. If RIM wanted to play Trojan horse, though...
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they should have done it last year
The Management consultant 23rd Aug 2010
they can develope their own version and place it on some phones....at least the company will survive a few months longer
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RE: Should RIM switch to Android?
paul_oz 23rd Aug 2010
This is starting to look very like the same pattern of events that resulted in the death of Palm-OS and eventually killed Palm Inc.
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RE: Should RIM switch to Android?
richardanelson000 23rd Aug 2010
Newsflash, Android-lovers!!!!! Blackberry has tough-to-crack encryption for a reason.........That's why several enterprises, governments for numerous countries (including our own) use them. Don't forget....the blackberry was still usable where all other cell phone services were not after the NYC twin towers were taken down (and with it, a considerable amount of cellular footprint coverage). Don't get me wrong, I have and love my Droid and iPhone and Nokia, but I wouldn't change a tried and true device just to placate to some consumers who are wowed by the latest and greatest. It's a business tool first and a consumer device second. Other devices are consumer-oriented first and business tools after-the-fact. Widgets and apps (etc, etc, etc....) are nice and all, but let's not consider cannibalizing something just because the latest fad is popular. I use my droid (w/o a verizon plan) for a portable tablet (surfing, document creation, etc.). I use my iPhone as my main phone, as well as, systems administration tool when i'm on the road and need to manage windows, mac and linux systems alike via remote desktop, vnc, ssh shell, whatever is called for. My nokia is my backup. Blackberry has its place in the enterprise, because that's what it's designed for. Consumers or not, if the enterprise no longer needs that kind of high-level security and customization, then there really is no need for the blackberry ecosystem. However, as long as the need for mobile security and messaging exists, then i don't think that blackberry has too much to worry about with regards to the corporate/governmental arenas.
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RE: Should RIM switch to Android?
freetulisten 24th Aug 2010
@wackoae Says you. Grab a cliche and spout it - "...known for..."? Please, details?
Theories from the ill-informed, foil-hats are not the same as sound facts from people who actually understand what they're talking about.
You want security holes? Phones left on trains and in taxis, dropped wallets, blabber mouthed employees, gossip peddlers, bloggers...
Sorry worrywarts, we're just not important enough to have security concerns - if you trade in data that's security 'mineable', you have far more to worry about than Google's (and many, many others') algorithms that reveal your proclivity to search for stuff on eBay.
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