Did suicide viewers commit a crime?
Summary: 185 people watched Abe Biggs kill himself online. Some tried to talk him out of it, other goaded him on. No one notified authorities until it was too late. Was a crime committed?
The fact that dozens of people watched Abraham Biggs, Jr., kill himself on a webcam – none of whom alerted authorities until it was too late and many of whom goaded him on – is not only an outrage, it may be a crime. Police in Pembroke Pines, Fla., are investigating culpability of the viewers and of justin.tv, where the suicide was streamed, The Guardian says.
An investigator with the Broward County medical examiner's office, which is dealing with the case, confirmed that some web users had encouraged the teenager to harm himself, while others had tried to talk him out of ending his life. The messageboard where he left the original note has now been deleted, but not before other viewers had noted some of the harsher reponses."You want to kill yourself?" said one internet user reacting to the teenager's message. "Do it, do the world a favour and stop wasting our time with your mindless self-pity."
It's not clear to most observers whether watching or goading or broadcasting the suicide is a chargable offense.
Florida has a law against assisting suicide, Fla. Stat. 782.08:
782.08 ASSISTING SELF-MURDER.--Every person deliberately assisting another in the commission of self-murder shall be guilty of manslaughter, a felony of the second degree
But what is "assisting"? Is goading assisting? It doesn't seem likely to me. In a traditional murder, it would be no crime to watch – or even encourage -- one person to murder another, unless the encouragement was part of a conspiracy or duress.
On the other hand, in New York advising someone to kill themselves is manslaughter, InfoWeek reports. I haven't found a law like that in Florida, but it seems there would have to be such a law in order to prosecute.
Last year a British man killed himself on webcam, after being urged to "get on with it" by viewers. The Crown Prosecution Service decided that none of the comments amounted to a criminal offense, the Guardian reported.
A MySpace memorial page is here.
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A crime? Probably not...
Defends on how you define "crime"
Crime
few issues
This kid obviously needed help and as with anything done with an internet audience involved.. your going to get the full spectrum of responses. I personally dont care that the kid commited suicide, nor do i care that anyone goaded him into it.
If i goad you into raming your car into another, i am not responsible for the damage, no.
The parents should be blaming themselves, not the public. Yes, someone should have notified the parents.. but your talking about justin.tv... its on online website open to anyone. How do we know anyone knew the kid?
People do strange things in front of web cams all the time... this isnt that far of a stretch. Looking at their TOS, suicide is not allowed.. but who follows the rules when they are going to kill themselves?
As i said.. the only people who should feel responsible are the parents and the only person responsible is the kid. Its called suicide for a reason.
At any rate.. my sympahties go to the parents for their loss.
Not Acceptable
Watching someone who is obviously sick kill himself without raising a finger, some even encouraging him ....
Are Americans really what they claim to be, that they are a very developed people?
"Are Americans..."
It's been said before, but character is about what you do when nobody else is looking.
Obviously sick?
20/20 hindsight??
Not so sure about that
In this case, people watched, laughed, taunted, and agged on a kid who was literally killing himself. Any of them had the opportunity to help, even if they simply alerted a moderator to try to pull personal information and contact police. All of them had the option to not be assh*les.
It depends on where it was located, but many states have Good Samaritan laws, that basically say if you don't help, you're criminally responsible for that action.
This is not that different from seeing someone laying facedown in a puddle on the side of the road and instead of rolling him over to see if he is still breathing or calling an ambulance, you point, laugh, and go try to draw a crowd while he drowns.
It's most certainly monsterous, and possibly illegal.
You also ignore the fact that not all speech is protected. Speech directly intended to incite violence is criminal. If you goad a crowd into attacking or killing someone, that's a crime (that's why, incidentally, groups like the KKK have secret meetings - so no one can testify that they verbally incited violence in court and they can claim they are not, as an organization, responsible for the actions of individual members). Killing oneself may be the exception to that rule, but then again, it may not be.
The real wild card I see here is did they know it was real? We see a lot of crazy stuff online, and it can be difficult to tell what's for real and what's fake. I have a feeling that most people didn't realize it was serious or that it was reality. They shouldn't be held accountable for that. But I do hope they feel like the pieces of garbage they are for goading him on and saying such incredibly horrible things, or for even THINKING that this might be funny, even if it wasn't for real. It would not surprise me if there was another suicide or some serious therapy required for a few of these little jerks. Nothing like a healthy dose of reality to make someone realize the gravity of their actions and statemens under the guise of internet anonimity.
RE: Did suicide viewers commit a crime?
posted a question not long ago on yahoo answers saying
that he was going to kill himself one of the responders told
the asker the best way for him to do that was to take a
shot gun and blow his head off (I'm not kidding)
There will always be anonymous jerks and trolls who goad
people there's nothing to prevent it :(
It's tough to know when someone is trolling or serious
when they threaten suicide online I gave the asker a
phone number for a suicide hotline and also reported the
question to yahoo answers at least I did something and
tried to help him unlike the stupid troll.
RE: Did suicide viewers commit a crime?
RE: Did suicide viewers commit a crime?
The guy looks so "together" and "with it"...
This also a very sad commentary on our so totally self absorbed times...
No one contacted authorities...
But, who would you contact?
How many would have known, actually known when this was going on who to contact?
As for goading him on... As bad as crying fire, or bomb, in a crowded theatre. Unconscionable.
Absolute low-lifery of the lowest order. Snail slime one and all...
I think I would have liked to have met this young man.
Now I never will...
Bright intelligent eyes. Probably a mischievious streak...
Sad, oh so sad...
Mike Sr.
RE: Did suicide viewers commit a crime?
2. He's also the one that aired it; he got what he wanted, although not necessarily anything that'll be remembered for long.
3. I hope those that urged him to die suffer endless nights of sleep apnea for their part in it. The net's full of that kind of idiotic sociopath anymore; they feel safe because they can't be seen. Fools & idiots, every one of them.
RE: Did suicide viewers commit a crime?
You really can't blame the watchers for not calling the authorities or anybody who would have thwarted the tragic act because even if they thought of it, they also would have thought that this person is one of those morally challenged pshychopaths. Of course they knew that was not the case until he did kill himself.
My symphaties to the parents of this kid and prayers that their other kids (if they have) will never be in the same or worse situation as their brother.
RE: Did suicide viewers commit a crime?
RE: Did suicide viewers commit a crime?
It seems to me
Take out the computers to get your answer.
RE: Did suicide viewers commit a crime?
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