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Homeland Security spies on your social network activity, but is that bad?

By | October 15, 2010, 7:16am PDT

Summary: What do you have to hide?

What do you have to hide?

Most of you know that I’m an ardent advocate for personal liberties and individual freedom. You also know that one of the hats I wear is as a cyberwarfare and counter-cyberterrorism advisor to law enforcement and government security officials.

These two aspects of my professional activities are not mutually exclusive.

There is a point at which civil liberties can come in conflict with the protection of the nation. It’s this nexus that essentially defines the American security challenge.

This is not new. In 1775, Ben Franklin famously said, “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

I love Ben (he’s a personal hero), but all is not quite as black-and-white as he made it out to be.

For example, let’s say you live in a country hit by devastating terrorist attacks and you’re about to run an event that’ll have nearly two million people crowding onto the Mall in Washington.

Now, let’s say you’re swearing in the first black President in a country that still has its share of racist wackos.

That Mall, with those millions of people, would be an ideal target of opportunity for either type of bad guy.

Let’s further postulate that you’re responsible for protecting not only the incoming President, not only the outgoing President, but all their families, all the dignitaries, and all those regular citizens who came for the occasion.

What do you do? What do you do?

What you do is everything you possibly can to protect your citizens, while not sacrificing their rights. You use the full extent of the law to put in whatever safety precautions you possibly can.

You also try to head off threats ahead of time by doing good, solid, preventative intelligence work.

Social Network Monitoring Center

This bring us to the Department of Homeland Security’s Social Network Monitoring Center (SNMC), the subject of a recent Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request by the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

Now, as most you know, I’m usually the first to cheer for the work of the EFF, but this time I disagree (partially) with their outrage.

As a result of a recent FOIA request, the EFF learned that DHS had set up the SNMC to monitor social networks like Twitter, Facebook, Flickr, and MySpace prior to the inauguration. The purpose of this monitoring and aggregation effort was to find, essentially, indicators that baaaaaad things were going to happen.

Although SNMC had explicitly instructions to not gather personally identifying information, EFF believes that some of the information (like user names) could lead to a connection to individuals.

Here, I agree with the EFF. My Twitter user name is DavidGewirtz. It’s not hard to figure out that the user of that account is David Gewirtz. But I chose my user name specifically because I’m broadcasting on Twitter and I want people to know who I am.

The other thing is that publishing on Twitter and Facebook, and all those public-facing social networks is just that: publishing. If you post on Twitter for the world to see, the world might just see it. It’s not appropriate to get all up in arms that the government might be cataloging your interests in certain things when you share those interests with everyone.

Seriously, I do not want to know that your briefs are too tight or that you ate Cherios for the third day in a row. But if you post something that says you hate someone in power or want someone dead or otherwise say bad things, it’s good that our government is watching.

Unfortunately, the EFF FOIA disclosure isn’t as black-and-white as you might think, because SNMC didn’t just gather social network information prior to what could be a high-risk scenario.

Unfortunately, the SNMC seems to have a second, perhaps darker, purpose.

The SNMC is also, apparently, gathering information to feed to the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the IRS, to help hunt down tax cheats and “observe the daily life of beneficiaries and petitioners who are suspected of fraudulent activities” when applying for U.S. citizenship.

The EFF is concerned about the implications of these data collection practices and, at least on one level, I can’t argue about that concern. But on another level, I disagree with their premise and applaud the added security.

Let’s break these two issues apart.

First, we have a scanning process that’s looking for indicators of highly destructive activity. In a nation of freedoms, and a nation with 300 million self-directed individuals, it’s a really big challenge keeping everyone safe.

If the DHS has a tool that helps them predict (not Minority Report predict, but at least keep an eye out) potential trouble spots, I think that can be a valuable tool for security.

Some time ago, I wrote a piece for Counterterrorism Magazine advising security professionals to do just this: use social networks as a way to track and identify dangerous individuals. After all, if they’re posting it publicly, maybe their lack of propriety might help Homeland Security professionals save lives.

Since 9/11 there have been many incidents that you haven’t read about because our nation’s security professionals were able to prevent them. So, using this tool to provide such added security is good. There are a lot of freaky people out there and we need to do all we can to keep the nation safe.

But here’s where the SNMC become problematic. When it’s also used to monitor citizens for other possible infractions, it begins to smack of Big Brother. It no longer seems like the long arm of the law wrapping itself around us in a protective hug, but more like something intrusive and potentially threatening.

This is the fine line security professionals and our policy makers have to walk. On one hand, we have a taxpayer-funded tool that can be used to keep us safe. On the other hand, since we have a tool, and it’s already been paid for, why not use it for other enforcement efforts?

It’s a tough question. Sometimes, I wish ol’ Ben was in Washington now.

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At various times during his adult life, David has voted for both Democrats and Republicans, and has been disappointed by both. He is deeply disturbed by how partisanship has come before patriotism in America, which gives him the freedom to pick on both sides.

David is a frequent guest on TV and radio stations across America and can usually be heard or seen on-the-air at least once a week. He writes weekly commentary and analysis for CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360 and has been interviewed by Fox News, CNN, various ABC and NBC affiliates, and Canada’s Global TV. He has been a featured guest on National Public Radio and has also been featured on Voice of America, Radio Free Europe, and Radio Liberty where his commentaries on technology, industry, and emerging nations have been broadcast into 46 countries (all in their own unique translations).

David is the executive director of U.S. Strategic Perspective Institute, a nonprofit research and policy organization. He is the Cyberterrorism Advisor for the International Association for Counterterrorism & Security Professionals, a columnist for The Journal of Counterterrorism and Homeland Security and a special contributor to Frontline Security Magazine. He is a member of the FBI’s InfraGard program, the security partnership between the FBI and industry. David is also a member of the U.S. Naval Institute and the National Defense Industrial Association, the leading defense industry association promoting national security.

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In addition to hosting the ZDNet Government and ZDNet DIY-IT blogs, CBS Interactive's Distinguished Lecturer David Gewirtz is an author, U.S. policy advisor, and computer scientist. He is featured in The History Channel special The President's Book of Secrets, is one of America's foremost cyber-security experts, and is a top expert on saving and creating jobs. He is also director of the U.S. Strategic Perspective Institute as well as the founder of ZATZ Publishing.

David is a member of FBI InfraGard, the Cyberwarfare Advisor for the International Association for Counterterrorism & Security Professionals, a columnist for The Journal of Counterterrorism and Homeland Security, and has been a regular CNN contributor, and a guest commentator for the Nieman Watchdog of the Nieman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard University. He is the author of Where Have All the Emails Gone?, the definitive study of email in the White House, as well as How To Save Jobs and The Flexible Enterprise, the classic book that served as a foundation for today's agile business movement.

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AZLasVegas 18th Feb
This article is complete and total propaganda! I don't live in constant fear of a terrorist attack... I don't live in fear PERIOD! It was news to me to find out that there is a battlefield right outside our window! That is per Congress expressed in the draconian 2012 NDAA. Complete surprise. Don't they have anything better to do with our tax dollars than increasing their Big Brother, All-Seeing Eye Activities and invading Third World Nations? The only terrorist attacks we have experienced have been instigated by the FBI in order to justify their existence and federal budgets. Google that! Or better yet http://www.gibiru.com or http://www.ixquick.com that! I must correct myself, I am afraid of something now. I'm not allowing it to impede my life, however I fear my own Government. This is exactly the kind of statement that will have DHS/CIA/FBI and other Alphabet agencies keeping tabs on me.

I flip them the "bird"! I am an American!

Wake up!
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You see the effect of the slippery slope
terry flores Updated - 15th Oct 2010
"Better safe than sorry" was one of J. Edgar Hoover's favorite justifications for his illegal actions. The only problem was that he applied it to personal and political enemies as eagerly as he did against the "enemies of the state".

I liken the development of these monitoring efforts to nuclear weapons. Once they have been created, you can't uncreate them. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. Somebody will end up using them, no matter how solid or flimsy their justification may be. And there is always the potential for misuse from within and without.

Anyway, it's not a tough question anymore, the damage is done. More and more federal agencies, state and even local government entities will start to use these tools for whatever purposes they desire. There is no public oversight or brake on the process. All of them have track records of breaking their own regulations on a continuing basis. And there are few citizen-run organizations like the EFF to counter the massive resources of our own bureaucracy. So we just better learn to live with it.
@terry flores Yeah, and Hoover is burning in hell in a pink dress too.
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Live with it...
Bradish@... 15th Oct 2010
@terry flores I agree that US citizens must 'live with it' for the simple reason that you have been living with 'it' for a very long time (post WW2) in search of commies(!), spies, terrorist and now all the cyber stuff. At one company I worked for we were briefed on security issues back in 1997 and the expert at that time basically said that the US government monitored most email communications that passed through US servers for specific key words...this has been going on for a long time and frankly I don't think DG is bringing anything new to the table on this that was not well known before he was out of diapers!
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watching you...
Bradish@... 25th Apr 2011
@Bradish@... you are indeed correct regarding email monitoring. We all know that and continue to email. Social sites are being monitored for sure (why not?) and if the user posts something stupid then he gets what he deserves. As long as 'we' know we are being monitored then there is no real problem in fact. The Chinese citizen knows that fact and lives accordingly and as necessary. The difference is that most US citizens have blind faith that this is not so and acts ... well, stupidly. His problem.
They have been doing it for years now, just more secretly. the satellite spy system used by the five countries was the US work-around for finding criminal acitivites, without violating privacy laws, and , then came the Patriot Act. they can do what they want. And, your cell phone will tell them where you are! there should be some level of privacy, but the technology is advancing too fast for the laws to catch up. Even if they wanted to.
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Where are the checks and balances?
snberk341 15th Oct 2010
I'm a strong supporter of the State staying out of the private lives of it's citizens. I also, however, see the need for certain agencies to peek into people's lives, when necessary, to keep citizen's safe. The big problem is not that these agencies have the power to poke around in people's lives - it's that they police themselves about whether they have followed the rules or not.

Why not create an Auditor General? This would be an office of (in the US) Congress itself (so - not the White House, or the Government) and totally non-partisan. Their job would be to 'audit' compliance with government policies and rules by the agencies. They would have complete access to all records, and would write an annual public report. They would understand the importance of keeping specific details secret and would generally report on the 'big brush strokes', however they could release details of an infraction if they assessed that the agency was hiding behind the "Classified" tag to avoid embarrassing themselves.

If the agency was flagrantly flouting the rules, then the AG would finger them. If the agency was dealing with badly written government rules, then the AG would point that out. If an agency needed to act quickly to prevent loss of life, and court warrants would have taken too long - the AG could assess that and give their blessings after the act. Or rake them over the coals for sloppy work - whatever is appropriate to the case.

As a non-partisan officer of the people they would not have an agenda to embarrass the government or the agencies for political gain. Their oath is to the people.

Canada has an AG whose work is focussed primarily on the financial aspects of all branches of the federal government, but who also examines department's adherence to policies and rules, and contracts, etc etc

They are not seen as "government friendly", and the opposition loves the annual reports. However, as soon as the opposition turns into the government it is their turn to dread the annual reports. The system works really well, and is one of the factors that makes the Canadian civil service one of the most admired in the world.

It's a system that might translate well to the American system, and specifically to the the security agencies.
@snberk341
There are several watchdog agencies within the US Government, In Congress, in the Executive Branch, the FBI even has its own internal "Office of Professional Responsibility". Want to know how responsible they are?

"WASHINGTON (AP) ? The former chief internal watchdog at the FBI has pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting a 6-year-old girl and has admitted he had a history of molesting other children before he joined the bureau for a two-decade career."

John H. Conditt Jr., 53, who retired in 2001, was sentenced last Friday to 12 years in prison in Tarrant County court in Fort Worth, after he admitted he molested the daughter of two FBI agents after he retired. He acknowledged molesting at least two other girls before his law enforcement career, his lawyer said. "
as the agencies that they're supposedly watching over.

Why not set up those wathdogs in the private sector, and with partisan parties from all sides? That way, everyone in government jobs would be very leery about everything they do.

Then, we'd need to set up a watchdog agency to watch over the watchdog agency, and so on and so forth. wink
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Let's apply some common sense ....
bkshort@... 15th Oct 2010
If I erected a large billboard in my yard detailing my daily activities, should I be upset if the police read what was posted on it? Similarly, if I posted information online where ANYONE can see it, I can't be upset if government spooks happen to be some of those "anyone."

Now, if my information was password-protected, that would be different. I'd be up in arms if the government was cracking passwords. But, if the information is there for the Russians to read, how can I complain about the US government reading it, too?
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Let's take that a bit further...
snberk341 15th Oct 2010
@bkshort@... If someone, on the sidewalk, saw you leaving your house.... that is completely acceptable and common place. But what if they followed you. Still legal. Took notes, waited for you outside your office, but still on the sidewalk. Had a friend that waited outside the back door. Followed you home. Followed you as you took your family out to dinner and a movie. Sat right behind you in the theatre. Sat next to you at the restaurant.

Each of those acts, by itself, is completely legal and innocent. Put it all together, and it becomes unacceptable - at least in a western democracy. But, that is what the government is proposing. To put a little follower on everything you do. Except in the case of going on-line, you can't just turn around and see your follower..... but it's there, taking notes, reporting back to HQ.
@bkshort@...

How about if they simply ASK the service provider for administrative level access to the system and are granted access without a court order as ATT, Version and the like grant them regularly. You "OK" with that?
@bkshort@... The public record is fine but they're listing and seeing into homes using technologies without warrants and tracking what you write and who you talk to. Do you like being tracked via GPS because its happening right now. They don't even use probable cause anymore.

The nature of government is to expand our Constitution was designed to be the leash to keep it in check. Have you read it?
@Duncan651@...

Apparently many here haven't or they have forgotten the core tenets of this nation. devil
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Incorrect.
techboy_z 25th Apr 2011
@bkshort@...
You are incorrect! If I post on facebook, I expect ONLY those to whom I have granted visibility to be able to see my postings. Period. Because of the ability to restrict, that is NOT publicly posted information, and there IS expectation of privacy, in a legal sense!!
Well you have certainly justified yourself enough to sleep at night Mr Orwell. Congrats.

I fear the type of people you are.
@Bodazapha Have your read Orwell? If not, don't defame the writer. He was a true visionary of his time. Have your read his any of his books Animal Farm? The Time Machine? or 1984? If you fear people who read, then I suggest Ray Bradbury's book Fahrenheit 451.
@Duncan651@... Spam How? I guess encouraging people to read is double ungood in America now.
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Yes, it is BAD!
Tholian_53 15th Oct 2010
This is the government sidestepping Constitutional and legal requirements for information gathering and the fact that they feel that they are accountable only to themselves for this activity is even more egregious. There are NO checks or balances besides secret "self-reporting" and equally USELESS balms to the public and even to our own elected representatives.

Right now the excuse they have is they want to "protect" us from the "BAD GUYS." Sounds real good and is sure to please the sheep. What isn't thought about or mentioned is the fact that the definition of "BAD GUYS" changes and when it does it could become you or me because of our political affiliation, or which church we go to, or what clubs we belong to, or even what kind of sex we have with other consenting adults. Perhaps it might be what movies we choose to watch or what kind of art we create.

It's all so Orwellian bordering on Machiavellian and the only losers are going to be the public.
@Tholian_53 Right on. The definition of who is a bad guy is exactly what scares me. Supreme Court just voted that anybody who disagrees with a politician can be thrown out of a "meeting or speech". Where the hell are we headed?
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RE:Yes, it is BAD!
ianr@... 20th Oct 2010
@Tholian_53: I'm a social libertarian and I don't believe in government incursion into private life for any reason BUT... If you publish your crimes in a tell all in a newspaper, you will be arrested. This isn't a question about law enforcement, it's a question regarding the intelligence of the general population. Facebook, Twitter and other OPEN, non-password protected blogs are part of the public domain. Once you post your information #1. You no longer own it, it is now owned by the provider you posted on. #2. If it is not password protected, ANYONE (including law enforcement) can read it. You don't post picture of you and your *insert race here* girl/boyfriend on Facebook if your parents are racists. You don't post pictures of yourself shooting heroin if you have a Federal Security Clearance. What you do in your own home is your problem, when you post it on a blogging site, you just made it public. ANYONE can use it in any fashion THEY deem necessary. Now, if your friend posted your picture or named you in a criminal activity on their blog and you are arrested for their post, you should have legal recourse. None the less, if you don't want someone to know you did something illegal, immoral or against your parent's wishes, don't post it.
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Ha ha ha. You want me to trust
Telexer 15th Oct 2010
the bureaucrats that are torturing people for confessions and conducting two pointless wars just to keep the MIC smoke stacks belching. You may catch the Raging Grannies by spying on US citizens that that's about it. What a crock. It's a giant step towards Fascism.
@Telexer
Bingo!! Nail hit on head.
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I guess there's no room for police in your argument?
justthisguyyouknow Updated - 15th Oct 2010
If the nation faces an attack, no amount of monitoring everyone's public (and not so public) communication is going to have any effect - terrorists will just use encryption and other ways o communicating that can't be intercepted.

However, you might want to get police and security to look out for the terrorists, after all that's their job, and it's the way the majority of terrorists have been caught. Not on Facebook, not on Twitter, but in real actual life.

So, what have /you/ got to hide? Nothing? Then you won't mind posting your last 5 tax returns and any love letters you may have received or sent anytime in your life, right? Because it's okay if you have nothing to hide - and obviously in this scenario you are ok with no longer having any expectation of privacy.

How did that Kool-Aid taste, anyway?
I have news for you, it is. If you believe a word coming out of the District of Criminals (DC) you need help.

We just found out via Freedom of Information Act request that NIST doctored videos to remove key information proving that building 7 of the WTC was brought down by controlled demolition.

Duh, as if it wasn't obvious. But the point is NIST is involved in a cover up.

Hegalian dialectic. oooo, the scary bearded terrorists in caves are gonna get ya, we have to install a camera in your bedroom to keep you safe.

The patriot act (please!) was never about anything other than stripping the American people of their rights. They are currently preparing for massive civil unrest in this country. They know the gig is up and the biggest criminal heist in history, the so-called "banker bailout" is becoming widely known.

This was all set in motion hundreds of years ago, but the last straw was the federal reserve act. (1913)

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

~ Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence

"If people understood the banking system they would revolt."

~ Henry Ford

No sir, there is ZERO good about the SS... er, DHS. Unless you consider pushing the American people like cattle, groping them and irradiating them at the airport (and soon just about everywhere) is "good."

Jefferson also said people will get the exact level of tyranny they are willing to put up with. The trigger is about to get pulled; the US dollar is cooked, it will not exist after 2012 or so. It's an untenable system by design. A rip off ponzi scheme. The music is about to stop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXb-LrVkuwM
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We just found out via Freedom of Information Act request that NIST doctored videos to remove key information proving that building 7 of the WTC was brought down by controlled demolition.

The corrected version....

We just found out via Freedom of Information Act request that NIST doctored videos to remove key information proving that building 7 of the WTC was brought down by controlled demolition, and those videos had Bush and Carl Rove moving about the building and placing demolition sticks all over the building, and to top it all off, Bush was caught at the end of the video pressing the button that set off all of the charges.

You know, if you' re going to tell a story, you should always tell the whole story and not leave anything out.
@pgit Oh my, another one that "can see".

Keep up the good posts there pgit. Some of us DO hear ya.

Regards
@netquestz ''Some of us DO hear ya'' I think there is a clinical term for this...

Now, would you kindly go back to the youtube channel that you crawled out of.
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Without Real Oversight
Dr. John Updated - 15th Oct 2010
Without real oversight, how do we know where the line gets drawn? Do you become a person of interest simply by saying you disagree with the prez's policies? By saying you don't like him? By saying you wish he was dead? By saying you're surprised he hasn't been assassinated? By speculating that he could be if he follows through with a proposal?

Do you become a person of interest if you follow some fringe religion? Practice nudism? Belong to a coven? Get a kick out of "Rocky Horror Picture Show"? Are a Dead Head?

Do you become a person of interest if you are constantly late paying your utility bills? Accidentally misstate your income on your taxes by a couple hundred bucks? Watch documentaries critical of government? Read the wrong blogs? Visit the wrong websites? "Like" the wrong people/causes/pages?

Talk about something being rife for abuse!
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Your privacy is an illusion.
matthew_maurice 15th Oct 2010
And if you use any social network, it's not even/b] an illusion. Plus, is it really spying if any jealous ex-girlfriend can do it?
Good article! I agree with you, plus if I had something to hide--well I should keep it hidden.
Hmmmmm.....just wondering what sort of "terrorist" would publicly broadcast his intent to do evil on a social networking site? Perhaps an idiot terrorist whose underwear bomb would burn his own privates, and no one else. I would think that any competent terrorist or wacko would probably not be broadcasting his intentions for all, including govt. agents, to see on a social networking site.
I'm sorry, where's the part where you care about freedom?
waves@ David Gewirtz Another great story ,It's kind of common for geeks to analyze pics or data they get from friends ,snapshots ,desktops an such. A small bit of advice to your readers just use good judgment in editing the material you want to post an only show the person what you really intended for them to see . I mean if homeland security wants my new box http://www.flickr.com/photos/54044344@N05/ yea it rocks happy
Well, if nothing else, the article brought out the crazies and closed minded idiots of ignorance amongst a couple well thought out comments. Too bad; they ruined what could have been a good discussion IMO.
@twaynesdomain

Govt spying on it's citizens to keep them safe shouldn't be a discussion at all. It is wrong.
Soylent blue, Soylent Red and Soylent Green.

BEhold the future
I don't share your concern because my needs are simple: The Department of Homeland Security should be rotting in Hell, together with those politicians who enacted the Patriot Act.
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Do you know that the people "keeping us safe" are not psychopaths? Psychopaths are addicted to power and have the unusual personality characteristics that allow them easy access to it. Psychopaths can do anything they want and feel absolutely no guilt. Look up the personality characteristics of psychopaths they match very closely your typical powerful politician and typical powerful business leader. What safeguards are in place to keep psychopaths out of politics and business? Absolutely none. In fact most people demand core psychopathic personality characteristics like charisma, glibness and fearlessness in their politicians. This is why the founding fathers created the constitution: to keep power in the hands of the masses not a possible conscienceless elite.
Anyone thinking Hitler socialism ? In 1927, Hitler said: "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak.Check this out "laughs' The feds got caught low jacking someone http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101016/ap_on_re_us/us_gps_tracking_warrants waves @ David
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The age old argument continues
Carol Rizzo 17th Oct 2010
One of the most important freedoms we have is the freedom of assembly. It assumes that we freely choose to assemble with people who share our principals, values or interests.
There are tons of case law on the limitation of the governments right to penetrate these types of associations and under what conditions it is legal or not. If the government is looking for terrorist activity, the government can NOT just decide it wants to find people who are tax cheats or collecting money under the table or people who do not agree with government policy by going to a freely chosen citizen participation in discussions or meetings (AA, university classes, demonstrations, etc). Government agencies, except for Homeland Security, must prove that there is a proportionate risk and provide evidence that there is something to investigate.

The internet is an electronic extension of our physical activity and our ability to freely assemble is hampered if we believe that our every conversation, our every acquaintance, our every thought is being monitored against some idea of good or bad or right or wrong behavior or thinking.

I applaud the EFF and the ACLU for being the watchdogs of our democratic freedoms. We must never take our liberty for granted.
@Carol Rizzo The problem is that the EFF and ACLU have become too cozy with the system. They pick and choose their battles, politically. I wonder as 501 organizations if they also get grants from the government.

Remember, as US citizens it's our responsibility to vote and participate in government. It's for the sake of our children's future. I speak out because I don't want my child to live in a third world country just because our leaders don't know how to budget or make tough choices.
"Democracy is a lamb and two wolves voting on what's for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
? Benjamin Franklin

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
? Benjamin Franklin

"All mankind is divided into three classes: those that are immovable, those that are movable, and those that move."
? Benjamin Franklin
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Some of you folks might find Douglas Coupland's article entitled " A radical pessimists guide to the next ten years " an interesting and illuminating read. Whilst you may be able to pick holes in the detail, I think, sadly, that conceptually he is right on the nail:-
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/a-radical-pessimists-guide-to-the-next-10-years/article1750609/

Seems that spooks stalking your SpaceFace activities is just one of many curtailments to your freedom and that " The Land of the Free" is becoming one of the greatest misnomers of all time.

Very sad. Best wishes, G.
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Dave, are you really that naive?
Reindeer911 18th Oct 2010
"But if you post something that says you hate someone in power or want someone dead or otherwise say bad things, it?s good that our government is watching."

1. I have the right to like or not like anybody I please... so does everybody else, and it's really none of your damn business unless it affects you personally, and even that is just a big maybe. Just because I (or anybody else) may not like someone, or even hate them doesn't mean I'm going to act out against them.

2. People say nasty things about each other all the time... so what? If I were to say "Gosh, I sure hate my ex-wife", does that mean I can expect a visit from Homeland Security? Or does that reasoning apply only to politicians, in effect making them a privileged class?

3. The First Amendment was created for a reason, mainly to protect opinions that might not be popular. No, we aren't talking about kiddie porn or yelling "fire" in a theater here either. We're talking about "The Obamacare health reform is fascist in nature because it forces citizens to buy health insurance from private companies and therefore should be repealed" type of speech.

4. Guilty until proven innocent. Unless I have given the government reasonable suspicion that I am committing a crime, why do they feel the need to spy on my affairs?

5. How about the government provide a list of crimes and terrorist actions that have been clearly prevented as a result of spying on it's citizens? Sorry, but just saying things like "Since 9/11 there have been many incidents that you haven?t read about because our nation?s security professionals were able to prevent them." isn't good enough. Let's see some actual evidence. On that note, let's also see how many people have likewise been falsely accused and convicted as well, and see where the ratio stands.

6. Final point for this round... The whole axiom of "If you have nothing to hide, what do you have to be worried about?" is asinine beyond belief. People might very well have LEGITIMATE reasons to want to keep government snoops out, say like a patent development. Second, it's the government who defines the laws and enforces them. Are you aware that there are still some states that have anti-sodomy laws still on the books? Think that might potentially create a problem for a male homosexual couple? Has it ever occurred to you that the government has actually passed laws that essentially allow them to declare anyone that they arbitrarily feel is a threat (i.e. terrorist) and throw them in jail or even have tortured?

Try again!
Ben Franklin has and had, no business deciding who deserves liberty.
@dpkingbluesguitar Without Ben Franklin you wouldn't have the liberties you enjoy today. His ideas inspired a people and help found a country. Maybe you should try reading a non-fiction book sometime. You know, they're available electronically now.
Like the man said people who give up freedom for security deserve neither. We are getting due for another revolution, hopefully one that involves voting out incumbents and getting some real reformers in. I know that for the first time I'm voting for a libertarian candidate instead of the equally distasteful republican or democratic candidate. We need to fire them all, vote some new blood in. I will say conversely, that if I don't want people to know it, I'm not posting it online.
No, it's not "that bad". Why not? Every other terrorist in the world can access it to get that same information and murder us.
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You Kids are funny! ...
rmhesche 19th Oct 2010
I'm in my early 50s and I think I wasn't yet a teenager when I learned not to write anything down. And I was a teen when I learned to not say anything on an open line. Not to keep a diary, and sis or Mom may pick up the extension, and there were those clicks on the phone line when no one else is in the house ...

Now we have people, mostly 'children', posting their lives on line, their movements, their actions, some times in real time for all to see.

And you're worried about privacy. ? !

You're funny.
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Complete Propaganda
AZLasVegas 18th Feb
This article is complete and total propaganda! I don't live in constant fear of a terrorist attack... I don't live in fear PERIOD! It was news to me to find out that there is a battlefield right outside our window! That is per Congress expressed in the draconian 2012 NDAA. Complete surprise. Don't they have anything better to do with our tax dollars than increasing their Big Brother, All-Seeing Eye Activities and invading Third World Nations? The only terrorist attacks we have experienced have been instigated by the FBI in order to justify their existence and federal budgets. Google that! Or better yet http://www.gibiru.com or http://www.ixquick.com that! I must correct myself, I am afraid of something now. I'm not allowing it to impede my life, however I fear my own Government. This is exactly the kind of statement that will have DHS/CIA/FBI and other Alphabet agencies keeping tabs on me.

I flip them the "bird"! I am an American!

Wake up!

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