Internet vs. US Constitution

By | March 30, 2010, 5:29am PDT

Summary: Will the Justices be able to adapt, given the US Constitution is 223 years old with a ‘few’ amendments? Will government need to establish new amendments to modernize how laws are created and established in an Internet world?

I read every talkback to the stories I write. All are constructive and I learn something every day.  Thank you for your feedback. You all have a variety of different opinions, views, and interpretation of government law, regulations and authority as it applies to the use of the Internet and technology and politics. The debate on health care, antitrust, freedom of speech, liberty, Internet use, copyright and patent law are hot issues within this section of ZDNet.  In this technology saturated world, one statement that commonly appears to pop up in talkback comments is the U.S. Constitution and how laws affecting our lives and use of computers, social media and other services are perceived as being attacked. This poses some interesting questions, among them, is the U.S. Constitution capable of keeping up? Will the Justices be able to adapt given the Constitution is 223 years old with a ‘few’ amendments. Will government need to establish new amendments to modernize how laws are created and established in an internet world?

Associate Justice Stephen Breyer and A. Justice Antonin Scalia debated their views on a variety of topics surrounding the meaning of the U.S. Constitution. The choice of these Justices sets the stage for diverse and often opposite views. Points of argument put forward by both Supreme Court justices are compelling and worthy of your time to debate. You will discover that both have a sense of humor. The Justices are not your typical John Grisham novel jurists. They’re better.

Covered by C-Span, a one hour lecture records valuable insight on how the two Associate Justices wrestle with cases and interpretation of law brought before the court. I encourage you to take the time to listen to the program. The Justices take on very difficult topics including the death penalty, abortion, due process, liberty and freedom of speech (and Press). The Justices also tackle relevance of technology in today’s world compared to when the Constitution was drafted by the framers of the document in 1787. The discussion does not cover internet technology or social media directly. The discussion extensively covers how legislation is enacted by Congress and repercussions it may have on the court.

Chief Justice John Roberts said in a speech at the University of Alabama that Congress has a duty to pass laws that are Constitutional and not rely upon the court to make such decisions. This potentially has significant impact on any bills going through Congress directed at the Internet.

Associate Justice Stephen Breyer was appointed the Supreme Court by President Clinton in 1994. Justice Breyer is the author of a fascinating book, Active Liberty: Interpreting Our Democratic Constitution.

Associate Justice Antonin Scalia was appointed to the Supreme Court by President Reagan in 1986. Considered an “Originalist” by many law professors, Justice Scalia published Making Your Case: The Art of Persuading Judges. Leave your comments, which I have no doubt you will.

Additional resources:

When is an employer allowed to read your email?

Are the MPAA and RIAA out of their minds?

Warner Bros. recruiting students to spy on file sharers

The FCC should be the regulator of ACTA treaty

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Biography

Doug Hanchard

Doug is the principal of Rapid Response Consulting, an advisory group that integrates ICT solutions. He has worked at some of the largest telecommunications firms in Canada, including Bell Canada, Telus and AT&T and is a guest lecturer for several universities and associations. He serves on several advisory boards in Canada and the United States.

Starting with a new national ISP in 1993 in sales, positioning internet access, web sites and network services began the path of telecommunications technologies from the early Bulletin Board Services (BBS) to the first web pages for commercial clients.

Became the National Data Network Service Manager for Frame Relay and Internet access for AccTel Enterprises which was acquired (after 3 mergers already) by AT&T Canada. Interested in how marketing could expand service availability, he moved to Telus to become the Frame Relay / ATM Product Manager and expanded the network across Canada. In 2002 he went to Bell Canada becoming a Solution Architect to get back to his passion for technology working with enterprise clients. In 2006, became the Director of R&D and Senior Solution Architect for Bell Canada Security Solutions Inc, developing I.P. based physical and logical security platforms and ICT services.

This position created new commercial concepts such as Crisis and Disaster technology solutions required for emergency use after an event occurred. He designed interoperable technologies and application combinations allowing any to any I.P. service through landline, broadband, satellite and wireless technologies to be deployed anywhere

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RE: Internet vs. US Constitution
birumut Updated - 3rd May 2011
Well done! Thank you very much for professional templates and community edition
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The Meanings of the Bill of Rights
tburzio 30th Mar 2010
The Constitution is quite clear about the reasons for privacy, if you understand the reason for the Bill of Rights. The items in the list are not separate, as some think, but to be taken as a whole. Why? Each is one step in the puzzle that the colonists needed to overthrow the King. Search and Seizure? Remember Lexington and Concord? You can't run guns if the King can stop and search anywhere his soldiers want. Freedom of Religion? The pulpit was being used to foment Rebellion and then organize militia units, the CNN of it's day. Not house troops? Can't go to militia practice if there are soldiers in your house. It goes on and on.

Then again, most people don't know that Freedom and Liberty are very different words.
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Simplistic
Economister 30th Mar 2010
There is no explicit provision in the Constitution that protects a comprehensive right to privacy. The First, Fourth and Fifth amendments do deal with certain aspects of privacy. The Supreme court has therefore struggled with many privacy cases over the years. It will continue to struggle with privacy cases during the internet age, for that same reason.
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I would...
doug.hanchard@... 30th Mar 2010
tend to agree with your assesement. That's one of the impressions I took away from watching the lecture.

Thanks for writing.
Doug
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Your mistaken
pcguy777 Updated - 30th Mar 2010
Your papers are YOUR private papers. no matter where they are stored.

but if you waive those rights, for example, by signing or agreeing to some sort of policy. that is an entirely different matter.
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Become the subject of a search warrant...
Economister 30th Mar 2010
and you will discover exactly how private your papers are.
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Hence the 4th Amendment...
Reindeer911 30th Mar 2010
...Which is supposed to protect people from unreasonable searches and seizures.
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Two words - Probable Cause
rep2009 31st Mar 2010
Search warrants don't just grow on trees. To obtain one, there must be probable cause, and the facts must be sworn to before a magistrate. The 4th amendment says that the place to be searched must be detailed, along with the items to be seized. Search warrants are not fishing expeditions. There is a long series of cases that detail "evidence" being thrown out because the police were in the wrong apratment, or picked up other items, that might not have been called out in the search warrant.
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Hogwash!!
windozefreak 31st Mar 2010
Once they get inside your property the can do just about anything they want, and ubder the guise of suspicious looking. Most warrants give them that out. The warrant give them every opportunity to make you a criminal even if you are not one. So, don't be a criminal is my advise.
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probably cause
oschmucko@... 31st Mar 2010
Due to the Patriot Act, all that the authorities
need to do is say that you are a "terrorist
suspect" and they can and will enter your property
without a court authorization. There have been
several news reports of FBI/Gov't abuse of this
capability to get standard criminals. The problem
is that once you give up a right or something,
it's hard to get it back. Even with a change in
administration, the gov't hasn't changed the law.
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unconstitutional
erik.soderquist Updated - 2nd Apr 2010
This is a case of the law being a violation of the Constitution. Unfortunately, it seems all branches of the government have come to view the Constitution as something to get around rather than something to uphold.

:'(



*edit to correct spelling
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Waiving Rights
reslyn 31st Mar 2010
The scary part for me, is every time I go to an
additional site, and sign the 'terms of agreement'
I know SOMEWHERE in there I may have "waived my
privacy rights in one way or another. Isn't using
ANY form of internet access 'waiving your rights'?
AOL, Microsoft, Facebook, Google... don't they ALL
have and retain your personal information...and IP
information in one way or another?
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Simplistic: 9th Amendment
ejpoleii 30th Mar 2010
"...no explicit provision..."

"The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

I don't know how much more clear the Constitution can be that there ARE other rights than those explicitly stated. Doesn't anyone actually READ the dang thing!?

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Read the Constitution
jmd8421r 30th Mar 2010
Apparently most members of Congress either have not or cannot read the Constitution.
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Unalienable Rights
xnilo 30th Mar 2010
Our Constitution was framed as a set of limitations on
the government to safeguard liberty. It is defense for
unalienable rights, not a statement of rights allocated
by the government to the people. The addition of
technological advances has not uncovered any new base
human right that I am aware of, so our founding
documents are as relevant as ever. The medium may
change, but speech is still speech and the government
shouldn't infringe upon it.

Where we have gone astray is by allowing government to
legislate every infinitesimal area of our lives. If we
had resisted the urge to control everything, and
instead left more choice to the individual, we could
have a streamlined government that might actually
efficiently accomplish the relatively few things it is
supposed to do.
When you speek to a relative or friend, be it
in a public place, that conversation is
private, and immune to governmental
interference.

However, on the internet the private status of
interaction is not as easy to interpret. You
often end up communicating with non relative in
a conservative way of thinking; peer to peer
communication, which were traditionally
labelled as private have become so general that
having a stance considering them all to be
private is difficult to maintain...
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Very well said
newb6025@... 30th Mar 2010
Yes the Constitution is quite capable of dealing with the internet or any other technological advancement. All that is needed is for us to understand that the founders were trying to protect our rights from infringements by any means. Unfortunately today we confuse rights with wants and desires, but that it another topic for another day.

The problem is not with the Constitution or it's age but with our society. We continue to allow our "leaders" to ignore or misinterpret the Constitution to fit their agendas. The founders of this country left us a treasure trove of documents to use in order to clarify any questions with regard to the intent of any part of the Constitution. The Federalist Papers is a good start but there are many others.

Referring to a justice as an originalist is ridiculous. If they are not originalists they are not doing their jobs. Their function is to interpret constitutionality of laws as intended by the founders or subsequent amendments not to twist its meaning to further an agenda from either party.

It has 2 and only 2 legitimate methods for change, the amendment process and a convention.

Those that believe the Constitution is a living document are correct only in the fact that the amendment process exists, not that the Supreme Court or any other entity has the authority to just change the meaning or intent as they see fit. The process was established for a reason.
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xnilo and newb6025 are correct
bb_apptix 30th Mar 2010
The Constitution is there to protect the unalienable rights of the citizens; it does not grant us rights, it protects those rights from abuse by others and by the government.

It specifically and intentioally limits what the Federal government can do. This is why Barack Obama has such a problem with it, because it "doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf" in the "issues of redistribution of wealth"

When the President of the United States, sworn to uphold, protect and defend the Constituion, believes that constituion to be a hindrance to his ideology, then we have a real problem.
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read the commerce clause
rep2009 31st Mar 2010
The Constitution was broken by government in the late 1920s. The country was in a depression, and government felt the need to provide for every living individual via Social Security, WPA, TVA, and most every other executive agency since. The Supreme Court repeatedly struck down attempts to create these agencies via the commerce clause. Eventually, Roosevelt threatened to pack the supreme court with 10 new members, all determined to pry open the commerce clause. It worked... Now everything from health care to desegregation has been passed under the commerce clause, and it is sort of hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube. I have a better saying, but this blog does maintain some restrictions on speech...
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Griswold v. Connecticut
s_souche 30th Mar 2010
in Griswold v. Connecticut, 1965 and then Roe v. Wade,
1973, the US Supreme Court recognized that the US constitution protected a right to privacy from
governmental intrusion.
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it did.....
doug.hanchard@... 30th Mar 2010
Watch the lecture. I'm not so sure it would today...

Thanks for writing.
Doug
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A right of privacy is not expressly included in the US Constitution. The justices simply decided there was such a right. Not a bad idea, all things considered, but what one group of justices giveth, another group may taketh away.

We would all be much safer if the Constitution included an explicit mandate for the government to leave citizens alone, absent some compelling need to interfere in our lives.
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Absent some compelling need
Economister 30th Mar 2010
I liked your post, but I think that last half sentence just sunk your argument. Any time the Government invades your privacy, they feel (and the courts may agree) that there is indeed a compelling need. happy
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What about Polution?
satovey@... 30th Mar 2010
Some people believe that they have a right to pollute and that the Government's interference in preventing them from doing so is a violation of their right.

The fact is however, that both the Government and the People have a vested interest in maintaining a clean environment. Clean water, clean air and so on.

As has always been the case, one's rights end where another's rights begins.

Clean air and clean water support ones unalienable right to life.

Pollution however, violates that right.

Thus, one does not have the right to pollute as it violates another's right to life.
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Something to watch
CobraA1 30th Mar 2010
No time now, but this is definitely something I intend to
watch tonight.
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As I said...
doug.hanchard@... 30th Mar 2010
It is worth watching. It offers;

Insight to the Supreme Court's current
thinking.

How the Court debates issues.

That the Justices are human, they are not the
elites many think they are.

Want to a be a lawyer, these two make a
compelling case why it it can be an interesting
career choice.
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RE: Internet vs. US Constitution
dysart 30th Mar 2010
It would seem to me that the point of both schools of thought is that Congress can write some pretty vague laws.

Using the definition of "Cost" example, I agree with Beyers in that it's highly probable that Congress intended the costs of experts to be included, but yet find Scalia's argument persuasive that since the committee report is not apart of the law, you cannot use it to define what is included in the costs allowed by the bill. The proper resolution to the case, while it may provide no satisfaction in the case that was at hand, was to rule as the majority did and then Congress amend the law to include the costs of experts.

In short, the process for fine tuning law cannot be in the courts, with the exception of constitutional or not, but be in Congress amending laws.

Thank you for posting the link to the debate. Very interesting.
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RE: Internet vs. US Constitution
TMANIAC 30th Mar 2010
Antonin Scalia makes his opponent look weak and simple minded.

Then again so are people on the left, birds of a feather and all that.
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Oh Please... Sigh
michaelmombourquette 31st Mar 2010
Can't we have a good conversation on the merits of such things without some *()&()* slipping in a generalized insult somewhere?

Sigh That's just so sad.
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That would require:
satovey@... 31st Mar 2010
Simple minded people to refrain from posting.
happy
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Assumption should be for privacy
Thor ins Digri 30th Mar 2010
Despite the expectation of privacy rule, which would tend to lean the other direction in the case of most Internet conversation, I believe email and social media can be a non-public area; the assumption should be made that the discourse was meant to be private. Now if the government wants to demonstrate facts and argue that the conversation was on a website that purposefully granted read privileges to unidentified, non-member browsers and that the user in question had all privacy settings for the account disabled or set to allow everyone (a non-exclusive list of users) to read and/or access the data, then a judge or jury could decide whether the data was "meant" to be private; but until someone successfully argues the negative point, all communications should be private from a governmental standpoint. Yet, even with privacy assumed, it should still be possible with appropriate due process for this private information to be used by the government, not to squelch the free speech or expose the secrets of an individual, but to prosecute a demonstrable crime. The trick is "who controls due process." Somewhere along the way, the our government forgot that it was created to protect and serve the people, and began to protect and serve itself. They are not the same thing.
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Re: Assumption should be for privacy
bb_apptix 30th Mar 2010
> "I believe email and social media can be a non-public area"

Huh?

If I don't know you, and I can read your commments in a public Internet space, then that cannot "be a non-public area".

Unless you have explicitly prevented others from reading your comments in social media, and the social media host allows your full privacy, your comments are made in a public arena.
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The real issue is Judges v. Technology
akritchie 30th Mar 2010
The United States Constitution is a robust document that was designed specifically to handle a world that the founders knew would change over time. The real question is whether our judiciary can adapt and begin to understand the internet even as it so quickly changes and redefines society. The courts are responsible for interpreting the constitution in light of the society in which it exists. If our judiciary remains technologically challenged, then interpretations of our Constitution will remain so. Once judges become adapted to technology (or younger judges eventually move onto the bench), then opinions will more accurately reflect the technology used in our lives today.

It is not a perfect system. Its biggest flaw lies in its molasses-like slowness to adapt. But that slowness has a benefit in that by the time a court does speak, it can do so with some clarity of thought on the subject because it has had the time to think.
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Well said
Economister 30th Mar 2010
I also agree that the constitution has to be somewhat dynamic rather then static, to adapt to a changing society. Many on the right would disagree however.
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Did you watch the video?
doug.hanchard@... 30th Mar 2010
One of debating points was if the Constitution is a living document instead of a static one.

It was well argued from different points of view.
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Did not have time.
Economister 30th Mar 2010
I just know it is an ongoing debate, particularly when the Senate is about to confirm new Supreme Court judges.
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RE: Internet vs. US Constitution
Winston1874 30th Mar 2010
The constitution, is a framework for laws to be tested against - and for that reason it is relatively static. The body of case law that surrounds individual points is the "living" part of the legal system - it allows current issues and processes to be interpreted from the basic fundamentals in the Constitution. When case law (individual decisions or a body as a whole - as in the case of the equal rights movement of the 60s) stays off course - either the Supreme Court and/or the legislators are to step in and redirect it.

Time can change perceptions and even cause ammendments to be inserted and then later repealed (Prohibition), but the original framework continues to stand the test of time.

The biggest change that caused so much trouble in politics was the Seventeenth Amendment with revoked the rule of having state legislators choose their Senators. When that was the rule to follow, the Senators truely represented the wishes of their state and "party politics" had a far smaller influence than it has today. This was a fundamental change that I believe is behind most of the political in-fighting today. Populist issues (party line) wins out over minority state rights / desires. States were not meant to be local agencies of the federal government, but equal partners in a confederation of peers. Having lost this distinction between federal / state / and individual rights and responsibilities is why many people attack the electoral college, etc. But I digress...
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RE: Internet vs. US Constitution
dionesius3@... Updated - 30th Mar 2010
While many wish to maintain that the Constitution is a "Living" document, it is not, in fact it is a truely "static" document due to the fact that the Framers our founding father's intended the document to be that way.

There can be NO issue which falls outside the scope of the document. Either the Constitution enumerates the power of the Government or it Limits the power of government. And there is no issue or situation which can be framed outside these boundaries.

Although I recognize that my position is neither "popular" nor is it "Favored" at the present. It is still the only "logical" way that one can view the issue.

Did the framers intend the document to be a "Living" one? If so they could have easily worded and structured the document in such a manner.

Or did they know that in the future there would be those whom like our present President would believe the document to be a "hinderance" to good government. And if they did foresee this then they chose to structure the document in such a way that in order to carry out these aims a President would have to follow a pre-set method to remove that which they saw as a "hinderance".

Hmmm...

I wonder.....
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Hinderance to Good Government
SpectreWriter 2nd Apr 2010
I'm curious as to where you find the President saying any such thing. Your extrapolation is clearly biased, so unless you can quote him specifically and clearly saying anything remotely like that, it'd be best if you kept your anti-Obama sentiments to yourself, stuck with the facts.

I'm not in love with every move the man makes, but I'm not being blinded by personal politics either. The Obama haters are becoming more than a little annoying in their lack of respect for ways other than their own.

It seems to me that the last president, GWB, held far less respect for the Constitution, was all too eager to ignore its protections and usurp powers he was never intended to have. Where were the supposed lovers of freedom when THAT power-grab was going on? Oh, yeah... busy hating the terrible A-rabs in Eye-rack that had (NOT) attacked the U.S. on 9-11 -- the same people who were still insisting there were WMDs hidden somewhere over there, some 4 years later. Now that we know where the WMDs are (Iran, Iraq's enemy) it seems that we've done their job for them by ousting the "evil dictator." Well done, Dittoheads! You managed to emasculate our Constitution AND aid our enemies in less than 2 terms in office. Unlike the anti-Obama sentiment allegations, though, we really can peg the so-called Homeland Security raping of our Constitution directly to the White House.

Is the Constitution fluid? Certainly, it can be. But (and in this one way, you are correct,) it would seem our government was designed to be stable, for changes to happen slowly, not mercurially, to allow for a smooth transition of power, etc. We can agree on that much... but leave the Obama bashing out of it, okay?
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The laws are fine as is.
pcguy777 Updated - 30th Mar 2010
As long as your not a govt, or big data mining company who could get paid big money to farm every last detail about your life.
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Not just no, but HELL NO
hiraghm@... 30th Mar 2010
Not just no, but hell no.

The framework set down in the Constitution was built upon the simplest, most basic principles, so that it covers all contingencies.

There's a saying that figures don't lie, but liars can figure. So to, there are those who would pretend that, simply because it's 223 years old, the Constitution is somehow "outdated", as if people have somehow changed in the past 6,000 years.

The freedom of speech does not specify only certain venues of speech, or certain types of speech. It prohibits the federal government.

The 5th Amendment is worded clearly to require a judge to have probable cause before issuing a warrant. We have a right to be secure in our papers, whether they be on wood pulp or electrons.

The complexity only comes about by the machinations of the power-hungry, who feel the need to control people's behavior, usually for "their own good" or worse, "the common good". It is not the Constitution that is outdated, it is that the thinking of these people is not compatible with a nation founded upon the principles of individual liberty.

They look for exceptions or special circumstances to change the application of what the Constitution says, and then they try to extrapolate that (usually misapplied) exception to a general rule, resulting in a circumvention of the Bill of Rights. It's as if they totally reject Franklin's admonition that those who would surrender essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Like children consider their parents, modern people, be they 8 or 80, seem to think their forebears were dumb. In point of fact, they were much smarter than we are, on average.

The Founding Fathers analyzed and studied government from the Constitution of Solon, through the Roman Republic, right on up to the British commonwealth of their day, and they set down a body of principles based upon that knowledge. A body of principles based upon Man's nature, and with an acknowledgment that an individual's life is his alone, answering to no one but his own conscience and his Creator.

That is the flaw of the socialist philosophies that have plagued Man for centuries. They each invent an ideal human nature, and envision an ideal society, both of which require each individual to not only conform to the ideals of the conceived society, but fit in the mold of the ideal they conceived for the individual.

Instead of just enough law to keep the nation from falling apart, or falling victim to tyranny (either internal or external), the people of this mindset slap on restriction upon regulation, futilely trying to force humanity into their mold as one might try to squeeze a handful of water.

These are the people who pose questions such as "Is the Constitution capable of keeping up?" As if the transitory changes that have been wrought upon our Republic supersede the fundamental principles expressed in that document.
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Bravo!
turbinepilot 31st Mar 2010
I was about to post a similar line of reasoning but you beat me to it. Nicely done.
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right to privacy
rep2009 31st Mar 2010
If you have a conversation in a open room, with other people present, there should be no expectation of privacy. If you are in your basement, then yes you do have an expectation of privacy. The analogies on the internet are talking in blogs, versus sending an encrypted email. Just because someone (a government) can crack an email does not make it legitimate to do so. That is why the government cannot tap your telephone without a warrant. Any violations simply excludes any evidence that might have been obtained.
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Modern Times vs. US Constitution
Juergen Hartl 30th Mar 2010
A set of documents written predominantly 200+ years ago
can not and are not adequate for our modern times, except
for fundamental human rights. What was right and needed
200 years ago, must not be true today, and what is needed
today, was not even imaginable then. The discussion about
privacy is just a small picture of the problems.
I think it is time for Constitution 2.0
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Who would write it?
hiraghm@... 30th Mar 2010
The illiterate, barbaric, self-indulgent children passing themselves off as adults today?

Article 1: Gimme!

Article 2: I have the right to have what I want!

Article 3: Whaaaaaa!

Article 4: Everybody should be nice and stuff.

Article 5: War is bad, so no going to war unless everybody on the planet says we can.

Article 6: Money is bad. If you have money, you should give it away. If you don't give it away, it can be taken from you and given away.

Article 7: Everybody who wants a job should have a job.

Article 8: If someone doesn't want to have a job, they should be paid to do whatever it is they do want to do.

Article 9: Gasoline is bad. People should be required to buy Segways. If they can't afford a Segway, some evil rich person should have to buy them one. And stuff.

Article 10: Dude! We got 10 Articles! Ran out of fingers.

Article 11: Money in online video games is no different than real money. So you can pay your utility bill in Platinums or Rune. If the utlity company doesn't take Platinums or Rune, they should, like, go to jail. Or something.

A piece of technology doesn't change fundamental human truths. The principles embodied in the original Constitution are not changed simply because the man who read the Decameron on his way out to plow his field has been replaced with a moronic female who drives in the wrong lane while texting her BFF.
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RE: Internet vs. US Constitution
Sodbuster41 30th Mar 2010
We have the process of amendation, which is done not by the federal government, but by the people in the several States. Anything beyond that is breach of contract and illegal.

The Constitution, it's not just a good idea. It's the law.
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One of the examples..
doug.hanchard@... 30th Mar 2010
Justice Antonin Scalia made was that very point. If the Constitution isn't working, change it via an Amendment.

Thanks for writing.
Doug
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If the Constitution remains in effect and unchanged it will be labeled a "white" document that is crude at best.

Or...

It will be changed/interpreted by rulings that will show favoritism - Constitutionally backed favoritism for an ethnicity and gender other than white male.
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Explicity forbids
Sodbuster41 30th Mar 2010
The Constitution only delegates specific enumerated rights to the federal government. Therefore, where the government is not authorized to snoop, it may not legally do. The Bill of Rights repeats certain elements in a positive form, that were of particular concern to the 13 States. The 9th and 10th Amendments make it clear yet again that the federal government only has the specific powers and duties delegated to it in the Constitution. Any exercise of federal power beyond that is illegal and of no force of law (though they do have guns).
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(though they do have guns)
satovey@... 31st Mar 2010
As do the people.
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There is nothing sacred to PBHO. No oath, no religion, no document, and no people.

What about Sotomayor? I remember hearing a quote of hers where she stated she can offer better judgments that some old white guy - or something to that effect.

What a outward demonstration of bigoted piety she has for her "better-than-yours" ethnicity.

In purposed engineering, an implement is designed to accomplish a task. While design flaws can be planned for, the device won?t be fool proof. The Constitution is just such a device. It works fine went fools aren?t allowed to run it.

Imagine a hospital where patients decide they know better than the doctors, nurses, and management. The patients get angry, violent, and threatening. The caring responsible providers and managers back off and eventually find themselves outside the hospital ? watching the patients run it. How long would that hospital last? I rest my case.

Wait, maybe I'm an old white guy! Maybe I'm confused. I'm being told I have some real issues I need to work through - and being told to get out of the way.
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birumut Updated - 3rd May 2011
Well done! Thank you very much for professional templates and community edition
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