Is China gearing up to start World War III?

By | September 7, 2010, 7:47am PDT

Summary: America’s relationship with China is a fascinating look at dysfunctional geopolitics.

Back in the day, I sailed on a couple of Pacific cruises with the USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70). A special shout-out to my shipmates on the Chuck Boat.

America’s relationship with China is a fascinating look at dysfunctional geopolitics.

On an economic level, our fortunes are tightly intertwined. As far back as 18 months ago, I reported about how, while China is America’s largest creditor — and we’re their largest market — China also been developing modified Dong Feng 21 missiles capable of extremely long flight. The potential of threat to Americans and American interests certainly didn’t go unnoticed by our government.

China has also shown itself to be a cybersecurity threat on both the industrial and military fronts. China has conducted numerous penetration tests against U.S. computer systems and networks.

We also know that China has a relatively active, organized cybercriminal community, with large groups of people conducting phishing attacks against Americans. Of course, the People’s Republic of China (mainland China) isn’t the only China phishing on Americans, so is the Republic of China, better known these days as Taiwan.

But it’s the PRC that concerns us most. There are a few important things to keep in mind when you think about mainland China — and if you don’t think about Zhōnghuá Rénmín Gònghéguó, it’s time you started.

The first thing to think about is the country’s amazing population. China has 1.3 billion people, more than four times America’s population. China gives birth to more babies each year than Canada has people — and that’s after China’s incredibly draconian jìhuà shengyù zhèngcè policy, the policy where China only allows one child per family.

The second thing you need to know is that China has become an economic powerhouse, growing its GDP by about 10% per year. This year, China blew past Japan to become the world’s second largest individual economy, after the U.S.

China also consumes a tremendous amount of energy. In How To Save Jobs I did some mathematical modeling and showed that China’s cows, alone, will be consuming more than one seventh of the world’s oil supplies within 10 years. Just their cows. That’s not counting what their 1.3 billion people need.

There’s more. I wrote:

China consumes slightly more than we do, at about 2.6 billion tons of go-juice. What makes China particularly interesting is that they’re consuming more and more each year. While our demand increases only 0.34% annually, China’s demand is increasing at 8.68%. Even the rate of increase is increasing. Back in 2000, China’s demand only increased by 2.46%.

I did a lot more math in How To Save Jobs, but one calculation stood out. China has made it a national priority to push more and more of its citizens into a middle class. But if China manages to “middle class” most of its citizens, China alone would then consume 10.1 billion tons of oil equivalent per year, or 78% of the world’s total output.

If India were to grow at the same rate (and India is growing fast, as well), China and India combined would consume 1.5 times the world’s total energy supply. In other words, those two countries, alone, will need more oil that the world actually has. This could be a problem.

The Chinese government is aware of all of this. The more they build, the more they consume. This is why China has become frenemies with the United States. We provide a market for their goods and a source of money for all that energy they consume.

But there’s one more important fact about China you should know. China absolutely hates that Taiwan isn’t part of the PRC. They absolutely, viscerally hate that the United States has been defending Taiwan and has been standing in their way to repatriate Taiwan, to bring Taiwanese citizens under mainland control.

In fact, to many PRC government minds, Taiwan is now part of mainland China. It’s just that America is blocking their rightful governance.

So, put it all together. China has four times our population. They have an economy going gangbusters, but will likely need more oil than exists on the planet, and they have an irrational anger at us for our role in keeping Taiwan out of their clutches. Plus, we owe them trillions of dollars.

It makes for a potent and volatile cocktail, doesn’t it?

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China never stops
johnnyphan 17th May
China is speading & empowering themself over the world. i think it will never stop China, because that matter has been in their mind over the human being history. They wanted to conquered the world anyway. Vietnam, Phillipinese, Korea, Taiwan,...because of closing China, Actually, China will never let them be there. We could see how China Communist has treated with Tibet until now.
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Stick to being a geek until you've read some history. Your country's history of invading countries around the world makes the PRC look like the Vienna Boy's Choir by comparison. If anyone is likely to start WW3, my money's on the U.S. Heed ubergeek Einstein's warning: "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
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Whatever
People 7th Sep 2010
@paul@...

You are full of BS if you don't back up what you claim.
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@People
I believe he has, and you haven't. USA is the most powerful, most widely endorsed, and most widely acclaimed terrorist in human history.
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spoken like a true idiot
Johnny Vegas Updated - 7th Sep 2010
liberation and invasion are very different things. you dont invade unless you plan to occupy and retain. it costs too much in both political and real capitol to take only to give back. Every country we've liberated we left a better place and germany, japan korea, vietnam, kuwait, the balkans, and now iraq and afghanistan have all begged us to stay long after
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Yes Johnny,
People 7th Sep 2010
@Johnny Vegas

However those facts will fall on deaf ears. Always does.
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@Johnny Vegas... Spoken like a true neo-con.

During the Revolutionary War, did France come in and say "oh here, let me liberate you from King George? No, the Colonies and the continental congress requested the assistance.

The Iraqi people made no such request, we just felt the need to stick our nose in where it doesn't belong, kicked over the hornets nest, and now they want us to stay for the next decade, fueling their rebuilding with American Capital.

By all means go in and kill Osama, and wipe out Al Queda if we can, but don't take it upon ourselves to restructure other countries governments, no matter how much we may disagree.

And last I checked Germany with the Axis Powers started WW1 & 2, we didn't liberate, we decimated Japan with the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Time to go back to school and relearn your history.
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Not quite
People 7th Sep 2010
@JM

I have video footage of Iraqi people asking for help. Before, during, and after the Kurds were gassed. Just because Saddam and his Baath party didn't ask for help does not make our efforts there pointless or wrong.
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@Johnny Vegas

Don't count mine (Dominican Republic) as one of those as you say. And we have been invaded 2 times by the USA.
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better places for true idiots?
VMeier 8th Sep 2010
@Johnny Vegas
If you had ever lived in an occupied country, you could understand how ridiculous your statement sounds "Every country we've liberated we left a better place..." (..similiar things have been told to us by Adolf in former times..)
and "germany, japan, korea, vietnam, kuwait, the balkans, and now iraq and afghanistan have all begged us to stay long after". As I remember Japan suffered a nuclear attack, Germany was a divided country, Korea is still a divided country, the balkan states are now diveded countries after 40 years of peace between so much ethnic groups, Vietnam was a great flop for the US and begged for nothing, not even reparations. And what happens with Iraq and Afghanistan is in my opinion a tragedy and an outrageous injustice.
And if you say they begged us to stay long after, what the heck do you expect from vassals governments? They always are begging the invaders to stay longer. While our government in West Germany begged the US to stay, the government in East Germany begged the Russians to stay. Neither the one nor the other has been the will of the people. What happens, if you try to fool a nation for years or decades?
I can tell you: they are still waiting for someone from their own ranks who tells them that he will give them back their dignity. The end of the story is very well known.
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It's ironic, isn't it, that our strongest allies ...
mwagner@... Updated - 8th Sep 2010
@Johnny Vegas ... are those we defeated in W.W.II (Japa and Germany). We liberated france and they have no use for us.

I disgree about Iraq and Afghanistan. Not because of our intentions but because of the fact that neither the people of Iraq nor the people of Afghanistan have the WILL to throw off their shackles. (The Soviet Union fell because the Poles said NO MORE! The Iron Curtain fell because the Germans said NO MORE!)

No population can truly be oppressed against their will!

There were not enough people in the Chinese army to have stopped the Tianemen Square uprisings had the population understood the power they had within reach. In the end, the economics of capitalism will liberate them, just the same.
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@Johnny Vegas

also Haiti, Guam, Puerto Rico, Panama, the Philippines... does it count if they're "occupied"? In that case, Philippines again, France, Kosovo, Mexico. How far back are we going? On the list of invaded but did not improve, Cuba, Florida, and Canada? Not that we had anything against Canada; we just wanted to stick it to England.
@Johnny Vegas :

Did you like the kool-aid they served at indoctrination school?

If you care, you could read Eduardo Galeano's "The open Veins of Latin America" and get a bit more informed with the perspective from the invaded side.

http://www.monthlyreview.org/books/openveinslatinamerica.php

Trivia question: How many countries has the US liberated by imposing dictators friendly to US interests? (you can count Iraq, before Sadam turned on them).
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@Johnny Vegas
What an out & out muppet you are. I'm sure the vietnamese begged you to stay. Admit it idiot, they whoopped your arse good and propper.
@JM1981

Really? The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed 1 in 10 of Japan's population? That after all is what to decimate means -- an old fashioned Roman idea of punishment where you executed 10% of the group. Hmmm.. 135,000 deaths says total population of Japan at the time of bombings was 1 million, 350 thousand. Oddly, population numbers from that era suggest a population more in the 80 million mark. Oh, and don't forget that quite a few of the casualties were Korean slave labourers.

Perhaps you should mention the bombing of Tokyo with conventional weapons on Mar. 9010, 1945 in which 100,000 civilians died. This comes close to matching the total deaths from Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

You might also want to ask what the total numbers of deaths -- both Allied and Japanese -- would have been had the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki not occurred?

Or perhaps moving on to Europe, the number of deaths from the firebombing of Dresden. But, hey, that wasn't nukes so you would have no problems with that.
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@Johnny Vegas
You talk more rubbish than the drunken bum by the same name. The sad thing is you probably believe this tripe you've written. Germany was never under occupation to be liberated and I doubt if the others were either (apart from kuwait) but can't be bothered to look into it.

Why do Americans feel the need to instill their brand of economic politics around the world? Why can't others just live under their own values and sort themselves out?
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@Johnny Vegas
I'd tickle myself to laughter at your stupidity, weren't it for the fact that you symbolize the average American. You morons actually think you're god's gift to the world. you've NEVER liberated any darn country or people. If the ****'d not attacked Pearl Harbour, you wouldn't have even been in WW II.
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RE: Is China gearing up to start World War III?
linuxoid Updated - 8th Sep 2010
@Johnny Vegas
Yeah, Hitler was also "liberating" Europe from Jews, Russians, Polish... Now Pindostan (aka USA) are "liberating" the rest of the world, which, thanks to them, will end pretty soon.

No other country used so much nuclear (Japan, Iraq, Yugoslavia), biological (Cuba) and chemical (Vietnam) weapons as Pindostan did.

Check your facts, you democratic moron. In Iraq alone, more than 1 million people died due to "liberation' as opposed to only a couple of thousand with Saddam.
@Johnny Vegas,

I don't think so. You need to read your history better.

Germany, WWI was left bankrupt which lead to the rise of Hitler and WWII. WWII left Germany as fractured country split with families on one side separated from those on the other. Hardly better place.

Japan was nuked. Hardly a better place

Korea, still at war today under cease fire. Not a better place.

Vietnam was huge failure and the place suffers from unexploded armaments to this day. Unknown explosive mines still kill people Not a better place.

Kuwait and the Balkans I agree, better place.

Iraq not so much.

Afghanistan, well they aren't beheading girls in stadiums now for reading a book. I'd say better place.

3 out 7 is not good rating. That loses you the Cup in hockey.

Of course I'm not saying these wars aren't justified. Just that war doesn't leave a country a better place.
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Easy to dismiss your statements
myles@... 7th Sep 2010
@paul@... Your lack of respect for anyone, clear lack of manners or etiquette means any words you spew out through your keyboard is wasted, pointless and has no merit. Nice waste of your time.
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@myles@...

I must have misread Paul as it comes across very well. Where are any of the failings you allege of him? As for a waste of his time... we've all taken time to respond hence a very good use of his time.

Sometimes the truth can be hard to take.
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@paul@...

Yeah, like we invaded Tunisia and Italy and France and Japan and Germany to free the rest of you despots from your fellows.
influence your thoughts. If you learn to discard your emotions and instead use logic, you would quickly realize just how incorrect your statement is, and would be able to post more factual statements.
plain
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@paul@... im not sure why people think this is completely out there. we have no business in Iraq. anyone who thinks otherwise has been duped. and judging by the "US media", its sounding more and more likely that our government is planning to invade Iran next. and if oil isnt the primary factor in all these wars, well, i have a bridge i want to sell to you. and i think the whole idea of China having to declare a cyberwar on us is laughable. look at every American computer vendor. all their factories are in China (FoxConn anyone?). not only that, China owns the world's supply of lithium. whats to stop them from selling to the US? and lets say the US does invade Iran, the entire Asian continent will go into panic that they might be next. and alliances will be formed as a result. the last thing we need is, despite their border issues, giving China and India a reason to ally themselves against us. the US has just about enough manpower and technology to take on 1 billion people. but 2 billion people is another story altogether.
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@truthiness79 Iraq was invaded for the oil - hence the bush admin ... forget who either RumF or Cheny stating that the US will be there for 100 years...just enough time to deplete the Iraqi oil reservse. Freedom? Forget it Ladies and Gentlemen...it's the OIL
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Our HISTORY of invading countries???
mwagner@... 8th Sep 2010
@paul@... 70 years ago, we LIBERATED all of Europe. After Hitler INVADED. We also LIBERATED much of the Pacific after Japan INVADED.

Sure, we made mistakes. Trying to to liberate Vietnam - after the French capitulated (again) was a mistake. So was Iraq and Afghanistan.

But regardless of how we are perceived, our hearts are in the right place. We view ourselves as liberators while the rest of the world ignores the brutality of regimes who would suppress their own people.

The only invasions we have taken part of since have been to depose dictators. Granted, some were ill-advised but they were not in order to conquer territory.
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Yes, your history....
snberk341 Updated - 8th Sep 2010
@mwagner@...

Actually, you helped to liberate Europe.... there were some other countries involved too you know. The UK, Canada, Australia, Free French, Free Norwegians (iirc), Soviet Union, and I'm sure a few others. The US was also late to the game.

And not quite all of Europe was occupied.... again, thanks to efforts of other countries.

The Pacific theatre was similar to Europe. Not all of it was occupied, and there were other countries involved way before the US got involved.

Invasion of Mexico. Invasion of Cuba. Invasion of the Philippines. Invasion of Canada (which has the honour of being the first country the US Continental Army marched against.) More than once we have repelled the Yankee invaders, too.

Etc Etc

Forgot a few: Invasion of Panama, Invasion of Hawaii (OK, technically an annexation), Invasion of just about everything west of the Mississippi, Did the US invade Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands - or did they come as the spoils of invading something else?
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Yes you...
ColdFusion_z Updated - 8th Sep 2010
@mwagner@...

"But regardless of how we are perceived, our hearts are in the right place. We view ourselves as liberators while the rest of the world ignores the brutality of regimes who would suppress their own people. "

First off this sounds like "We don't care what others think...we know we're right". Trust us...this is how the world sees the US.

Second...The US setup some of the regimes you speak of.

Check the history books (you know....the ones written OUTSIDE the US). You'll be surprised what facts you'll find.

Your own friggin government trained and funded Osama to fight Russians. Y'all get a great big attaboy for that one!

The planet doesn't want your "help"...
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@ColdFusion_z
Wow...I edited my post and suddenly it's reported as SPAM.

Ahh ZDNet....way to uphold free speech!!
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It is sad
rarsa 8th Sep 2010
@mwagner@... It is sad to see that you just learn one part of history.

The US has routinely invaded other countries, whether directly or indirectly to protect their interests. It has imposed more dictators than it has deposed. Care to check the history of Latin America this century?

Sadam was supported by the US. The Taliban was supported by the US. Noriega was supported by the US. It is only when the dictators turn against American interests that the US "liberates". These are just three examples you may know about but there are many others.
@mwagner@...
You should read the real History about WWII, not the Western propaganda you are accustomed to.
I can't believe how ignorant people really are, with regard to the impact of the so called "Liberation" roles, of the respective countries who fought in the war.
If the Soviets didn't press so hard on the eastern front, the Germans were well capable of pushing back the Normandy invasion, by allocating more supplies, personnel and equipment to the West. Even so, they (Germans) still made it very hard for the Western Alied forces to advance, and on some occasions even counterattacked.

"WE LIBERATED ALL OF EUROPE" - how typical of the underachievers (or bullies if you wish) to proclaim such heressy. The Russians, who fought most of the war, and turned the tides in it, never boast about how they won the war or liberated anyone. The one who cries louder, is not always telling the truth.
Every country you leave (considering you stand for USA), remains in ruins in all aspects, including politically.
Perhaps you should visit the countries after the so called "LIBERATION" and see for yourself what remains behind!
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@mwagner@... You did't liberate all of Europe.
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@paul@...

I find your lak in faith in the military industrial complex disturbing.

All they need is cash. And to get the cash flowing we need a new enemy since the war in Iraq seems to go down the drain.

But don't worry, we will figure something out to get those billions.
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@paul@...

I worry when the yanks start talking about liberation... most of the outspoken ones couldn't put a pin on a map close to Chine, Taiwan, France etc.

Lets be serious here... US funded parts of Europe during WW2 not through some libertarian policies but purely financial. Payback came after the war in terms of Rocket Science.. maybe it hurts to accept that German technology and knowledge was what put the man on the moon. US money but German intelligence. Then there was the jet engine kindly donated by the Bitish. I'd say the US has done nicely overall.

Why would a dominant power decide to invade it's biggest market? That makes no sense. The only sense here would be for the US to liberate China for whatever reason they could invent at the time.

Better to stick to technical matters I think. Politics and personal oppinions are rarely good subjects in a technical forum. Why are we even discussing this?
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@GetReal-mac.com Wow! Ok Euro-trash, the US funded a huge portion of WWII and assuming your a Brit, a lot of British defense, munitions, supplies, food etc. If we weren't in the war, do you think that the British and French (brave as they may have been) would ever have pulled off an invasion, let alone a victory? Yes, Russia suffered the most, but let's face it Stalin was a pig and fought the war via human sacrifice.

Re: technology, rocket science and jet aircraft were simultaneously being developed buy almost every Allied and Axis power. Yes, we brought them all together to great success . . . so what?

China will not invade the US, they will be USSR redux, they will invade Taiwan a free democratic republic, they will threaten neighbors. They will manipulate countries, why did Japan invade China and SE Asia? Oil, Rubber, Tin etc.

Plus, why would China ever invade the US? It doesn't have to when Obama the Great Emasculator is President.
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@paul@... Nice way to hijack a thread right off the start. The issue isn't US history (which, for a super-power, is mighty benign, in spite of a few lapses, especially pre-super-power days).

The issue is China. You may not have noticed, but the US is a democracy and China a despotic dictatorship which, for example, uses the organs of political prisoners for transplants for its wealthy and powerful. China is a malevolent power, the US only dangerous when it blunders.

So grow a bit of historical perspective, stick your anti-US hate where the sun doesn't shine, and learn how the world works!
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seems like america is the one gearing up for world war 3, given the u.s. activity in pakistan right now, as well as overthrowing Chinese allies such as Libya, Sudan, and others. the u.s. also has China surrounded militarily with about 20,000 troops each in south korea, and japan. the u.s. has also been known to stir trouble in india, and viet nam. let's also look at the track record of the u.s. and violent military interventions as well as the innocent numbers who have died and suffered under u.s. occupation.
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Why fight?
Richard Flude Updated - 7th Sep 2010
A country that no longer believes in anything but apologising will fight china for what?

Why would they fight against the country that supplies them goods and credit?

Freedom is no longer popular in the USA, beyond talk. This will be much to the detriment of those, like myself, that believe in this principle. The battle has been lost, the voter have voted for spin and decline. Enjoy;-)
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Read Future Trends...
justthinking 7th Sep 2010
...and get a clue. Historical invasions were based on territory...dirt...so the US's history was about getting and/or keeping territory for strategic purposes. The coming global conflagration will absolutely be about energy and it will absolutely be centered in the far east (China and India) as they will be needing that energy more so than anyone else on the planet.
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This is the way...
becabill Updated - 8th Sep 2010
@justthinking ...that all nations have behaved since the beginning of time. Read *your* history as regards ancient Egypt, Assyria, Greece, Rome, Even France, Of course England, Spain, CHINA, name your poison. All served what they considered their OWN best interest. All invaded others and all were invaded by others. At least we have, at least of late, considered a modicum of human rights in our activities, though that has not always proven to have the supposed desired effect. We are NOT the evil empire many of you claim!
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@becabill Torture, even of children
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The problem with your argument
People 7th Sep 2010
I believe falls in logic. If as you claim they will need more resources than what the world can provide for energy, what good would a war be for them and how do they propose to fuel the war. If you are correct that in ten years this will be true, it would be in their best interest to act now, before their abilities are hampered by the lack of fuel.
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@People

Great point. I think the problem is real but the timeline is most likely much farther off than a decade.
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the false assumption that oil reserves are anywhere near being depleted. Colorado has oil shale reserves equivalent to the entire middle eastern deposits. Canada? Something like ten times that amount. Oil from shale is economically feasible at about $80 per barrel. So, why aren't we doing that? Environmentalists. You see, when oil prices started to rise, liberal environazis in Colorado made it illegal to refine oil shale.

In other words, oil shortages are political, not physical.
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RE: Is China gearing up to start World War III?
Jack-Booted EULA 7th Sep 2010
And he goes Godwin, for the win.

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Won't argue with that!
People 7th Sep 2010
@frgough

There is also school of thought that oil is being created at some unknown rate yet faster than we believe.
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@frgough That's the problem with NIMBY people. They want a solution but they not if the area they live in sees the effects. Wind power, but don't put the windmills here where I can see them! Solar power, but not if some lizard is in danger of being vaporized! Hydroelectric, but not if it harms a little fish! Alternative energy, but nothing that disrupts the environment!
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@frgough and other "oil is OK" folks

Even if you are right and the magic oil falls from the sky....we should NOT depend on it.

It is in fact bad for the environment....and alternatives exist.

Why are you all so friggin afraid of change?

Would it be so bad if we could live off alternate sources of energy with little or no impact on our daily lives?

Shake your heads. It's not who's right, it's WHAT IS RIGHT
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@frgough

... you need water to extract it. Lots and lots of water. I don't believe your figure of the extent of the holdings (cite a source, eh?) but .... even if it existed it would require more water than could be provided. Well, it could be provided if you sucked the major rivers of the west dry and left the population of California die of thirst. I'm sure that $80 barrel cost is assuming 'free' water drawn from rivers, not the cost of actually 'creating' the water they need for themselves (i.e. providing desalination plants for the populations and farmers of California and then sucking the rivers dry. Cheaper to do that than to move ocean water across the Rockies, and then dealing with the brine and salt buildup since you also need to heat the water to steam temperatures before pumping it into the ground.
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Timing, timing, timing
myles@... 7th Sep 2010
I suspect that the one dimension that hasn't been established (nor could it be) is the potential invention of a new fuel source that could come in the next 10 years or so. If someone invents a self-perpetuating fuel source, then is there really anything to be concerned about? China clearly has a lot of land, and if it needs more I'd suggest it will look to its western borders for that.
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China never stops
johnnyphan 17th May
China is speading & empowering themself over the world. i think it will never stop China, because that matter has been in their mind over the human being history. They wanted to conquered the world anyway. Vietnam, Phillipinese, Korea, Taiwan,...because of closing China, Actually, China will never let them be there. We could see how China Communist has treated with Tibet until now.

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