Is the boom in kiddie porn a Net effect or is 'victimless' behavior unduly punished?
Summary: The Internet was one termed a "cult machine" and that may appear to be the case with child pornography. It was almost snuffed out in the domain of mail order and adult book shops but with the Internet it is a huge, sprawling blight on society, seemingly ever-growing.
The Internet was one termed a "cult machine" and that may appear to be the case with child pornography. It was almost snuffed out in the domain of mail order and adult book shops but with the Internet it is a huge, sprawling blight on society, seemingly ever-growing. According to the Washington Post:
The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children's CyberTipline received about 4,500 reports of children being victimized it its first year, 1998. This year the center, which works closely with law enforcement officials, has collected nearly 100,000 reports, more than 75 percent for online child pornography.

And it's not just sheer numbers but also the extremity, the severity of the imagery.
"You can't wrap your brain around what we're talking about here," said Bonnie S. Greenberg, a prosecutor in the U.S. attorney's office in Maryland. "We're not talking about a 16-year-old who looks like she could be 19. We're seeing prepubescent children who are being raped, babies, toddlers being tied up."
It's not just that the Internet has fed an appetite for child pornography; it's also that the images have become a larger and larger focus for law enforcement. And some are questioning whether consumption of images without action -- or even proof that viewing kiddie porn leads people to child abuse should even be a crime.
"Sending people to prison for five or 10 or 15 years for looking at pictures is killing an ant with a sledgehammer," said Peter Greenspun, who defended Charles Rust-Tierney, the former ACLU head sentenced to seven years in prison for downloading hundreds of images. "These people are being put on sex-offender registries, they are being ostracized from the community, for looking at pictures."
Just what is the connection? The Postal Inspection Service found only a third of people convicted of kidde porn charges had also committed child abuse. But a much smaller study of inmates in North Carolina found 85% overlap between the two groups.
"There are a large group of individuals whose lives and families are absolutely being devastated because they looked at these images," said Fred Berlin, a psychiatrist who runs the National Institute for the Study, Prevention and Treatment of Sexual Trauma, affiliated with Johns Hopkins University. "They had absolutely no idea how severe the consequences would be and had no interest in doing anything other than viewing images."
I am really split on this: I think kiddie porn is NOT victimless, because children clearly have been victimized and the thought of people stroking to images of kids, knowing they've been victimized and not caring, is upsetting. On the other hand, the involvement of the person being prosecuted is really indirect and the consequences are so harsh. Isn't this a case of people being punished for "thinking bad thoughts"? With law enforcement focused on child porn, there might be an allure-of-forbidden-fruit going on, too. Finally, I'm not sure that the prosecutions are drying up the market; perhaps resources are better spent nailing the people who actually are harming the kids, rather than the demand-side?
There's a net addiction aspect here, too. There's no way that guy would have collected 1.5 million images in the offline world: the Net makes it possible to just keep going and going. But the mental health world ignores the syndrome and addictive behavior goes untreated, kids continue to be victimized and relatively harmless offenders are harshly punished.
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If the demand is choked
If it's about economics
So eliminating demand doesn't really do away with the problem it just hides it. If suddenly child porn wasn't available on the net I strongly suspect abuse of children would still continue same as before.
The only economic stand point I see is criminal websites operators profiting off the abuse of children. Eliminate that profit and the abuse still continues.
RE: Is the boom in kiddie porn a Net effect or is 'victimless' behavior und
there is no ambiguity and it is NOT victimless
Viewing child porn creates a demand for the content ....
This has worked well in the drug war too.
There's another question here. If viewing these images is a crime then how is law enforcement able to press charges without commiting the crime themselves? It's kind of like busting the prositute [b]after[/b] the cop has had sex with her or busting the drug dealer [b]after[/b] using the drugs. These are both a no-no for law enforcement.
It's possesion not the viewing
Remember the Temp folder
The net result? It's viewing that becomes the crime. I belive that Pete Townsend (The Who) got in trouble just this way.
I don't think it works that way
The one positive thing about child porn on the net is criminals are stupid. Their trading in the abuses of children is like hanging out a sign saying arrest me. How much abuse would never be caught if the traffic in pictures like this was never available. I'd think it would be like the pre-internet days when we just didn't know it was happening and live in blissful ignorance of the whole thing.
So we catch a few voyeurs in the process. What's the harm? They are sickos anyways and if there is only 33% chance of them offending I'd rather see 66% who wouldn't harm locked up to protect us from the 33%.
Relatively harmless offenders?
If you go hunting for this kind of thing to get off on the sick images then there is something seriously wrong with you (and I do not mean YOU specifically). It is kind of like someone just sitting there and watching someone get the shinola beat out of them without doing anything about it. There are laws in certain states for that kind of thing. No, you don't necessarily have to jump in the middle and get yourself hurt but most people know how to dial 9-1-1.
This kind of thing would still be out there to some degree even if people did not go looking for it BUT there wouldn't be so much of it.
So no, I do not think the people who go out and view this kind of thing with the sole purpose of getting off on it are harmless. They are an integral part of the problem. And just because they were not the person who actually did this to the child doesn't meant that they are not guilty of a crime. Maybe they should not have as stiff of a punishment as the ACTUAL offender but they should still be punished. Maybe my opinion is clouded because I am a parent but there you go.
1/3 commited abuse against children
In the end I don't think reducing demand will help at all. Abuse will still continue and probably we just won't hear about it.
Knee Jerk= Jerk Response
I had a good response to this
Too wide of a net?
With statistics like that, though, I wonder if they are skewing the numbers on purpose by casting as wide a net as possible. For example, what is their definition of kiddie porn? They describe some extreme cases saying it is getting bad, but the it looks like the numbers include everything where the image is of someone under 18 years old, regardless of the circumstances, including those 16 year olds that look 19.
I am all for enforcement, but in all discyssions (environmental, political, etc.) I don't like it where statistical lines are drawn intentionally to create a "crisis". I can only hope that is what is happening in this case, otherwise, I don't really want to think about what we have become.
At least some of that is happening.
Interesting
This is one of those gray areas that it is hard to make a firm decision on without knowing all of the facts.
Yeah.
Didn't a case like this happen last year
6 vs. 16
While it is wrong for a p-rn-grapher to take advantage of a 16yo, it is sort of like stat r-pe. It might be consensual but the burden is on the adult to make the better decision.
I feel pretty confident that police response is heavily weighted towards actual CHILD p-rnography and less weighted towards teen p-rnography.
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