Is there any possible way Jesse Ventura could win the Presidency?

By | November 8, 2011, 5:00am PST

Summary: Jesse Ventura, like so many of us who fly, is fully enraged at the practices of the TSA, the Transportation Security Agency.

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You gotta love Jesse Ventura. The former governor of Minnesota, former wrestler, and sort-of former (and possibly future) U.S. expatriate is now either threatening to change his citizenship to Mexico — or run for President of the United States.

Ventura, like so many of us who fly, is fully enraged at the practices of the TSA, the Transportation Security Agency. The TSA exists for an important reason: to keep the traveling public safe from terrorist attack.

The problem, of course, is that meeting that mission is hard. Almost impossibly hard. Unfortunately, when faced with a hard-to-solve problem, American government officials can lean either of two ways: solve it, or get all bureaucratic and stupid.

Unfortunately, as we’ve sadly seen over and over again, the TSA hasn’t exactly distinguished itself as the bastion of American safety and security we’d like it to be. Instead, we’ve had to endure walking shoeless and beltless to our flights, had to endure pat downs, and — in a series of almost Monty Pythonesque episodes — had to watch the TSA practice the art of the reach-down in the most absurd way.

Parachuting into the middle of this chaos is former Navy SEAL, Jesse “The Body” Ventura, who has apparently been the victim of too many TSA pat-downs and ain’t havin’ no more of it, no sir.

Ventura recently filed a lawsuit against the TSA, which was thrown out last week due to a truly bizarre trap-door in the law. Apparently, the way Congress wrote the law, you can’t sue the TSA in federal court. Instead, all challenges must be brought directly to the Circuit Courts of Appeals.

I’m not a federal litigation expert, but this restriction apparently makes it way harder to apply normal legal checks and balances to the TSA.

The problem is that Ventura has a titanium implant in his hip, which sets off the security scanners. Whenever he flies commercial, he’s been subject to invasive pat-downs, which also seem to drift towards his fiddly bits. To say Ventura was peeved would be an extreme understatement.

But now, after taking his argument to the courts, he’s been smacked down by the weird legislation that prevents him from taking his case to a jury.

In anger, Ventura declared he’s changing his citizenship to Mexico — or running for President. He believes that the only way he’d get his day in court is to become President and, well, change the court.

So, the question is this: does Ventura stand even a cold chance in hell of making it to the Presidency?

To evaluate this question, we need to break it down into component pieces: (1) Can he appeal to enough Americans to get on the map? (2) Can he raise enough money to be a credible contender against the hundreds of millions of dollars that’ll be spent by his competitors? (3) Is there any way that an independent would ever win the White House? (4) Can he build the “machine” necessary for a national campaign? And (5) can he control his mouth and temper so he doesn’t shoot himself in his own foot?

Let’s look at each of these in turn.

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RE: Is there any possible way Jesse Ventura could win the Presidency?
jpritz 27th Nov
@alsw If he runs I'll vote for him, no questions asked. I'd love to see him drop an elbow from the top rope on some Democrats and Republicans...
Being from Minnesota, I didn't think he would win the governorship. I definitely didn't vote for him, but he wasn't awful as gov. However, he seems to have gone over the edge with the conspiracy show and now this rant. He sounds like a teenage girl.
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He lost it.
William Farrell 8th Nov
@bobfastner
I'd be worried if he won the Presidency. We'd be spending our time looking for illegal aliens from Mars as opposed to illegal aliens from another country.
an Obama second term.
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I recall
omb00900@... 8th Nov
@baggins_z - I recall saying that about Bush / Gore!
@bobfastner
Agreed. I remember waking up the following day after the election of Ventura vs. Humphrey (not having heard the results yet), turning on the news, and thought for a moment that I might still be asleep and in the midst of a very bizarre dream.
@bobfastner
I'd vote for a Trump - Ventura ticket (but not a Ventura - Trump one). Trump brings the money, and Jesse really wants to hear "you're fired!" said to the TSA
As much as I hate the TSA and the security theatre as a whole, Jesse Ventura is still a nutjob.

9/11 anyone?
but he turned out to be just another blowhard.
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completely ineffective monstrosity, you'll write another column next week or next month calling on the government to handle some other aspect of your life. Oh. Sorry. Excuse me. My life. You'll hold yourself exempt.
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Come on. Arnold and Jesse both were Governors
Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate 8th Nov
enuf said.
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@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate
I fall on the floor laughing
Arnold and Jessie you are too much!
You actually, REALLY actually believe Jesse has a chance? A chance as in a quantum mechanic probability chance that all the dolphins will suddenly leave our planet while singing "Thanks for the fish"!

Has Linux really messed you up THAT bad, my friend?
@kenosha7777 happy
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Answers.
alsw 8th Nov
To whit: (1) Yes. (2) Yes. (3) Yes. (4) Yes. (5). No, but he ain't got time to bleed.

He's disruptive. I'd vote for him.
@alsw If he runs I'll vote for him, no questions asked. I'd love to see him drop an elbow from the top rope on some Democrats and Republicans...
Look I really can't stand the way the TSA has been given the powers it currently has, and would like nothing better than to see it dismantled and rebuilt correctly.... but Jesse Ventura? No thank you.
@Badgered Airport security should be the way it was back in the late 90s.

A metal detector and a luggage x-ray machine. Thats it.

The only improvement that came from 9/11 are the reinforced cockpit doors, the rest is just security theatre.
George Bush and Obama are a nut jobs.

At lease Jesse Ventura is interested in standing up for peoples rights and finding out answers.

I do not need to point out why George Bush and Obama are whack jobs, there actions have speak for themselves.
All I can say, its time for change. Maybe for a president not so war hungry? And a president not part of that big bail out scam? But a new one in the play books is that Obama like to hide behind Nato and get all its friends to bomb the crap out of a country when a country can fight its own wars.

So big deal if you think Jesse Ventura is a nut job, you already had nut jobs elected.


Also a show is just a show. It doesn't mean someone is a nut bar.

Unfortunately I have to agree, I don't think he has a chance. No independent has. Too much bad money is thrown around that have evil corporate interests. ANd whoever you vote for is basically the same people pulling the strings. Basically your vote only counts for minor issues that sets the parties apart, where the major issues are never fixed.


Anyways there is a lot of issues concerning TSA agents, just search google. It was a good idea, but implemented badly and it infringes on a lot of peoples rights, just like naked body scanners. Oh, ya, if I go threw a naked body scanner they should pay me for getting their rocks off.
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@ShqTth
I do not need to point out why Jesse Ventura is a whack job, his actions (and inactions) have spoken for Him.
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I don't think he can, but...
John L. Ries Updated - 8th Nov
...by running, he could force the major party candidates to address issues they'd rather ignore (like TSA, which I actually think should be abolished).

Such is the traditional role of independent and third party candidates in U.S. elections, and it's an important one.

He might actually compel me to vote for him (depending on who the Republican candidate is and what President Obama does during the next year), even though I would not expect him to win.
at least in the political discussions we've had in this forum.

You sound like a democrat, and as far as I can recall, on just about every issue.

So, I'm only logically extending your arguments to the way I think you would vote, no matter what you might say otherwise.
and wishy-washy in most others.

But, when push comes to shove, you'll be dragging out your liberal side more than the "conservative" side. BTW, some of those issues are really on the soft side of politics, like the 60s and 70s counterculture, the interpretation of the constitution. Most people don't vote on whether a candidate is a strict interpreter of the constitution, although they should, but it never comes up. The unions? Well, there was a time when I considered essential, but, that was a long time ago, before they became so controlling and partisan in their support of just one side in politics, that, of course, being the democratic party. With one-sided politics in unions, that can't be good for the country or the unions or the people involved, individually or as groups.

I am, however, a proponent of a no party system. But, I also have to be realistic and work within the system we do have.
He is certainly more straight-forward than your average politician. If he doesn't know than answer, he will say so instead of falling back to an irrelevant sound bite. This actually reminds me of why he ran for governor - he was tired of paying so much for license tabs for his fleet of collector vehicles. The first thing he did in office was to cut the price of those in half.
He can get a Perot like 12-15% with the 9/11 truther and true blue libertarian types but in the end the economy will be the issue. My prediction Obama wins easily. Not that there won't be vomit the morning after from all the who will feel sick for about their vote but the Republican field is so poor and while people hate the deficit in theory when it comes to what true deficit reduction will mean to them and their kids they will say "umm maybe not ". And course Ventura better get ready from the daily onslaught from both left and right media of "crackpot","conspiracy theorist" ,"Tin Foil Hat" and if there is whiff on anything in his personal life see Herman Cain.
explain what increasing the deficit would mean.

The fact is that, the only direction for the deficit is towards reduction. Increasing the deficit would cause a lot more harm to the economy and to kids and their parents. Leaving the deficit as it is is also causing harm to the economy, and causing a lot of uncertainty in the economy and which leads a lot of employers to hold back on spending and on hiring. Thus, large or larger deficits will always cause more harm to those kids and their parents and the country.
@adornoe@... You explained quite nicely what larger and larger deficits will do. I think the voters understand this in theory I don't think the country has the willpower to deal with the short term pain needed for long term gain. What it should mean is cutting wasteful elements of education and youth programs in general with some real bone cuts because the deficits are so large. What it will mean is one of two things cuts made just for the sake of cuts without thinking and when the bone is smashed the people won't stand for it or what I think will most likely to happen politicians knowing this not cutting at all and America going bankrupt/defaulting
understand the issue, or they don't care, or believe that, it's somebody else that will be affected.

Politicians are very good at exploiting those that don't care and don't understand the issue. And, there are far too many people who have become dependent upon government services to want to have any of them reduced or eliminated.
"fiddly bits"

Made me lol...
Against the current crop of candidates (and incumbent), he'd have my vote!
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@jmwells21 ...would have my vote. As Clinton once said - ..."I smoked but I never inhaled...", I'd vote for one who admitted smoking & never exhaled...
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Yes
n.ang 8th Nov
As evidenced by the Occupy Wallstreet movement, in democracy, collectivism, and ignorance, all things wrong are possible.
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Possible, yes- Probable, no
sboverie 8th Nov
The problem is that he would be campaining on a single issue that ranks low in national priorities. He would have to go through the gauntlet of campaigning that is great at destroying wannabees.

The law for TSA is horrible, that one is forced to start with the appeals court is a big hurdle to address problems with TSA. His time would be better spent working with the congress critters to amend the problems and provide better checks and balances to TSA and Homeland Security.
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The TSA exists to protect us. Really?
BlueCollarCritic 8th Nov
"The TSA exists for an important reason: to keep the traveling public safe from terrorist attack." Really? Let???s do the math and see how that adds up when compared to reality.

1) By your own admission the congress, when it passed legislation for the TSA, did so in a way that makes it very difficult for one to take the TSA to court which translates to making it difficult for anyone outside of government to make the TSA accountable for any heinous acts it commits.

2) The ???Naked body scanners??? that were implemented for the TSA to use after the bogus Christmas Shoe Bomber were ordered (by government) well in advance of the incident that supposedly made it necessary for the TSA to use them in airport screenings. Unless the government can predict the future how could they have ordered these scanners before the event that justified there use had even occurred?

3) If the TSA is protecting the traveling public from terrorists why then are they not in force at the border? Why are they being used at non-travel locations such as a high school prom (be sure you check this out before saying conspiracy theory because this is real)

4) The TSA has repeatedly failed secret security tests implemented by TSA personal to test the effectiveness of TSA screeners. Its interesting to note how hard the TSA has worked to keep that info from anyone outside the TSA

5) The TSA repeatedly refused to provide congress information regarding the naked body scanners and radiation tests done on them to see if there is cause for concern over radiation exposure from the devices

6) The TSA has been caught employing illegal aliens, criminals and even persons charged with crimes against underage children. If the TSA???s own internal employee security can???t prevent these type of hires especially in an economy with the highest unemployment this country has seen in a long time then how are they supposed to provide security for travelers?

When you add it all up the TSA gets a big fat ZERO when it comes to providing safety for travellers. Ventura knows this as do many Americans so why are you still making excuses for this agency that very much resembles a first step towards a police state like government? Will it take having them ask you for ???Your papers please??? before you realize what the TSA is really about?


NOTE: All of the above are easily verifiable so be careful about throwing around the popularly used ???That???s Conspiracy Theory??? line that is often used to rebut any arguments one does not want to address.
@BlueCollarCritic
Many thanks for that excellent indictment of the TSA. I find also that their badges are so huge and shiny that they can cause eye damage.
What happened 4 years ago was sheer stupidity, and we're still paying the price for that stupidity, and we'll be paying for it for many years to come.

If we want to finish destroying the country, then go ahead and re-elect Obama, or replace him with the likes of a Jesse Ventura. Either way, we would be doomed.

If a dead Ronald Reagan were to be proposed for the presidency, he would "do" more to help the country than either Jesse or Barack. How could that be possible? Simple. A dead president would be hands off and would not be damaging at all, whereas, Obama or Jesse would feel the need to do something, but, none of what they've done in the past has actually helped anyone and in the case of Obama, it's actually caused more harm to the country. So, let's elect a "do nothing" president, and we'll be well on the way towards a recovery.
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Better start stuffing those ballot boxes
John L. Ries Updated - 9th Nov
@adornoe@...
If the survival of the country depends on the election of the candidate of a particular party, then maybe free elections are expendible.

Or maybe you can figure out some more effective ways of encouraging the wrong sorts of voters to stay home (since you don't seem to be inclined to persuade them to vote your way).

Reply to the reply...

And still not an inkling of inclination to try to turn moderates into conservatives and liberals into moderates. Much better to do like the Communists and assume that the vast majority is already on your side, or would be if they weren't brainwashed.
that we do have.

The two party system is how we elect people in this country, and a third party is always used as a spoiler. That's the unfortunate facts.

Stuffing the ballot box? Not for me. That's something that only the leftists are good at and depend on, and something that only leads to loss of democracy. Perhaps you've had some experience with stuffing of ballot boxes?

BTW, there are ways to make sure that elections are carried out fairly and honestly. One person, one vote. Sounds like the ideal method. But, we'll never have that situation as long as there are people who don't want fair and will continue to depend on fraud to win or steal elections. Perhaps a national id card would help? Perhaps that idea which I suggested in that other discussion a couple of weeks ago? I know of the solutions, but, the solutions would not benefit those who count on stealing elections
@John L. Ries
Conservative common taters are fond of saying that people who vote for Dems are dumb and shouldn't have the vote.
be responsible enough to get acquainted with the issues and the candidates and the parties and the facts about why things are as they are.

If it were up to me, I'd make sure that, every voter knows what at least some of the major issues are about, and should also know some facts about the candidates available. There's no doubt in my mind that there are many millions of people who vote blindly, not knowing anything about the issues or the parties or the candidates. For example, there were, without a doubt, millions of people who voted for Obama because of the color of his skin, and they knew virtually nothing about his background. That is not just dumb, but it's insane at the same time.
It's not my job, nor anybody else's job to turn anyone from their ideology to any other ideology. If I were to take on the job of getting anybody to "think" about the issues, then I would make certain that they have all of the information, from all sides, in order to get them acquainted about the issues and candidates and why the country is in the condition that it's in.

When it comes to communists, they don't "assume", they tell you what you will think, and they don't ask you to vote a certain way, because, there is only one way to vote when there are no other parties to choose from, so, it's not a case of assuming the vast majority is on the communist side, it's that, "all" had better be on the communist side. Voting or decision making is predefined and predictable when communists rule a country.

Persuasion to change voting patterns is best accomplished when a person is presented with the news and information that convinces them that, what they have been doing or what they believed, is what has caused most or a lot of the problems which affect them negatively. Getting better informed works wonders for changing people's minds.
@adornoe@...
The Tea Party and Occupy crazies may have something. Ventura certainly can't do any worse and he might do a little better. IMNSHO, the best politicians of the last 45 years are Humphry and Clinton. Elected offiice used to be about service. Now it is about getting reelected. It used to be about serving the country, and now is is about serving the party. Both parties are guilty of my way or the highway at the expense of all of us. People are tired enough of the whole mess that the unthinkable could happen. Jesse Ventura:POTUS!!!
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Simple minded...
adornoe@... 10th Nov
First off, Humphrey might have been a good politician, but he would've been just another liberal, with big government continuing to be his agenda, the same as it was during LBJ. A good politician is not what the people need, and, to agree with you, what is needed, is someone who would work for the country and not for party or himself.

Clinton was (and still is), as sleazebag, and he used people and his party, to further himself, and he didn't really care about the country when HE was the main agenda on his mind. What little did get done in his administration worked to get the country into big messes, like the mortgage mess he created with the CRA regulations which forced banks to grant loans to people who couldn't afford them, and the high tax rates, which ultimately worked their way into bringing the country into recession the last year of his presidency. What little did happen that was good, was not really because of anything he did, but were brought about as a result of the republican control of congress, like the balanced budget (though there never really was a balanced budget), which would not have occurred if congress had not forced Clinton to control spending. Clinton was the beneficiary of other people's policies and of an economy which, for a time, boomed, but led mostly by the internet, but a lot of the internet growth was merely a bubble, so, the Clinton economy was mostly a bubble, which burst towards the end, and left the country in recession. As a politician, he was good, because, he has been able to claim credit a "balanced budget" which he had nothing to do with, and a good economy, which he had nothing to do with, and, he was able to get away with the crimes he committed while president and even before that, with the many accusations of sexual assaults, like raping and physical assaults on at least 3 women.

Ventura for president? We could do better by hiring a 5th grader.
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A Joke...
John L. Ries Updated - 8th Nov
@adornoe@...
...with 4 years of experience as governor of a state. Makes him a bit different than the usual independent presidential candidate.

Reply to DickCheney777:

Really? How come? How does the fact that messers Bush and Perry are current/ex governors negate my statement?

Independent and third party candidates for president usually don't have any prior experience in public office at all; when they do, it's usually as a member of the US House of Representatives (Barr, Paul, Anderson, Schmitz). The last that was a U.S. Senator was Robert LaFollette in 1924 (he carried his home state of Wisconsin). I don't think an ex-governor has run for president as an independent in the past century (but Lester Maddox ran as the candidate of the American Independent Party in 1976 and barely registered).

Edit: I forgot all about George Wallace and Strom Thurmond, both sitting governors (at the time) and two of the three most successful third party presidential candidates of the Twentieth Century (Theodore Roosevelt was the most successful; he finished second in 1912).
@John L. Ries Rick Perry and G W Bush are/were both governors. Your argument is therefor invalid.
and continues being a joke. But, most importantly, he's quite irrelevant. Why even pretend that he's useful in any way? He's done. Useless. Irrelevant. Very overrated. But, hey, he used to be a "Seal", so, I guess he was somewhat relevant at one time. But, having said all of that, he was still much more qualified for the presidency than Obama. That is, as long as Jesse is a natural born citizen of the U.S.
@adornoe@...
Back in the 60's and 70's, we had a defacto 3 party system which worked quite well. Republicans, Democrats, and Dixiecrats. The Dixiecrat wing kept the Democrats honest and in power for quite a few years, and the country did pretty well. Now we have both parties essentially taken over by the extreme, wacko fringe. And people wonder why approval numbers are in the toilet!
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But, the dixiecrats were the more racist element of the democrat party, and they merged with regular democrats, and thus, we ended up with the democrats being the most racist of all parties.

It's the democrats who have kept blacks on the reservations, and dependent upon the benevolence that comes from giving them government handouts. That's equally as bad as the old system of slavery, except that, today, it's disguised as "kind-hearted goodness". Blacks don't know what hit them, and, unfortunately, the democrats won't allow them to find out.

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