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Lessons America's Founding Fathers can teach us about the Occupy movement

By | October 17, 2011, 5:00am PDT

Summary: Individually, middle class Americans are generally powerless. But taken as a cohort, the American middle class is the single most powerful economic entity that has ever existed.

All photos courtesy fellow ZDNet blogger Michael Krigsman. See his amazing Flickr stream.

Unless you live under a rock, you’re quite well aware of the Occupy Wall Street movement. It’s been going on for a month in New York, and there are splinter movements going on in major cities throughout the world.

And yet, a lot of us live under a rock.

A lot of us are only tangentially aware that there’s a major meatspace event taking place across the world, fueled by the Babel that is cyberspace. A lot of us aren’t in the big cities and a lot of us are far more concerned with making ends meet than with the latest protestor Meetups.

And yet, this is important stuff, worthy of attention and discourse.

There’s talk of 99-percenters and 1-percenters, of have-nots and haves, of huge income disparity and bail-outs, of unions and disunity. The #OWS movement is both important and curious. It deserves attention here in ZDNet Government, especially since this is a story made possible primarily through social media.

I am not, by nature, a protestor. I’ve always thought it would be easier to be The Man than try to get on The Man’s friends-and-family calling plan. I gave up sleeping in tents once I got my Eagle Scout award, lo those many decades ago. I much prefer room service at the Four Seasons over self-service or sleeping on the ground in a park. I respect the time-honored tradition of protest by peaceful assembly, but I’m just not a take-to-the-streets kind of guy.

But I do feel it’s necessary to speak truth to power. That, more than anything else, is why I write. There are many ways individuals can be heard. Some of us write. Some of us are even fortunate enough to have big readerships and relationships with Washington insiders, so what we say is heard farther and wider — and sometimes even listened to and acted upon.

Others protest. Even if you don’t have an audience, a gig, or writing chops, merely showing up can be an act of enormous power.

Although I don’t really identify with the current Tea Party movement, the real tea party, the original tea part was such an act. It was criminal, of course. It was destructive. And as such, if it happened today, it would not be something we could or should tolerate. But it was an act of desperation, it was a marketing effort, and it got attention. The backlash it created resulted in a series of Coercive Act laws that further restricted the colonists.

When old Sam Adams called for his big meeting in Faneuil Hall on November 29, 1773, the meeting that led to the world’s most famous mass tea-acide, he knew he was poking at a hornet’s nest. He didn’t quite know what would happen, but he knew stirring up anger would disrupt, and that would be good enough.

By the way, these wonderful pictures by Michael Krigsman you’re looking at were also taken in Boston.

The destruction of the tea forced King George to react, and he reacted by making things worse. It was that making things worse that eventually led to the revolution and American independence.

It is with this in mind that we must think about the Occupy movements. It is important to understand that many Americans are hurting. Many Americans are unemployed and others are under-employed. Our people are having trouble making ends meet.

Even as millions clamor to buy an iPhone 4S or Kindle Fire, the price of a box of Corn Flakes has jumped 33% since 2008, while at the same time, median household income during the same period fell by about 10%.

In 2005, the average price for a gallon of gas was $1.83. By contrast, as of last May, the cost of a gallon was between $3.70 and $4.14, depending on where you live in the U.S. and right now, in my neighborhood, it’s $3.35 a gallon.

The bottom line is simple: when, in a few short years, basic food costs (the price of Corn Flakes is a fair indicator) go up 33%, gas prices almost double, and income goes down 10%, people are going to be freaked out and angry.

Worse, most middle class Americans can’t sustain much more of a cost-to-income slam and remain in the middle class. Many are underwater as it is.

News flash: it’s the American middle class that drives everything in the world economy. Everything. Without a strong American middle class, the economic consumption engine will not turn over.

And that, Dear Reader, is why Occupy Wall Street is important. It’s not that this group (such as it is) is more important or more relevant that any other group. It’s not that Wall Street is even really the issue (although I, too, was personally enraged at audacity and mendacity of the Wall Street and banking bailouts).

#OWS isn’t even important because of the rising income disparity between the haves and the used-to-haves.

Instead, the Occupy movements are important because they are an indicator that we’ve reached something of a boiling point. They reflect — whether completely spontaneous, as the PR would have you believe, or organized by some agenda-wielding socialist-pinko cabal, as some others would have you believe — they reflect a worldwide pissed-off-edness that could be a prelude to chaos.

The lessons of the original tea party are important, both for participants in the current protests and for our political leaders.

Peaceful protesting is an American right, the quintessence of the spirit of First Amendment to the United States Constitution. On the other hand, no government — no government, whether local or national — can stand by and accept acts of violence on its citizens or their property.

Should #OWS turn violent, local governments and the federal government will have to crack down. This would be the right-action of governance, for the greater good. However, should #OWS turn violent, and then, should the government crack down, it will all turn very ugly, very, very quickly.

This, then, is the fine line that the protestors and our politicians must tread. The protestors, if they choose to continue, must continue their protests in a non-violent fashion. New York’s Finest (and those in similar roles, throughout the world), must maintain the peace by actually maintaining the peace. Each individual officer on the street must be slow to react in anger and thoughtful in all dealings with the protestors.

Bizarre as it may seem, we’re witnessing something of a dance between civil servants and protestors, a dance where one or the other will need to lead at different times, and a dance that must not become a danse macabre.

Make no mistake about it. American economic policy has been flawed this last decade or so. Banks, healthcare providers, financial manipulators, and the politicians who suck at their teats have taken the American middle class both for granted and for a ride.

Individually, middle class Americans are generally powerless. But taken as a cohort, the American middle class of 2011 is the single most powerful economic entity that has ever existed on Planet Earth.

As we move forward to a year of primaries and elections, it would be wise for those who seek to govern and those who seek to continue to govern to remember that their true constituency is not their billionaire benefactors, but Ma and Pa Mainstreet.

For without the middle class, no other economic class will survive unharmed.

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anonymole@... 24th Oct
1) Replace Congress
2) Reform Wall Street
3) Rein in corporations

Replace Congress
In the next two elections we the people must demonstrate our power as citizens of the United States and elect a brand new Congress. Congress has failed to do the people's will. Every member of Congress must be replaced. The good with the bad. The bad, obviously, because they are either corrupt or self-serving. The good because they are ineffectual. Replacing all of Congress will teach our government who really has the power in this country - we do, we the people.

Reform Wall Street
The SEC and CFTC and other financial regulatory bodies must enact rules that favor investors not traders. These agencies kowtow to large corporate and investment banks, hedge funds, and exchanges and the traders therein who leach billions of dollars each day from the worlds markets. The investors, growth oriented, long term investors, have been run roughshod through the market gauntlet leaving them, us, fearful of the marketplace. This must change. Traders must take second seat to the needs of investors.

Rein in corporations
Corporations are not people. The Supreme Court did the world an enormous wrong when they reversed Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission. We need to enact constitutional amendments to protect the rights of people, not the rights of corporations.
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Can you really blame these kids
zmud Updated - 17th Oct
They are waking up and finding money = power and that the ruling class has been running our country into the ground while it kept them blissfully unaware playing video games and playing sports. Kudos to these young people who want to take that power back from the ruling class. That 1% not only rules wall street, but the government too and they should move their protests to Washington just like the T.E.A. party.
@zmud

Wall Street is only part of the problem. Unions are making unreasonable demands on business and the government is not creating jobs but destroying them through over regulation. Obama can't go to the bathroom without consulting his handlers from the SEIU.

The real problem today is people do not take responsibility for their own actions. Just because you want the hottest car out there doesn't mean you can afford to pay back the loan you will take to get it. People these days think they are owed everything rather than having to work and earn it.
@Test Subject Ok, let's just stop that now. That kind of talk is over. Unions are the SOLUTION, not the PROBLEM. If unions had this immense power people have told you they do and you repeat, THIS PROBLEM WOULDN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW. Manufacturing jobs would still be here and people would be able to support a family on one income and have a pension the way they did a few decades ago.

Who is saying they're "owed" anything? The American Dream is equality of opportunity, and that's gone. Politicians are off chasing PAC money and big donors and corporations are actually writing our legislation. BoA paid no tax last year, got a $1 billion refund and made $2 billion. The banks we bailed out are using our own money to hire lobbyists to petition the government and make conditions even more favorable for them. People's costs are rising through the roof and are more productive than ever but wages are falling while CEO bonuses are flowing. One man at the protests had a business that hit a rough patch and went to the bank for a $50K loan. The bank wanted his entire business equity, $850K, as collateral! Another man has two sons with a total of $200K in college loans who can't find jobs! Please don't spout the same talking points from the one percent, that people are demanding something for nothing. They're demanding their fair share which they've already paid for. We the People are sick of hearing the insanity that unions destroy jobs and Wall Street bonuses create them and that we're the source of the problems in this country. It's not going to fly anymore.
@Test Subject What is great about occupy wall street is that they have stopped looking left and right (partisan) and are lokking up and down (systems). This post is stuck in the partisan framework and can't really discuss the system. I ma a union member with SEIU. I don't know any union members (although I'm sure there are some) that tink that Obama is supporting us. Obama is good at supporting corporations. But Fox news doesn't want you to beleive that. It's better to keep up the partisan narrative than to say that in fact, on economics and foreign policy, the two partys are not that much different.

There is a race to the bottom and because the union workers are going to the bottom slower than non-union workers, the powerfull want you to be angry that they are not getting as poor as you are. Have you noticed no one questions CEO pay? It seems only workers are over compensated, never executives. Of course American CEOs are paid exponentially higher than CEOs of the other nations.
@jgm@... so let's just stop that "Unions are the saviors" BS.
Oh, and I'm speaking from experience as I was a union worker twice, and what it made me realize is that I am the master of my future, not some union representatives and the people with more senority then me.

Unions workers are the ones that feel they are "owed" everything, and this is coming straight from their mouths! So saying that Unions are the solution is pure fantasy, IMO.

I do agree with much of the other stuff you said, but I will never agree with unions being a good thing. They did nothing but hold me back, and from what I see they chased alot of jobs overseas.
@jgm

No, unions ARE the problem. Over the past three or four decades they have consistently asked for more benefits, more wages, more time off, more, more, more. And now they have the audacity to be shocked that businesses want to go overseas where manufacturing is cheaper? Yeah, we can keep manufacturing here in the US, but it will cost 50%-200% MORE for goods and services. Unions at one time were valuable. I'm talking the 10 hour days six days a week work week (well, that's pretty close to mine, now) times before unions in the US existed. Nowadays, unions are all about protecting their own regardless of whether it's good for the union or good for the business. And face it, without these corporations that are being protested there wouldn't be any reason for the unions to unite workers; there's little reason for them now anyway.

The equality of opportunity is still there. Anyone who wants to work hard enough at their dream can succeed. Equality of OUTCOME is what this bunch wants, and that simply cannot happen in the US. We are guaranteed life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness... the PURSUIT of happiness, not the ATTAINING of happiness.

We never should have bailed out the banks. We never should have bailed out Chrysler or GM, either. That's what our economy has been about, historically. If you can't cut it, you go under. Apparently our government didn't like that and now we have this. The Tea Party (that all the OWS crowd despises) wants a lot of the same things except they realize that the government is to blame for a lot of the problems. Who passed the "stimulus" bill? Government. Who passes laws that allow Wall Street to work the way it does? Government. Who passed laws that created the banking industry crisis that we simply had to then bail out the banks? Government. Quit blaming the banks and the corporations for creating the economic environment we have now. It's all on government.
@Test Subject . When unions were at there most powerful in the 50's and '60's the economy for most everybody was at its best. Unemployment for 40% of the two decades was under 4%. Recessions even the sharp ones were short lived lasting a year or a year and half. The only reason why you would not have a job was because you were a slacker, had mental problems or retarded or were black and discriminated against. The Unions act as a counter monopoly to industry monopolies forcing companies to give workers more. When 40 or 50% of the countries workers were unionized companies were forced to pay more in salary and benefits even to workers not in unions because of the competition. When the workers were raking it in they had more to spend. Consumer spending offset the paying more in salary and benefits for many companies, the government had more money yea to waste but also to help people who had no skills, defense, infrastructure. Both companies and government had more money for research and development. Even if you are making a good wage today you should be scared to spend because you are more likely making that good wage as a temp or as a contractor with no benefits and no assurance. The explosion of temp and contract work is the direct result of the destruction of the union monopolies over the years. This is basic capitalism
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John L. Ries Updated - 17th Oct
@Test Subject
...is to outlaw collective bargaining, and repeal all commercial regulation and our economic woes will be alleviated? Remember that the vast majority of private sector workers are not unionized and haven't been in decades. Also that a large number of the commercial regs enacted over the last century were in response to well-documented abuses.
@Benched42:
"Who passed the "stimulus" bill? Government. Who passes laws that allow Wall Street to work the way it does? Government. Who passed laws that created the banking industry crisis that we simply had to then bail out the banks? Government. Quit blaming the banks and the corporations for creating the economic environment we have now. It's all on government."

That's technically true, but highly disingenuous. Yes, the government passed those laws, but only because the corporations put them up to it. The problem isn't the government in and of itself, it's that the government no longer reports to We The People; they've become a fully-owned subsidiary of Corporate America.

It's very cynical of the corporate types to call for less government. Power is like a gas: it expands to fill the need for it, and they understand that. The power of rulership does not simply go away; if the government gets out of the business of governing, there will be a power vacuum for corporations to rush in and fill. And I don't know about you, but as long as that power is going to be held by someone, I'd really prefer to have it held by someone I can vote out than by someone who answers to nobody but the shareholders!

What's needed is not to decimate the government, but to get corporate money and influence out of government so they'll stop making bad laws and start to be accountable to We The People again.
@jgm@... Unions are the answer? You have got to be kidding right? Now lets talk about your two examples of people at the protest. The guy that went to the bank needed money to keep his business going. If it wasn't a high risk load then the bank would not have wanted that much collateral. If it wasn't a high risk loan the guy wouldn't have worried about what collateral the bank wanted because there would be no risk of losing that collateral. What is the point of two college grads having $200K in loans but can't find jobs? You didn't give any details on what their degrees are in. Just because they have degrees doesn't mean they got them in fields that there is any market for. They decided to go that far into debt, nobody forced them to. Just because they decided to borrow all that money doesn't mean that anybody is obligated to provide them with a job. Are you suggesting that when employer is deciding what applicant they hire they should ignore qualifications and hire the person with the highest student loan debt even if that person won't benefit his business?

I do agree with a few of the points that OWS is making but the majority of what I have heard out of them is so far out in left field that I all but dismiss them as having a clue.
@zmud Very well said! Except the protestors aren't just college kids- they're from all age groups and occupations, including Army, Navy, and Marines, as well as retired people and military vets. They do need to expand even more in to Washington like the Tea Party did, but hopefully not carrying their loaded guns... But what you wrote is absolutely true and it's discouraging to see so many posts on this article by people who fit the description of 'the blind being led by the blind'.
@xplorer1959
only a brain washed liberal can see anything but class warfare and demands for new handouts in this 'movement'.
Real Americans reject it overwhelmingly!
@Linux Geek -

Class warfare began when employers demanded more work from workers, sometimes with lower pay. Class warfare began with any means to stagnate or lower worker wages, just so the top can profit.

Class warfare began with the sham of "trickle down economics". Since nothing has trickled down, except more "unpaid internships".

Real Americans know the truth.

And real handouts continue to go to the top. After all, "tax cuts create jobs" certainly prevented the job-less economic mess we're in today, yes? As did "trickle down economics" where profits trickle down to help workers, yes? As did all the corporate welfare going to wealthy companies, yes?
@HypnoToad72 Real Americans know the truth.
So based on your post what you are trying to say is that you are not a real American?
@zmud why would any sane person side with these bums and foment class warfare?
the vast majority of the Americans see this dirty movement as it is: a lame attempt by the devilcrats to divert attention from their job killing policies.
@The Linux Geek Class warfare and flat out lies is all Obama can run on for reelection so no surprise of the timing of the protests.
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these 'occupiers' are nothing more than a bunch of anarchists, liberals and hippies that are part of the problem not of the solution.
We need to cut the government spending and make sure that everybody pays reduced taxes including these bozos that disrupt the tranquility, daily business and hamper the good fight for job creation led by the conservatives and the tea party.
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jasonp@... 17th Oct
@The Linux Geek
Bashing Occupy Wall Street in one sentence and praising the tea party in the next. You've taken a page from the Mike Cox archive. Next you'll be telling us that your Wall Street broker has assured you that everything is a-ok.

Wall Street and government have been far too cozy for far too long. This cozy relationship has crossed political parties and has cost our country dearly. Government spending is a tiny fraction of the problem, but it is indeed part of the problem. A larger problem is allowing trade with communist and third world countries that American workers can never, ever compete with on a level playing field. Had oru politicians taken the same approach towards the Soviet Union as they are taking towards China, the Soviet empire would have never fallen and we would have sunk to this point decades ago.
@jasonp@...
Don't forget that Obama has more Wall Street insiders on his White House staff than any other president in history has had, including both the Bush Presidents. Yes there is a problem and as Ronald Reagan would say "Government isn't the answer, it's the problem." The government can not be a cradle to grave system to take care of our every need and want. We have seen how well that works in communist countries. Spreading the wealth doesn't do anything other than drive the country to the bottom as fast as it can. Why work hard if they take everything to give to others who don't work. Pretty soon no one is working hard because it isn't worth it and its easier to slack off and get the government to take care of things, until there is no money to spread around and the country crashes in a fiery ball of flames.
@jasonp

The only commonality between the two is that they are protest groups.

The Tea Party cleans up after itself. They leave parks, streets, sidewalks and such CLEANER than when they got there. They can all coherently describe why they are there and what they are protesting. They may carry guns, but they all have carry permits and have taken safety classes. They are legally protesting the fact that government is wasteful and has set up loopholes for special interest groups (like banks and corporations).

The Occupy Wall Street bunch camps where it is specifically banned and wonder why they get arrested. They detain or completely stop traffic and then wonder why they get arrested. They defecate on police cars and in between their illegal tents. They are caught on video doing the horizontal mambo in public. Very few can answer the simple question of "What are you protesting?"; they treat it like a trick question or simply look amazed that someone would have the audacity to ask such a thing. Some of them say they protest against corporations but they merrily use the goods and services that those corporations provide.
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"why are you praising the latest liberal fad?
Rabid Howler Monkey 17th Oct
@The Linux Geek wrote:
"a bunch of anarchists, liberals and hippies

You've just described the FOSS, including Linux, movement. Do you remember the '60s?
@Rabid Howler Monkey
That would be interesting other than the fact the most of the FOSS programmers I know are actually conservatives who believe in donating time and money to worthy causes like what used to be taught in ivy league colleges decades ago. Not to mention that FOSS makes simple logical business sense to support and use for driving down costs and increasing customised software. Commercial software has created more of a drag on the IT industry and the economy in general than FOSS could ever hope to do. Commerical software forces companies to change their business flow to match the software. It also drives programmers out of the market because they are not able to be hired to customise the software to fit the needs of businesses. Commercial software also artificially increases costs when costs could be easily shared across industries reducing costs and prices as well as increasing profits. In reality commercial software is a job killer and drag on the national economy. Less than 5% of the US programmers actually work for a company creating software to sell to the public. Imagine how many more programmers could have jobs customising software for companies.
@The Linux Geek Ah spoken like a true moron.
@abc123a I would give you a +1 but I'm afraid Google owns that now, so- +1-and- (add 100 "0"s here)
@The Linux Geek Your break with reality is huge, so whatever you're on, I want some.
@Skippy99 Same as @abc123a- I would give you a +1 but I'm afraid Google owns that now, so- +1-and- (add 100 "0"s here)
@Skippy99
you'd better join the 'movement' and you'll get plenty of weed for free, compliments of George Soros and other crazy liberals.
@The Linux Geek Name calling doesn't count for an honest discussion. Also, I like how people throw out the work liberal like it's a dirty word, and apparently, your post seems to state that they don't deserve a voice. But Conservatives, wow! they are the best! I wish people would use less labels and explain themselves on this issues instead.
@gtaylor2
the founding fathers were conservative not hippies!
have turned the word into an evil.
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Re: The founding fathers were conservatives...
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@The Linux Geek
Somehow, I think that would have been news to King George and his ministers. Back then, loyalty to one's king was seen as a core conservative value.

Interestingly enough, the American revolutionaries routinely referred to themselves as "Whigs" and their loyalist opponents as "Tories". The British Tory party was renamed the Conservative Party in the 19th century and still bears the name (indeed, British and Canadian Conservatives are still frequently called "Tories"). The British Whig party, on the other hand, evolved into the Liberal Party, which was the principal ancestor of the modern Liberal Democratic Party.
@gtaylor2
Actually, the Founding Fathers were liberals for their times
@gtaylor2 So you have issue with people using the word liberal like it's a dirty word but don't say anything about those that use the word conservative the same way.
@The Linux Geek LOL. Amazing. Even people such as yourself can see that your so-called representatives are not doing what you are asking them, no, yelling at them to do. Maybe you are smarter than the majority of the world's economists and know better than they about how government spending affects jobs and taxes. But I tend to doubt it as you have not presented any credentials indicating you have more education or experience than they do. Their credentials, on the other hand, are quite clear. And as for the Job Creation being fought for by conservatives and Tea Partiers, well, where is THEIR jobs bill as a counter proposal to the one they just shot down? I'd like to hear it.

The #OWS people are sending the message that they don't want the wars, they don't want the banks making the rules by proxy, they don't want corporations being recognized as citizens but their representatives are not hearing them, not even giving them reasons these things must be that will stand up to scrutiny. It's a warning shot across the bow. If you don't like their message, counter it! Calling them bozos only makes you look like one when in fact, I'm sure you have legitimate concerns. What are they?
@JoeFoerster

So because our "so-called representatives are not doing what you are asking them", we should protest corporations? Why not protest the "so-called representatives"? That's what the Tea Party is doing. Going after the root cause, not the end result.

Protesting the corporations doesn't help. We need to change the rules. The "so-called representatives" are the ones who wrote the rules. Some of these "so-called representatives" are still in office. Why? If we are so angry with them, vote them out!
@JoeFoerster
the problems lie with the bums in street and with their mentor from the white house, not with wall street.
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plans, but the democrats, and people like you, refuse to listen and just keep stating the same liberal mantra about "what's the republican plans"?

The republican plan is very simple.

Stop the out-of-control government spending. Stop the many regulations which make our businesses less competitive against foreign manufacturers and foreign workers. Stop outsourcing our energy sector to foreign oil. Do not allow government to decide who will be the winners and who will be the losers.

In short, get the effing government off our backs, and the economy should be able to create many millions of jobs within a short few years.
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@JoeFoerster And as for the Job Creation being fought for by conservatives and Tea Partiers, well, where is THEIR jobs bill as a counter proposal to the one they just shot down? I'd like to hear it.

Let me guess, you are a Obama supporter. It's pretty obvious because you have just blindly repeated the lies that he is running around the country spewing. The Republicans have presented jobs bills several times but the Democrats have refused to even acknowledge them. The Republicans did not shoot down the Obama's bill, the Democrats did that themselves. Obama is running around the country blaming Republicans for not passing the jobs bill but he knows that not one single Democrat signed on to support the bill as he sent it over and even breaking it up trying to pass the better parts can't get enough Democrat votes to pass.
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@The Linux Geek : or somebody hacked into your account, 'cause no open-source advocate will ever defend wall street nor corporate America and specially, the Tea Party.

Or I guess your open source backer was part of the bailout and you just 'sold-out'.
hardware, nor about any one sector of the economy, nor about being against government in general.

I suggest that you study up on what the "tea party" "members" are about. You have it all wrong.
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@cosuna
Actually... some open source programmers might well be Tea Partiers. There is a rather outspoken open source advocate named Eric Raymond who is an equally outspoken libertarian (and, I believe, has been known to defend corporate America from time to time). It appears that open source developers and advocates are all over the political map, like many such groups.

The problem with blanket statements like yours is that they're almost always false.
From the article:
"American economic policy has been flawed this last decade or so. Banks, healthcare providers, financial manipulators, and the politicians who suck at their teats have taken the American middle class both for granted and for a ride.

The American economy has been flawed for the last three (3) decades. It started with deregulation and ended with deregulation. Capitalism isn't perfect, but it actually works when properly constrained, what I call 'good' capitalism. Deregulation, across industries, was all about breaking those shackles to enrich the 1%. And like the article states, at the expense of the 99% including the middle class (as well as the lower class).

Did the unions contribute to the problem? I'm all for a living wage and safe workplace for all who work, but what is a 'living wage'? Should auto assembly line workers make more money, with better benefits, than public school teachers? Part of the answer is that public school teachers are, and have been, seriously underpaid. However, the unions pushed too far with wages and benefits. A broken health-care system was another contributor.

I would also add U.S. foreign and military policy to the mix. When the Soviet Union collapsed, we lost an opportunity for a peace dividend. For example, NATO was neither downsized nor disbanded. And, fortunately, for the military-industrial-congressional complex, Al Queda (and related groups) reared their ugly heads in the vacuum of Afghanistan after the Soviets were driven out. Guess who's there (and many, many other places) now?

o Corporations should not be legal persons
o Elections should be publicly funded
o Glass-Steagall, along with many other regulations, need to be reinstated and the monster banks need to be broken up (we should have used the Swedish model rather than the Japanese model to deal with them)
o Financial derivatives need to be either banned outright or seriously, SERIOUSLY regulated
o Our health-care system is still broken (and we need to fix it as it's too expensive)
o Our military spending is not sustainable (and we need to downsize the military-industrial complex to a level that is sustainable)
o Our foreign and economic policy need to be rational and fair (this should help us to downsize the military-industrial complex)

Vote for *REAL* change, not for candidates who mindlessly repeat the word.
@Rabid Howler Monkey While I agree with your statements, please tell me who these candidates are that I should vote for ???
@mrlinux
You, and the rest of the 99%, vote for the person who best meets your demands. And then you demand from them that they do more. And if they don't, you vote for the candidate who will. And you keep their feet to fire for 4 years. Because when candidates see that the electorate are actually engaged and interested between elections, you will start to get the candidates you want to see.

Or...

If you don't like the candidates, run for office yourself. That's why it's called a free democracy. And yes, I know that is not necessarily practical... but seriously.. if you can't run yourself, then find a someone you can support and who can run and then support that person with money, time, and more time.

Often it is not the winning that matters, but the running. It brings issues to the table that need debate.

Admittedly, the US system of financing elections is less than ideal, but what are the alternatives? To rely on "someone should" or "they should" to fix things is relying on very people who have mucked up the system in the first place. And to overthrow a democracy and replace it with something else is not going forward.

The tools for real change are in place in a democracy. But I don't believe "the 99%" have even come close to using those tools effectively. At least not yet.
@mrlinux

Probably not the incumbents as they created the problems by writing and voting for the policies currently in place.
@Rabid Howler Monkey
If deregulation is so bad perhaps you can explain to me why every economics professor will tell you that regulation creates artificial barriers to enter the market and makes an unlevel playing field. You should also look at what happened to the economy and industries when Ronald Reagan reduce the amount of regulation and the economy and industries saw huge growths during a period when the economy and jobs were on a downward swing when he came in to office. Look at the stockmarket and average income increases for while he was in office and the years follow. Clearly he did things that work and we have proven over the last two decades that the opposite does not work.
@tim.w.jung@... Apparently you weren't around in the 'Reagan years'- and give us a list of "every economics professor" who spouts that nonsense and it will be a small subset of economists who work for the WSJ, Koch industries, multi-national corporations...
And YOU should the average incomes of the middle class rather than just the average of the wealthiest- that tells a different story than you've been told. Where do you get the idea that regulation has increased over the last two decades? Deregulation was a major factor in taking a prosperous economy to the verge of world-wide economic collapse.
clearly, deregulation doesn't work, except for the very rich...
@xplorer1959

I WAS around during the Reagan years. Voted for him twice. Deregulation is the key. Get the government out of these businesses. Government regulations, along with their loopholes, are what caused the problems we face today. It was regulations that forced the banks to lend subprime mortgages to individuals they KNEW could not repay the loans that caused this. Trying to blame Reagan or Bush I or Bush II for it doesn't wash. The original legislation passed (as a result of the first subprime bubble) was during the Clinton years. Since the Clinton administration, regulations over the financial sector have increased each year.
comply with, causes the cost of doing business to go up, and when the cost of doing business goes up, the bottom line is hurt, and when a company has less to spend as a result of bigger and more regulations, it costs jobs. Since Obama came into office, there have been thousands of regulations passed, many of them unwarranted, but still costing money and jobs. Before Obama, there were thousands of regulations which also caused a lot of stress against business, and thus, we ended up outsourcing and offshoring a lot of business operations and sending a lot of jobs out of the country.

Regulations are the problem. No one can argue that. Not even liberals. No economist is ever going to defend regulations, because, regulations deter economic growth.
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anonymole@... 24th Oct
1) Replace Congress
2) Reform Wall Street
3) Rein in corporations

Replace Congress
In the next two elections we the people must demonstrate our power as citizens of the United States and elect a brand new Congress. Congress has failed to do the people's will. Every member of Congress must be replaced. The good with the bad. The bad, obviously, because they are either corrupt or self-serving. The good because they are ineffectual. Replacing all of Congress will teach our government who really has the power in this country - we do, we the people.

Reform Wall Street
The SEC and CFTC and other financial regulatory bodies must enact rules that favor investors not traders. These agencies kowtow to large corporate and investment banks, hedge funds, and exchanges and the traders therein who leach billions of dollars each day from the worlds markets. The investors, growth oriented, long term investors, have been run roughshod through the market gauntlet leaving them, us, fearful of the marketplace. This must change. Traders must take second seat to the needs of investors.

Rein in corporations
Corporations are not people. The Supreme Court did the world an enormous wrong when they reversed Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission. We need to enact constitutional amendments to protect the rights of people, not the rights of corporations.

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