Norwegian civil war: Call to recall OOXML 'yes' vote

Norwegian civil war: Call to recall OOXML 'yes' vote

Summary: Posted on Geir Isene's blog:Formal protest regarding the Norwegian vote on ISO/IEC DIS 29500I am writing to you in my capacity as Chairman (of 13 years standing) of the Norwegian mirror committee to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34. I wish to inform you of serious irregularities in connection with the Norwegian vote on ISO/IEC DIS 29500 (Office Open XML) and to lodge a formal protest.

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Formal protest regarding the Norwegian vote on ISO/IEC DIS 29500

I am writing to you in my capacity as Chairman (of 13 years standing) of the Norwegian mirror committee to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34. I wish to inform you of serious irregularities in connection with the Norwegian vote on ISO/IEC DIS 29500 (Office Open XML) and to lodge a formal protest.

You will have been notified that Norway voted to approve OOXML in this ballot. This decision does not reflect the view of the vast majority of the Norwegian committee, 80% of which was against changing Norway’s vote from No with comments to Yes.

Because of this irregularity, a call has been made for an investigation by the Norwegian Ministry of Trade and Industry with a view to changing the vote.

I hereby request that the Norwegian decision be suspended pending the results of this investigation.

Yours sincerely,

Steve Pepper Chairman, SN/K185 (ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 mirror committee)

Topics: Microsoft, Browser, Collaboration, Software, Software Development

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  • The OSI should be telling us why they delayed anouncing the vote. The

    reason they gave is bogus. They should tell us that there are irregularities that prevent them from releasing the vote. The silence is deafening.
    DonnieBoy
    • And Mugabe

      .
      mark@...
    • OSI?? Or ISO? <eom>

      Nothing to read here...move along!
      Techboy_z
  • ISO value in trouble

    It is sad that the ISO system is loosing any credibility just to help a company to maintain their monopoly.

    With everything that has come out, it would be a HUGE mistake if the ISO approves a "standard" with serious violations of the establish process.

    If the OOXML standard is as good as MS claims, why does it need to bend the rules to get approved?? How come it can't compete on its own merits??
    wackoae
    • After you've grown up

      You'll find that the OOXML vs. ODF war is just a game between Microsoft and IBM+Google+Sun+A few open source vendors. Neither part is evil or good, all they want is profit. If ODF format, which is untested and poorly implemented (by OpenOffice), is an ISO standard, it is no surprise that OOXML, which is used by 90%+ desktops and properly implemtned (by MS Office for 20+ years), should be an ISO standard too.
      pa2004
      • BS, You sir are full of it..

        20 plus years? where do you get this and should I put my waders on because it's getting thick in here. OOXML isn't even implemented at all, it's a theory on paper and that's it. Maybe when YOU grow up and do some actual research you can try to make a point, the point of the matter is, THERE ARE NO, NONE, ZIP, ZILCH, NADA in terms of OOXML implementations of it. When has MS been known to "properly" implement anything? They push it to become a standard and before it's even passed, they've already made changes.

        I have no problem with them making a standard, but if they are going to lie cheat and steal to make it a standard, that is a different subject. If they won't do it the correct way, then that should show you people who have you head up your rear ends exactly how they wish to use this standard, by raping you and your wallet. As I said, you can't change overnight and though most of you have your heads buried in the sand over it, maybe you'll realize they do NOT have the best interest of their consumers in mind, they have your wallet in mind and that is it. Please continue shelling out money for more worthless features you'll never use, prove to your companies that you really are worthless at your job.
        Monkey_MCSE
        • OOXML is the default document format

          of Office 2007.
          pa2004
          • He's try to capitalize on the fact that...

            He's try to capitalize on the fact that Office 2007 cannot actually impplement (D)IS 29500, because it shipped during the process, and the standard has changed during the process, and since it shipped.

            So, it is true that Office 2007 doesnt implement the standard, but to claim its "only a theory on paper" is a stretch.
            TheTruthisOutThere@...
          • no it isn't

            DOCX and XLSX are not OOXML.
            ECMA_OOXML and ISO_OOXML are both different, they are also both different from Office2007 format.

            Once again you show your cluelessness.
            stevey_d
      • 20 years?

        Huh?
        rkoman@...
      • Another prevarication from PA2004

        Incorrect, complete fiction. "...which is used by 90%+ desktops and properly implemtned (by MS Office for 20+ years)" Nope-OOXML was created in 2007.

        You should learn to use Firefox 2, because it would inform you of your spelling error.

        "implemtned" is spelled implemented, but then again perhaps English is not your native language...
        DonRupertBitByte
        • typos

          You know, we all make typos. Let's focus the attacks on the merits of arguments and not make assumptions about native origins.

          Thanks
          rkoman@...
          • OK then, how about this

            there are 400 million Microsoft office desktops, perhaps 25% are office2007. 100 million desktops and rising have OpenOffice on them.

            microsoft office 2007 does not support OOXML. There are two incompatible versions of OOXML, ECMA_OOXML and ISO_OOXML.
            Both ECMA_OOXML and ISO_OOXML have ZERO desktops using them to date.

            So in addition to the typos, everything else he says is garbage.
            stevey_d
          • I quite agree

            Absolute rubbish.
            rkoman@...
          • Speaking of assumptions...

            PA2004's prevarication on what actually happened is made even more magniloquent by the avoidable spelling error.

            You'd do well not to make assumptions yourself.
            DonRupertBitByte
      • "ODF untested and poorly implemented" haha 100 million deployed

        and you say it's "untested" even thought it's in use on 100 million desktops. OOXML has ZERO implementations. This is too funny. If you knew anything about XML you'd realise that ODF is well implemented, it's OOXML that's a dog's present.

        I can point you to endless technical reviews of OOXML pointing out how lousy it is. Microsoft can't hide from this. Anyone with XML knowledge can plainly see it's terrible.
        stevey_d
        • haha! 100 million deployed!

          LOL! ;)
          GuidingLight
          • happens to be a fact. How many do you think there are?

            I noticed the total lack of any other suggested figure.
            stevey_d
        • Anyone with XML knowledge can plainly see it's terrible

          A bit of an understatement, don't you think?

          Anyone who can read and understand even half of what he reads can plainly see the gross fallibility in OOXML.

          Doesn't take a College Professor to figure out that doo-doo stinks.
          Ole Man
      • Lies!!

        "Neither part is evil or good, all they want is profit."

        Two lies in one sentence! That's noteworthy!


        1) "Neither part is evil or good..."

        Oh really? M$ is a convicted monopoly-abuser. Note, I didn't say "convicted monopolist". It's ok to have a monopoly. They have been found guilty in both the U.S. and the E.U. of *abusing* that position to maintain it and for monetary gain. How is that "neither evil or good" (sic) (yeah, by the way, the construct is "neither...nor", not "neither...or.")

        2) "...all they want is profit."

        You can say that about...ahem...everyone on the OOXML side...but only for some on the ODF side. Which open source vendors are supporting ODF because that format will make them more money than OOXML would? Yeah. Thought so. Zero. They support it simply because it has the support of *multiple* other vendors, whether open source or not, and that means they can call the format question done and move on to work on more interesting features.

        Capiche?
        Techboy_z