Climate scientists saying global warming trend is worsening
Summary: Global warming is accelerating says international group of climate scientists.
Today a 64-page "Copenhagen Diagnosis" was released by a group of climate scientists from several nations. They say now it looks like the average global temps couldclimb more than ten degrees Fahrenheit this century. Sea levels could increase more than three feet.
This report concludes that CO2 levels in the atmosphere are near the top of what the IPCC thought was possible when they issued their most recent report in 2007. The group says work on reducing man-caused greenhouse gasemissions must begin now.
"Our available emissions to ensure a reasonably secure climate future are just about used up," said Matthew England, co-director of the Climate Change Research Centre of the University of New South Wales in Australia.
The group urges international action at the Copenhagen talks that begin December 7.
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Pardon me while I yawn.
I can't believe there are still people that are in denial of the problem.
Fortunately there are enough smart people around to recognize that there is a real problem, and the good news is that more and more people are pulling their heads out of the sand and realizing that this is a serious problem.
Do you also belong the Flat Earth Society?
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm
How about a prediction becoming true for once?
serious damage to the atmosphere?"
How about a prediction becoming true for once?
Like that idea that I'd be owning waterfront
property by now.
Okay, yeah - maybe there's some truth to this
global warming stuff. But frankly, I think the
"scare the truth into people" tactic is getting
very old and tired. It's time for a new
approach, and more realistic predictions.
"top end of predictions" & "melting faster than thought possible"
It's like being in a coach heading towards a ravine, and someone saying "we're a mile away, if we don't turn we'll go into the ravine in 2 minutes, because the speedo reads 30mph".
Then the guy notices trees passing, taps the speedo, and the real speed is 60mph.
"Bad news guys, we only have a 1minute, if we don't turn, we're toast".
Then you say "this doom & gloom story is getting old - it's time for a new approach and more realistic predictions"........
Unfortunately the guy who can see you're being dumb can't jump out and leave you to it.
Stevey Stevey... don't get so alarmed.
http://ecotretas.blogspot.com/2009/11/rolo-compressor-de-verdades.html
Now, chill out.
Alternatively, make a little statue of Al Gore and kneel down for that each night before you go to bed. Go ahead, kneel, and lick his feet.
the ravine is still approaching, and you're just noise
Ravine?
Chill out man. Get informed. It will ease your mind.
"so much for fun". President has committed US to 17% reduction in 10 years
The part I don't understand.
You "believe" - that's right.
Yes, you believe in man-caused global warming. Sad, but true.
I stick to the facts. And hey - I don't give a shit it it gets 2 degrees warmer. Why? Nothing new under the sun, and we can't do anything bout it anyway (not man-caused, you know).
Until you come up with some evidence, rather than referring to Anglia-type 'scientist' I am going to regard you as one of the above mentioned weaker ones.
As I said - head firmly planted in the sand...
It reminds me of those religious nuts that stick to the "facts" when it comes to proving the bible. Everybody is wrong but them no matter what the science says...
Don't feed the trolls
Funny how each time warming estimates are revised, it is always upward and always at or above the previous prediction.
A claim of the sceptics was that Antarctica was getting bigger - oops! Research since 2007 has shown it is loosing ice faster than Greenland, so that's one arrow out of their denial quiver.
Another is that since 1998, the earth has been getting cooler. But that assumes climate trends are smooth curves year to year, which they aren't - the occasional hot year has been replaced with a series of them. Sceptics have to look at "hottest on record" because if you look at the average over a few decades or centuries, the warming trend is undeniable.
There are no absolute truths in science, there is observation and attempted explanation. The quality of the explanation is determined by how well it predicts future events. So far climate scientists haven't been all that great at predicting warming - they keep being [b]too conservative[/b]. It is happening faster than most predictions.
Yeah so sad eh, that cooling period.
East Anglia anyone?
Not much difference.
:)
Right;-)
warming - they keep being too conservative. It is happening faster
than most predictions."
Name one "climate scientists" that predicted the observable
temperature divergence from their models?
The divergence from observe reality is of course entirely expected.
Their models have failed to even correctly predict past (known)
climate.
Oh, the divergence is exactly the opposite of "faster than most
predictions".
Ah - the 'dismissal' attitude.
Hey, how about that *annoying* cooling we've had the last 10 years eh?
And.. 'oops'! What about that still oh so annoying medieval warming period? Yeah - all those industries at that time!
Very very annoying facts, that 'conveniently' get left out of those sorry ass hockey stick graphs.
:)
why not add a flat 6000 year old earth in there
There you go. Read this. Your "honest" scientists!
http://ecotretas.blogspot.com/2009/11/rolo-compressor-de-verdades.html
Now, have some balls and get back to me and try to convince me that you're right. That will be fun.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Losaaahhhh :)
Flintstone what is your problem. You keep commanding me to obey you
You don't like what I say. Tough it's the truth, and I won't be told by you to do anything.
Live with it, it's called freedom of speech.
What problem exactly?
How much proof do you need that we are causing serious damage to
the atmosphere?"
Actually any proof. One piece would be enough.
What's this atmospheric damage you refer to? Surely not CO2, given
CO2 has always been a component, if very small, of our atmosphere
and is at historical (geologically speaking) lows.
"Or doesn't it matter because you won't be around at the end of the
century?"
Sorry even if we accepted the worst case scenario presented by the
IPCC we'd still be around. Maybe you know sometime you'd like to
share with the rest of us?
"Fortunately there are enough smart people around to recognize that
there is a real problem, and the good news is that more and more
people are pulling their heads out of the sand and realizing that this is
a serious problem."
Assuming by "smart" you mean agree with you;-)
"Do you also belong the Flat Earth Society?"
The irony of this accusation deserves exposure. The concept of a
spherical Earth went against the "scientific" consensus of the time. It
was prove to be so, and not with models;-)
we'd still be around? Nope, some of us would still be around
7 billion population is going to drop to 1.5 billion in a 10 year period.
You think billions of starving people will stay put, or fight you for food.
How many Nukes would you need to keep 5.5 billion people away? More than we have or can use.
Say you had 300 tanks, each with between 10 and 30 rounds in them. Say each one kills 50 people. So each one kills 500-1500 people before being overrun. That means a huge tank army of 300 tanks could take out 0.5million invaders before being overrun.
What if you're on the wrong side of the resources barrier? After all a lot of western countries have been a net importer of food (and energy) for over a century.
Future not so assured.