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10 percent of Windows Phone 7 update installations failed

By | February 24, 2011, 9:08am PST

Summary: Microsoft has admitted that things haven’t gone very smoothly as far as its first Windows Phone 7 platform update is concerned, with as many as 10% of installations failing to install correctly.

Microsoft has admitted that things haven’t gone very smoothly as far as its first Windows Phone 7 platform update is concerned, with as many as 10% of installations failing to install correctly.

Michael Stroh, writing on the Windows Team Blog, had the following to say:

Contrary to some of the gloomy headlines out there, our preliminary internal data paint a very different picture about update progress:

  • 90 percent of people who’ve received an update notification have installed the new software patch successfully. (So when your turn to download it arrives, chances are good this will be a non-event.)
  • Of the 10 percent who did experience a problem, nearly half failed for two basic reasons—a bad Internet connection or insufficient computer storage space. Luckily, both are easy to fix.

Putting the gloomy headlines bit aside (I think I might have written a few gloomy ones), Microsoft here admits that 10% of Windows Phone 7 updates failed. That makes a pretty gloomy headline of its own (see above).

10% - That’s an awfully big number. In fact, it’s a shocking failure rate. Not only that, it’s very bad for the brand that 10% of WP7 early adopters have seen errors on the very first update.

Of that 10%, nearly half are down to two very basic issues - dodgy Internet connections and insufficient free space on the computer. This raises a few concerns for me. For example:

  • Why doesn’t Microsoft’s Zune software inform users that there’s insufficient disk space before attempting the install?
  • How much free disk space does a WP7 update require if so many people are affected by it?
  • Doesn’t the Zune software feature a download manager to counteract any problems caused by a bad Internet connection?

These failures are so basic that I would have expected the Zune software to anticipate them in advance, and handle them gracefully. If nothing else, this update has proves how fragile the Zune software is when it comes to handling critical updates, and clearly shows that the software needs to be improved significantly before Microsoft starts pushing more updates down to users.

OK, so nearly half of that 10% failure rate is down to two named variables - what about the other half? What are these failures down to? Are these all bricked Samsung’s? We don’t know. We don’t know because Stroh goes on to offer a faux Q&A which only barely touches on the bricked Samsung issue before going on to cover unrelated issues.

Microsoft, you could have, and should have, handled this first update to your flagship mobile platform a lot better. You’ve already got a lot of catching up to do, so stumbles like this really don’t help.

How do you think Microsoft has handled the whole WP7 update issue?

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

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RE: 10% of Windows Phone 7 update installations failed
repetry@... Updated - 27th Feb 2011
@daboochmeister
The issue is not the size of the update. Part of the process is to back up the phone which on a Samsung Focus could be up to 40 gigabytes if you added a micro sd card and fully utilized it. 99% of those with an issue that visited a Windows Phone Forum were up and running in seconds simply by powering down and pulling the battery out and putting it back in. My own Samsung Focus updated perfectly and has been flawless since it was purchased.
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iPhone updates
LiquidLearner 24th Feb 2011
I had a client who did the 4.2 update on his iPhone 4. His PC disconnected from the internet half way through the update and his phone was toast. It wouldn't restore off the PC he was doing the update on. He had to go home and restore an older backup from his home iTunes.

Not saying that the failure is excusable, but let's not act like Microsoft made a mistake while the other OS'es are perfect. I know a few people who got the 2.2 OTA update on their Droid and had it cause massive problems, e-mail stopped working, contacts got whacked and merged, etc. Although none of them are quite as bad as the phone being totally bricked. But we still don't know what percentage that really is.
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@LiquidLearner

Correct. I mentioned iOS in the other posts. It seems people quickly forget others undoings when Microsoft has a misstep.
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@Cylon Centurion 0005
It seems people quickly forget others undoings when Microsoft has a misstep.
How dare he not blame the iPhone for Microsoft's update issues! How dare he!
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If 10% of iPhones failed for an update...
Richard Flude 24th Feb 2011
we'd have every blogger on ZDNet writing about it for weeks.

Stop apologising for MS, you should be demanding quality improvements.
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RE: 10% of Windows Phone 7 update installations failed
Hallowed are the Ori 25th Feb 2011
(...) you should be demanding quality improvements.

Richard Flude
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OK.... I demand that you stop iTrolling Microsoft related articles and leave, taking your fellow iTrolls with you. That would be a great improvement.
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@LiquidLearner:

So a 0.0001% (probably less) failure rate risk for iOS updates, versus 10% for WP7.

Gee... which one would I choose again? Oh, wait - all the windows fanboys all say that I should always choose the obviously more brick/problem-prone of the two, because it has their ideologically correct logo on it.

Do you fanboys even *think* before you post?
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until the update firmware is fully downloaded from the internet. Once the update begins, whether or not your computer is connected to the internet is totally irrelevant.
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That is my question...
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 24th Feb 2011
@frgough@...
Reading it above and the reason for the failure, it appears that they are actually streaming the firmware from the servers to the ROM in real time. Otherwise, flaky internet would be a non issue as you say.

TripleII
@TripleII - ITunes fully downloads the update before it attempts to update the device, there is no streaming. I agree with frgough@... - the story of the iPhone bricking is fishy (not to mention anecdotal).
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@frgough
Maybe the download was incomplete or corrupt, but it didn't verify its own checksum before trying to apply itself?

This (hypothetical) scenario would allow a flaky internet connection to brick a phone, but would again indicate a procedural failing on the provider's part.

And MS is blaming the quality of the internet connection.
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Comprehension problems?
Solid Water 24th Feb 2011
@LiquidLearner
- The article is about WP7
- The article is about the WP7 that is going to go on Nokia en masse
- The article is about "nobody is perfect" but to position WP7 well MS should bring the chances of such hiccup to 0.01% or less if it wants more people on board with WP7.

Now, how is saying that iPhone & Android had hiccups as well helps?
No data/references provided on that. Was it a 20% or 5% failure on the mentioned platforms or was it higher?

Why don't you mention desktop OSs as well then? You remember how many times Windows updates screwed desktops/servers?

Bottom line - finger pointing is not the best argument. wink
@Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian stop acting like your precious crApple never has any problems.
I HAVE A SAMSUNG FOCUS AND MY PHONE IS NOT BRICKED.
It is the best phone I have ever used and I have used iphones, droid phones, blackberry's, WM phones, but I haven't used a webos phone.

You haters are foaming at the mouth, anything at all to bash MS and you are going to do it. You all fail to mention how awesome the OS is and how much better it is than anything else out there. But are so quick to jump on the smallest bit of negative news out there that you can say - see look how junky the new windows phone 7 is, see I told you. But guess what, I hate to break your bubble, but it ain't gonna happen. This is a VERY MINOR stepping stone to get past in the grad scheme of things. When its all said and done, WP will be the crown jewel of smartphone OS choice. Just typical reporting thats all. Reminds me of how MSNBC covers the King Obama regime (Apple in this case). They act like it is the best thing ever, even though it is actually the worst. When it does something good which is very rare, they can't stop talking about it. But when it often does something bad, they make it sound like it's no big deal....
On the other hand, when MSNBC reports on W Bush administration (Microsoft in this case), everything was their fault and they didn't do anything correct.

HUGE DOUBLE STANDARD.
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Wow, decaf time?
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 24th Feb 2011
@mikroland
I re-read the article. MS stating that 10% failure rate is not news and MS bashing? Is this statement true or false?
Microsoft, you could have, and should have, handled this first update to your flagship mobile platform a lot better.

Now, is it really a minor stepping stone? They are trying to break into an extremely competitive market. At this point, perception is critical to it's success.

Now, point me to where, in the article, Adrian is an MS hater, extols the virtues of Apple (surprisingly, replace MS with Apple and your comment is seen often as Adrian is called an Apple hater).

And bringing politics into the discussion...

Anyway, this looks really really bad for a new device wanting to break into the market. And for the record, I do hope WP7 becomes a player. Apple via Jobs are control freaks, Google, well, the SMS problem still unresolved and some other actions (included apparent bloat in 3.0) means we need another player, but seriously, 10% (or 5%) upgrade failure, MS has to take the lumps for this one.

TripleII
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@mikroland
if they didn't who would come here and post?
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Adrian's job? Hardly!
Zogg 25th Feb 2011
@John Zern
Everyone seems to claim that Adrian is biased, when he is actually just posting something in opposition to their particular viewpoint.

That should be blatantly obvious to anyone who has read Adrian's blog as much as both you and I seem to have done.

So seeing you claim that "twisting stuff" is Adrian's "job" is nothing short of despicable. What's your job, BTW?
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And you never will.
Will Farrell 24th Feb 2011
@LiquidLearner
Apple is more then happy to go out of their way to tell us how many phones they sold, but are silent as a church mouse when a problem occurs. they even go so far as to erase any mention of problems on their own forums.

Google on the other had probally has no real idea as once the manufacturers get it, they do as they please so it might be tough to gather such information from so many different sources and phones.
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Wow another Microsoft is doomed article from AKH. I must bring myself to correct you each and every time though. 10% is not gloomy at all, its a pretty low number and that Microsoft should be glad that only 10% failed instead of anything higher. But since you want to play the numbers game its really 95% that didn't have issues because 10% did, but only half of that which is 5% had issues because of their own doings and through no fault of Microsoft. So that just raised successful rates up and failure rates down. You seem to want to blame this user error on Microsoft, its not going to happen. You also seem to think that Microsoft should have every issue fixed, even the unimaginable ones. Again, not going to happen.

(I think I might have wriite a few gloomy ones)
You do each and every time you write one of your click bait articles. How about you invest in a spell checker instead?
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@Loverock Davidson
And in that 10% majority had internet connectivity or computer storage issues. Only a minor number (of course it shouldn't have happened) of users with Samsung Omnia with older firmware had the real issue. Why Samsung didn't inform their consumers of Samsung Omnia 7 about the update of their Firmware is out of knowledge. But one thing definitely comes to mind, we shouldn't buy Samsung products because their CRM sucks or they are more egotistic than succesful American companies and thus they simply ignore their customers.

Also as an english speaking writer, AKH should write more better english than me (I am not from english speaking country, and also my english is learned english while going to school than mother tongue). Look at the following paragraph...
>>Putting the gloomy headlines bit aside (I think I might have wriite a few gloomy ones), Microsoft here admits that 10% of Windows Phone 7 updates failed. That makes a prety gloomy headling of its own (see above).
He could have written with simple statements and also should have used spell checker before posting, look at the spelling for heading, huh he wrote headling. happy.
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@Rama.NET
Exactly. Half were due to user error and not the Samsung firmware.
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@Rama.NET
Let me Guess, youre Darryl form the Microsoft help Center in Bangalore?
Why didnt Microsoft warn users that unless you have updated Firmware; their bug patch would Brick the phone? Hmmm, lets see. Windows phone 7 series is not selling all that well. Now say a good 40,000 phones get bricked, then Microsoft can claim there were 40,000 more licenses sold. I smell something fishy here, and I do not trust Microsoft as far as I can throw a bus.
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@Rick_K
Mind you, I never worked for Microsoft in the past and am not working for them now also. Even though I am originally from India, I moved to USA more than a decade and half back. And if you think Bangalore represents total India, you are totally clueless. One thing Apple also has support center in India, for that matter who has not in this IT industry. India is also multi cultured country. If you think India has only Hindus or Muslims, you are wrong. India like US has more cultures and religions. Darryl could be his real name. Like you can't disclose your employer's and work related personal information to anyone, he also might have not disclosed it when you insisted. Boy, you have to learn a lot before blaming someone, if you think the other is a slave or a nothing of value because that person comes from a 3rd world country, you are totally arrogant. You have to step into others shoes before pointing out something.

Yes, I agree the issue is not small, but you can't really blame Microsoft alone for it. You have to blame Samsung also because they have not updated the firmware or at least informed there was an update to firmware to all of their Omnia consumers. Please really realize there are more issues than you really think thats it.

Please try to learn there are two sides to every coin.
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@Rama.NET Go back to your tier 1 script Haaji, and let the big boys play.

Still hoping to get out of the Geek Squad?
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@ron burgundy

stereotype much? racist bigot.
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@Ron Burgundy, at least he's not flipping burgers at McDonalds, as you do.

We'll wave next time you give us our fries!

LOL!
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@Rama.NET Mind you, I never worked for Microsoft in the past and am not working for them now also. Even though I am originally from India, I moved to USA more than a decade and half back. And if you think Bangalore represents total India, you are totally clueless. One thing Apple also has support center in India, for that matter who has not in this IT industry. India is also multi cultured country. If you think India has only Hindus or Muslims, you are wrong. India like US has more cultures and religions. Darryl could be his real name. Like you can't disclose your employer's and work related personal information to anyone, he also might have not disclosed it when you insisted. Boy, you have to learn a lot before blaming someone, if you think the other is a slave or a nothing of value because that person comes from a 3rd world country, you are totally arrogant. You have to step into others shoes before pointing out something.
I see that youre all upset based on your racist attitude . The Reference to Dah-ryhill. is an accurate reference to the lack of help from the typical Microsoft paid shill. It has nothing to do with the Country of India, only the lame excuses made up by Microsoft employees. When they say: We are to be putting you on hold for a few minutes. While they look for an excuse to point the finger at anyone else. For your info Microsoft is responsible for their failure to test the patch
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@Rick_K
do you have any proof to say that I have racist attitude. I never ever said that you are a paid shill, or another thing. Or I never called someone as turbun wearing man like Ron Burgundy called me, I never called you as someone who wants to come out of Geek Squad or something. I never humiliated you based on your race, ethnicity or any such. But you only said this "Let me Guess, youre Darryl form the Microsoft help Center in Bangalore? " in your previous response. You constantly bring up Dahryill into the topic of anything that is not even close to Microsoft. If Microsoft or its employees didn't serve you properly, that is an issue between you and Microsoft and you should have gone to the higher authorities. There are so many ways to contact them.

FYKI, Samsung is equally or in fact more responsible to this issue. It is firmware issue not the OS or any other. Please learn the difference between firmware and O/S or any other software. Firmware is the lowest level of code that makes it possible any other program to run smoothly including OS. Last time when I checked Microsoft is not into Firmware business for PCs and Phones at least. http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090317222004AAqmE8b
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmware
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Not disagreeing that it's not the end of the world, but c'MON ...

And network issues or not enough storage space are "user error"?

Dadnabit, you did it again, you got me feeding a troll ...
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@daboochmeister

User error? No, but if true, it means that it is definitely NOT Microsoft's fault that it happened, which is the point.
@daboochmeister
Yeah, like the original OTA upgrade to Froyo from eclair on EVO 4G that resulted into bricking the device was not Google's fault.
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@Loverock Davidson

Smell chucker,

wot un erf r u takin abut ?

Sunds lik tha rambluns ov a rubbid duk
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RE: 10% of Windows Phone 7 update installations failed
Rubberduck Rabidson Updated - 24th Feb 2011
@Loverock Davidson

Just ignore Linux religious fanatics, they will convert to the good MS book soon enough when we send in the Redmond Inquisition with their soft cushions and comfy (flying) chairs.

All those 10% failures were probably ex-android users who hadn't a clue anyway, they just need re-neducation.
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@Loverock Davidson

Loverock is hated all over:

"I hereby call upon Dana Blankhorn (author of TFA) to out the anti-open source trolls and shills that populate the talkbacks of his, and other, ZDNet blogs.
First among them: "Loverock Davidson", a transparent shill. Post "Loverock's" IP address(es) so that we can see who owns "his" netblock.
Post time-of-day and day-of-week for "Loverock's" talkback entries. I bet they come entirely during Pacific Time business hours."

This was from Linux Today
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Hmm
Hasam1991 24th Feb 2011
This update is coming from the same people that had a funeral for the iPhone...
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@Hasam1991

Microsoft products virtually never have significant problems.

The enclosed link describes how Microsoft looks out for any possible failing in their products with an eagle eye.

http://rcpmag.com/articles/2007/07/01/minding-your-microsoft-manners.aspx

Its a hilarious link from a pro MS website advising potential Microsoft partners on how to behave when visiting Microsoft.
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What percentage of people....
Joe_Raby 24th Feb 2011
....had problems with the iTunes 7 driver that caused a perpetual BSoD in bootup of x64 versions of Windows?
@Joe_Raby
How is a faulty .dll the responsibility of anyone but Microsoft? I would not put it past them to blame everyone else for their shortcomings. After all when you have as many shortcomings at Microsoft has, it can be depressing.
@Rick_K - do you actually know what a DLL is? It's a file containing code created by someone wanting to modularize and/or componentize their app.

iTunes ships with a ton of DLL's each providing some portion of the sum of functionality offered by iTunes. All of the iTunes DLL's are created by Apple.

iTunes is a hideous monster when it comes to resource utilization and installs many unnecessary background services and apps - go read Ed Bott's piece on just how much cr@p iTunes installs under the hood and how you can minimize its footprint.
@bitcrazed
Down boy, your?e foaming at the mouth again. If I am not mistaken, the software for Windows is all compiled using software on the approved list by Microsoft. Also of note: Microsoft doesn?t let outside developers have access to it?s hidden APIs. Those special APIs are for internal use only. It is how Microsoft can hamper competing products with hampering their own internal garbage. And on a final note, which idiotic engineer came up with the MS .dll anyways?
@Rick_K
Like bigcrazed mentioned, I could ship an applicaiton that is modularized and send additional dlls that are necessary by my apps. And iTunes, Safari, QuickTime, and Bonjour that run on a Windows Systems are Apple developed products. And all of these programs have at least 2 to 3 dlls in addiiton to language specific resources made as dlls. So Please....
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@Rama.Net

Yes, so please Rama...SHUT UP and go back to your hut.
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@Rick_K
>>Also of note: Microsoft doesnt let outside developers have access to its hidden APIs. Those special APIs are for internal use only. It is how Microsoft can hamper competing products with hampering their own internal garbage.

Last time when I checked Apple also uses a lot of hidden API, if some developer makes calls to those API, that app will be discarded by AppStore. Platform builders such as Apple, Microsoft, Google hide those just to ensure that the platform is secured. Why do you want to touch the foundation, when all you wanted is to decorate a penthouse or add an accessory outlet!
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It does a streaming update?
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 Updated - 24th Feb 2011
You mean that the upgrade is not simply a download and then executed by the Zune software? The Zune simply acts as a proxy, streaming the bits "live" into the device? This sounds to me like a truly stupid idea. As they are seeing (apparently) that there are many points of failure in the stream. We aren't talking movies where where 3 frames are somewhat garbled, we are talking a beyond critical update process.

As for size, on the computer or the device itself? I can't believe it is on the computer where there isn't enough space.

I suppose MS does this so there is no image stored anywhere but their servers, but seriously, MS, 2048 bit encryption, LIVE server sync decryption process, etc. "Live" streaming a ROM update to a hardware device, I am reminded of "bad idea..." from SNL

http://www.hulu.com/watch/10310/saturday-night-live-bad-idea-jeans
@TripleII
You might have a point, except Microsoft is perfect (and therefore unable to make a Mistake).
This must be someone else?s fault as each patch is thoroughly testes by people with Asperger?s syndrome.
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Not sure anyone mentioned this - this update was solely to update the Update process itself, right? How much software can that be, that there can be a statistically significant amount of "not enough space" errors on phones that are, like, 7 minutes old, relatively speaking?
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I caught that too.
matthew_maurice 24th Feb 2011
@daboochmeister If the pre-udate can't fit on the frickin' phone, how can the major OS update/service pack gonna fit?!
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RE: 10% of Windows Phone 7 update installations failed
repetry@... Updated - 27th Feb 2011
@daboochmeister
The issue is not the size of the update. Part of the process is to back up the phone which on a Samsung Focus could be up to 40 gigabytes if you added a micro sd card and fully utilized it. 99% of those with an issue that visited a Windows Phone Forum were up and running in seconds simply by powering down and pulling the battery out and putting it back in. My own Samsung Focus updated perfectly and has been flawless since it was purchased.
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Let's break down those numbers.
mistercatworks@... 24th Feb 2011
What we really need is a breakdown of those two categories. Internet service degradation from home or office tends to be gradual, with mobile devices it tends toward instant, complete failure - something much harder for downloaders to deal with. Insufficient memory "failure" is really a newbie developer error - not hard to check in advance of failure. "Sorry, buy some RAM" is the proper response - not "failure". It seems like the two causes were lumped together to spread the blame.
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10% is inexcusable.
ye 24th Feb 2011
If Microsoft intends to compete in this space they'll have to do much, much better.
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@ye

10% does seem high but....

It would help to know what the relative failure rate of updates for other mobile OS's are though. I know that there were many major problems with the first update to iOS, which resulted in many bricked phones, and people who tried to install iOS 4.0 to a 3G had major problems as well.

It would be helpful to know what the average failure rate and standard deviation are for a mobile OS update on other platforms. Based on what I know, I would guess that a failure rate of 10% is probably not much worse than other platforms, it is probably within standard deviation of the mean.
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Factually incorrect
use_what_works_4_U Updated - 24th Feb 2011
@Doctor Demento
The only known case of an iOS (called iPhone OS at the time) update that bricked significant numbers of iPhones was early in the iPhone product life. I was working for Apple at the time and the "epidemic" (as it was called by some) was limited to jailbroken iPhones. So the update failed when it was laid down on top of an already modified OS. I don't know the overall failure rates, but I can tell you that at the Genius Bar where I worked we only saw 2 such iPhones for that entire update. Additionally, Apple had gone to the trouble of releasing information to the press that if an iPhone was jailbroken the update might render it useless. So in those cases the update actually did what it was expected to do.

As for the iOS 4.0 on 3G iPhones goes - that is a totally different and unrelated issue. I experienced this and to my thinking the software should not have been approved for that model of iPhone, but the updates didn't fail en masse, nor did they actually brick iPhones. What happened is that Apple released a version of iOS that was poorly tested on the 3G platform and overburdened the phone. iPhone 3Gs were functional but were horribly slow. It was not, however, a failure of the update process. Rather is was uncharacteristically cr@ppy software from Apple.

Certainly not all iOS updates go smoothly but system updates from Apple (Mac or iPhone) typically have a much less than 1% failure rate.

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