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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

30GB Zunes go on strike for New Year

By | December 31, 2008, 10:54am PST

Summary: Judging by my inbox, there’s truth to the story that 30GB Zunes are failing big style.

Judging by my inbox, there’s truth to the story that 30GB Zunes are failing big style.

The problem seems to be date related and affects the latest firmware. There’s rumors of a fix which involved removing the battery but a couple of 30GB Zune owners have told me this doesn’t work, so in the meantime I’d advise against doing anything that might void your warranty.

For now, if you’re affected I’d hold back and see what Microsoft comes up with.

[UPDATE: Zune Insider has an update on the situation (thanks Coffeeshark!):

Early this morning we were alerted by our customers that there was a widespread issue affecting our 2006 model Zune 30GB devices (a large number of which are still actively being used).  The technical team jumped on the problem immediately and isolated the issue: a bug in the internal clock driver related to the way the device handles a leap year.

The issue should be resolved over the next 24 hours as the time change moves to January 1, 2009.   We expect the internal clock on the Zune 30GB devices will automatically reset tomorrow (noon, GMT). By tomorrow you should allow the battery to fully run out of power before the unit can restart successfully then simply ensure that your device is recharged, then turn it back on.  If you’re a Zune Pass subscriber, you may need to sync your device with your PC to refresh the rights to the subscription content you have downloaded to your device.

Customers can continue to stay informed via the support page on zune.net (zune.net/support).
 
We know this has been a big inconvenience to our customers and we are sorry for that, and want to thank them for their patience.
 
Q:  Why is this issue isolated to the Zune 30 device?
It is a bug in a driver for a part that is only used in the Zune 30 device.
 
Q:  What fixes or patches are you putting in place to resolve this situation?
This situation should remedy itself over the next 24 hours as the time flips to January 1st.
 
Q:  What’s the timeline on a fix?
The issue Zune 30GB customers are experiencing today will self resolve as time changes to January 1.
 
Q:  Why did this occur at precisely 12:01 a.m. on December 31, 2008?
There is a bug in the internal clock driver causing the 30GB device to improperly handle the last day of a leap year.
 
Q:  What is Zune doing to fix this issue?
The issue should resolve itself.
 
Q:  Are you sure that this won’t happen to all 80, 120 or other flash devices?
This issue is related to a part that is only used in Zune 30 devices.
 
Q:  How many 30GB Zune devices are affected? How many Zune 30GB devices were sold?
All 30GB devices are potentially affected.
]

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A bomb is something that explodes..
msalzberg 2nd Jan 2009
it neither has to kill or destroy to be defined as a bomb (if
a bomb goes off in the middle of an empty field, isn't it
still a bomb?).

While this is an old version of the Zune, it was the latest
update that had the problem, so it's actually something
that worked before, but was broken recently.

Yes, this is a very minor issue. I'm sure the fix is trivial,
and Microsoft will get it out quickly. The moral of the
story is that programmers sometimes make mistakes. In
this case no one was injured, but it's still sobering.
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BUWAHAHAHAHAH!!!! This Is TOO Funny
itanalyst2@... 31st Dec 2008
How's that social coming???

My IPod and IPhone are still rocking!
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then Apple's. Even their own 30 Gig units were failing BIG time.

http://lowendmac.com/zisman/06/0911.html

or
http://tech.kateva.org/2007/09/ipod-diagnostic-mode-and-failure-code.html

or
http://www.girardgibbs.com/ipodsettlementfaqs.asp

BUWAHAHAHAHAH!!!! This Is TOO Funny. The MacZealots will gladly accept a broken iPod, but complain when someone else's breaks!

ROTFLMAO!!!
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Even you must admit...
msalzberg 31st Dec 2008
that a hardware failure, such as a hard drive, is not the same
as a firmware update that contains a time bomb.
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Time Bomb?
mdemuth 31st Dec 2008
A time bomb would be intentional.
This seems to be more something missed, or a careless mistake.
Still a bummer though.

What will be more interesting is how MS handles it. With companies like Apple, they tell their customers to piss off when things go wrong until enough pressure is applied.
Will MS choose the correct path, eat their pride, and do the right thing?
We will have to wait and see.
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to something that's intentional. Haven't you ever heard of
something like high blood pressure referred to as a 'ticking
time bomb?'

This was apparently a programming error that went
unnoticed until a certain time, when it blew up.

That's a time bomb.
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turning something intended, aimed, and directed into pure random happenstance...
Or the results of fatty foods shoveled into one's face...
"I had nothing to do with that!"
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just a correction
laura.b Updated - 2nd Jan 2009
Ticking time bomb would indicate a problem that results in the ultimate death of the item being referred to.

A music player being out of commission for 24 hours does not a "ticking time bomb" make. Embarassing? Yes. Fatal to device? Hardly.

This coming from someone who owns neither a Zune nor an iPod, and has no desire to have either.





Also...isn't this an old version of the device? Logic would indicate that the problem has been fixed quite some time ago if the newer devices didn't suffer the same fate. We're talking about a very minor issue here, not a major tragedy that requires immediate attention so the world won't come crashing down.
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A bomb is something that explodes..
msalzberg 2nd Jan 2009
it neither has to kill or destroy to be defined as a bomb (if
a bomb goes off in the middle of an empty field, isn't it
still a bomb?).

While this is an old version of the Zune, it was the latest
update that had the problem, so it's actually something
that worked before, but was broken recently.

Yes, this is a very minor issue. I'm sure the fix is trivial,
and Microsoft will get it out quickly. The moral of the
story is that programmers sometimes make mistakes. In
this case no one was injured, but it's still sobering.
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I'm sure the battery one
AllKnowingAllSeeing Updated - 31st Dec 2008
trumps the logic chip one,

Even companies like Intel have released chips with defects (remember the MCP portion of their CPU had the floating point error?)

Chip issues happen on a larger scale then most people realize, but the issues Apple is having with the batteries is something that should've been easier to catch then an issue programed into an IC.

Things happen.
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This isn't a 'logic chip' issue...
msalzberg 31st Dec 2008
it's a mistake in the programming of a firmware update.

The difference between this and the battery issue is who
had control of the flawed part. In the case of defective
batteries - in the iPod case, and in the case of all of the
laptop batteries that were recalled - the purchasing
company (Apple, Dell, HP) didn't have control over the
manufacture of the parts. While they probably all did some
source inspections, the problems that developed were not
easily detectable.

The bad code was completely in MIcrosoft's control. It was
their programmer who made the error, and any rechecking
of the code was completely in-house.

I might add, by the way, that the hard drive issue cited
above is from 2006, and the battery issued is from 2004.
It's inaccurate to say that this is an issue "Apple is having."
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Sure they are
SkateNY 1st Jan 2009
Good luck with your POS digital accordian.
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with a firmware update or from a jailbreak software or even worse hooking up to a non three ringed Xbox sitting over there in the corner waiting. . .
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Loverock Is Hitting His Zune With A Hammer
itanalyst2@... 31st Dec 2008
Screaming WHY?!!?? WHY HAVE YOU FAILED ME ZUNE!?!? WHY!!!!???
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Very Funny
maalmike@... 31st Dec 2008
Too bad that loverock lives in the MS Realm, and will belive that this is not a failure, but a feature, that will provide you with more time to enjoy the real world..... or some other crap like that.

"Pay me a lot and I'll not work, so you can live your life with out the noise of your favorite music"

That's the loverocks kind of MS propaganda.
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Go To zune.net
itanalyst2@... 31st Dec 2008
The forums are hilarious...thousands of people with useless paperweights. The stampede alone to download the fix will crash the servers....

This is going to be fun to watch.
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Just as much fun as when it happened to the iPod
GuidingLight Updated - 31st Dec 2008
on numerous occasions!

You are correct, that was quite humorous!
The sad part is that Apple now takes down any blog that harbors a complaint. sad
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Did you buy the puck green one?
GoPower 31st Dec 2008
Never heard of a mass failure of iPods, so this certainly is a Zune feature.
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Green was a failure the moment it was approved
AllKnowingAllSeeing 31st Dec 2008
Which is why we went straight to the black ones. Kids can't even get that color dirty!
White? you gotta be kidding: "Dad my Zune has fingerprints on it. buy me a new Zune!"
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Seemed to say it all too me:)

Pagan jim
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Now hold on there buddy......
James Quinn 1st Jan 2009
You have mentioned iPod failures a couple times now and
I've not heard of these issues. I'm on Zdnet and other
sights fairly often over the years and I can't recall a singe
article of a mass failure like this Zune one here or on other
sights. NOw you again claim that Apple is keeping on the
low down but I'm not talking about any sight controlled by
Apple. I've even kept a watch on CNN's tech sight over the
years and again while Apple's iPod were not mentioned at
least in the mass failure category the Zune was.

So there iPod issues you point to how many were effected?
Was it an iPod failure or an OS failure two different cases.
What ere the percentage numbers .01% or en entire model
line? Rate the impact here.....

All that said I have to admit I'm amazed I've read there at
one work sight there was at least 4 co-workers effected
with this failure. Imagine that you can find a work place
with 4 Zunes being used. I'd not have thunk it myself...4 in
one place. I wonder if they squirted one another?

Pagan jim
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I'm always entertained...
rlorenz 1st Jan 2009
...when I see a bug report get morphed into an all out war by both sides of the issue. Zune users think that their player is the best thing since sliced bread, and apple users are so smug it's hilarious. News flash: Companies have software and firmware issues. It's gonna happen occasionally.
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Ah, but where do you draw the line?
James Quinn 1st Jan 2009
A glitch every now and again A hardware/manufacturing
issue that effects 1% 10% or 25% more? When does the
occasional glitch become less than occasional? Its one of the
reasons I choose Apple. Over the years and I'm talking many
here Apple seems to have far fewer glitches. It was a key
decision maker for me way back when and I have no regrets
to date.

Pagan jim
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Contributr
Current zune.net status message
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes Updated - 31st Dec 2008
Customers using the Zune 30 might experience problems starting their players. We?re aware of the problem and are working to correct it. The Zune Social might be slow or inaccessible. Sorry for the inconvenience, and thanks for your patience!
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It already is.
SkateNY 1st Jan 2009
The rationalizations alone are priceless.
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LOOK EVERYONE!!! THEY MENTION ME!@*$()&$*&!!!
Loverock Davidson 31st Dec 2008
First comment is about me! The second comment is about
me! The first commenter is so in love with me that he
always talks about me in the talkbacks even when I
haven't commented. He's borderline stalking me. I
can't help but feel flattered.
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Typical
SkateNY 1st Jan 2009
Only a psychopath would feel flattered for having a stalker.

Good luck with that.
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Zune-luvvin' Lu-ZER!
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best fix
coffeeshark 31st Dec 2008
Looks like the best non-MS fix is to disconnect the battery for a minute, set your PC to Jan 1, 2009, and then resync some music to the player. Only if your 30gb Zune is out of warranty and you feel comfortable taking it apart (various sites are available showing you how).

It's just an mp3 player, I don't think anyone's life will end if you don't get to use it for 24 hours. If it was a phone or PDA, maybe.

Let the trolls gloat, anyone who needs to post over and over about a failed mp3 player doesn't have much else to live for, so give them their glory, maybe it will keep them from beating their dog today.
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where is mike cox?
Linux Geek 31st Dec 2008
Only he can put a positive spin on this M$ crap.
That's what happening when a device is not running Linux.
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You're here, good enough
Boot_Agnostic 31st Dec 2008
happy
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or, maybe he's just spending new year's eve with his rep.

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In a meeting
SkateNY 1st Jan 2009
Mr. ***** is, most likely, consulting with his business partners whom, as he's reminded us several thounsands of times each day, are very important people in the Microsoft food chain. Given this, they can't be bothered with something as trivial as an inconvenient failure for their underlings, uhm, I meant customers.
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Gives a new meaning to being Squirted
gregory.dworak@... 31st Dec 2008
Bwaaaaaaahahaha

Could you imagine the cacophony from the MS fan boys if this happened on an iPod, iTouch or iPhone? As usual, Microsoft's feeble attempts at competing with Apple in the Personal Entertainment arena have failed miserably. Zune, like Microsoft's CEO Ballmer is a total and complete joke. It has been a very bad and embarrassing year for them. Vista, Yahoo, Zune, what new big failure awaits them around the corner? This company needs some serious new leadership at the top.
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Interesting really...
dcoaster 31st Dec 2008
This just shows how many Zune users there actually are (were?). And all you silly tech news sites thought the iPod was the big cheese. Shame on you all. sad
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Official report / fix
coffeeshark 31st Dec 2008
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Great. Microsoft innovates a new bug, for a relatively new product (one Microsoft year is roughly equivalent to seven human years -- check out the time between OS releases, e.g.), and then only discovers it when it's too late. Procrastination (read: incompetence) seems to be one of their strengths, if not also a social skill.

Bad enough that tax payers, consumers and businesses footed a bill totalling hundreds of millions of dollars for their Y2K debacle. (Oh. We forgot the century was turning. Our bad.) Now, owners of their failed "iPod killer" have to suffer yet another insult, beyond a significant degree of insult that obtains from the simple fact of owning a Zune.

When does it end? It ends when Microsoft discovers a bug that dissolves their incompetent corporate mismanagement. Oh, wait. That bug was already discovered but, because Microsoft is Microsoft, noboday cared. Except for those zanie Microsoft Kool Aid drinkers who seem to believe that every POS Microsoft creates is touched by Midas himself.

Thanks again Microsoft. You're nothing if not consistent.
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"Thanks for your patience?" Microsoft lemmings have been willing to wait 30 years for a mediocre product. MSFT investors have been willing to wait more than a decade for a decent return on their investments.
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Given the number of Zunes actually sold, I'm amazed anybody actually NOTICED! ::ba-DUMP!::

If a 30 GB Zune fails in the woods...does anybody really care?
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Well it better fix itself...
bitshiftr Updated - 1st Jan 2009
Plugging your Zune into a computer goes undetected. The Zune does not boot up, period. How are you supposed to flash or update or anything when your computer doesn't recognize it as a device and sits at the load screen? Unless I'm missing a device in the device manager, it cannot be recognized at all.

I'll pay for the shipping if you want to give me your brick. I'm thinking of redoing the exterior of the house...

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