Apple's EULA nonsense

Apple's EULA nonsense

Summary: Granted, not many people read EULAs, but at the end of the day is there any point. Take a look at this weird clause in Apple's EULA for Safari 3.1 for Windows.

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[UPDATED 03/27/08:  Apple has quietly updated the EULA.

Granted, not many people read EULAs, but at the end of the day is there any point since most are just gibberish.  Take a look at this weird clause (via The Register) in Apple's EULA for Safari 3.1 for Windows:

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2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions. A. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time.

Sure thing Steve.  I can't agree to those terms. 

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  • So apparently

    users aren't the only ones not reading EULAs. The manufacturers aren't reading them, either!
    bmgoodman
  • Clearly an Insidious Plan to Force Non-Apple Hardware Out

    It's either a typo/gibberish, or an insidious plan to force non-Apple hardware off the desktop!

    Which seems more likely? Hmmm.....

    ;)

    racingmustang
    racingmustang
    • Indeed

      This is Apple's plan:
      -Automatically download it onto unsuspecting users' PCs via Apple Update (http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1567)
      -Force them to trash the PC or pay up when they've unwittingly agreed to the EULA.
      -Dominate the desktop PC market!

      Now we just have to wait until Microsoft comes up with something equally insidious :)
      Eapache
      • -????, -Profit!!!

        Old Slashdot meme. =)
        Marcos El Malo
  • No need

    For a EULA to remind me common sense: Never any Apple product
    Mectron
  • RE: Apple's EULA nonsense

    Poor Apple! I guess this will end up in countless requests for Apple stickers to label Windows machines...
    H.rald
  • RE: Apple's EULA nonsense

    The fishy part to me was the clause about using the software to reproduce copyrighted material.

    So, if you're on an Apple, and you copy this Talkback and paste it in an email to all your friends under the subject:This man is brilliant!, then you are violating Apple's EULA.

    You know a EULA has gone too far when virtually every user of the product is violating its terms.





    :)
    none none
  • I'm more than happy to comply with Apple's EULA

    I guess I won't be reinstalling Safari... ever! That's okay, it brought my Vista reliability index down from 9.67 to 6.21 and the fonts were so blurry, I could barely read anything with it.

    By the way, has anyone ever checked out OS X's EULA? BRUTAL!!! Apple has the right to break into your computer and collect information from you at any time without any notice. I hope you OS X users have a good [b]Linux[/b] 2 way firewall!
    [i]4. Consent to Use of Data. You agree that Apple and its subsidiaries may collect and use technical and related information, including [b]but not limited to[/b] technical information about your computer, system and application software, and peripherals, that is gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, product support and other services to you (if any) related to the Apple Software, [b]and to verify compliance with the terms of this License[/b]. Apple may use this information, as long as it is in a form that does not personally identify you, to improve our products or to provide services or technologies to you.[/i]
    NonZealot
    • What an idiot!

      ??????
      labarker
      • Is that all you have to say...

        Gee, nothing to refute the irrefutable proof? What don't you understand?

        There it is in b & w.

        [i]4. Consent to Use of Data. You agree that Apple and its subsidiaries may collect and use technical and related information, including [b]but not limited to[/b] technical information about your computer, system and application software, and peripherals, that is gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, product support and other services to you (if any) related to the Apple Software, [b]and to verify compliance with the terms of this License.[/b[ Apple may use this information, as long as it is in a form that does not personally identify you, to improve our products or to provide services or technologies to you.[/i]

        Try weaseling your way out of that one, fanboys
        hasta la Vista, bah-bie
        • Ha! I see nothing of concern!

          The glasses that Lord Jobs sent me with my Mac have a heavenly tint that blocks all that inconsequential text... But you should see how it intensifies the same words from the Villainous Microsoft! All is well, caress the glowing blue Apple... Our beloved and trusted icon would never use what he collects from my underwear drawer to harm me! Its for the good of the Hive!!!
          Chippolus
  • A question about what Apple labeled means..

    Does it mean that Apple labeled the computer, or does it mean the computer must have a label on it that reads 'Apple'?

    If it's the latter, then a piece of duct tape with the word Apple scrawled on it with a Sharpie would suffice. Said piece of tape could even be stashed conveniently inside the case of the computer.
    Letophoro
    • LOL - that's funny. ...

      NT
      ItsTheBottomLine
  • EULA's need reform and users bill of rights.

    I don't know how someone can sell/license something to you
    and you have no rights and they maintain all rights to do
    whatever they want to the software on your machine when
    ever they want. They can prove you guilty of violation and
    shut you down without recourse and without fair trial.

    These EULA documents must be re-written to represent the
    user/customer.
    LittleGuy
  • This is one more reason I'm glad

    I use Linux and Free Open Source Software. The license terms are clear unambiguous and give me the right to use the software as I choose, for what ever purpose I choose, on as many machines as I choose.
    tracy anne
  • Apple's EULA idiocy

    This EULA represents the antithesis FOSS. But where would Apple be without FreeBSD? What a bunch of Maroons!
    djchandler
  • I don't see anything wrong with this portion of the EULA

    Yo, Adrian!

    As a designer of custom-built computers for well over 20 years, I don't see what the problem is that you have with this portion of the EULA.

    From what I see, Apple is saying you are licensing the software to one Apple brand computer. (Nothing is said about non-Apple hardware attached to it.)

    BTW what they are saying is just like Microsoft who says your license is for one computer. MS gives you the freedom to use ANY brand, unlike Apple.

    Aside:
    Are you aware if your Dell or HP or my custom-built computer's motherboard dies then Microsoft's official policy is for you to purchase a replacement OS as well? :-)

    Apple then wants you to agree that you will work with legally acquired software and files such as photographs and music. And what's wrong with that? They are protecting the copyrights of artists such as photographers and musicians. Those same works are protected by Federal Copyright Law.

    What do you want Apple to do? Say it's OK with them if you steal the creative works of others? Wow, would that open them to lawsuits! At least here they say, "Hey! Don't use our creative works to steal that of others."

    Adrian, why didn't you spell out what you see that's so bad? Then at least the readers would know what you had in mind.

    Thank you.

    Terry Thomas
    Custom Systems Builder (PC Tech)
    Professional Photographer (Terry Thomas Photos)
    Atlanta, Georgia USA
    http://TerryThomasPhotos.GooglePages.com
    AtlantaTerry
    • Apple EULA

      You see nothing wrong with it? you didn't look closely to the pic of the EULA.

      Your Quote:

      From what I see, Apple is saying you are licensing the software to one Apple brand computer. (Nothing is said about non-Apple hardware attached to it.)

      The problem is that it was from software running on a WINDOWS based computer.

      Somebody at Apple should have updated that EULA when Apple released the software for Windows, but didn't. That said, the EULA makes EVERY Windows user for that software automatically in violation of the EULA, even though Apple is trying to gain market share on Windows based computers. Poor planning, inside sabotage, stupidity or just plain arrogance, it doesn't matter.

      They just made every Windows user that downloads and installs their software a criminal, even though they offered it and in some cases pushed it through some shady "pre-selected" options for updating other software.

      It'll make for an interesting trial if it ever goes to court... Similar to solicitation and pandering lawsuits.
      shepherdm1
  • So why is Apple pushing Safari out to Itunes/Windows users?

    Maybe Steve Jobs didn't read the EULA either.
    John L. Ries
  • RE: Apple's EULA nonsense

    It's no better or worse than Microsoft's EULA. I think that ALL manufacturers should be required to write their EULAs in plain English, readily able to be interpreted by the average Joe who doesn't have a legal degree.
    stand3