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Are Mac sales driven by "Intel Inside"? I think it's more to do with "Windows Inside"

By | February 5, 2010, 10:58am PST

Summary: Over on Apple Matters there’s an interesting piece by Chris Seibold that suggests there’s a correlation between Apple switching to Intel CPUs and the dramatic increase in Mac sales. Is it really “Intel Inside” that’s selling Macs? Or is it more to do with “Windows Inside”?

Over on Apple Matters there’s an interesting piece by Chris Seibold that suggests there’s a correlation between Apple switching to Intel CPUs and the dramatic increase in Mac sales. Is it really “Intel Inside” that’s selling Macs? Or is it more to do with “Windows Inside”?

Pre switch Mac sales were flattish. After the first Intel powered Macs came out sales trending decidedly up and once the transition was complete Mac sales took off.

Seibold then goes on to look at, and dismiss, the notion that Mac sales were driven by Vista (or user’s poor reaction to the OS) and Mac OS X refinement. Breaking down the sales into desktop Macs and notebook Macs, Seibold concludes that it’s the superior Intel processor in the notebooks that’s driving sales, given that it’s an explosion in portable sales that are really driving Mac sales.

It’s a compelling read (and I encourage you to read the piece), but I’m not convinced.

Why?

Because I have a hard time believing that most people know what brand the CPU in their Mac is, and of the minority that does, few care. The days of a processor brand name or MHz/GHz selling a system is behind us (OK, power sells to hardcore and power users, but as far as the buying public go, it’s irrelevant). The idea that it was the lure of “Intel Inside” driving people into Apple Stores to buy Macs doesn’t make any sense to me. Joe “Buying” Public doesn’t think like that.

I have a different idea, one that’s linked to the Intel CPU, but not directly.

Boot Camp. Yep. My take on the Mac sales explosion is that it was the ability to set up Windows on a Mac as a dual boot OS was what really made Macs both viable and relevant. It allowed people to make the leap to the new OS, but still have a safety net in case things didn’t work out. Compatibility was no longer a sticking point and people could switch between operating systems to suit their needs.

Note: I know that apps such as Parallels allowed people to do this, but the leap to a third-party app is too much of a leap for most.

Intel CPUs made Boot Camp possible, so in a way it was Intel that helped boost Mac sales, but only indirectly. What really boosted Mac sales was Windows.

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

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MacNewton 23rd Feb 2010
My Clients are buying a Mac for the OS and not for the CPU. They
understand that it's a good buy, runs without a lot of technical help, easy
to use and it's got a good name for reliability. The fact that it can run
windows OS my never come up at the time of purchase. The fact is 1 out
of 100 customers will run windows. So your right mschmitt it can't be
boot camp!
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Very interesting
Tola1005 5th Feb 2010
I'm really gonna have to agree with you on this one. I hear a lot of the "my Mac can run a PC but your PC can not run my Mac" too often, and I agree that its only possible because APPL switched to intel (and MS EULA doesn't require you to have a Windows logo slapped on the hardware that runs it's OS).

I doubt MS minds though, cos it means more Windows licenses will still be sold. happy
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that 2/3rds of the Windows installations on Macs are Torrent images so
Microsoft probably don't make a great deal out of them.
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Dual Boot
steveh99 17th Feb 2010
Now it's all x86 format (Intel) I'm pretty sure you can format a hard drive to dual boot Mac OSX and Windows XP, meaning you can have more than one partion on your drive and can run either Mac OSX or Windows XP
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Not a bad call
MC_z 5th Feb 2010
Surely a lot of switchers had a key Windows app or two that
they didn't want to leave behind--at least until they got
comfortable with what's available for OSX. Having a nice
dual-boot computer gives them the best of both worlds.
Better yet is the inexpensive emulator like Parallels, which
not only lets you avoid rebooting, but also allows you to
share data between worlds.
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Dual Boot
steveh99 17th Feb 2010
Again if you have two sep partitions you don't need an emulator if you know what you're doing. I did tyhe same with a Linux distro and Windows XP
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For myself
oncall 5th Feb 2010
I must have Windows "available" for my work. Though I probably use Windows once or twice a year for work emergencies, and Citrix has allowed me to use Mac OS for 99% of my work needs, though I could go 100% Mac OS now. But I could not have taken the initial plunge on Mac if not for dual boot. So yes, for me it was 100% because of "Windows inside", NOT Intel inside.
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Let it run Linux
Ron Bergundy 5th Feb 2010
and EVERYONE will buy a Mac, and the age of Windozes will fade away by next year!!
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It CAN run Linux
NonZealot 5th Feb 2010
So what's your excuse now?
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It doesn't come that way from Apple
Ron Bergundy 5th Feb 2010
Like the ability to order a PC with Linux.

If Apple made a mac with Linux installed from the factory, then people would be buying them in droves!!!

The ONLY reason PCs with Linux from dell or HP or Compaq don't sell that great is because theses people don't want Dell or Hp or Compaq hardware.

If people had a choice to run Linux on the mac without any software to make it possible, then Mac sales would probally quadruple in about a 3 month time frame.
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OK, that tears it... you're a moron.
Hallowed are the Ori 5th Feb 2010
The ONLY reason PCs with Linux from dell or HP or Compaq don't sell that great is because theses people don't want Dell or Hp or Compaq hardware.

LOL!!!! Yeah, you go right ahead and keep saying that... prove to the world that you're a moron.
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Then why else do you believe
Ron Bergundy 5th Feb 2010
that for companys like Dell or HP, that they're not selling more Linux systems then they do?

Because people don't want a safe, secure, unhackable and virus and mallware free PC?

no, because people WANT Linux, they just don't want their hardware!!
[nt]
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Because, generally speaking, nobody wants Linux
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 5th Feb 2010
While you and your circle of friends and acquaintances might want Linux, the 60M copies of Win7 sold (mostly to consumers) clearly indicates that MOST PC users would rather buy Windows than move to a free OS that doesn't offer them what they want.
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not true
crabbypup 8th Feb 2010
most users are happy to run linux, but most
don't know that they have a choice that isn't a
mac. and most also don't know that it is free.
there are a few who have tried linux before, but
were unsatisfied with it because it was an old
version. the linux kernel and the whole system
in general has evolved massively from what it
was even 5 years ago. linux is being developed
at a much faster rate than widows or mac. as a
result the linux system may soon surpass windows
or mac in their ever growing feature set. i
migrate people over to linux as one of the
services i provide as a business owner.
customers are generally very happy with linux.
only one of the systems i installed for people
is no longer running linux. and that system has
since been thrown away. linux is a viable option
for some. but even i will admit that there are
few games that run well in linux as of yet, and
wine is generally not a valid solution. i love
linux and i love the games that there are, but
until we can get wine working well enough for
games or enough native games, we will never have
the massive userbase of the other os's. we have
gained ground, but there is still much work to
be done.
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Amen to that!
bobfastner 9th Feb 2010
You nailed it.
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Unreal. Completely.
Cayble 7th Feb 2010
So bizarre its like right out of a comic book.

People don't want Linux because it cannot do all the things Windows can. Its that simple.

Get used to it.

If Linux does what you want it to, great. But seriously, get used to the idea that the vast majority of people using Windows do not have security problems and that Windows is still easier to use then Linux.

Again, one last time, GET USED TO IT.
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Linux not as Easy as Windows?
Horus418 Updated - 8th Feb 2010
Sorry I am sure I read that, can you please point me towards a live version of Windows/OS X that runs from a CD, installs to a flashdrive or a DVD RW.

Can you show me any other OS that has the support, software and updates that any flavour of linux has. Point to any OS that allows you to make it how you want it to react, that does not have restriction to what you can do to it as a power user given but you can also make it indestructible to the clown user.

I have never figured what people buy Apple for, Windows because it is the main stay of business and home computing is quite clear, but Apple OS?. Linux used to be a geek thing but now it has grown up and is far superior to anything else out in the OS market, secure, fast, reliable, individual, extremely stylish, Independence of large corporations and their control.

Also just to put it in context Apple and Linux has the same share of the market, around 10%. So keep your Windows/OS X but don't flame the beautifully free and open Linux it is and should be the way forward NO RESTRAINTS.

Gnu day to you.

P.S. I better say I would not want Linux on an Apple as I would want a PC that had power behind it not a nice finish and lacking in balls. This is not to say you need a powerful PC to run Linux as I am sure it is the only one that would install in just about anything you put it into.
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Aside from games,
ringofyre 8th Feb 2010
(which it seems Macs have a little trouble running as well). If you name an app or feature of win* then I guarantee I can find something to do the same or better under gnu on any distro. GUARANTEE.
ftr - long time debian/'buntu server admin & I occasionally dual boot vista on my home box so I can... you guessed it, play games.
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Waaaa HA!!! The Majority of Windows users DO have
problems! Get real damn! A Trip to Geek Squad is
an excuse to drop HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS Of course
this is no problem when you are a tech cashing in
$$$ and of course they don't have a problem unless
its bad checks. I have never seen a black and
white bug before either right? No need for that in
the Windows world.
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Dude, you will never convince them.
bobfastner 9th Feb 2010
Linux users are like the Hare Krishna folks that
used to hang out at the airports. All they can
hear is themselves speaking and the sound of their tambourines. Everyone is mistaken except them. Mac
users are the Christian Scientists of computers.
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Linux - your doing well. God I hope now reads your comments and thinks you're a typical Linux user.
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I agree about Dell...
bandersnatch42vt 9th Feb 2010
...since Dell tends to use proprietary hardware in their machines (but does the consumer know this?) but I don't agree about HP. 99% of HP hardware is off the shelf stuff and easily upgraded with more "off the shelf" pieces/parts. I never liked the fact that HP, like others, load up the OS with crapware (would they crap all over a Linux install also?) but HP's hardware has a deserved reputation of being very standard and robust.

I'm currently dual booting Linux Mint 8 KDE CE with a soon to expire Windows 7 RC on an old HP a645c I upgraded a couple years back. Mint runs fine on it. Fast, solid, massively secure and very usable for my needs.

For that matter, Windows 7 RC has been giving me similar performance on the same machine with the single exception that it's not secure by default (hackers and script kiddies go after market share after all) and I needed to add Avast! and a firewall.

Sorry, but the hardware thing just doesn't add up.
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LOL - sorry that reply was funny...nt
ItsTheBottomLine 8th Feb 2010
nt
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Selling it with Linux wouldn't change the price...
olePigeon Updated - 5th Feb 2010
Selling it with Linux wouldn't change the price, nor would it improve
on the compatibility. OS X comes free with the machine anyway. If
you want Linux, download it and install it.

Alternatively, you could just run your favorite OSS on OS X anyway
since it's UNIX.





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@Linux All The Way
Axsimulate 5th Feb 2010
"If Apple made a mac with Linux installed from the factory, then people would be buying them in droves!!!"

ROFLMAO! Yeah, maybe it would increase Linux's marketshare by 1, you.
him down... ROFL..
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nt
...Apple wouldn't sell loads of Macs if they
came with Linux, because most people don't know
what Linux is! This also applies for why the
likes of Dell & HP don't sell my Linux machines.
If people didn't like Dell or HP hardware then
they wouldn't still be in business! More or less
all of our 50 odd servers are HP!

For me Linux is great, it does exactly what I
want it to do. Please please stop spouting
rubbish!
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Avid Linux User
rMatey 8th Feb 2010
(shaking head up and down vigorously)

(eating Cheetos)
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Of course you could say...
bandersnatch42vt 9th Feb 2010
...that any PC sold or built is a Linux machine?
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Have to agree with NZ...
Aragorn_z 9th Feb 2010
Once again, with a strangely odd feeling, I find myself agreeing with NonZealot (who is a Zealot after all). Home Linux users use an OS that generally is free as to cost, so I doubt that the Apple hardware, which is expensive, is going to lure them. They can buy a comparably equipped PC for far less money. And I say this as I type on my Macbook Pro, which I love. But I love it for the combination of Mac OS X and the extremely well built hardware, not the hardware alone.
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LOL
steveh99 17th Feb 2010
The reason people dont want linux is because its an unfamilar OS and people cant play their games or do most of their apps they're use to doing on a PC.. I know I build, repair PC's as I have for the last near 16 years. I know what people want and Linux isn't one of them lol
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What is this "Windozes" you speak of? (nt)
Hallowed are the Ori 5th Feb 2010
nt
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But they remind me soooo much of Tribbles.
Hallowed are the Ori 5th Feb 2010
Wait... maybe it was that salt-sucking monster on planet M-113 they remind me of... yeah that's it.
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Jeeez, wasn't that the first episode? (nt)
bandersnatch42vt 9th Feb 2010
(nt)
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Uh What drugs are you on...?
Wolfie2K3 Updated - 8th Feb 2010
Seriously... Inquiring minds wanna know how you got to be so delusional. If for no other reason than to avoid taking the stuff by mistake.
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@Let it run Linux
cysurfer 8th Feb 2010
Shows how much you know about a Mac. It DOES run a
modified linux under the covers and utilizes a Darwin Mach+BSD
kernel.

As for straight linux on the desktop, hmm, not ready for prime time
as it requires to much tweaking to get things to work which is
complicated and time consuming. As a result, the average user either
doesn't want to spend the time messing with it or doesn't have the
technical knowledge required to perform these tasks.

As for me, I only run linux and solaris on my servers but the desktops
are Mac with Windows VMs for those specific applications that are
required but only available for Windows. A Windows desktop required
my spending more time fixing problems than I spent using the
system. A linux desktop was nice but limited and required too much
time getting things to work and then redoing that work with every
update/patch that was applied. Mac provided the best of both
worlds.... A GUI interface for ease of use plus the ability to jump to a
terminal and run straight linux command line. The big pay off was
that in over a year of running on a Mac desktop, I have had to spend
zero, I repeat ZERO, time fixing or tweaking anything. It just works!
and that is well worth the few extra dollars in my book.
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lol
steveh99 17th Feb 2010
Windoz as you so dimwittedly refer it to is in no danger of losing its market share to either OS considering Windows XP (yes XP too), Vista, and Windows 7 are all still selling quite well worldwide..
I own 5 PC desktops and a Mac laptop and guess what I use more?
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Absolutely right
NonZealot 5th Feb 2010
I would never have purchased my MBP if I couldn't run
Windows natively on it. So far, I'm very happy with my
decision.
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How's your battery?
maskman01 5th Feb 2010
Any issue with the Win7 battery issue.

Killed my HP battery the 3 months I've been running it.
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bendib 5th Feb 2010
I have been laughing my ass off the whole time about WIn7 killing batteries! HAWW!!!

root@localhost ~#
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Why is that?
John Zern 5th Feb 2010
Whats so funny about your friend or co-worker having battery issues?
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It didn't kill mine.
Rama.NET 5th Feb 2010
--Ram--
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It didn't kill mine.
bvonr@... 8th Feb 2010
I Have an Acer 9410 and have been running Win7 since the first public beta and have not noticed a single minute of difference to my battery. I bought Win7 Pro when it came out and still no problem. I really do think most people with problems haven't ( or don't know how to ) changed the default power settings.
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Battery problems are nonsense
stano360 9th Feb 2010
It is a non-issue, unless there is a sub-routine that deliberately draining and re-charging the battery constantly (if that's even possible to program) it's simply not true. Heat and cycles are what kill batteries (or manufacturing flaws in the battery).

I had a battery go bad in my year old HP, but it had a broken fan and overheated and trashed the battery.
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Good hear.....
OhTheHumanity 5th Feb 2010
HP Compaq...7 for 9 months now.
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Very good, actually.
CobraA1 8th Feb 2010
"How's your battery?"

Very good, actually. I think it's not really that widespread of an issue, and it's entirely possible that people are inappropriately blaming the OS.

One thing I've learned is this:

Whenever an issue gets a lot of publicity, many people will take a symptom and pretend every time they have that symptom, they're having the same problem as everybody else.

Doesn't matter if they're really having a totally different problem, doesn't matter if their problem is 100% unrelated.

As long as they share the same symptom, they claim they have the same problem.

And I've found this type of mistake is incredibly popular, even with people who should know better.

It's far easier to play the blame game than to actually diagnose and troubleshoot the issue.
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Your Right
MacNewton 23rd Feb 2010
My Clients are buying a Mac for the OS and not for the CPU. They
understand that it's a good buy, runs without a lot of technical help, easy
to use and it's got a good name for reliability. The fact that it can run
windows OS my never come up at the time of purchase. The fact is 1 out
of 100 customers will run windows. So your right mschmitt it can't be
boot camp!

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