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Can a desktop OS ever truly be "touch ready"?

By | August 24, 2010, 7:53am PDT

PC operating systems, or for that matter any desktop OS, don’t make good platforms for touchscreen devices. The whole keyboard/mouse paradigm doesn’t translate well to being used by fingers and powered by gestures. Cursors are fine motor tools that can work with pixel precision. Our fingers are big lumps of meat that cover pixels by the acre. Can these two things be ever me melded together?

Patently Apple has uncovered an Apple patent for an iMac touch system. This system switches from Mac OS X (desktop) to iOS (touch) modes depending on the screen orientation.

What’s interesting here is how even Apple can’t seem to solve the touch dilemma without resorting to two operating systems.

Over on Between the Lines, Larry Dignan offers the following insight:

It’s not hard to see a day where you use both the mouse and the touch user interface, but it strikes me as a bit odd that there needs to be two operating systems to pull off such a trick. Are we on to a path where we have a mobile operating system riding shotgun with more industrial ones? Picture Mac OSX with iOS. Windows with Windows Phone 7. Google’s emerging Chrome OS with Android. These dual OS pairings are nice, but the solution isn’t exactly elegant.

I agree, dual OS solutions are inelegant in the extreme. One of the biggest problems revolve around the need to have two tools (one on each OS) for each job you need to do. Then there’s the problem of how to make the data accessible through both operating systems.

Note: Apple’s already shown that it’s not against dual OS systems - remember that this is the same company that shipped the Boot Camp tool on Mac OS X to allow users to install Windows on their Intel-based Macs.

The best solution I can think of, and one that I believe will ultimately be adopted, is a single OS featuring a fast-switch theme. One theme would be designed to be driven by a keyboard and mouse, the other fingers and gestures. It’s not only the OS that would need to feature switchable themes, the software would need to switch modes too (don’t believe me - think about the hassles of trying to work with something like Microsoft Word of Excel using your fingers). The web is already pretty well suited to touchscreen use, but certain elements (Flash player apps spring to mind) can still feature microscopically small controls that make touchscreen usage both frustrating and challenging. 

Apple’s approach here is an interesting one, but ultimately I think that it’s a stop-gap until the company can come up with a more workable solution. Unless, of course, Apple is more interested in that 30% cut it gets out of app sales, and wants to spread the use of iOS in order to increase sales.

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

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RE: Can a desktop OS ever truly be
keyboardformac 26th Aug 2010
Windows have had a touch-screen option for a while, but I don't know anyone who uses it. The screen ends up being filled up with oversized buttons. Check out our article on this at: http://tinyurl.com/3xahqfv
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Transition Between the Two
clindhartsen 24th Aug 2010
Part of what I'd wonder about would be the transition between the two different OSes, if they did go that route. Would you be able to stay on the same webpage, or work on the same file, or would it be as if you went into hibernate and entered a foreign world?

I almost have to ask though, do we really want touch screens on our desks? Even if the screen was tight in front of us, the idea of us bending over these giant screens [iMac's start at 21.5" for example] and moving our hands around doesn't sound really comfortable.
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Exactly
LBiege 24th Aug 2010
It's one thing to touch a 10' / 7' screen but a whole lot hassle a 24' one. A multi-touch mouse pad, if you will, no bigger than a 10 x 7 setup is the furthest I'd go for. I have absolutely no interest moving my hand all over a big screen all the time.
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RE: Can a desktop OS ever truly be
Jeremy-UK 24th Aug 2010
@LBiege I think you're probably right, maybe in really short bursts on a system designed for it (I'm thinking Microsoft Surface) where you're doing something short. I can imagine using it to look up information in a hotel lobby, or in a shop when making a buying decision. But not when working on my own computer.
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RE: Can a desktop OS ever truly be
dave95. 24th Aug 2010
@Jeremy-UK

There are use cases for Touch on desktop screens (or Laptops). There are many times I just want to do something simple and feel the urge to reach over with my finger, but can't. I have to fiddle with this 30 year old mouse pointer system for everything.
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RE: Can a desktop OS ever truly be
Loverock Davidson 24th Aug 2010
Just think of those radiation levels, the closer you get to the monitor the more you will absorb. Now physically touching such a large screen, its going to wreak havoc on the body. It won't be long before some d-bag starts suing because he has no more finger prints left from swiping, or worse getting his fingers burnt from touching the screen.
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What radiation?
kyron.gustafson@... 24th Aug 2010
@Loverock Davidson...Radiation levels on LED and LCD screens are so low that is is difficult to measure with any known methods.
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Sweet.
Cylon Centurion 24th Aug 2010
@Loverock Davidson

I've always wanted a third eye...
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RE: Can a desktop OS ever truly be
Jeremy-UK 24th Aug 2010
@Loverock Davidson Aren't you thinking about CRTs? LCD Panels don't produce much radiation (all electronic devices produce a little). Really this isn't an issue.
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What radiation levels?
vulpine@... 24th Aug 2010
@Loverock Davidson : Do you think modern displays still emit electrons instead of light?
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Loverock FTW
klumper 24th Aug 2010
@Loverock Davidson

Nice. wink
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RE: Can a desktop OS ever truly be
roteague 24th Aug 2010
I use a Touch Screen Windows 7 laptop on a daily basis. I love it, and can't wait until I can do the same for my desktop; the only thing stopping me from doing it now, is that desktop touch screen monitors are too small. With my laptop I use mostly touch, although I will sometimes use a mouse; very rarely do I use the stylus.
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RE: Can a desktop OS ever truly be
Jeremy-UK 24th Aug 2010
@roteague Really? I had a pen based PC (a Compaq TC1000) and while that's not the same thing the only application that gained much was Microsoft OneNote (which is pretty much useless without a Pen). What do you find to do on it?

Almost everything in Windows 7 is hopeless with touch (the targets are too small) or are things you might use to show how cool your computer is, but not actually use day-to-day.

I know some of the OEMs put touch based goodies on their machines - I've not seen any I really liked, but to be fair I've not done much research, or spent any real time with a touch enabled PC.

I don't think this is something I really want on a desktop.
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I watched a police dispatcher
becabill 24th Aug 2010
@roteague trying to use a stubborn ELO touchscreen once. She knocked the CRT completely off the back of the console. Boom.
A bad-tempered bunch, those women...
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RE: Can a desktop OS ever truly be
dave95. Updated - 25th Aug 2010
Here's the bigger picture that's missed: iOS will be everywhere from iPod Touchs to iPhones, to iPads, to iMacs (MacBooks), and if the rumored iTV if true then on TVs also. With an army of developers ready to follow the ever advancing Apple/iOS ecosystem.

Touch is where all the excitement is right now so this was expected, by Apple.
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RE: Can a desktop OS ever truly be
becabill 24th Aug 2010
@dave95. A touch screen TV? My remote has a touch screen and I hate it.
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Open your mind
dave95. 24th Aug 2010
@becabill

Have you ever used an iPhone or iPod Touch? Makes one hell of a remote for Apple TV now (with the Remote App).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUzy8jcjvPs&feature=related
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No thanks....
omdguy 24th Aug 2010
I don't EVER want to touch my beautiful 24inch monitor, EVER!

Touch is WAY overblown. Yeah, it's fine on a phone (don't care about a tablet) but for the PC, skip touch and let's get to good, reliable voice command!
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screen size...
shryko 24th Aug 2010
@omdguy I actually have to agree... with a big screen, it's not going to be low enough quality for the finger-print smears to be very nice to look at.

For a 7-14 inch laptop? I wouldn't mind using touch at all, as it's meant for close-up use, and cleaning it is already something I expect to have to do.

Oh, and ironically enough, phones are where voice command seems to be developing most rapidly... after all, who wants to touch their phone while driving? Where I live, texting/holding a phone while driving is illegal, and subject to a fine.
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Try 15 inches
klumper 24th Aug 2010
@omdguy
No thanks.... I don't EVER want to touch my beautiful 24inch monitor, EVER!

Hell, I won't even touch my 15 incher shocked ... er, monitor.

hehe wink
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so... I figure that having a touch-sensitive screen which has both finger-or-stylus interface would make most sense... You can cram a lot more functions in the advanced user panels and expect only a pen would be used for them... while having the "general use" controls be large enough for imprecise fingers...

imagine video playback software... or file navigation software... you have a few big buttons for the common commands (ie. play/pause, stop, fast forward, favourite folders, or home folder, etc.) but have the little button to call up the options menu/panel/window, where you either have thin fingers, or you use a stylus/pen/etc)

With older Palm PDAs, people were fine with the stylus when it came to writing, or for selecting among the squeezed options. Why can't the same apply to a tablet/laptop/desktop?


Beyond this... I think we're gonna see a more linux-like design, where there's the same core, but a different set of interface libraries on it... Windows Server 2008 and Windows 7 have the same core to them... shifting the size of the taskbar, and common controls, and the options windows, and you've got a new, touch-centric version!
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Because Apple said so
Cylon Centurion 24th Aug 2010
@shryko

Therefore, no matter how practical stylii(?) are (And I agree BTW, I don't mind using them), using them is too complex for the masses, and must be rid of.
For example, Linux is the underlying OS for Android, but the UI toolkit (let's call it the UI layer) is completely different than the two popular Linux desktop UI layers: Gnome and KDE. There are dozens of replaceable UI layers available for Linux. There's no reason that OSX or Windows could not have replaceable UI layers too.
One thing being overlooked in this discussion is that Mac OS X is already making use of components of the touch interface built into the iPhone and iPad--including pinch and other multi-finger gestures--by way of the new Magic Trackpad. It's not a touchscreen interface, but it is still very much like the experience of the iPhone and iPad, and I think it's fair to say that Windows users have yet to learn what this is all about. I am looking to see if Apple will make the Magic Trackpad available to Windows users (not sure how it interacts with Windows on a Mac), but if they don't, perhaps others will step up and create a similar input device for the PC. Apple's Mighty Mouse also makes use of these gestures, but I personally liked the Magic Trackpad better than the Mighty Mouse when I was trying it out the other day at my local Apple Store.
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No
MSFTWorshipper 24th Aug 2010
The ergonomics of this are terrible. Also who wants to wipe down such a large screen all the time? It's hassle enough to wipe down my iPad every 2-3 days.
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RE: Can a desktop OS ever truly be
johnnylumber 25th Aug 2010
I have never felt the need to have a touch interface on the desktop. If you can do the same thing with the mouse why do you need to stretch your arm over to actually touch the monitor?
Imagine the ergonomic issues. Go ahead, reach over to your monitor and start moving your finger around. How long before you start to feel a strain in your shoulder? How close would you have to pull your monitor over to alleviate at least some of the immediate strain? Imagine the issues of repetitive stress that will build up over time that you may not even notice until too late. The entire idea of reaching over and touching your monitor appears nice until you really have to spend any length of time doing it. To accomplish the same thing with a mouse requires a relatively small movement...same thing with your finger will require a larger movement of your entire arm and shoulder. Disaster waiting to happen.
A touch pad type interface would be nice. My bamboo pen/touch works nicely but for real detail work you do need something a little more elegant and fine than your finger.
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RE: Can a desktop OS ever truly be
keyboardformac 26th Aug 2010
Windows have had a touch-screen option for a while, but I don't know anyone who uses it. The screen ends up being filled up with oversized buttons. Check out our article on this at: http://tinyurl.com/3xahqfv

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