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Can Microsoft make Windows work on tablets ... this time?

By | September 8, 2011, 5:08am PDT

Summary: Microsoft needs new places to put Windows on. The smartphone is one of those areas, the other is tablets.

Next week sees the BUILD conference kick off, and it is expected that Steven Sinofsky, president of the Windows division at Microsoft, will be showing off Windows 8 on a tablet. Many people are wondering if Microsoft’s focus on tablets will pay off. I’m wondering if Microsoft’s focus on tablets will work … this time.

Why do I say ‘this time’? Because Microsoft has been talking about tablets for some time now. A decade ago then Microsoft CEO Bill Gates was talking up tablets at Comdex 2001, a plan which fizzled out of existence. Then last year current Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer was talking up tablets at CES 2010, even going as far as to demo a device … which never shipped.

In other words, Microsoft has been looking at putting Windows onto tablets for a long time now. Do you own a tablet with Windows on it? Probably not. Not many people do. I’ve been in the market for a good Windows-powered tablet for over 10 years, and even I don’t have one.

In the wake of the iPad and Apple selling some 30 million, and countless OEMs flooding the market with Android tablets, Microsoft now thinks that the time is right for yet another attempt at breaking into the tablet market. Will it work? I don’t know, but to be honest I think that for Microsoft’s sake it has to.

Here’s the problem … the desktop (and notebook/netbook) market is stagnant (no, it’s not dead, nowhere near). Systems are having to last longer (and thanks to Moore’s law outpacing the demand being placed on systems, that’s to be expected), and there’s less and less to draw people into a new operating system (unless you sell the upgrade really cheaply, as Apple has proved with Mac OS X 10.7 ‘Lion’). Microsoft might still be pulling in the big dollars in terms of profits, but it’s reliance on the PC market isn’t firing up the investors. Compare Microsoft:

To Apple:

As people turn to web-based services, the browser has become the operating system. Does it matter what operating system you’re using when you’re on Facebook or Twitter or Flickr or Google Docs or Office 365? It doesn’t.

So with desktops, notebooks and netbooks all stagnant, Microsoft needs new places to put Windows on. The smartphone is one of those areas, the other is tablets. Windows Phone is out and slowly it’s gaining ground in the face of still competition from the iPhone and Android handsets. Windows tablets will also release to very stiff competition, in particular from the iPad, which by the time any Windows tablets hit the scene will already have an install base measured in the tens of millions.

So what does success or failure hinge on? Many thin that it’s down to one thing … Microsoft making Windows simply work on a tablet. No. If that was the case Windows tablets would have taken off a decade ago. There’s a lot more to tablet success or failure than that.

Getting Windows to run on tablets and then making Windows actually usable on those tab lets is only part of the story. Microsoft needs to show that it works, and works well. Then the OEMs need to get on board and make solid products at a decent price. And then stand behind those products.

Do you think Microsoft can do it all?

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

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RE: Can Microsoft make Windows work on tablets ... this time?
gregnewm7 Updated - 11th Sep
Microsoft is strong in the business Enterprise market and businesses have been want a microsoft Tablet OS that works well for years now. Microsoft will sell a lot of Windows 8 tablets if they are good and propery interface with microsoft
server and Microsoft office and other software they make for the Enterpise. Microsoft windows 8 tablet must be like the Ipad was when it first came out which was the ipad could run some of the Iphones apps that way when the Windows 8 OS on tablets comes out it will have thousands of apps from the windows phone 7 that will work on it and it wont be a weak
product because of lack of apps that can run on it.
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@Return_of_the_jedi

Can Microsoft make Windows work on tablets ... this time?

dunno

PS. Can you please stop with the question mark in the title. Please tell us something we don't know. Know what I mean?
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@Return_of_the_jedi Do you normally reply to yourself?
@jhammackHTH hahaha.. looks like he does wink
Also...
I would like to see NAND locked devices, yes I know NAND locked = bad for geeks like us but it's good for the casual consumer. MS could market it as virtually virus free, reboot if you think you have a virus and as if by magic it's gone. Yes there will most likely be a way around the NAND locks like there is on Android phones, but hey it'll stop a lot of problems.
If you have seen one in action it looks powerful and smooth. It will do things the other tablets won't do and I think it will blow the other tablets out! Microsoft has been doing good work and even if the WP7 has not taken off does not say it is not a very good phone OS. I think they are working on getting back in the game and doing it well. Let the fanboys speak! No one can make good software but my favorite company and I only use the software that they put out. Hahaha!
The question instead should be, why is Microsoft afraid of WP7 on tablets? Why are they afraid of licensing out WP7 to OEMs instead of trying to force-feed Windows Tablets onto the consumer market, again? I personally think lightweight WP7 with its metro UI is better suited for a larger multi-touch device than Windows OS is. And it would be the obvious answer to the iPad and Android tablets.

Seems like they're afraid of changes to their guard (Windows/Office).
@dave95.

Actually it is because the MetroUI will be in Windows 8 but the selling point is Windows 8 will give the best of both worlds. The touch intuitive UI but with the power of a FULL OS behind it. You can even go into that full OS if you need to. This is something other Tablets have yet to offer without going hybrid with a Mobile OS and Full OS on separate boots.

Seems like you just wanted to make up a trolling comment without understanding the purpose of Windows 8.
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The UI of a smart phone
dfolk2 8th Sep
@bobiroc

But with ALL the bloat of the most gigantic OS MS has ever built. I am glad Ballmer is the CEO of MS, with his visionary leadership hopefully the MS OS monopoly will not be with us TOO much longer.
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@bobiroc

Actually it is because the MetroUI will be in Windows 8 but the selling point is Windows 8 will give the best of both worlds. The touch intuitive UI but with the power of a FULL OS behind it.

Sounds great don't it? Now can you show us concrete stats that consumers really want such a tablet over an iPad? Metro-like shell above full blown Windows on a tablet form factor? Sounds like the same old Tablet-PC/Slate PC to me that consumers ignored for over a decade, but this time with a metro-like UI shell layered above. Requiring WP7 developers to learn new APIs for writing apps specifically for this shell.

There's lots of questions: What about the cost of licensing their full blown 'bread n butter' Windows to OEMs? Microsoft is not going to be giving away their bread and butter OS like Google. This certainly will up the pricing of these tablets in the market. What about battery life running Windows against other modern mobile OS's? How will it sell seating next to a $199 Android tablet a year from now or a heavily marketed iPad with the largest ecosystem around?
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RE: Sounds great don't it?
bobiroc 8th Sep
@bobiroc

It sure does. As far as concrete proof goes browse some of the blogs and forums on the topic of tablets and that will give you an idea of people that actually would want it. Working in education I can say that it is much desired as it would make the tablet less of an accessory to a computer and more like a fully capable device. I have heard over and over statements like "I wish I could run full programs on my tablet like I do on my computer but still have the touch interface for tablet based apps at the same time or be able to switch easily"

Despite your feelings there are some that want more out of a tablet than a phone OS on a larger screen.
"There's lots of questions:"

You are right. There are a lot of questions about how well an unfinished product is going to work in a market.

Were there questions about how well the iPad was going to do before it was released? Yes.

Were there questions about how well OS X was going to do before it was released? Yes.

Were there questions about how well the Newton was going to do before it was released? Yes.

I've used a couple Windows 7 tablets and they were terrible. I can see why they didn't sell well. The hardware was clearly not up to the task and the UI was not touch friendly. The Newton was also an unmitigated disaster in the market. Yet from the Newton came the iPad (so we are told). Sometimes great ideas simply come out too early before the hardware is able to fully support those great ideas. Sometimes great ideas simply get 1 or 2 things slightly wrong which messes up the final product.

I hope that the Windows 8 tablet succeeds and I'm hoping (perhaps against hope) that modern hardware has finally reached the point where yes, it can support an OS like Windows 8. I'm hoping (perhaps against hope) that Metro turns out to be the touch friendly shell layered above Windows 8. After all, we are constantly told that iOS is basically OS X with a few things stripped out and a touch friendly UI and API thrown on top of it and look how well that turned out.

So are there questions about the success of Windows 8 tablets? Of course. Only an idiot would suggest there weren't (and only an idiot would think they were smart for posing those questions). What I don't understand is this two-faced idea that any time MS goes down the same path Apple does, they are "firing up their photo-copiers" and any time MS doesn't, they "don't get the market".

What I don't understand is this desire for MS to fail, this desire that there be fewer choices. MS might fail and if MS releases a bad product, they deserve to fail. I don't wish it though. I'm curious why you do?
@dave95.

you want states? think about this, all ipad owners either have a PC or a macintosh. they buy ipads but they still buy PCs.
@bobiroc

"Despite your feelings there are some that want more out of a tablet than a phone OS on a larger screen."

Won't dispute some want it, the concern is how large is that "some" especially when compared to the iPad projected 100 million. Some users wanted Kins also swearing there were a tween demographics.
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RE: Can Microsoft make Windows work on tablets ... this time?
LoverockDavidson_-24231404894599612871915491754222 8th Sep
Go back and read your history. Microsoft has had Windows on tablets for a long time. Not just talk about them, but actually having Microsoft Windows loaded on tablets. They didn't sell them to the general public because the general public doesn't need one. Some other OEM tells you that you do, but that's just a false statement. Microsoft sold these tablets to warehouses where they are actually used and not collecting dust on the night stand.
@LoverockDavidson_

Well, they were sort of used.... Don't lose the stylus! Definitely NOT a touchscreen as today's tablets all sport. And all the tablets were underpowered. Yeah, they ran Windows, but not really that well. Nothing at all like iOS on an iPad or Android on a tablet today.

In the past, the Windows tablets were big, clunky and stylus based; they were trying to copy (did I really say that MS copies?) what Palm was doing at the time and add their own little items to differentiate. Now, they are trying to copy (did I really say that again?) iOS or Android and add their own little items to differentiate.
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They are copying iOS or Android?
toddybottom 8th Sep
@benched42
"Now, they are trying to copy (did I really say that again?) iOS or Android and add their own little items to differentiate."

What planet do you live on? They are doing the exact opposite of copying iOS and Android. In fact, they are the only company not copying iOS and Android.
@benched42 Let me help you out there a little bit Benched...

"Now, they are trying to copy (did I really say that again?) iOS or Android and add their own little items to differentiate."

Now they (MS and Android) are trying to copy (did I really say that again?) iOS except MS is trying to add their own little items to differentiate and Android basically said screw it and just straight out copied the iPad.

Now isn't that better?
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You read your history
symbolset 10th Sep
@LoverockDavidson_ You're right that they had them and didn't sell them. You're wrong about why. They were manufactured, sold to retail, and set on the shelf. And there they stayed until they were sent back because people wouldn't buy them.

You can get them still, on Amazon and eBay and various vendor websites. But finding one in the wild is passing rare.
Not as one OS for both tablets and PCs! [It appears that Windows-8 is being designed for tablets, to the exclusion of PCs. If not, why is MS keeping the PC part of the new OS a big secret?] Tablets and PCs are two separate form factors and emphasis on what is important. The two OSs just need to have a great deal of compatibility for ease in transferring data from one platform to another--more than just synchronization (merging).
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Where do you get that idea from?
William Farrell 8th Sep
@TsarNikky
It appears that Windows-8 is being designed for tablets, to the exclusion of PCs

So the classic user interface for desktops that's in Windows 8 was put there just to give the old UI team something to do?

You keep ignoring that, and implying that they're making Win8 exclusive to touch interface, no desktop consideration at all.

knowing that, I'm curious, why you keep trying to convince people otherwise?
@William Farrell

Seems so many are ignorant to what Windows 8 is about doesn't it?
@bobiroc : Well, I mean, it's not as if Microsoft has done anything to explain it's design process for each feature of Win8 or anything? Right?

Right.

Alas, those with the greatest amount of fear and hate will do anything to remain ignorant about the thing they fear the most.
@TsarNikky actually this has to do with touch walls, surface, all-in-one touch screens, and tablets. Windows 8 will run all of these, the metro interface will be workable with Kinect as well as touch and mouse and keyboard. With how fast Windows 7 runs on minimal hardware, Windows 8 is going to be equally so if not faster, and will/can load the interface needed for the input devices available, And you can pick what interfaces you want. As hardware gets better, the insanity of options is increasing. I'll dock my smart phone and/or tablet and it becomes my desktop (same os, new interface). Or skip docking and it uses bluetooth and wifi connections to provide the "docking". Ah, the future will be as cool as the movies. I am an optimist, of course. wink
I think it depends on whether Microsoft "gets it" about why people buy tablets. All indications are that they don't. I say that because they are going down the same path ("people want Real Windows on their tablet") they'd been on for ten years when Apple found the secret key to tablet success, which is that people do NOT want a full-blown OS on a tablet. For the uses they have in mind when they buy a tablet, people want a fast, simplified OS. People do not want another PC. They already have a PC.

If Microsoft truly understood this, they would be pushing Windows Phone for use on tablets. It's not only lightweight and fast, it's here now. You watch: a year from now, in hindsight, arriving late will turn out to have been Microsoft's biggest mistake in regards to both tablets and phones (although Google's idiocy regarding patent infringement may yet save Microsoft's bacon on phones).

All indications are that Microsoft believes that more people want little PCs without keyboards than want iPads, when ten years of empirical evidence is screaming "No!"
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@Robert Hahn on the contrary they are delaying with a purpose let the consumers fully realize for what the ipad really is a baby os toy. let the novelty factor die down then launch a full windows 8 strategy.
they have been in the game for 10 years and they are smart. no bafoon can create and run microsoft.
this may look like the ending of butch cassidy movie but look at the facts, ipad is a baby pad it is just a big phone iphone users wanted a big phone for couch and bed time use and they get what they wanted. young generation got pulled by all the hype and baught a few million of these devices they can never replace pcs first realization has to come. it is utterly useless for any serious computing.
in all likelihood we will see the ipad market shrink to 20% in 2013 it is just not good enough. wait for windows to launch we will see.
@augustus_rome

Yeah, that novelty factor has really died down hasn't it? iPad sales have not reached a plateau yet.
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Ready? Let's go
Robert Hahn 8th Sep
Do you also do stand-up? You're telling us that Microsoft's Secret Plan is, "We wait until they have us completely surrounded, and then we jump out guns blazing." It sounds like the end of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.
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I'm glad that Microsoft is trying
toddybottom 8th Sep
What I find truly ironic is that the people who insult the "competition" for coming out with "me-too clones" of Apple products are the exact same people who insult MS for "not getting" the tablet market because they won't come out with a "me-too clone" of an Apple product.

I've tried a couple Windows 7 tablets at the MS store and quite frankly, they were terrible. MS has a lot of work to do.

However, I hope they do not attempt to create just another "me-too" iPad. MS is going in a different direction and people are saying this is a bad thing?

Whether MS will succeed or fail with Windows 8 has yet to be seen. However, all of those who want MS to fail with Windows 8, please raise your hands. I want you to be publicly identified as being officially against choice and officially in favor of yet another "me-too" iPad.
@toddybottom

I don't feel WP7 phones are me-too iPhones, therefore WP7 tablets won't be me-too iPads imo. I think the metro UI are distinctly different much the same way WebOS was distinctly different from iOS/Android (hardware aside).
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WP7 is the direct descendent of WM6
toddybottom Updated - 8th Sep
@dave95.
"I don't feel WP7 phones are me-too iPhones"

Nor should you. MS has a long history of putting out smartphones based on their CE OS line. WP7 is just the latest version of an OS that first came out 10+ years ago. No one would look at Lion and think it was a clone of Vista just because Vista came out before Lion just like no one would look at WP7 and think it was a clone of iPhone just because iPhone came out before WP7.

"therefore WP7 tablets won't be me-too iPads imo"

It would be taking the exact same approach that Apple took though. That might be a sound business decision considering how successful that approach has been for Apple until you look at the unmitigated disaster that is Android, QNX, and WebOS on the tablet. There are many who suggest there is no tablet market, only an iPad market. I fully agree with those people. I personally believe that it would be idiotic for MS to go down the same path as Google and Palm / HP and RIM. How many unmitigated tablet disasters do there have to be before companies realize they can't compete with Apple? MS realizes they can't compete with Apple just like Apple realized they couldn't compete with MS in the OS licensing market (hence the killing of the Apple clone).

So MS isn't competing with Apple. They aren't releasing a tablet. They are releasing a slate.

Will it be good? I don't know. I hope it is good.

" I think the metro UI are distinctly different much the same way WebOS was distinctly different from iOS/Android (hardware aside)."

Then you'll be very happy to know that Windows 8 on the tablet will have the Metro UI.
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It weighs 4 lbs and has a 5 hour battery life.
It's pretty good, barring some minor annoyances. Although I use it as a regular laptop most of the time, the finger scrolling and the pen input comes in handy now and then.

There are some decent, but higher priced than average tablet pcs out there right now.
Stick a pull-out stand on a new Windows 8 Tablet and attach a bluetooth/wireless/USB keyboard and mouse to it and BANG you have the equivalent of a full powered laptop. OR detach the above and I am back to a Tablet using just a touch screen that outperforms an Andriod/iPad tablet. Now which for my money would you expect I would buy?
@ManKzin - better still, attach a slate to a base housing the keyboard, touchpad, additional battery, additional IO ports, etc. and you now have an all-in-one laptop. Detach the screen portion and you now have a tablet. Kinda what Asus is going to be doing with their next-gen EeePad Transformer
@bitcrazed - Yes, that is what I am talking about, especially the price of $399 though that is andriod, I can see it being priced alittle more but hopefully not more than an iPad.
I have been using the HP TC4400 tablet since 2006, which has WinXP installed in it.

You guys need to get with the program ... tablets have been out a lot longer than the Apples. AT&T resurrected Apple, Inc. by getting them to develop the iPhone.

http://reviews.cnet.com/tablet-pcs/hp-compaq-tc4400-tablet/4505-3126_7-32131023.html
@tosh382
That's basically a laptop, very heavy etc... no wonder Apple has an iPad market, you just don't get it..
@Hasam1991

Or maybe you don't - a good number of us actually want the full power of a laptop in tablet form. It's not that heavy, and it's quite a bit more powerful than an iPad.
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MS to its own fault has failed at marketing to consumers what their products do. (ex. Zune HD & Zune Pass, Media Center). When I tell people what their pc can already do, I get the same response "I didn't know it could do that". Since they won't have any Microsoft Stores out anytime soon, they better put some money into the Retailers to setup a mini Microsoft Store inside places like Best Buy so they can give customers the experience that they want to present. Consumers aren't techies...
@antonparrish@...
But Microsoft would still be relying on the same Best Buy employees, often part-time college students working for beer money, who really couldn't care less.

The only way Microsoft succeeds in the consumer retail market, in phones and tablets, is by fully taking control of the entire retail experience. They may also need to go into the manufacturing business, producing Microsoft-branded Windows Phones and tablets.

The OEM model may work now on computers, but for consumer retail electronics gadgets, it's the wrong business model.

Apple, aka the new Sony, gets it.
"As people turn to web-based services, the browser has become the operating system" - the interesting recent statistic suggests that the trend for mobile users is actually towards apps, rather than the browser - for Facebook in particular, but also for the likes of Twitter.

Which suggests that given a free choice, users are less browser centered than a lot of technologists think. They are definitely web centered though - the most popular apps are social or have a social dimension, like Hipstamatic / Instagram / etc.

And with the popularity of Apps, it looks like operating system counts again - hence the Touchpad and Playbook flopping, despite their merits as devices. It looks like users don't just want something that will give them the web.

All of which is good news for Microsoft.

The other big one for Microsoft, of course, is that there are a LOT of line-of-business applications that are still Windows only - a Windows based tablet is an easier migration than a rewrite into a new language and new APIs. But there is only a small window of opportunity, because a lot of companies are being dragged into iOS and Android support, even if they want to avoid it.
Well, I have been using Windows on a tablet since XP came out on a tablet. I use it on my touch-enabled HP Touchsmart as well. I have been successfully using Windows on a tablet since 2006 and LOVE it. Android and Apple are johnny-come-lately's that cannot do what I do regularly with my Windows product.
When it comes to productive tasks Windows 7 works much better on tablets than people who blog and never use Windows tablets understand. Sure Windows isn't geared towards an ohhh ahhh experience currently but that's what the new titles UI is about.

One thing that Windows does better on tablets than any other OS is digital ink. Put that wonderful digital ink technology into an light and long battery life ARM or even better an next gen x86 slate at the price of a base iPad and you an instant hit for students.

The potential for Windows 8 to transform and redefine the whole PC, laptop and tablet market is huge. The selling point is is ONE device that does it all. If Windows 8 can do tablets well, and looking at Windows Phone I think that's not going to be a problem, why buy one limited device when you can have one UNLIMITED device.

In these tough times, less is more especially when less DOES more.
Market it as a tablet you can get some work done on. Make it beautiful, as in art for your desk. Bundle it with a wireless keyboard and include one USB port at least for a mouse when you need one. Be sure it is trivial and intuitive to use by itself though. Add a kickstand to the case so it'll stand up when you need it to, and make sure it has support for any printer out there. Then find the perfect touch technology and insist every maker uses it. Screens that don't show fingerprints, and feel like vellum. JMHO
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Have the programmers use ONLY tablets to code and test.

No emulators. No simulators. Lock away their PCs and give them tablets.
It is not just the tablet that needs to work. The entire ecosystem needs to work, Zune, apps, video, etc.
I love my HP tm2 running Windows 7, which is the third Windows Tablet PC I've owned. It's a powerful machine that has both a keyboard and excellent handwriting recognition and a responsive touch screen. The only thing the iPad has that I want is longer battery life.

Unfortunately, it looks like HP has stopped selling these. Perhaps this is in response to HP's plan to exit the PC business entirely. At any rate, the biggest hurdle Microsoft has to over come is that the Windows OEMs aren't as committed to anything Microsoft does as Apple's contract assemblers are committed to everythign Apple demands. Microsoft has to woo hardware manufacturere who have other fish to fry; Apple only has to dangle an RFP in front to get companies fighting to land the business.
Suppose you ran one of those hardware OEMs. And suppose you just read your own note.

How much money would you be willing to bet that the only thing standing between the thousands of units HP sold of the tm2, and the tens of millions of units that Apple has sold of the iPad, is longer battery life? Do you think if you could put a magical battery in a tm2 that would last 15 hours, you would suddenly sell tens of millions of units?
@Robert Hahn

...you could (probably) do this with a 9 or 12 cell battery. It would weigh far too much, though.
Microsoft is strong in the business Enterprise market and businesses have been want a microsoft Tablet OS that works well for years now. Microsoft will sell a lot of Windows 8 tablets if they are good and propery interface with microsoft
server and Microsoft office and other software they make for the Enterpise. Microsoft windows 8 tablet must be like the Ipad was when it first came out which was the ipad could run some of the Iphones apps that way when the Windows 8 OS on tablets comes out it will have thousands of apps from the windows phone 7 that will work on it and it wont be a weak
product because of lack of apps that can run on it.

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