Dell spreads iPad FUD

Dell spreads iPad FUD

Summary: I'm still trying to make sense of the comments made to CIO Australia by Dell's global head of marketing for large enterprises and public organisations, Andy Lark, regarding the iPad.

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I'm still trying to make sense of the comments made to CIO Australia by Dell's global head of marketing for large enterprises and public organisations, Andy Lark, regarding the iPad.

I've come to the conclusion that the comments are either ill-informed or just pure FUD. I'll let you decide which.

Here's the first comment that caught my eye:

"Apple is great if you've got a lot of money and live on an island. It's not so great if you have to exist in a diverse, open, connected enterprise; simple things become quite complex."

OK, so if the iPad makes "simple things become quite complex" then how about elaborating about how a Windows 7 or Android Honeycomb will help. I don't expect anyone at Dell to say that iOS is better than its offerings, but I do expect more substance to the argument.

Here's the second comment that stood out:

"An iPad with a keyboard, a mouse and a case [means] you'll be at $1500 or $1600; that's double of what you're paying," he claimed. "That's not feasible."

Hmmm, really?

  • iPad 3G = WiFi 64GB = $829
  • Leather Smart Cover (the most expensive) = $69
  • iPad keyboard dock = $69
  • Mouse ... mouse??? Who needs a mouse to operate the iPad?!

Total = $967. That's far, far short of the "$1500 or $1600" Lark was talking about (unless Dell has plans for some super-expensive iPad accessories ... maybe a mouse?).

FUD. FUD. FUD.

Topics: Dell, iPad, Mobility

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  • RE: Dell spreads iPad FUD

    Truth truth truth.

    Why so fast to defend Apple all the time? How much do they pay you for your "unbiased" blogging?
    Droid101
    • RE: Dell spreads iPad FUD

      @Droid101
      He wasn't defending Apple, he was pointing out that the Dell Dude made absolutely idiotic statements.

      When top execs spout this kind of drivel, you know the company is in serious trouble. He clearly has no understanding about even the simplest aspects of a product that is kicking his company's tail.

      Dell can't even define reality, much less compete with it.
      Synthmeister
      • RE: Dell spreads iPad FUD

        @Synthmeister

        Was he talking U.S. or Australian dollars?
        richdave
      • RE: Dell spreads iPad FUD

        @Synthmeister

        <i>?Apple is great if you?ve got a lot of money and live on an island. It?s not so great if you have to exist in a diverse, open, connected enterprise; simple things become quite complex.?</i>

        Well, agreed his pricing is way off, even accounting for exchange rates etc. But the above "fud" statement doesn't sound like FUD at all.

        To have an iPad you must also have a PC which means the iPad is an 'extra' and at a minimum of $500 it is an expensive extra. That's not a bad price, but poor people or middle class folks with non-tech priorities will still be priced out of it. As far as "replacing the third pc in the house" most of the time the third of fourth pc in a house is a 'flowdown' system. Dad's castoff or something which is effectively free. For example my mom is using a pc from my gf who got it from her mom who got if from her husband. It was free for everyone but my GF's dad. $500 vs free is a tough sell.

        <i>OK, so if the iPad makes ?simple things become quite complex? then how about elaborating about how a Windows 7 or Android Honeycomb will help.</i>

        Well, regarding Win 7, would that be because the entire corporate enterprise system is already based around working with Windows? Yes. Yes it would.

        Just running through a mental checklist of my own work in the Enterprise: Can my iPad access my email? no. Can I use it to write code? no. Can I use it to even view code? no Can it access Quality Center? no Can it get on my corporate vpn? no Can I use it for corporate voip? no My corporate IM? no Internal internet? no Can I take notes on it? sure Can I get those notes easily off the iPad onto a corporate device? no I can go on...

        That's what he means by more complicated. That will change over time, but changes in the enterprise world are sluggish at best.
        SlithyTove
      • RE: Dell spreads iPad FUD

        @Synthmeister The prices estimate was high, no argument. But the rest is just fact. No saying Android or WP7 is set to do that right now either, but better set to do it soon.

        I see him as being correct, mostly.
        timspublic1@...
      • RE: Dell spreads iPad FUD

        @ SlithyTove

        Other than the original setup, you don't need a computer to use an iPad.
        msalzberg
      • RE: Dell spreads iPad FUD

        @richdave<br><br>He has to be using US dollars, though the only major difference is in the cost of the iPad, which is AUD$949. Still, it makes the overall price less than $1,100, which is a far cry from $1,500 or more.<br><br>Another option is to use something like the PADACS Rubata or Tocata keyboard case. This is a case with a built-in iPad bluetooth keyboard. The Rubata, the most expensive is about AUD$80.<br><br>The real idiocy of his statement is that most other tablets being released are around the same price as iPads, which means that his debate (except for the mouse), would apply to other, similar tablets - including those from Dell. Not a very smart debate at all! :-0
        Wakemewhentrollsgone
      • RE: Dell spreads iPad FUD

        @timspublic1<br>"The prices estimate was high, no argument. But the rest is just fact."<br><br>What? Including the non-existent (and absolutely unnecessary) iPad mouse. As for the prices, his overall cost is 40-50% more than reality. That's not "high", that's ridiculous. And you can only achieve anything remotely like those prices with the top level iPad, which not everyone purchases, yet his statement could be interpreted as applying to all iPads. Smells like FUD to me!

        I can't wait to see Dell's new tablet mouse! ;-)
        Wakemewhentrollsgone
      • RE: Dell spreads iPad FUD

        @Synthmeister; buddy a simple ebay Australia search would have given you the facts. Ipad 64 GB sells for around AUD 1250 + the accessories mentioned does take it to AU$1500 or so. This guy was right. Problem is Adrian, who called him a liar without checking facts.
        mm71
      • RE: Dell spreads iPad FUD

        @msalzberg

        <i>Other than the original setup, you don't need a computer to use an iPad. </i>

        For a given definition of "use". I mean, I could use my desktop without an internet connection but it really limits its usefulness.

        The current incarnation of the iPad experience is based heavily around iTunes and iTunes needs a PC.

        At bare minimum you need a PC for software updates and backups even if you are ok with the limitations of using the device without a PC to connect to.
        SlithyTove
      • RE: Dell spreads iPad FUD

        @SlithyTove

        You might need some help getting your iPad up and running in your enterprise -- ir it just may be that your IT dept has locked things down so tight that nothing will work.

        My own experience

        -- I access Outlook email without problem. Can't see why there would be any difficulty obtaining any email on the device. Email is no longer a black art unless IT wants to make it so...

        -- I run 2 x VPNs. Setting them up on the iPad was frankly magical. To set up one VPN on the ipad - 3 actions. To do the same on Win7 - 13 actions -- (needed me to print out the instructions, the Win/7 situation was so complicated!)

        -- writing code? why not? Executing it may be a challenge, depends on the code, but even without a keyboard (and these are cheap and effective) I dont understand what the problem is here.

        -- corporate IM - I grant you this one - I haven't found a way yet to run this natively. We have a mix of Macs and PCs so I use Parallels on the Mac to emulate being in the old world. (I try to think of it as a positive -- to have one less channel to manage when I am on the go - but I agree it would be a "nice to have".) Someone needs to go write an app for that.

        - Cannot see why your internal intranet is hidden from you. I use mine just fine... Is it something special or archaic?

        - notes - use searchable Evernote - works for PCs too. Auto-sync in real time across phones, tablets, desktops, with web, SAP, capture twitter streams and facebook notes there, etc. Use a livescribe smartpen? it works also and syncs across all devices via Evernote.

        And to use the "flowdown PC" is a spurious argument, IMO. If it's free, then you have a free iPad activation device, right? Even if it is running that ancient OS with the old versions of Office and runs as slow as a dog, rendering it unusable by its original owner and therefore only fit for grannie, it can still do the iTunes thang. And frankly Grannie wants an iPad :-).

        I think the key point of this whole thread is that it seems that the Dell guy hasn't actually used an iPad. I have many friends in MSFT still (I used to work there) and it's obvious that they just dont understand the paradigm -- until they borrow my iPad and then they get it real fast. Once they -- or Grannie -- have tried one for real, they instantly get why this is easier and more fun to use than a Win PC or equivalent. And while it's true that it cannot replace some tasks on the PC, it's surprising how many have been devolved to the iPad from both my Win/7 PC and more recently, my MB Air (yes I succumbed this year and went Apple, as did most of my management and sales teams.)

        Don't even get me started on the software costs difference between Win and iOS. The latter is typically less than a 10th of the price of any corporate Win app I have found...

        In summary, I am not an apologist for Apple (my firm makes Android tablets for heavens sake) -- I just want to set the record straight.

        My choice was
        -- [Mac + iPhone + iPad] vs
        -- [WinPC + WinMo + Dell Streak] vs
        -- [Chrome PC (?) + Droid phone + Droid tablet].

        In these competing product families, which is the most coherent at this time?
        ever1nose
      • RE: Dell spreads iPad FUD

        @ever1nose

        Nice! An informative, well thought out counterpoint free of ad-hominem, accusations of corporate shillery, or personal attacks! You must be new here. :)

        You are correct, a lot of the issue with integrating the functions involves corporate lockdown and security. These things are slow to change.

        You mention a few ways of working around some of the issues, and that's perfectly valid. But since the discussion is about complication it still adds complication in the sense that I would have to sit down, research and experiment to find ways of doing things that I can do by default without research using the current corporate standard.

        I can't use it for writing code because it lacks the hooks to the repository or the compilers. Not to mention that, even if I could, it would be crushingly underpowered, feature inferior throughput vs keyboard and mouse, inferior screen resolution, and be a neck-craning gorilla-arm-making ergonomic disaster. If I have to write more than a couple sentences at a time I ditch the iPad and head straight for the laptop/desktop.

        <i>And to use the "flowdown PC" is a spurious argument, IMO. If it's free, then you have a free iPad activation device, right?</i>

        Thing is, the person at the top of the flow would have to forsake an upgrade cycle (or half to a third of one anyway) to pick up the iPad. People at the top of the "flow" are usually power users who prefer being up to date so that's a tough decision. Unless they have enough money to buy both which is back to the original point.

        <i>Don't even get me started on the software costs difference between Win and iOS. The latter is typically less than a 10th of the price of any corporate Win app I have found...</i>

        Oh, certainly. Though, to be fair, the feature set is usually much smaller too. Which is great if that's all you need. In my experience there are simply no such things as "advanced features" in the iOS universe. It's either immediately obvious how to do something or it doesn't exist.

        For example I keep pining for some good Mandarin learning apps for the iPad because I think it would be great in that respect. But even though Al's First 100 Character flash cards is vastly cheaper than Rosetta Stone, the latter is still better value for my dollar. Part of that is because the cost expectations are so much lower.

        <i>-- [Mac + iPhone + iPad] vs
        -- [WinPC + WinMo + Dell Streak] vs
        -- [Chrome PC (?) + Droid phone + Droid tablet].

        In these competing product families, which is the most coherent at this time? </i>

        IF you can start from scratch on corporate infrastructure and IF all your mandatory apps and systems work, then I agree with your list. :)
        SlithyTove
      • RE: Dell spreads iPad FUD

        @mm71<br>"buddy a simple ebay Australia search would have given you the facts. Ipad 64 GB sells for around AUD 1250 + the accessories mentioned does take it to AU$1500 or so."<br><br>Mate, I've no idea which Internet you are using, but you are way off base. I've already written that the price of the top line iPad 2 is AUD$949.0 . . . and that is RRP. What's more, I live in Australia so, unlike you, I do have a clue.
        Wakemewhentrollsgone
    • RE: Dell spreads iPad FUD

      @Droid101 <i>Truth truth truth.

      Why so fast to defend Apple all the time? How much do they pay you for your "unbiased" blogging?</i>

      Blah blah blah. I hate Apple. Blah blah. I can't defend my points. Blah blah.
      WarhavenSC
      • :)

        @WarhavenSC
        :)
        use_what_works_4_U
      • RE: Dell spreads iPad FUD

        @WarhavenSC You forgot "Blah Blah Anyone who disagrees must be getting paid off." But, yeah, that pretty much sums it.
        Whyaylooh
      • RE: Dell spreads iPad FUD

        @huntermb & ryork272...

        Care to elaborate? I'm guessing you can't/won't.
        WarhavenSC
      • RE: Dell spreads iPad FUD

        @WarhavenSC <br><br>Blah blah blah. I hate anything not Apple. Blah blah. I can't defend my points. Blah blah
        huntermb@...
      • RE: Dell spreads iPad FUD

        @WarhavenSC What points. I don't see you making any.
        timspublic1@...
      • RE: Dell spreads iPad FUD

        @WarhavenSC
        Elaborate on what, your blind ignorance?
        ryork272