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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Do I really need 8GB of RAM?

By | December 2, 2011, 5:34am PST

Summary: Well, do I?

Here’s a question that I’ve been asked a lot lately in one form or another:

Do I really need 8GB of RAM?

Well, instinctively I’m going to say ‘YES,’ and say it very enthusiastically. After all, more RAM means you can do more with your PC. I’ve been running systems with 8GB+ of RAM since I first got my hands on a 64-bit copy of Windows Vista (I toyed with 64-bit versions of XP but had too many problems so I was forced to stick with the 32-bit flavor).

The difference between a machine with 4GB of RAM and an identical machine with 8GB of RAM is like the difference between night and day.

Note: Those with triple-channel motherboards have the option to go to 6GB or 12GB or RAM.

But do you really need 8GB of RAM? Well, maybe not …

See, the truth is, it depends. If you’re a hardcore gamer or you use a memory-intensive application like Adobe Photoshop or Premiere Pro, then you definitely need lots of RAM (I’m now starting to look at 12GB as the minimum for running Adobe applications, given that they are now 64-bit and can really chew through RAM). If you’re in the habit of having multiple applications from a suite like Microsoft Office open, then having lots of RAM is a huge advantage. If you’re the kind of person that has lots of applications running simultaneously, then 8GB of RAM might be for you.

Note: Even Mac users running these sorts of applications can benefit from 8GB of RAM!

If you don’t fall into any of the above categories, then I think it’s safe to say that you don’t really need 8GB of RAM and you’re probably fine with 4GB or even 2GB.

So, what do you need to be able to run 8GB of RAM?

64-bit operating systems aren’t hard to come by. It seems that over the past year or so, PC OEMs have embraced 64-bit Windows. A quick scan of the big names suggests that either PCs are shipping with a 64-bit version of Windows, or, for machines such as netbooks, a 64-bit version is available for no extra charge.

RAM is also cheap. You can pick up an extra 4GB of DDR3 1333 for for around $25, and I’ve seen two 4GB DDR3 1333 RAM modules go for under $40. RAM is without a doubt the best bang-for-the-buck upgrade you can carry out on a PC.

Unsure what RAM your PC takes? A trip over to Crucial or Kingston will set you on the right path.

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

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My Commodore 64
cpereyra@... 18th Apr
Had 64 kilobytes of RAM but of that only 32,764 were available.
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As mentioned there's no point in running 8GB if you're not even using 4GB. I usually use Task Manager to see what the memory usage is with everything running. It's become a bit more complex with the later versions of Windows as they steal memory in the anticipation of using it, but it is still possible to work through the numbers.
I don't know if there's any apps out there that will monitor memory usage. Any suggestions?
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@keebaud@...

"I don't know if there's any apps out there that will monitor memory usage."

Try Process Explorer by Sysinternals.
@CobraA1: ... of browsing, and you have a torrent client running, and you watch videos, then 4 GBs is nothing: the system crawls horribly -- totally agree with Adrian that this is what you call "night and day" difference.

8GB will dramatically improve life of any more than very basic computer user.
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@CobraA1

Even though AKH meant his comments directed for Windows users primarily, he did mention Mac systems in passing. On the Mac, the OS X built-in app, Activity Monitor, will display and track memory usage.
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@dderss I can browse, run a torrent client, and watch 720p videos just fine with 2GB. I don't think the fact that I'm running Linux makes the difference either. wink Now if I have a LOT of browser tabs open my system will need a few hundred megs of swap space, but other than that 2GB is perfectly usable. More will never hurt you, though, as modern OSes (>XP) use all free memory for system and HDD caches.
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RE: Do I really need 8GB of RAM?
WebSiteManager 2nd Dec
@keebaud@...
Exactly. Go to the Resource Monitor and see what is actually used. I have comfortably run PhotoShop, Outlook, Windows Explorer, Word, and several other apps concurrently on 1.5 GB of RAM. And I'm a power user. Most people wouldn't know what to do with the number of apps (at the same time) it would take to fill up a significant amount of RAM. So, if you have 2 GB, you're probably fine. If your computer "seems slow," let's check Resource Manager before we conclude more RAM will magically speed everything up. (You probably would be better off with a faster HD/SSD.)
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Cache
rhonin 2nd Dec
@WebSiteManager
Let it chew on that HDD cache......
Sorry, but I have a notebook gaming system and do a lot of interactive MSO stuff..... bumping my RAM to 8gb made a world of diff and seriously lightened the impact on my HDD......

better on an SSD too....
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@keebaud@...
I've been using 8GB on most systems for a while. My new ones all have 16GB because it's so cheap.The only place I know I can use it is my development box, where I run multiple Hyper V machines, but I put that much in my new home sandbox too (just because I could).
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RE: Do I really need 8GB of RAM?
studentrights 2nd Dec
@keebaud@... Depends. If you have a computer with a SSD drive like the MacBook Air, no, you don't really need 8GB RAM.

When you run out of RAM your computer caches to the hard drive. With a conventional hard drive your computer will slow to a crawl, with an SSD drive you'll barely notice the difference.

Unless your doing profession video and/or 3D work 4GB with an SDD is great. without an SSD I recommend 8-12 GB.

Photoshop runs faster on a computer with an SSD drive and 4GB ram, than a computer with a conventional HD and 16GB ram.

The charts to prove it...

http://eshop.macsales.com/Reviews/Framework.cfm?page=/Benchmarks/CS5BenchmarkPage-MacBookPro13.html
@studentrights ... These charts say that adding an SSD will increase your fps in Halo by up to 23 fps. Since when does your SSD effect fps. Loading times agreed, but 23 fps.

These charts are completely bloated and unrealistic.
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My Powerbook 100 came with a 20 Megabyte Hard Drive!
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RE: Do I really need 8GB of RAM?
SaxonXXX Updated - 2nd Dec
@dsf3g
My ZX81 came with 1Kb of ram and that was also use by the video chip.
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My Commodore 64
cpereyra@... 18th Apr
Had 64 kilobytes of RAM but of that only 32,764 were available.
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My vic20 had a cassette for storage, 5kb RAM (only 3.5ish useable).

Loved the Sinclair as well, but they fell short when compared to the commodore powerhouses:-)
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RE: Do I really need 8GB of RAM?
kenosha77a Updated - 2nd Dec
@Richard Flude

You are old, my friend. I also used and still have a Timex Sinclair and a Tandy 102 proudly displayed in my collection. My Tandy system had all the accessories. It has both the cassette tape drive (and tapes) plus an external 3.5" floppy drive (although the floppy drive capacity was only 101 K bytes at that time.) The Thermal paper printer, alas, is no longer part of the collection. It was stolen a very long time ago. In fact, I doubt if I could get any thermal paper that would work with it now.

BTW, your post intrigued me so much, I dug out the original Tandy cloth carrying bag where I stored all my accessories and found a surprise. I seem to be the proud owner of a Realistic Solar Powered Electret Condenser Microphone that "never needs batteries". I don't think I ever used it! It's packed still in the original little Radio Shack shipping box. Apparently, this mic retailed for $29.95 back in the 1980's. (I forgot when I purchased it.)

Ah, memory lane. I guess I've been a gadget collector for a long time.
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RE: Do I really need 8GB of RAM?
SaxonXXX Updated - 2nd Dec
@Richard Flude
I see your Vic20 and quantam leap it, with my Sinclair QL, a Motorola 68008 16 bit @7.5 MHz and 128Kb of RAM and two micro drives. Now that was a power house. happy
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Also VMs.

If you use them, you need all the RAM you can get. In this case 8GB isn't a luxury, it's a minimum.
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You're kidding, right?
Joe_Raby 2nd Dec
@CarlitosLx

Hyper-V's dynamic memory support will allow a Windows 7 VM to boot with about 384MB of RAM (even when the maximum is much higher). If you're using even just Windows 7 with XP mode for a legacy application or two, 1GB is all you need for a single VM, and it isn't enough to impact a 4GB system. Hell, I once ran 3 Hyper-V guests (2 with dynamic memory, the 3rd with XP and 512MB allocated to it) on a 4GB host with Windows Server 2008 R2 in GUI mode.

Now, if you're talking about running production-level VDI, then the minimum that Microsoft recommends for a Private Cloud server is actually 16GB.

I don't honestly see a reason for an average home desktop to have 8GB of RAM though. For the everyday uses (web surfing, email, casual games, Facebook, listening to music or watching YouTube, etc.), you can do that on a low-end dual core with 2GB and half-decent video. Even AMD's newer Sempron single-core CPU's can handle that when you pair them up with an 800-chipset with Radeon graphics - much better than an equivalently priced Atom can anyway.
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@Joe_Raby Well, except that a lot of people aren't average =).
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@Joe_Raby
I get your point, but average home users don't really need VMs, now do they? happy
But suppose you need to have, say, SharePoint 2010 on a VM to make demos to prospective customers? Or say that you prefer to install Visual Studio 2010 on a VM so as not to mess up the "host" OS (that may or may not be Windows, actually).

Or as CobraA1 said, not everyone is average happy
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RE: Do I really need 8GB of RAM?
Peter Perry 2nd Dec
Some can take 16 Gigs and the new Opterons can Address way more than that!
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@Peter Perry

I once heard a bit of advice a long, long time ago regarding installed RAM memory. (It's been so long ago that I'm not even sure that the following is still relevant.)

However, it was suggested that a computer user install enough memory modules on the motherboard to fully populate all the RAM module slots for maximum system performance. I've followed that bit of advice since DOS days.

On my iMac system, I installed the max RAM allowed. (I didn't use Apple supplied RAM modules because of monetary considerations - not all Apple users have unlimited budgets. Grin.)

When I access "Activity Monitor", I normally view my "Free Memory" amount around 12 to 13 GB, depending on how many applications I have open.

Which mean, my system normally uses between 3 to 4 GB of RAM to run. (With a primary SSD boot drive -- my system runs VERY fast.)

The moral of the story is the standard refrain, the more RAM the better. But 8 GB is probably today's sweet spot. For me, I perform a lot of video editing and it's nice to have FCPx and Photoshop open at the same time and not worrying about memory issues.
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I run a couple of virtual machines which chew in to memory pretty significantly- I give Win7 3 gigs and a couple of Debian machines 512megs, which leaves the remainder for my desktop.
Every now and then I will get in to swap- a huge slowdown.
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8GB is nothing... How about 16GB, 32GB, etc.
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RE: Do I really need 8GB of RAM?
Loverock Davidson- 2nd Dec
Yes you do.
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yes
davebarnes 2nd Dec
I have 8GB and am getting ready to up it to 16 as soon as MacSales.com drops their price a bit.
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My current motherboard is loaded with 16GB of DDR3 1333 MHz RAM and can go up to 32GB at 2000 MHz. It's nice...especially when Firefox decides it wants to leak memory like hell. I've opened up task manager and seen it sucking down 2 gigs of memory before.
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@Aerowind Jump ship and use Chrome. I did and the only thing I regret is putting up with FF for so long.
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RE: Do I really need 8GB of RAM?
Michael Alan Goff 2nd Dec
@RiskyRob

Chrome uses more RAM than Firefox.
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I am looking forward to it so I can run more virtual machines, especially 64 bit Windows.
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More RAM usually equals a faster system, even if you are not using all of it: Why? Dual channel memory and tri-channel memory, to be blunt.

Personally, I would not buy a computer without 8GB's of memory at least.... better 12, like I have seen some laptops that are desktop-replacements offering.
@Lerianis10: Dual channel memory and tri-channel memory, to be blunt.

Benchmarks show the benefit of configuring memory in this way. But it usually doesn't translate into any noticeable real world benefit.
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No
timiteh 2nd Dec
I need at least 32 GB >:-)
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More RAM is never a bad thing.
ye Updated - 2nd Dec
However you seem to be thinking in terms non-demand paged memory where an entire program is loaded into memory at once. That's not the case with modern operating systems where only the working set needs to be loaded into memory. The data set is really the deciding factor. I could get away with 2GB just fine because my data sets aren't that large (i.e. I don't work with video / photos / etc) despite the fact I have several programs open at once.

With that said all my systems have 8GB (except for my PowerMac which has 2GB) because memory is so inexpensive.
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Why don't you write a (digital) book about hardware--and update it annually. I'll bet Ed Bott's publisher would jump through hoops for you.
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The 'expert' still guessing
johnfenjackson@... 2nd Dec
I called AKH out on this issue in his feeble post which attempted to design a powerful Photoshop PC. His advice is useless.

Instead of guessing how much memory you need ... open up a 100 mega pixel image in Photoshop and use Photoshop's inbuilt 'scratch sizes' to see how much resource this operation requires. I've just opened up a 130mpx and then a 160mpx image and the answer is ... 1.4GB.

Better still head over to ADOBE and read some information written by experts e.g.
http://blogs.adobe.com/crawlspace/2011/05/how-to-tune-photoshop-cs5-for-peak-performance.html
or http://macperformanceguide.com/
which - although written for MAC's - has some decent measurement, configuration and application-specific advice (e.g. saving as TIFF's is five times faster than JPG's).

Stop with the guesswork, already!
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@johnfenjackson@...
So if you open two photos and copy paste how much you need?
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RE: Do I really need 8GB of RAM?
jefferson@... 2nd Dec
Another option is just to boot from an SSD. If you have a second SSD put your swap file on there. Modern SSD's support TRIM and all that other goodness, along with 6 GB/Sec. My boot times and load times have decreased dramatically. Everything is fast and I don't see any sluggishness at all. Double click Outlook and in three seconds it's all there. Boot Windows in 15 seconds.

Great stuff.
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I'm running with 16gb of ram for a while now and it works pretty well ... I might switch over to 24gb ram for my next rig though..
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RE: Do I really need 8GB of RAM?
kirovs@... Updated - 2nd Dec
My Mythbuntu, running filesever (samba and nfs), prrintserver, with ~15-20 tabs in Firefox, Thunderbird, several monitoring tools and several OpenOffice documents runs bellow 3GB. I need more than that only when Flash goes crazy (much better in past 3-4 months) or when I need to edit videos/images, run sequence analysis (Smith Waterman, NGS) or Virtualbox.
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Laptop 2 core Intel Win7 4 gig. Desktop six processor AMD Win7 8 gig . I run the BOINC cure for various stuff in the background on the desktop. Thing runs great.
Both are fast and are ready as soon as boot is done.
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I have 6 GB of RAM and one free DIMM slot. However, the system builder basically told me that I'd be foolish to jump to 8 GB. My next stop is either 9 GB or 12 GB, but that would basically require me to replace all of my DIMMs. So 6 GB it is.
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RE: Do I really need 8GB of RAM?
babyboomer57 2nd Dec
@Zogg My Toshiba i7 laptop came with 6 gig. I bumped it up to 8 gig to help with photo editing, which it did, but the most obvious improvement was the 10 seconds off the cold boot time, and a full 1 point improvement in my Windows Experience Index.

Guess it depends on who you talk to, and what they do with their machines.
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Title is misleading
thx-1138_@... Updated - 2nd Dec
... to be accurate it should've been "Do you need 8GB's of RAM for your day to day computing tasks?" With the first sentence then asking "Well it depends on what your day to day tasks are."

... instead of a couple of paragraphs later.

wink
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RE: Do I really need 8GB of RAM?
JustCallMeBC 2nd Dec
If you are running bloated programs on a likewise bloated OS, then yes.
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RE: Do I really need 8GB of RAM?
jeremychappell 3rd Dec
Technically you're wrong on your requirements. You don't NEED a 64bit OS. Mac users running 32Bit versions of Mac OS X (for example) can run more than 4Gb of RAM. In face Windows doesn't even get to 4Gb of RAM in 32bit (it get to 4Gb memory in TOTAL - so you might top out with LESS than 4Gb).

This limitation is totally artificial.

For 32bit versions of Mac OS X the largest contiguous memory block size is 4Gb, so a system can make use of more than 4Gb of RAM without going to 64bit mode.

I don't know why Microsoft imposed this limitation on Windows - anyone?
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How RAM works?
Oxwax 5th Dec
When you launch an application, the executable portion is loaded into the RAM. The size of this file can be viewed in you Task Manger> Performance. The data is then moved between the CPU, RAM, and HDD. Most of the info is written into 8k sectors on the HDD, not 4k like most believe. The computer will constantly move info to and from the HDD. This usually has to do with program design and not disk caching. Once the computer is finished using the app, it will be flushed from the RAM.

So why am I telling you all this? To clarify what should have been in the article.
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Here's why!!
Oxwax 5th Dec
The only reason someone would need large amounts of RAM is to process, compress, or render EXTREMELY LARGE files. This narrows the field down to engineers, IT pros, graphic artist, and gamers. The rest of the population will usually never use more than 4GB.

RAM usage by program:
Premiere ~320MB
Photoshop ~160MB
iTunes ~110MB
Avira ~20MB

Running Win 7x64 with antivirus only requires ~1.3GB. Even with those intensive apps your still not hitting 4GB. But, start to convert large files, and you'll see your RAM needs increase. Still, the only people doing this are professionals.
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8GB RAM for Desktops, Laptops, Notebooks
StevenDDeacon Updated - 7th Dec
PC users of Intel Core i3 Processors can usually get by with 4GB RAM and no graphics card and typically use only email, browsers, social media, videos, pictures, graphics, maybe Office applications, and some gaming. Intel Core i5 Processor PC users usually need 6GB RAM with a graphics card to manage more intensive imaging, photo, and HD video and graphic applications; and perhaps some SVG Graphics and Web IDE development tools; and HD video gaming. Intel Core i7 Processor PC users usually need 8GB RAM with turbo graphics using GPU's and beefy graphic cards to support heavy imaging and graphics applications; Web SVG graphics and IDE application development tools with lots of plug-ins; and heavy HD gaming. With the development of 3D graphics monitors, displays, TVs, video, gaming, and the use of business analytic and intelligence applications, even more powerful Processor, RAM, GPU's and terabyte disk drives will be required. I can honestly see a need for disk mirroring redundancy and heavy use of cloud based services escalating. Of course laptop and notebook battery life is going to take a beating. Smart phones and devices for personal, business and gaming with 3D graphics are going to seriously impact battery life as well.
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"The difference between a machine with 4GB of RAM and an identical machine with 8GB of RAM is like the difference between night and day."

That's interesting, because my 4gb machine would happily tab between instances of Crysis II, Witcher II, AOEIII, Firefox, office suite and media player without batting an eyelid. So how exactly is an extra 4gb going to give me a "night and day" experience by comparison? it isn't.

4gb is absolutely fine for anything but intensive media encoding, parallel virtualisation instances and as you mentioned, adobe products. As far as games are concerned, most of them DON'T use as much ram as they can get, even forcing enthusiasts to manually adjust the config so that they do (re. Skyrim for example, capped at 2gb for god knows what reason).

There is no point buying 8gb of ram over 4gb if you do not use it. Hell the 3gb on my laptop is completely adequate for multi-tasking even with 2 virtual machines running. The blanket advice "more ram = faster machine" is outdated in the current generation of machines. You would notice a much larger improvement upgrading your system disk to an SSD as the bigger performance bottleneck.
But if your ego demands you have a bigger epeen than others and simply must have that omgwtf32gbram, so be it. Personally my passion Is getting the most for the minimum price and therefore will increase my RAM only as and when it becomes apparent I need it, which probably is not soon.

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