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How much RAM do I need?

By | January 2, 2012, 11:13am PST

Summary: Here’s my definitive answer to that question!

This question has been popping up in my inbox with increasing regularity over the past few weeks and composing individual responses is eating into my gaming time (damn those Steam sales!). So I can free up some more time for Skyrim and Deus Ex: Human Revolution (yeah, I know, I’m late getting to that game), here’s my definitive answer to the question ‘How much RAM do I need?

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Note: These figures apply to Windows, Mac and in most cases Linux.

1GB

Consider 1GB the base minimum. 1GB of RAM is enough for basic operations like web browsing (don’t expect to run a browser with dozens of tabs open though) and email, and some word processing and light image editing.

Gaming with this much RAM is going to be painful, and ripping media will pretty much take over the entire system, and forget about any video editing.

I’m not making a strong case for 1GB of RAM simply because I don’t like being limited to 1GB of RAM.

2GB

I now consider 2GB to be the minimum for a modern operating system (read that carefully). You might get away with less, but chances are that it’s going to make you shout a lot fo bad words at your system.

With 2GB you should be able to do pretty much everything with your PC that a PC can do - gaming, image and video editing, running suites like Microsoft Office, and having a dozen or so browser tabs open all become possible. 2GB is also enough to run a hardcore suite of apps like the Adobe Master Collection CS5.5 (so says Adobe … but if you’ve got $2,500 to put down for the software, you should be able to afford more RAM!).

Bottom line - If you’ve got a system with 2GB of RAM and it feels slow, add more RAM!

4GB

We’re now getting into serious territory. If you’re running a 32-bit operating system then with 4GB of RAM installed you’ll only be able to access around 3.2GB (this is because of memory addressing limitations). However, with a 64-bit operating system then you’ll have full access to the whole 4GB.

The difference in performance between a system with 2GB of RAM and one with 4GB is like night and day. Even on a 32-bit system that limits the RAM to a little over 3GB, the performance boost is well worth the cost. Not only do application run faster, you can run more applications simultaneously (handy if you run suites like Microsoft Office or Adobe Master Collection).

I recommend 4GB of RAM for all but the most basic of systems.

8GB

Note: You will need a 64-bit operating system to make use of this much RAM.

Now we’re into hardcore/performance territory. If you’re building a gaming PC, I recommend 8GB of RAM. If you’re building a machine dedicated to photo of video editing, I recommend 8GB of RAM. If you want a fast PC, I recommend 8GB of RAM.

8GB of RAM is not expensive either. Sure, get the OEM to fit it into a new system and you’re likely paying a premium (especially if that OEM is Apple), but you can buy 8GB of RAM aftermarket for under $50 (faster the RAM, the more expensive it is, but at the time of writing 2GB of branded DDR3 1333 RAM can be found for about $12).

12GB/16GB+

Note: You will need a 64-bit operating system to make use of this much RAM.

Is there a case for more than 8GB of RAM? Sure there is, but the bang for the buck trails off. Gaming systems don’t really benefit from more than 8GB of RAM (I’ve rarely seen Skyrim consume more than 1GB of RAM, even with the 4GB ‘large address aware’ patch, although my game is largely unmodded).

Note: Be wary of OEMs upselling 12 or 16GB of RAM for gaming systems. Not only is it usually unnecessary but it’s very, very expensive. For example, Dell will charge you a whopping $340 on top of the base price to upgrade a Dell XPS 8300 from 8GB to 16GB of RAM, when 16GB of compatible RAM from Crucial is just over $90!

The time when more than 8GB of RAM becomes useful and starts paying for itself is when you’re running a number of resource-heavy applications simultaneously. Try running Premiere Pro, Photoshop and After Effects side-by-side on a system with 8GB of RAM and then bump that up to 16GB and feel the difference!

More than 16GB … if you need this sort of RAM horsepower in a desktop, you’re doing some heavy lifting!

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

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RE: How much RAM do I need?
ddferrari 1st Feb
@bradavon Sounds like a PICNIC issue.

Win7 x64 would never come on a rig that couldn't handle 4GB of ram, so it is safe to assume that you installed it on an old machine without doing your homework. Not the pc's fault!

As for your laptop, you have Vista x86 which is a 32 bit operating system; 32 bit systems can't utilize 4GB of ram, regardless of the computer's specs. A BIOS upgrade wouldn't do a thing.

Familiarize yourself with Google and watch your annoyance disappear.
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RE: How much RAM do I need?
Loverock Davidson- 2nd Jan
Size doesn't matter!
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RE: How much RAM do I need?
jeremychappell 2nd Jan
@Loverock Davidson- You keep telling yourself that...
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RE: How much RAM do I need?
Return_of_the_jedi 2nd Jan
@jeremychappell

That's the reason he has to love a rock.
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Is he the real deal?
klumper 2nd Jan
@jeremychappell | Return_of_the_jedi

Are you even sure he's the real deal, with that tiny hyphen- attached to his nick? Inquiring minds would love to know.
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RE: How much RAM do I need?
bradavon 23rd Jan
1Gb with Vista or Windows 7 just about works. I'd call it just "below" minimum. It will work but you'll get angry with the PC. Incidentally try running Vista with 512Mb, my god it's painful, very painful.

2Gb and both run perfectly well for 90% of users. 2Gb is the sweet spot for the majority of Windows users, that is those who only web browse, word process and e-mail. The usual stuff.

I run Win7 x64 and went from 2Gb to 4Gb but due to a BIOS limitation Win7 can only see 3Gb. Let me tell you, it doesn't run any different what-so-ever. So it's certainly not always night and day going from 2Gb to 3Gb.

The laptop came with 2Gb (but is capable of up to 4Gb, it was clearly stated on Toshiba's website) and Vista x86 because of these two reasons Toshiba refuse to release a BIOS upgrade, despite there being absolutely no way to use the extra 1Gb the BIOS states it can see (i.e - it says there is 4Gb) but cannot utilise. It's most annoying. That and the build quality have put me right off Toshiba's.
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RE: How much RAM do I need?
ddferrari 1st Feb
@bradavon Sounds like a PICNIC issue.

Win7 x64 would never come on a rig that couldn't handle 4GB of ram, so it is safe to assume that you installed it on an old machine without doing your homework. Not the pc's fault!

As for your laptop, you have Vista x86 which is a 32 bit operating system; 32 bit systems can't utilize 4GB of ram, regardless of the computer's specs. A BIOS upgrade wouldn't do a thing.

Familiarize yourself with Google and watch your annoyance disappear.
Most people on this board I would guess are comfortable with opening up their computers and adding RAM, but many people will never open the case at all. For those people, getting more RAM upfront can give your system more longevity for apps down the road that may require more horsepower 2 years from now.

As for pricing, I just bought a new iMac from Macmall and they upgraded my quad core i5 with 4 Gb of DDR3 ram to a quad core i7 with 12 gb for only $120 more. (still hundreds less than MSRP.) Not sure I will tap into that much RAM in my home system any time soon, but who knows 2 or 3 years from now. (kept my last computer 7 years.) And for only $120 I figured it was a great deal. The processor upgrade alone is $200 on Apple's website.
@Tigertank
Going from 4GB to 8GB costs $200 from the Apple store so I'd be extremely nervous that Macmall did not use Apple approved RAM in your iMac. You have to know that not all components are built the same and that Apple's components are far better than what you find in PCs. You must have gotten PC quality RAM in your iMac. Stick to Apple approved RAM next time. Your Mac will last longer and run faster. Sure it costs more but come on Tigertank, you get what you paid for. Since you paid so little for your upgrade, you got very little for it too: junk RAM that will give you a lot of errors.
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@toddybottom

nt
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good one NZ
Tigertank 2nd Jan
@toddybottom

nt
I guess the argument that "you get what you pay for" and "Apple components are higher quality than garbage PC components" is only made when it benefits you yet you won't hesitate to cheap out and buy garbage PC components without acknowledging your hypocrisy.

Will you admit that buying PC quality RAM lowers the prestige, reliability, and speed of your iMac?
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RE: How much RAM do I need?
Tigertank 2nd Jan
@NonZealot
Up to your old tricks again eh, NZ? I swear if it weren't for strawmen you wouldn't have any friends at all.
Happy New Year happy
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I'll take that as a no
toddybottom Updated - 2nd Jan
I sure hope for your sake that your iMac doesn't explode now that it has junk PC parts in it. Is the danger you've placed your children in really worth the $200 you saved?
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RE: How much RAM do I need?
bradavon Updated - 23rd Jan
@toddybottom: Er. PC RAM is MAC RAM and MAC RAM is PC RAM. PCs are just as capable of running high quality memory to low quality memory. I see you too have fallen for the (very effective) Apple marketing. "Apple approved RAM" ha ha. That translates to, we use high quality memory, the stuff that works just as well in PCs too.

At least with PCs you're free to research what high quality memory translates to, buy it yourself (really shop around) and fit it yourself. None of this sealed iMac/Macbook nonsense.
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RE: How much RAM do I need?
Viper589 2nd Jan
I Have 16GB of triple channel ram in my pc
@Knix96
"The architecture can only be used when all three, or a multiple of three, memory modules are identical in capacity and speed, and are placed in three-channel slots."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-channel_memory_architecture

So 16GB of triple channel RAM can only function in dual channel mode...
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Apple Optimal
nomacs 4th Jan
@Zogg
Obviously he is using the latest 5.333 Gb modules which are not compatible with the IMac.
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Always get as much as you can afford
klumper Updated - 3rd Jan
That rule hasn't changed from day one, particularly when it comes to power users.

At the same time one ought to be prudent enough to make use of thumbnail guides like the one presented here, and be wary of costly "upgrade" offers from less than forthright dealers (which includes most of the big name makers). That's where they make some of their best killings bread.
if you follow the link in the article above to the dell site (Dell will charge you a whopping $340 ), Dell talks about the 8Gb of memory included in the standard config, or allows you to upgrade to 12Gb "dual channel" memory. That implies that the 8GB is only "single channel" vs the upgrade to 12Gb is "dual channel"? If the dual channel operation is based on matched memory, won't the 8Gb memory function as dual channel also? Is Dell just phrasing it that way to encourage you to purchase the upgrade?
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@kliss
Is Dell just phrasing it that way to encourage you to purchase the upgrade?

That's no oversight, that's meant to lure you in.
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A bit more on DC
klumper Updated - 3rd Jan
@kliss

8GB of DDR3 is generally configured to multichannel boards, and 4 DIMMs (as advertised) pretty much assures you'll be getting a dual channel setup (note: triple-channel can also be found on newer boards). But short of certain synthetic benchmarks, single vs dual vs triple bandwidth differences do not always translate into appreciable performance gains, especially as it relates to many common consumer applications.

Word to the wise though: Don't buy your memory from makers like Dell. Their RAM markups are out of this world. Look to places like Newegg or Amazon or Frys (read: DIY), or head to the nearest independent PC shop and ask them to perform that task. You'll almost always get a (much) better bang for your buck.

Just make sure to purchase identical sticks (paired sets), and deploy the modules in similar colored slots (DIMM sockets) on the mainboard to activate the dual channel configuration. Beyond that things get more complicated (per special mappings).
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Not just type, but number
spdragoo@... 23rd Jan
@kliss

Most OEMs (like Dell) only put one RAM stick into their PC. So, most likely, the 8GB model has a single 8GB stick, while the 12GB model has dual 6GB sticks (6x2=12).
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Because it will be more than enough for everything that Linux can do.
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RE: How much RAM do I need?
Pete "athynz" Athens 3rd Jan
@cym104 Right - no gaming, no photoshop... no need for more than 1GB ram for web surfing and checking email.
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RE: How much RAM do I need?
nikacat 2nd Jan
Your article is good. It gives us some definite guidelines. However, this hardly makes your work "definitive." Go back to school.
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RE: How much RAM do I need?
wright_is 2nd Jan
I wouldn't touch a machine with less than 4GB today. I have 8GB on my 18 month old laptop.

My iMac has 2GB and it is a complete dog, it spends 90% of its time swapping to disk under Lion, with only E-Mail, DVD Player and Firefox open. If I plug in my iPhone, the machine thrashes away for 5 minutes, before iTunes and Apeture have started.

With only DVD Player and Firefox running, the DVD player grinds to a halt (2 - 3 frames per minute, around 4 seconds of audio per minute), if a website has a flash animation!
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Bad words?
johnfenjackson@... 3rd Jan
"[1GB RAM] ... it???s going to make you shout a lot fo bad words at your system."
I can only think of one 'fo bad word' using an m and an o wink

These guidelines are reasonable ... but power uses don't guess like AKH ... they analyse their requirements, measure their resource usage, consult the manufactureres' guidelines and enthusiast sites for the applications they are using, and test their systems in case the 'experts' have made a mistake.

'Always buy as much as you can afford' is an even worse guess than AKH's rules of thumb. Presumably the late Steve Jobs had 32PB of RAM in his box?
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Maybe not that much
klumper Updated - 3rd Jan
@johnfenjackson@...
Presumably the late Steve Jobs had 32PB of RAM in his box?

But I bet he had more than you, and got more done because of it. wink
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RAM Drive
Deerhaven111 3rd Jan
I run a very read/write intensive program for my job and have loaded up my XP machine w 8G of ram. Windows XP only sees ~3.5G and I configure the balance as a RAM-Drive. Large data files are loaded onto the RAM-Drive and the performance improvement is huge - run times of 1 hour on a 3Gps hard drive cut to 5 min! I'll be moving to a Win7 machine soon and will load it up w 16G.
you just CAN"T have too much.
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Buy what you can afford
Mr Dick 3rd Jan
For personal use I buy what I can afford if there are replacement RAM. At work I let the company spend what they want. I have been using a MAC since 1984 and have never had any problems using cheaper RAM. Sometimes the cheaper RAM allows me to purchase twice to three times the quantity. On one of my MACs I can't use anything but Apple RAM.
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RE: How much RAM do I need?
Raju Das Updated - 3rd Jan
I have 3GB RAM, so I could not vote. sad

BTW, you not only need a 64 bit OS to use higher RAM, you also need to check the maximum capacity of your motherboard. Not all motherboards support higher RAM, different boards support different amounts, from 4 GB on low end boards to 16 or more GB on high end ones.
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As of this writing...
Zorched 3rd Jan
I honestly can't see a user needing more than 8GB. I have 6GB in both my gaming notebook and my gaming PC and I have never, NEVER maxed out the RAM usage. In fact, even with Skyrim and other graphically intensive games, I haven't seen my system memory usage go over 5GB of RAM.

Some of this may understandably be the fact that I have 1GB video cards, so they don't need any of the system RAM for Video.
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Spend as much as possible getting a multi-core processor, running as fast as possible.
Then, depending on the OS, you need between 2Gb and 8GB per virtual machine, PLUS 2GB for the host (assuming standard desktop setup) . So 8GB lets you run 2 virtuals at once, but 16GB is better (more RAM per machine, or more machines).
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RAM drives for 32 bit
DOSlover 3rd Jan
I am one of those horrible people still hanging on to Windows XP and am running 8 GB of RAM. The 'excess' RAM is being used as a RAM drive, which for certain audio and video rendering functions adds some definite speeds and definitely cuts out drive thrashing. The software to create a RAM drive is free, easy to use and once installed and configured, easily forgotten. My system is getting on for 5 years old but still works well and is not too far behind more recent architecture. Ivy bridge might change all that!
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RAM drives for 32 bit
DOSlover 3rd Jan
I am one of those horrible people still hanging on to Windows XP and am running 8 GB of RAM. The 'excess' RAM is being used as a RAM drive, which for certain audio and video rendering functions adds some definite speeds and definitely cuts out drive thrashing. The software to create a RAM drive is free, easy to use and once installed and configured, easily forgotten. My system is getting on for 5 years old but still works well and is not too far behind more recent architecture. Ivy bridge might change all that!
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RE: How much RAM do I need?
bradavon 23rd Jan
1Gb with Vista or Windows 7 just about works. I'd call it just "below" minimum. It will work but you'll get angry with the PC. Incidentally try running Vista with 512Mb, my god it's painful, very painful.

2Gb and both run perfectly well for 90% of users. 2Gb is the sweet spot for the majority of Windows users, that is those who only web browse, word process and e-mail. The usual stuff.

I run Win7 x64 and went from 2Gb to 4Gb but due to a BIOS limitation Win7 can only see 3Gb. Let me tell the difference my system doesn't run any different what-so-ever. So it's certainly not always night and day.

The laptop came with 2Gb (but is capable of up to 4Gb) and Vista x86 because of these two reasons Toshiba refuse to release a BIOS upgrade, despite there being absolutely no way to use the extra 1Gb the BIOS states it can see (i.e - it says there is 4Gb) but cannot utilise.

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